[Guide] Samsung Galaxy Tab S5e Debloat Without Root-Info - Samsung Galaxy Tab S5e Guides, News, & Discussion

[Guide] Samsung Galaxy Tab S5e Debloat Without Root-Info - Samsung Galaxy Tab S5e Guides, News, & Discussion

ADDED 1 AUG 2019: THIS WAS WRITTEN FOR THE WIFI-ONLY T720, *NOT* THE LTE-ENABLED T725. OBVIOUSLY BE AWARE OF ALL THE PHONE RELATED PACKAGES
For those with the S5e wanting to debloat your tablet without rooting I have some, hopefully, useful info.
See this post by @Catmobile for an excellent explanation of why devs have trouble keeping Samsung package disabler apps on Play Store. https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80048718&postcount=42
I used the app Package Disabler Pro+ (Samsung) by policedeveloper available on Play Store here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.elmklmsamsung.batteryaddon No longer available, and does not even work on my device anymore.
UPDATE 16 JUL 19: Above app is reportedly once again available on Play Store. HOWEVER, those who recently purchased it have to do so AGAIN! Please consider this if you decide to purchase.
For those with better skills and a computer, using adb's 'pm uninstall -k --user 0 <package name>' is an option, too. You can use the 'disable lists' to facilitate this.
Find here an example by @Catmobile of how to use ADB shell https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80054354&postcount=44
IMPORTANT: You won't really know the true effects of your disabling til you restart the tablet! On the other hand, it seems that undisabling (re-enabling?) takes effect immediately.
I did a web search and found an .xml file that had packages disabled on a Galaxy S10 or S8. Unfortunately I don't remember from where I got the file but this and other files are available in my shared pCloud folder https://bit.ly/2VXRoLt
Updated link 26aug21 http://u.pc.cd/5pqctalK
You'll find below files, among others, there:
disabledpackages-Package Disabler Pro+ DEFAULT ALL BLOATWARE-46ofthem.xml
>>The default packages using 'Disable all Bloatware' option in Package Disabler Pro+
disabledpackages-S8orS10-125ofthem.xml
>>The file I found. When I used this the tablet UI slowed to a crawl. From my previous experimentation I suspected that disabling the phone apps was the culprit. I was right, and am currently using my tablet without any discernable issues using the xml file below. Obviously, examine the file before using it to see if it fits your needs. For instance, I don't use Bixby, so I disabled it.
[EDIT] File deleted.
disabledpackages-WORKINGFINE-SOMEphoneStuffReEnabled-119ofthem.xml
>>The file I exported from Package Disabler Pro+ after reenabling some packages.
[EDIT] Replaced by disabledpackages133-OK.xml
Below are the packages I reenabled in order to get the tab back to 'normal'. I'll continue with experimentation to see which one(s) are causing the slow-down, and report back here.
Code:
00001 <importExportSetting>
00002 <disabledPackages class="java.util.ArrayList">
00003 <string>com.android.carrierconfig</string>
00004 <string>com.android.carrierdefaultapp</string>
00005 <string>com.android.cts.priv.ctsshim</string>
00006 <string>com.android.phone</string>
00007 <string>com.android.providers.telephony</string>
00008 <string>com.samsung.android.dialer</string>
00009 <string>com.samsung.android.providers.contacts</string>
00010 <string>com.sec.phone</string>
00011 </disabledPackages>
00012 </importExportSetting>

Few More Packages Disabled
Here are some more. Haven't really messed with the phone stuff yet, but this addition brings total disabled packages to 126.
Code:
+00024 <string>com.qualcomm.qti.qms.service.connectionsecurity</string>
+00025 <string>com.sec.android.easyMover.Agent</string>
+00076 <string>com.android.chrome</string>
+00101 <string>com.sec.android.soagent</string>
+00120 <string>com.samsung.android.app.camera.sticker.stamp.preload</string>
+00123 <string>com.samsung.systemui.hidenotch</string>

Figured Out What Caused Slow UI
With further testing I figured out that com.android.providers.telephony DIALER STORAGEis what was causing slowness. Who'd a thunk it?
This is probably my last post in this thread, and present below what I currently have disabled while maintaining, for me, full functionality. In my case 'full funtionality' means no Bixby, Knox, Phone stuff, Telemetry (as far as I can using this method), most Samsung bloat as well as a few other things. I'll continue experimenting, though.
My choices might not meet everyone's needs, but they work for me. Use the code below as a starting point, and, Happy Deloating!
Code:
<importExportSetting>
<disabledPackages class="java.util.ArrayList">
<string>android.autoinstalls.config.samsung</string>
<string>com.android.bookmarkprovider</string>
<string>com.android.calllogbackup</string>
<string>com.android.carrierconfig</string>
<string>com.android.carrierdefaultapp</string>
<string>com.android.chrome</string>
<string>com.android.cts.ctsshim</string>
<string>com.android.cts.priv.ctsshim</string>
<string>com.android.dreams.basic</string>
<string>com.android.dreams.phototable</string>
<string>com.android.hotwordenrollment.okgoogle</string>
<string>com.android.hotwordenrollment.xgoogle</string>
<string>com.android.managedprovisioning</string>
<string>com.android.phone</string>
<string>com.android.printspooler</string>
<string>com.android.providers.partnerbookmarks</string>
<string>com.android.server.telecom</string>
<string>com.android.sharedstoragebackup</string>
<string>com.android.simappdialog</string>
<string>com.android.stk</string>
<string>com.android.wallpaper.livepicker</string>
<string>com.android.wallpapercropper</string>
<string>com.audible.application</string>
<string>com.dsi.ant.plugins.antplus</string>
<string>com.dsi.ant.sample.acquirechannels</string>
<string>com.dsi.ant.server</string>
<string>com.dsi.ant.service.socket</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.maps</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.turbo</string>
<string>com.google.android.gm</string>
<string>com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox</string>
<string>com.google.android.setupwizard</string>
<string>com.google.android.syncadapters.calendar</string>
<string>com.google.android.syncadapters.contacts</string>
<string>com.google.android.tts</string>
<string>com.google.android.youtube</string>
<string>com.knox.vpn.proxyhandler</string>
<string>com.microsoft.skydrive</string>
<string>com.monotype.android.font.foundation</string>
<string>com.osp.app.signin</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.qms.service.connectionsecurity</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.qms.service.telemetry</string>
<string>com.samsung.aasaservice</string>
<string>com.samsung.advp.imssettings</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.aircommandmanager</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.allshare.service.fileshare</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.allshare.service.mediashare</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.app.camera.sticker.facear.preload</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.app.camera.sticker.stamp.preload</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.app.galaxyfinder</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.app.reminder</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.app.settings.bixby</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.app.social</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.app.spage</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.app.watchmanagerstub</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.authfw</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.bbc.bbcagent</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.beaconmanager</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.bio.face.service</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.bixby.service</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.calendar</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.clipboarduiservice</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.contacts</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.dialer</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.dqagent</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.easysetup</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.emojiupdater</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.fmm</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.game.gamehome</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.game.gametools</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.game.gos</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.homemode</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.incallui</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.keyguardwallpaperupdator</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.kidsinstaller</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.knox.analytics.uploader</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.knox.containeragent</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.knox.containercore</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.knox.containerdesktop</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.location</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.lool</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.mdecservice</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.mdm</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.messaging</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.mobileservice</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.net.wifi.wifiguider</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.provider.stickerprovider</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.samsungpass</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.scloud</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.securitylogagent</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.smartface</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.smartswitchassistant</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.stickercenter</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.tadownloader</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.video</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.visionintelligence</string>
<string>com.samsung.android.wellbeing</string>
<string>com.samsung.app.newtrim</string>
<string>com.samsung.clipboardsaveservice</string>
<string>com.samsung.cmh</string>
<string>com.samsung.ims.smk</string>
<string>com.samsung.knox.keychain</string>
<string>com.samsung.knox.securefolder</string>
<string>com.samsung.mlp</string>
<string>com.samsung.oh</string>
<string>com.samsung.safetyinformation</string>
<string>com.samsung.sec.android.application.csc</string>
<string>com.samsung.SMT</string>
<string>com.samsung.storyservice</string>
<string>com.samsung.systemui.bixby2</string>
<string>com.samsung.systemui.hidenotch.withoutcornerround</string>
<string>com.samsung.systemui.hidenotch</string>
<string>com.sec.android.app.billing</string>
<string>com.sec.android.app.chromecustomizations</string>
<string>com.sec.android.app.samsungapps</string>
<string>com.sec.android.app.SecSetupWizard</string>
<string>com.sec.android.daemonapp</string>
<string>com.sec.android.easyMover.Agent</string>
<string>com.sec.android.mimage.gear360editor</string>
<string>com.sec.android.mimage.photoretouching</string>
<string>com.sec.android.soagent</string>
<string>com.sec.android.splitsound</string>
<string>com.sec.android.uibcvirtualsoftkey</string>
<string>com.sec.android.widgetapp.samsungapps</string>
<string>com.sec.bcservice</string>
<string>com.sec.enterprise.knox.cloudmdm.smdms</string>
<string>com.sec.enterprise.mdm.services.simpin</string>
<string>com.sec.factory</string>
<string>com.sec.phone</string>
<string>com.sec.spp.push</string>
<string>com.wssyncmldm</string>
<string>flipboard.boxer.app</string>
</disabledPackages>
</importExportSetting>

Did all of this work result in anything positive? Less memory use? Snappier UI? Less dandruff?

yRdcMIbiR6 said:
Did all of this work result in anything positive? Less memory use? Snappier UI? Less dandruff?
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Whiter teeth ? and better sleep ? Actually, for me it's all about not letting someone else dictate what my tablet does, and what information is 'shared' (stolen, is how I view it). For instance, this thing has a telemetry function. I don't care what kind of telemetry it is, I din't want it. Also, this thing is not a phone and I don't use it for phone-like activities, so I don't want it to try to act like a phone, with all the activity in the background. I could go on and on, but...
To answer your question, no noticeable increase in performance. I do, however, enjoy the benefits I mentioned in the first sentence—except for the 'whiter teeth' thing.
I will root this tablet and then have full control—lots and lots of deleting files and folders. I can hardly wait!

I just got this tablet today, my last one was a Galaxy Tab S 10.5 before switching to a Surface Pro.
I missed Android multitasking and the apps which I'm pleased to have back but what's not nice is the amount of clutter that still exists in Samsung's ROMs.
I hope we can get AOSP or Lineage ported to this as One UI sucks.
The hardware is beast though. I'm going to give that app you suggested a try. Thanks.

flyboyovyick said:
I'm going to give that app you suggested a try. Thanks.
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I agree. This my my first large-screen tablet—8.4" before—and I love it! The app works quite well. It is what allowed me to experiment. When I root, even if I don't install a custom ROM—I have no problem with the OneUI, uh, UI—I'll know what to start with, uninstall-wise.
One thing I don't like is inability to use Substratum—at least for now. If you find a way to theme this tablet please let us know.

I did end up caving and buying that package disabler, used your latest script and re-enabled some apps.
Found that now the icons are missing from the notifications drop down which is fantastic! It was cluttered.
Couple of things to note:
Dolby Atmos has gone, I used this when watching Netflix as it did make a difference.
One UI Home app, also known as com.sec.android.app.launcher, when disabled will give you the stock Android multitasking which is fantastic! I use Evie launcher so I would RECOMMEND you have a different launcher installed before doing this.
I've done a quick search for the Atmos app but no luck so far, if you have any ideas?
Thanks!

flyboyovyick said:
I did end up caving and buying that package disabler, used your latest script and re-enabled some apps.
Found that now the icons are missing from the notifications drop down which is fantastic! It was cluttered.
Couple of things to note:
Dolby Atmos has gone, I used this when watching Netflix as it did make a difference.
One UI Home app, also known as com.sec.android.app.launcher, when disabled will give you the stock Android multitasking which is fantastic! I use Evie launcher so I would RECOMMEND you have a different launcher installed before doing this.
I've done a quick search for the Atmos app but no luck so far, if you have any ideas?
Thanks!
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Good to hear someone is benefiting from this!
I hadn't done anything where the audio was of concern, so I didn't notice. I just installed a few games though, RealRacing 3 being one of them, so now I care! No ideas, so I'll have to do some researching.
Thanks for the OneUI info. I use Nova Prime and frequently try out other ones, 'hyperion' being the latest, even though it force closes on opening—it bugs me that I can't easily get a proper log. Love Evie for my phone.
BTW, the link at https://bit.ly/2VXRoLt has my disabledpackages133-OK.xml file, which has all the changes in one file.
[EDIT] Reenabled OneUI cuz I like the way recents are shown.

TiTiB said:
Good to hear someone is benefiting from this!
I hadn't done anything where the audio was of concern, so I didn't notice. I just installed a few games though, RealRacing 3 being one of them, so now I care! No ideas, so I'll have to do some researching.
Thanks for the OneUI info. I use Nova Prime and frequently try out other ones, 'hyperion' being the latest, even though it force closes on opening—it bugs me that I can't easily get a proper log. Love Evie for my phone.
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Yes thank you for sharing it.
Atmos is missing from the notification quick toggles and in the Settings under Sound > Advanced Settings. Will have to look through the disabled apps. Have you since uninstalled the apps completely?
Just need to get that working now. Had an issue with Evie when rotating to portrait, it would leave half the screen white for some reason so now I have moved to Nova Launcher which works flawlessly.
My tablet does feel quicker now, I have all the animations turned off in Developer Options. Especially on boot it's not lagging, ready to go sooner. I've even got the 6GB/128GB version.

flyboyovyick said:
Yes thank you for sharing it.
Atmos is missing from the notification quick toggles and in the Settings under Sound > Advanced Settings. Will have to look through the disabled apps. Have you since uninstalled the apps completely?
Just need to get that working now. Had an issue with Evie when rotating to portrait, it would leave half the screen white for some reason so now I have moved to Nova Launcher which works flawlessly.
My tablet does feel quicker now, I have all the animations turned off in Developer Options. Especially on boot it's not lagging, ready to go sooner. I've even got the 6GB/128GB version.
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Haven't uninstalled anything yet.
Just checked, and Atmos is there for me—able to change settings for it, too.
Here's something you could try—do a file compare between what you have disabled, and my '133-ok' list, which is still working fime for me. I've been using DiffTool the File Compare Tool from Play Store https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.difftool to compare what I had newly disabled with what I had previously disabled. The interface and usage is a bit clunky (the dev has stated something to the effect of "it's a tool, not a beauty pageant"). HINTS: Use the compare TEXT files, then save the results using the ? icon to be able to use a text editor to see the results.
Please let us know what you find.
[EDIT] I f you find a better way to compare files on Android I'd sure like to know about it.

@TiTiB
Thank you for this valuable contribution. For those looking for root, this is the better route. You'll free up CPU and RAM whilst removing applications deemed unnecessary.

Been a while since I've been able to have a look but I've managed to find it using DiffTool
The package is com.sec.android.app.soundalive, now in Settings > Sound > Advanced Sound Settings > Sound Quality and Effects. Then in there you have Atmos. It's now working again!

Thanks so much for all the info!
Am considering about getting a s5e but the demo unit in my local retailers are kinda sluggish. Not sure if that is because of the bloatware or the demo mode.
May I know if this way of disabling bloatware will void my warranty? How much snappier will the device become after the cpu and ram are being freed up?
Thanks!

monsthamo said:
Thanks so much for all the info!
Am considering about getting a s5e but the demo unit in my local retailers are kinda sluggish. Not sure if that is because of the bloatware or the demo mode.
May I know if this way of disabling bloatware will void my warranty? How much snappier will the device become after the cpu and ram are being freed up?
Thanks!
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No issues with warranty. All you are doing is disabling/freezing apps—something that can be done via Android's normal Settings for a lot of apps. What you'll be able to do via these apps or adb is disable/freeze apps that you wouldn't normally be able to.
I'm not really sure if disabling/freezing has improved performance because this tablet's response to everything I've thrown at it is so brisk! Admittedly,I'm not a big-time gamer—e.g. no Fortnite. My guess is that the demo unit was not set up properly/at all and was also subject to a 'demo mode effect', if there is such a thing. ?
In a nutshell, I think this thing is plenty quick! am *extremely happy with it, and I would recommend it. I don't know what sort of return policy you might be dealing with, but once you get it home it ain't goin' nowhere.

Thanks very much for the info! Let me give a try~

Thanks for sharing, I can confirm that this made the tablet a lot more responsive

I couldn't find the app in the app store...is it still around?

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I couldn't find the app in the app store...is it still around?
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It's "Package Disabler Pro+ (Samsung)". Did a search and it came up first on the list. ?

TiTiB said:
It's "Package Disabler Pro+ (Samsung)". Did a search and it came up first on the list.
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I cannot find any app called "package disabler pro+(Samsung)" ..... so, I think they deleted from playstore....

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System App which are potential Bloat, safe to Freeze, bcservice, context provider...

Look in the link below to consolidate. Thanks
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/help/app-potential-bloat-safe-to-freeze-t3161615/post61958829#post61958829

thread pinned..interesting will look tomorrow evening again..will sleep now

Sounds good

Look at the link in the first post to see what I have running.

MementoM said:
I did it's really awesome, I thank you. It's a tad hard to determine exactly what was disabled as you were unable to provided a list and I'm unable to piece together all the posts as to what truly was uninstalled/disabled here is what I have always running at the moment. Any advice?. Is it safe to say everything that's running here and not in your screenshot is safe to disable?.
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Yes, but if you disable the Catch people than I believe your Edge feature will not work. I don't use it but if you do keep it. Also if you don't use the factory email client you can safely disable that as well and not have any email issues if you use other clients.

What carrier are you on? If you reboot and have just those loading on startup you should be near 1.5GB. Now there may be events which trigger apps to run behind the scenes and there are apps to let you see what is running at startup and give you the ability to change their behavior based on specific events, however I'm not sure if those programs really work as advertised for modifying the app behavior. Tmobile users have had all kinds of memory management issues, there are mods you can make to modify the memory management aggressiveness but I have not found a need to make those changes, also with 5.11 it looks like they made it even more aggressive but again on boot up you should be closer to 1-1.5GB free RAM.

Huge list of disabled apps! 180+!!!

There is an issue with the latest list so don't copy it completely. I got a bootloop after restarting my phone today and I had to factory reset... this is as of 10/8/16 at 12:50pm. The list from the 5th of October on back should be fine. I'm currently trying to sort out the issue.
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Here is a list of apps and services which can be disabled on the Note 7 while still maintaining stability; Data, Calling, Texting, MMS, Wi-Fi, Tethering, Bluetooth, GPS, Sync, Camera, EQ, HD Calling, Always On and all the S-Pen features work, but most other things are turned off like Fingerprint, Iris, NFC, Edge Panel, Pay Services, etc... This list isn't meant to be copied exactly by everyone because we all use our devices differently but you can pick and choose what you want to get the optimal performance from your device.
As of 10/6/16 I have 180+ apps and services disabled and today I got over 8 hours of SOT with 11% battery left (over 9 hours projected of SOT based on the days' usage). I didn't use any power saving modes and kept my brightness at a reasonable level so using the device was easy and not annoying due to the brightness being so low. I had location and sync enabled and wasn't doing any unnatural things trying to squeeze out as much battery life as I could. This was real world usage with all the necessary features and background processes running so using the device felt natural and functional. I say this so people don't think I fudged these numbers by doing things like letting my phone sit with the screen on while at the lowest brightness and not using it, or that I was using some power saving modes to squeeze out as much life as possible. My phone ran at full power all day. I've never even toggled power saving mode on my phone before.
Due to XDA's limit on the amount of image uploads I'm going to create two post with the complete list of disabled apps and link them here in the OP.
I'm using EZ Package Disabler (Samsung) from the play store to disable these apps and services. I bought that one because it had the highest rating.
Below here are some updates I posted during the process of figuring out what to disable. The post with the latest date is always going to have the most current and relevant information.
9/30/16 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68930083&postcount=16
10/2/16 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68950934&postcount=23
10/3/16 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68972097&postcount=26 / http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68972131&postcount=27
10/5/16 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68999679&postcount=33
[UNSTABLE something in this list caused me to bootloop]10/6/16 - 184 Disabled Apps & Services List Part 1 Here and Part 2 Here XML Export File List Here

Why do you bother to own this phone when you disable most of what makes this phone so great? It has a tonne of RAM, tonne of storage, not sure what you are trying to achieve by disabling so much?
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tonymy01 said:
Why do you bother to own this phone when you disable most of what makes this phone so great? It has a tonne of RAM, tonne of storage, not sure what you are trying to achieve by disabling so much?
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Actually, most of the features are still there. I bought it for the S-pen features and all that is still there. Did you go through the list and see what I turned off or are you just replying to reply? If you read my OG post you'd see I said that my goal was to keep the functionality of the device.
This phone is loaded with bloat and useless services and apps that most will never use. All these things can cause battery drain, cpu usage, ram usage, hardware heat, among other things. So why not turn off what is not needed? It doesn't matter how much ram the phone has, why run stuff that doesn't need to run since you aren't using it?

Fingerprint,shealth, Android pay, software updating, iris scanner, gmail, standard email, game launcher, Samsung cloud (much more useful than Google backup as it supports call logs, sms and other recoveries), the emergency alerts, car mode(for operating in car potentially with different launcher suitable for vehicle use) the list goes on and on and I did look, I don't post for no reason.
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tonymy01 said:
Fingerprint,shealth, Android pay, software updating, iris scanner, gmail, standard email, game launcher, the emergency alerts, car mode(for operating in car potentially with different launcher suitable for vehicle use) the list goes on and on and I did look, I don't post for no reason.
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Like I said, I bought it for the S-pen features. What I disabled I don't use and have no use for. Also If I want to use them at any time I can just reenable them. So let's go through your list. Fingerprint, I use swipe or a pin or a pattern. S-health, I use google fit, or nothing since I don't need a smartphone to tell me how to be fit. Android pay, I use cash. Software updating, if I want an update I can manually grab it, I don't need a service running constantly checking for them. Iris scanner, it's stupid and I'll never use it. Gmail, I use inbox and Alto. Standard email, I only have gmail accounts so don't need other email services. Game launcher, I don't play games. Emergency Alerts, seriously? You are just looking for things to justify your post, EA's are useless and annoying when they pop up and have never benefited me once. Car mode, I have no use for it since I drive a 2000 windstar minivan and waze provides me with all I need in a car. Also, you didn't name one thing that makes this phone great but rather things that are basically on all Android's. Again, I bought the phone for the S-pen, all that is still there. Why are you even doing this? your post are as useless as the apps and services I disabled.

Troll flushed where it belongs. Goodbye, no need to be so rude about it.
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It may be more useful to state what battery usage difference has been found / before and after

bonerp said:
It may be more useful to state what battery usage difference has been found / before and after
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Totally agree. I will try testing N7 when I get mine. First factory reset it out of the box (maybe get the update first then factory reset it with recovery). After that set it up keep all apps and see how battery is... the try the disabler I loke to debloat because phone looks much more cleaner then. And any debloat list is totally personal that why I used TB on my rooted devices, this time won't rush to root

Just disable the damn phone, turn it off and stop using it lol
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Why all the hate?
I really don't get when people post about disabling certain features that others get upset. Or use power saver, etc.
This is one of the great things about Android, the ability to customize and mod our phones to our liking. Try doing any of these things with an Iphone, you can't. So this particular user wants to disable Gmail and messages because he uses other services (Inbox is awesome). He reports back that things still seem stable? Great! I am interested in updates to see if he runs into any problems etc
Let's talk about the great features we have, which include the ability to replace core apps if we desire. Don't jump on someone for doing so.
A mouse running into a room at a party doesn't cause chaos, how people react to it does. We are all responsible for our own actions. You don't like how someone else customizes their phone, who cares? Move on to the next post.
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jmitr said:
Why all the hate? I am interested in updates to see if he runs into any problems etc
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Used the phone very heavy today and ran into no real issues. I had to reenable one service because I tried to use the built-in EQ and it made settings crash. I was able to find the cause in less than a minute and reenable it The service that needs to run for the EQ to work is "SoundAlive" on page 8.
Also got 2.75 hours of SOT and 3 hours of gps use and was right at 50% battery left. At the end of tomorrow I'm going to post some screenshots.

Thanks for the list OP, I probably won't be disabling as much as you have but it's great to know what I can kill without messing up the phone. (when I finally get it)

Mdizzle1 said:
Thanks for the list OP, I probably won't be disabling as much as you have but it's great to know what I can kill without messing up the phone. (when I finally get it)
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No problem. I plan on trying to get more added to the list. Once I know what I've added so far is safe and doesn't cause any issues I'll slowly add more.

I appreciate the list too. It is good to know what can be safely disabled and then we can decide what we want to keep or give the heave ho.

Smithfolk4 said:
I appreciate the list too. It is good to know what can be safely disabled and then we can decide what we want to keep or give the heave ho.
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I've done another day of heavy use today and I'm very happy with my results. I had over 3 hours of SOT using auto brightness which stayed on max brightness most of the time since I was outside and I still had over 40% (I estimate I was on track to get very close to 6 hours SOT with max auto brightness!!!) battery left when I got home. I also used GPS for about an hour along with installing app, and constantly doing other stuff on the phone. I'm going to update the OP with some more screenshots. But from these past two full days of very heavy use and no force closes or issues to speak of (other than having to turn SoundAlive back on for the EQ to work) I'm going to say what I've disabled so far is safe and causes no dependency issues. Also, the phone runs very smooth and doesn't get hot at all. Even today with basically 3 straight hours of SOT and max auto brightness the phone never heated up.
Oh! I'm at 101 things disabled now (not including my downloaded disabled apps) which is how I ran it all day today. More to come! Once I feel like I've found everything I can disable safely I'll do a new updated OP with all I found.

9/30/16 screenshots just showing some battery and cpu use stats. In the future I'm going to add some temp stats. If anyone has a good app for monitoring temps let me know even if it's paid. I don't mind buying apps that are good and useful.

Awesome the list is identical to what I disabled excluding iris, finger print, Samsung app store, gmail and sound alive. I can tell my phone lasts longer on a single charge and everything works just as if everything were enabled. For some odd reason I don't like seeing my RAM going over 2GB lol I know I know unused memory is a waste in Android OS.

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Awesome the list is identical to what I disabled excluding iris, finger print, Samsung app store, gmail and sound alive. I can tell my phone lasts longer on a single charge and everything works just as if everything were enabled. For some odd reason I don't like seeing my RAM going over 2GB lol I know I know unused memory is a waste in Android OS.
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I've always hated automation. I can't stand things running without my permission! I've had all startup programs on windows disabled since 2003 Back in the day on Windows XP I got my active running services in task manager to below 20. I'm now at 101 things disabled on the note 7 and I know there is a ton more I can turn off but I'm going about things slowly. I've confirmed that the 101 things I've turned off so far are safe and the phone definitely runs better in every way.
As far as the ram theories and myths about Android it's mostly people repeating their misunderstandings. Of course if you are using the apps in the ram a lot it's good for them to be there because they will load faster but if you are never using those apps and services and they are still sitting in your ram then it's not productive and a waste of resources which will cause the phone to not run optimally. These phones (and computers) come preloaded with tons of stuff running because they are targeted at the average user and not at the power/informed users. Anyone who knows much of anything about computers and how they are setup from the factory knows they are not configured for performance but rather a balance between performance and usability. Of course Android is getting better and better at managing apps and putting them to sleep but there still is nothing better than completely disabling things you don't need and will never use and thereby freeing up resources you can use for things you are actually using...wow! what a concept, have resources there to use for things you actually use! Genius! People seem to act like having ram full just for the sake of having it full is a good thing in Android when that is completely false. Even Android likes to have resources free that it can use for other things.

142 disabled apps and services
So I'm now sitting at 142 things disabled. I'm going to run my current setup for a couple days and see how it goes. I'll report back the results. Hopefully in a week or so I'll have a full list of what can be turned off without having issues.

Looking forward to your end results. Thank You for sharing your experience debloating.

Are there any deal breakers in this gorgeous device?

I was waiting to buy the upcoming iPhone (Blasphemy!) but I just love how unique Find X is. It is going to be up for pre-order next week and I need some advice from you users.
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Thanks in advance. Will really appreciate your input. Cheers!

prophet558 said:
I was waiting to buy the upcoming iPhone (Blasphemy!) but I just love how unique Find X is. It is going to be up for pre-order next week and I need some advice from you users.
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Thanks in advance. Will really appreciate your input. Cheers!
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- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
Seems pretty solid but we won't know for a while!
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
Try looking in the forum, about three posts down in the "Killing apps" thread
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
Not so far but, it looks pretty easy to clean the dust away
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Power management is a B*&CH. See the same thread about "Killing Apps"
https://forum.xda-developers.com/find-X/help/killing-apps-screen-off-arghh-t3818105

Monty Burns said:
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
Seems pretty solid but we won't know for a while!
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
Try looking in the forum, about three posts down in the "Killing apps" thread
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
Not so far but, it looks pretty easy to clean the dust away
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Power management is a B*&CH. See the same thread about "Killing Apps"
https://forum.xda-developers.com/find-X/help/killing-apps-screen-off-arghh-t3818105
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Thanks a lot for the response. I have used ColorOS recently (Oppo Realme 1) and the Background app management was too aggressive.

prophet558 said:
Thanks a lot for the response. I have used ColorOS recently (Oppo Realme 1) and the Background app management was too aggressive.
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Yeah, it's on some sort of power trip (literally, in both senses of the phrase). That said, if you read through the thread i created, following a firmware upgrade yesterday and after a "settling period" things have been almost faultless today. My phone has been faultless and even thrown in a couple of reboots to challenge it and still been OK. My last problem of Gmail being forced to drop to 15 minute syncs instead of Push also seems to have resolved itself.
Now, i'm not sure if this is some sort of OS learning which apps I use, the firmware or just plain luck (or a combo) but, i'm now very happy with the device.
If you want your own launcher, it is entirely possible, as is removing the bloat (i'm running Nova) and there is no need to register with Oppo either. The link to achieve that is also in the thread I linked to.
I have no idea about battery life as when I'm at work it sits in a dock and then when i'm at home, it's also mostly in a dock so, battery life isn't really a concern but, i guess I'll find out this weekend!

prophet558 said:
I was waiting to buy the upcoming iPhone (Blasphemy!) but I just love how unique Find X is. It is going to be up for pre-order next week and I need some advice from you users.
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Thanks in advance. Will really appreciate your input. Cheers!
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1) Stock Android provides for incoming notifications to be seamless (automatic by default, individual 3rd party app settings may be different by default, but, can be easily toggled on). Oppo has severe restrictions on this, limiting to 5 user installed apps to start automatically on boot & 5 apps total to be locked in recent memory.
So, a high horsepower phone is basically muzzled, if you can deal with the angst of wondering if you're going to get timely notifications...... Perhaps if you use the stock email & messaging apps, these will likely work, but, I would steer clear of those....
2) No NFC, so, no tap to pay apps will work.
3) No VoLTE, no VoWI-FI
4) No status bar notification icons, no LED notification indicator.
5) If you use T-Mobile Digits & it isn't a top 5 protected app/one of your precious 5 to auto start on boot, it will log you out of the app on reboot & it will not work until you set it up again, resulting in missed messages & phone calls.
6) 3rd party clock apps: Again, if it's not a protected top 5 app, it will not keep proper time, resulting in missed alarms..... The stock clock works, but, it is a bare bones app at best, no snooze adjustment, locked into 5 minutes, SERIOUSLY?
7) Ad Blockers will work, but, intermittently, again, the top 5 protected app thing & even then, Oppo will kill it off at some point, resulting in having to restart the blocking.
8) If you choose to use a 3rd party launcher, you again lose some functionality. I use Chrome & frequently place shortcuts on my desktop from it.
NOT ON THIS PHONE, another swing & a miss....
9) Bluetooth devices:
Generally they work fine,but,if the device has a companion app,prepare for it (the app) to not work properly.
Example(s):
I have a pair of Jabra Elite Active 65t earbuds,pair-up & work fine,but,the companion app will not work,as it requires a plug-in app to fuel it. These various "plug-in" apps are typical & the companion apps work fine elsewhere,but,not on this phone.
Reason being,the "plug-in" app does not have a user interface,so,you cannot make the app a top 5 protected app to gain functionality,it simply won't work at all.
Ditto for smartwatches such as the Samsung line-up, for the same reason,no notifications,worked one day for me & broken the next,before & after the most recent Oppo update. That results in the Samsung smartwatch getting a lobotomy,only able to keep time & nothing more.
10) Package tracking apps:
Again,the top 5 protected thing,no timely updates & even then,mine simply did not refresh automatically,had to be done manually.
I could go on, but, in a nutshell, you're forced to make sacrifices as soon as you start using the phone. If this was a entry level/low storage/low RAM device, that's one thing.
But, it's not, basically a Lamborghini running on two cylinders, that's not what I paid for & why I sold mine 5 days after the most frustrating phone experience I've ever seen....
Sent from my HUAWEI BKL-L04 using XDA Labs

Monty Burns said:
Yeah, it's on some sort of power trip (literally, in both senses of the phrase). That said, if you read through the thread i created, following a firmware upgrade yesterday and after a "settling period" things have been almost faultless today. My phone has been faultless and even thrown in a couple of reboots to challenge it and still been OK. My last problem of Gmail being forced to drop to 15 minute syncs instead of Push also seems to have resolved itself.
Now, i'm not sure if this is some sort of OS learning which apps I use, the firmware or just plain luck (or a combo) but, i'm now very happy with the device.
If you want your own launcher, it is entirely possible, as is removing the bloat (i'm running Nova) and there is no need to register with Oppo either. The link to achieve that is also in the thread I linked to.
I have no idea about battery life as when I'm at work it sits in a dock and then when i'm at home, it's also mostly in a dock so, battery life isn't really a concern but, i guess I'll find out this weekend!
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That's very reassuring for me. Are you able to view the screen on time in this device? (Dunno why colorOS hides that).

radioraheem2 said:
1: The mechanism feels very durable, and 95% of the time the camera pops up fast. I have encountered 5% of time when the camera would pop up but the camera app takes an additional second or two to load.
2: nope. Unable to use nova launcher unless you into adb and do all types of advanced phone geek thing or something.
3: there's noticeable dust on my camera module but doesn't seem to be a big deal.
The big issue with this phone you should take note is, like many Chinese roms, push notifications are delayed or broken if the app has been closed or in background too long. There is a work around for this -- you have to go to settings and turn battery optimization off AND lock the app in the app overview window. This is of course, not ideal and annoying as hell. Currently I only have crucial "must get notifications on time" apps locked, such as whatsapp, wechat and Gmail. So for the most part I can use the phone fine. But I do miss all other notifications such as airbnb messages, Facebook messages, LinkedIn messages, until I open those apps again. I could lock all of them down too, but I don't want to have like seven apps running in background at all times.
This is a problem with many Chinese version of Chinese phones. I don't know why they think battery optimization so aggressive it kills notifications is a good thing.
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Thanks for the response. Hope backgeound app management better with the Global ROM.

The international version goes on sale in India and the Philippines today. We should soon get an idea of what the phone is capable of when it isn't hobbled by the oppressive Chinese firmware.

KOLIOSIS said:
1) Stock Android provides for incoming notifications to be seamless (automatic by default, individual 3rd party app settings may be different by default, but, can be easily toggled on). Oppo has severe restrictions on this, limiting to 5 user installed apps to start automatically on boot & 5 apps total to be locked in recent memory.
So, a high horsepower phone is basically muzzled, if you can deal with the angst of wondering if you're going to get timely notifications...... Perhaps if you use the stock email & messaging apps, these will likely work, but, I would steer clear of those....
2) No NFC, so, no tap to pay apps will work.
3) No VoLTE, no VoWI-FI
4) No status bar notification icons, no LED notification indicator.
5) If you use T-Mobile Digits & it isn't a top 5 protected app/one of your precious 5 to auto start on boot, it will log you out of the app on reboot & it will not work until you set it up again, resulting in missed messages & phone calls.
6) 3rd party clock apps: Again, if it's not a protected top 5 app, it will not keep proper time, resulting in missed alarms..... The stock clock works, but, it is a bare bones app at best, no snooze adjustment, locked into 5 minutes, SERIOUSLY?
7) Ad Blockers will work, but, intermittently, again, the top 5 protected app thing & even then, Oppo will kill it off at some point, resulting in having to restart the blocking.
8) If you choose to use a 3rd party launcher, you again lose some functionality. I use Chrome & frequently place shortcuts on my desktop from it.
NOT ON THIS PHONE, another swing & a miss....
9) Bluetooth devices:
Generally they work fine,but,if the device has a companion app,prepare for it (the app) to not work properly.
Example(s):
I have a pair of Jabra Elite Active 65t earbuds,pair-up & work fine,but,the companion app will not work,as it requires a plug-in app to fuel it. These various "plug-in" apps are typical & the companion apps work fine elsewhere,but,not on this phone.
Reason being,the "plug-in" app does not have a user interface,so,you cannot make the app a top 5 protected app to gain functionality,it simply won't work at all.
Ditto for smartwatches such as the Samsung line-up, for the same reason,no notifications,worked one day for me & broken the next,before & after the most recent Oppo update. That results in the Samsung smartwatch getting a lobotomy,only able to keep time & nothing more.
10) Package tracking apps:
Again,the top 5 protected thing,no timely updates & even then,mine simply did not refresh automatically,had to be done manually.
I could go on, but, in a nutshell, you're forced to make sacrifices as soon as you start using the phone. If this was a entry level/low storage/low RAM device, that's one thing.
But, it's not, basically a Lamborghini running on two cylinders, that's not what I paid for & why I sold mine 5 days after the most frustrating phone experience I've ever seen....
Sent from my HUAWEI BKL-L04 using XDA Labs
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Really appreciate the response. That seems a lot of sacrifices which I can make except for the Smartwatch thing. Do you think the Wear OS watches will crippled the same was as the Gear ones? (Despite Wear OS being a single app with no companion apps unlike the Gear)

prophet558 said:
Really appreciate the response. That seems a lot of sacrifices which I can make except for the Smartwatch thing. Do you think the Wear OS watches will crippled the same was as the Gear ones? (Despite Wear OS being a single app with no companion apps unlike the Gear)
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If you don't make it a "Top 5 Protected" app, count on it not syncing properly/automatically.

krabman said:
The international version goes on sale in India and the Philippines today. We should soon get an idea of what the phone is capable of when it isn't hobbled by the oppressive Chinese firmware.
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They have given a tentative delivery date - 5th of August on Flipkart (India).

Screw it I just pre-ordered it (Bordeaux Red). Shipping starts from 4th of August. Hope the phone gets relatively better with the Global Indian ROM. Thank you all for your inputs.

Does it has hi dac like vivo nex ?

rowihel2012 said:
Does it has hi dac like vivo nex ?
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No it doesn't.

KOLIOSIS said:
If you don't make it a "Top 5 Protected" app, count on it not syncing properly/automatically.
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As a Wear OS user (Polar M600) i can absolutely CONFIRM what Koliosis is saying and this is not just limited to Samsung Watches.
That said, my watch has been fine now for 2 days and, even after a reboot, the same apps are still auto-run and remain locked. I actually like this solution now BUT, why the FRACK have they restricted it to only 5 apps!?
Anyway, as an example, my locked and running fine apps are:
Wear OS
The Crypto App (so it's widget runs OK - take note, to run a widget, the PARENT app needs to be locked sometimes)
WhatsApp
Gmail
Google Calendar (again, for it's widget)
Now, for me, this is perfectly OK and I have no need to even want to lock other apps (like Facebook) as i'm not interested however, you need to assess YOUR needs which may be more apps.
edit: Oh, oddly, i've got the Sony Experia clock widget installed and that runs perfectly even without being locked and I've no idea why!
Also, I've got the red and it looks stunning. Easily the best looking phone i've ever owned. You'll be happy with the physical design.

prophet558 said:
They have given a tentative delivery date - 5th of August on Flipkart (India).
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Same here, will share my inputs once I receive the device :fingers-crossed:

Funk Wizard said:
Same here, will share my inputs once I receive the device :fingers-crossed:
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Looking forward to it....
I'd be open to getting the phone again,provided the version you'll be getting won't be locked-down,as far as Auto-Start/RAM/recents/app permissions go.
If you've perused the threads here,you're aware of the limitations the users have with the Chinese version,I sure hope your experience is leaps & bounds better.............. :good:

KOLIOSIS said:
Looking forward to it....
I'd be open to getting the phone again,provided the version you'll be getting won't be locked-down,as far as Auto-Start/RAM/recents/app permissions go.
If you've perused the threads here,you're aware of the limitations the users here have with the Chinese version,I sure hope your experience is leaps & bounds better.............. :good:
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If these restrictions do not exist on a non-Chinese version, I'll be flashing as soon as it is possible and a method is detailed!

KOLIOSIS said:
Looking forward to it....
I'd be open to getting the phone again,provided the version you'll be getting won't be locked-down,as far as Auto-Start/RAM/recents/app permissions go.
If you've perused the threads here,you're aware of the limitations the users have with the Chinese version,I sure hope your experience is leaps & bounds better.............. :good:
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I am positive for a better experience on the Indian version which is already better in terms of bloat and hopefully we can do a workaround for the other issues. I will keep you posted. Currently it's a long wait as the tentative delivery is 5th August so I'll share my inputs after playing with the machine for a couple of days
Many thanks for your inputs so far and the adb workaround for bloat.
Sent from my OnePlus6 using XDA Labs

Possible hacky solution to apps being aggressively killed

I say possible because the possible solution is basically disabling a system app, but this was after disabling other system apps and mucking around with settings, so it might be a combination of apps being disabled, but i dont think so
By the way, i can confirm that twrp from the here https://forum.xda-developers.com/nokia-1/development/unlocking-rooting-nokia-1-stock-rom-t3832230 works, and so does the latest magisk 17.
Twrp
Ive succesfully used the backup/install feature but havent had the courage yet to test the wipe and restore (data,system) feature, although following that ^ guide ^, looks like restore recovery/boot image works, so thats hopefully a good sign
Magisk
Following that guide, use twrp to flash, no major issues with installation.
Note, if you follow that guide and you come to the bit where the stock recovery only shows "no commands", hold press power button + up volume for a sec or two, or at least thats what i read somewhere, read somewhere else to just press these buttons continually on and off, which i did randomly, and eventually the stock recovery options appeared, dont know why this is this way
Anyways, the culprit, assuming im right barring the above reasons was........a system app called EMM or emmupdate (literately the apps name changed on my phone, i remembered it was emmupdate and now, after checking, its changed to emm, thats weird)
I used a root based logcat app
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.dp.logcatapp/
to try and see if there was anything to see, using a particular app i could reliably duplicate the issue with (swiping away from recents app would turn off this apps service removing its notification a couple seconds after being cleared from recents, this app being https://play.google.com/store/apps/...ite&pcampaignid=APPU_1_LUahW_D4DonSgAajx4y4Aw
Paused the logcat searched for the app, and saw a reference with this app, showing the emm app and references to "killing"
Solution
My particular solution was this app,(requires root)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kunkunsoft.rootservicedisabler
(i dont think you can disable this emm app normally like some system apps, check, i could be wrong)
-in my brief researching this area, i saw discussions that you may be able to do this with adb(i dont know for sure, but might be worth looking into it yourselves, if you dont want to root, no guarantees)
The service disabler app lets you disable, well, services, and this emm app had one service attached to it called "MemoryManagerService", so maybe thats what did it, and not the disabling of the app, so i suggest that if you use this app, also disable the service as i did, for the emm app if disabling the app only, did nothing
IMPORTANT- Reboot the phone after, as thats when the change took affect for me
Ive rebooted, slept, and cleared recents and so far, multiple background apps that were continually being killed before, have NOT been killed
Hope this helps, hope it works.........silly that we have to do this

Well i did the same thing by analyazing the logcat through adb. What i found was that any app was killed after this so called emmservice in emmapp was run. After this the activity manager simple killed that app.
To check i choose emm app and turned d switch off under background apps in developer options. Also fc emm.apk. but still problem was there.
Ill check your workaround. It sounds more promising.

coolboyforeva said:
Well i did the same thing by analyazing the logcat through adb. What i found was that any app was killed after this so called emmservice in emmapp was run. After this the activity manager simple killed that app.
To check i choose emm app and turned d switch off under background apps in developer options. Also fc emm.apk. but still problem was there.
Ill check your workaround. It sounds more promising.
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If you get the time, let us know if it works, that way anyone else with the same issue who comes across this thread at least has a way to make the phone multitask
An open source alternative to the disable services app, is an app called oandbackup on the fdroid store(like titanium backup), has a feature that lets you disable apps(requires root), aswell as backup/restore apps and their data, its very good
I just tried looking for a non root solution, but it seems that adb solution i briefly saw earlier also needs root
Besides that, like i said in my first post, it could have been the disabling of emmupdate/s service in the disable service app, so if disabling alone doesnt do it, try disabling the service aswell...........i kinda wanna know the least amount of steps to get it fixed, so if disabling did it alone, that would be worth knowing
Gd luck
Spoke to soon, seems like there might be a way to use adb without root to disable system apps https://www.androidpit.com/uninstall-system-apps-without-root, whether it works on oreo i dont know.
The article solution implies the this will uninstall the apps, but apparently, according to a commenter in that article, it deletes a part of the app in a certain place in android that essentially just disables it, if you did a factory reset, the app would return
If it works, at least users wont have to go through the trouble or risk of mistake in flashing twrp/root or any other modifications to fix it, assuming just disabling emm....... works.

banderos101 said:
If you get the time, let us know if it works, that way anyone else with the same issue who comes across this thread at least has a way to make the phone multitask
An open source alternative to the disable services app, is an app called oandbackup on the fdroid store(like titanium backup), has a feature that lets you disable apps(requires root), aswell as backup/restore apps and their data, its very good
I just tried looking for a non root solution, but it seems that adb solution i briefly saw earlier also needs root
Besides that, like i said in my first post, it could have been the disabling of emmupdate/s service in the disable service app, so if disabling alone doesnt do it, try disabling the service aswell...........i kinda wanna know the least amount of steps to get it fixed, so if disabling did it alone, that would be worth knowing
Gd luck
Spoke to soon, seems like there might be a way to use adb without root to disable system apps https://www.androidpit.com/uninstall-system-apps-without-root, whether it works on oreo i dont know.
The article solution implies the this will uninstall the apps, but apparently, according to a commenter in that article, it deletes a part of the app in a certain place in android that essentially just disables it, if you did a factory reset, the app would return
If it works, at least users wont have to go through the trouble or risk of mistake in flashing twrp/root or any other modifications to fix it, assuming just disabling emm....... works.
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I tried. I can confirm the root method works. However, i also did the adb method. The adb too works. Apps are not killed by android now. No need to unlock bootloader, root or twrp. It just executing 2 commands
Code:
adb shell pm clear com.evenwell.emm
adb shell pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.evenwell.emm
And then reboot.
This clears the app data and disables the app for current user.
And, moreover it survives ota updates too. !!
Only thing to keep in mind is that if you factory reset, you have to re execute above 2 adb commands.
So now all sorted. Just a matter of executing 2 commands.

coolboyforeva said:
I tried. I can confirm the root method works. However, i also did the adb method. The adb too works. Apps are not killed by android now. No need to unlock bootloader, root or twrp. It just executing 2 commands
Code:
adb shell pm clear com.evenwell.emm
adb shell pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.evenwell.emm
And then reboot.
This clears the app data and disables the app for current user.
And, moreover it survives ota updates too. !!
Only thing to keep in mind is that if you factory reset, you have to re execute above 2 adb commands.
So now all sorted. Just a matter of executing 2 commands.
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Very nice, now we know a solution
There you go folks, thanks to coolboyforeva's info, work, testing, and confirmation, anyone who comes across this annoying issue now has a non root solution to fix it, two adb commands.............not to bad, not to bad at all
Cheers CBF, for finding the specific adb commands, and the helpful info, hope it was'nt to much of a bother...........doing gods work pal

can confirm that the adb method works and can easily multitask now... thanks guys... no force closures of app now.....

Any you guys noticing a delay after reboot for your user apps to start, or just me.
Edit: even during operation(comes and goes), example app = Tasker
Edit2: mmmm, i have a suspicion it might be something to do with gaining root from magisk. Magisk has a few settings that changes how this works, so i might mess around with that first and see what happens. Might also just be tasker/oreo incompatibilities, or perhaps conflicting tasks
Probably gonna look into it, ill post here if i find anything, unless someone beats me to the punch, suspect its one of the manufactor's sytem "optimizing" apps..........
Was hoping we'd be swimming in custom roms, seing as our device SEEMS to be treble compatible and so cheap, a nice bloat free working lineage as daily driver..........guess ill have to stream line stock as much as possible until that day hopefully comes

banderos101 said:
Any you guys noticing a delay after reboot for your user apps to start, or just me.
Edit: even during operation(comes and goes), example app = Tasker
Edit2: mmmm, i have a suspicion it might be something to do with gaining root from magisk. Magisk has a few settings that changes how this works, so i might mess around with that first and see what happens. Might also just be tasker/oreo incompatibilities, or perhaps conflicting tasks
Probably gonna look into it, ill post here if i find anything, unless someone beats me to the punch, suspect its one of the manufactor's sytem "optimizing" apps..........
Was hoping we'd be swimming in custom roms, seing as our device SEEMS to be treble compatible and so cheap, a nice bloat free working lineage as daily driver..........guess ill have to stream line stock as much as possible until that day hopefully comes
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Yes there is delay. Bt i think it would be there. Initially when apps were killed u had enough ram to quickly process any app. But now since apps reside, android ram management has to manage. And that delay in app starting maybe coz be hardware. Its a low grade mediatek chipset. I dont expect it to be quick. (Atleast it auto start apps after delay). But yes if you could find some clue to optimize , that would be good.
Meanwhile i am looking for a pie rom. treble rom works on our nokia 1. I flashed phh treble pie gsi. It boots normal. Only thing is you dont get notified of incoming calls, no rings. Outgoing calls work normal though. So it cant be used.
Link for rom : https://forum.xda-developers.com/pr...vice-development/aosp-9-0-phh-treble-t3831915
If this issue is resolved we could have a ready pie rom too.

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Yes there is delay. Bt i think it would be there. Initially when apps were killed u had enough ram to quickly process any app. But now since apps reside, android ram management has to manage. And that delay in app starting maybe coz be hardware. Its a low grade mediatek chipset. I dont expect it to be quick. (Atleast it auto start apps after delay). But yes if you could find some clue to optimize , that would be good.
Meanwhile i am looking for a pie rom. treble rom works on our nokia 1. I flashed phh treble pie gsi. It boots normal. Only thing is you dont get notified of incoming calls, no rings. Outgoing calls work normal though. So it cant be used.
Link for rom : https://forum.xda-developers.com/pr...vice-development/aosp-9-0-phh-treble-t3831915
If this issue is resolved we could have a ready pie rom too.
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Cheers buddy, nice to know these things, good to know that theres already an initial treble rom.
Gonna wait for incoming call ring support, might give it a couple of months actually, before trying out any rom that might come along, let the bugs get settled if any, assuming were lucky enough to get a maintainer
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Commenting about the slow response time of user apps, normally i'd agree with you on the outdated hardware, but either the rom is very streamlined or the hardware is not so bad, as the phone is surprisingly snappy when its not stalling, which leads me to believe its a system app/service........ive had slow devices, and usually, everything is slow all the time, either because outdated hardware or heavy rom, so hopefully its a system app

Adb method works well here, tanks a lot. No UB, no root.

I'll be trying the ADB method when have enough charge as had to take Nokia 2.1 back and for that device having a Snapdragon I can confirm that this Nokia 1 is quicker by a mile

I done the adb method and it's worked!!!

thank you guys for this hack. multi-tasking is finally working and alot of overlays and apps are now working without closing.
I'll share with you something i found to make this phone really fast: in developer mode disable animations from x1 to OFF. Then turn ON gpu for 2d drawings. And reboot.
Now it will be buttery smooth!!

app closing and battery saver [Umidigi F1]

So I like the big battery in this phone, but I hate that when I open an app, and it loads (facebook for example), then I get an incoming email, so I tap the notification to open and read my email, the phone closes/ends my fb app. When I go back to fb, it re-launches the app all over again. It's annoying when I'm in the middle of something, and it'll force-close and lose everything I was typing. I've enabled dev options, and see an option in there for apps "Don't keep activities" (destroy every activity as soon as the user leaves it) which sounds like exactly what is happening, but this option is disabled. I've disabled every possible battery saver option I can find.
Anyone know where else to look? You wouldn't think it'd be a big thing, but it's really annoying having to spend extra time re-launching every single app as opposed to just switching between them already launched.
Thanks in advance!

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So I like the big battery in this phone, but I hate that when I open an app, and it loads (facebook for example), then I get an incoming email, so I tap the notification to open and read my email, the phone closes/ends my fb app. When I go back to fb, it re-launches the app all over again. It's annoying when I'm in the middle of something, and it'll force-close and lose everything I was typing. I've enabled dev options, and see an option in there for apps "Don't keep activities" (destroy every activity as soon as the user leaves it) which sounds like exactly what is happening, but this option is disabled. I've disabled every possible battery saver option I can find.
Anyone know where else to look? You wouldn't think it'd be a big thing, but it's really annoying having to spend extra time re-launching every single app as opposed to just switching between them already launched.
Thanks in advance!
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I am using Ruthless Pixel launcher, from here xda, and I haven't got this problem. May be you have to disable the DuraSpeed from Settings.
Bye!

I tried a different launcher. I'll try the one you use. I've even had problems with the launcher having to "restart" and when I go back to the homescreen, it takes several seconds for that to load.

same problem here, every battery saver option disabeled, duraspeed off, and everything that i need to to i did in the developer options, but literally every app reboots after i switch to an other. any news on how to get rid of it?

I've switched between several different launchers. This isn't a launcher problem. It's a phone software problem.

radi0chik said:
So I like the big battery in this phone, but I hate that when I open an app, and it loads (facebook for example), then I get an incoming email, so I tap the notification to open and read my email, the phone closes/ends my fb app. When I go back to fb, it re-launches the app all over again. It's annoying when I'm in the middle of something, and it'll force-close and lose everything I was typing. I've enabled dev options, and see an option in there for apps "Don't keep activities" (destroy every activity as soon as the user leaves it) which sounds like exactly what is happening, but this option is disabled. I've disabled every possible battery saver option I can find.
Anyone know where else to look? You wouldn't think it'd be a big thing, but it's really annoying having to spend extra time re-launching every single app as opposed to just switching between them already launched.
Thanks in advance!
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I'm running Nova Launcher and see what you're talking about...if you leave a Facebook post you're working on open, then go to research something else, even though the draft post is there on screen when you scroll for it, the post will close and re-open before you can edit it again, wiping out the draft. A bug that needs to be fixed, indeed. The weirder thing is, after looking at it some more, is that it isn't easy to consistently replicate. Weird, indeed.

TVCCS said:
I'm running Nova Launcher and see what you're talking about...if you leave a Facebook post you're working on open, then go to research something else, even though the draft post is there on screen when you scroll for it, the post will close and re-open before you can edit it again, wiping out the draft. A bug that needs to be fixed, indeed. The weirder thing is, after looking at it some more, is that it isn't easy to consistently replicate. Weird, indeed.
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So I packaged my phone up last night and shipped it back this morning. But a buddy of mine MAY have figured out how to make it work. Go to Duraspeed and ENABLE it. Then ENABLE the apps (or all apps) that you want to STAY ALIVE in the background. See if that allows them to all run, yeah, like making a fb post type thing. Report back. I may have to go buy it again!

I have ZimLX and no issue with background apps.

radi0chik said:
So I packaged my phone up last night and shipped it back this morning. But a buddy of mine MAY have figured out how to make it work. Go to Duraspeed and ENABLE it. Then ENABLE the apps (or all apps) that you want to STAY ALIVE in the background. See if that allows them to all run, yeah, like making a fb post type thing. Report back. I may have to go buy it again!
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That only helps a little bit, if you switch between tw games, or a game than check facebook and then whatzapp, the game resets. Also if you like switch to 3 different apps, they usually reset and get force closed from the systhem.
Also if you turn on duraspeed, youtube vanced gets forceclosed, even when it is allowed in duraspeed.
So what i do right now is enable duraspeed and the app that i want and whenever i wanna hear music in the background, i have to disable duraspeed.
Also, it is a real dealbreaker right now, it´s just way to buggy.
it seems like they programmed a way too harsh task kille in on purpose to give a longe battery life.
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monoculero said:
I am using Ruthless Pixel launcher, from here xda, and I haven't got this problem. May be you have to disable the DuraSpeed from Settings.
Bye!
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Not true, everyone has these problems nomather what launcher, it is a software problem.
Usually everyone has tryed to disable duraspeed of course and whatnot.

This problem/bug is really annoying. It makes me hate the phone to be honest.
How/who do we report this too?

Try here - https://community.umidigi.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=210
From what I've seen, Umidigi employees monitor and are active in their Forums, so hopefully someone will pay attention.

I have ZimXL and no issues with background apps closing. Are you on the latest ROM?

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I have ZimXL and no issues with background apps closing. Are you on the latest ROM?
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obviously we habe the lastest rom and every user has that problem it is a rom problem.
Also, what is a zim xl, google gives nothing about that.

I had a few apps do screwy things with the powersaver on , and it would be a few. Kroger app would crash and would not work until you uninstall and reinstall it. Att Uverse app, when you login it give a message about allow permissions, it had all, anything that need the gps. if I turn off the power saver I do not have those issues.

crystalpepe said:
obviously we habe the lastest rom and every user has that problem it is a rom problem.
Also, what is a zim xl, google gives nothing about that.
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[Edit]Actually this doesn't work well. A couple posts down is my fix that works.
I logged in after a while to post this! This is a reply to you and op and anyone else having this "problem". Thanks to this forum post, I found a solution. I think it's an ingenious design they created. If you want every app to run in the background, *enable Duraspeed and enable all apps* in the top right corner. Then, *Reboot your phone*.
After you do this, the phone will magically be as fast as it should again. It's like I rebought a phone 100x better then what I was using .
The ingenious part of it is, if you don't want certain apps running in the background then Disable them! (you'll probably have to reboot for any change to be applied)
I love this design and I am now back in love with my Umidigi F1 , hope this helps everyone.

i sold it like 3 months ago and fixed a broken note 9 for cheap. my friend who owns the f1 since then still has this issue even when he tried your fix.
also another friend who owns a f1 play has this issue since the last update he had, he even newly installed / whiped it and so on, seems like umidigi just has problems with theis software and also it seems like it only affects a few people.

crystalpepe said:
i sold it like 3 months ago and fixed a broken note 9 for cheap. my friend who owns the f1 since then still has this issue even when he tried your fix.
also another friend who owns a f1 play has this issue since the last update he had, he even newly installed / whiped it and so on, seems like umidigi just has problems with theis software and also it seems like it only affects a few people.
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Hello, I agree. The fix wasn't 100%.
So here is the official fix, and once again it makes sense. (You might have to enable developer mode)
Go to your apps/notifications in settings, select an app, under the app click advanced, Battery, then battery Optimizations. Under that page go through your apps and disable optimizations for apps you want to stay on in the background.
Found this out and it works.
Actually figured it out once I read your post
If it doesn't work, reboot your phone.
Still doesn't work, do this along with duraspeed on the selected apps.
Still doesn't work, might just be the app. (Some of my games still don't stay in memory)
It's working good for me now, but if I wanted more apps to stay open I'd check developer settings and turn Max apps to keep in memory to the highest amount.
and I agree, it's a bit unpolished. Probably something to do with their battery optimizations and Android's not being compatable.

Tried several methods and nothing truly works. Your best bet is to flash a GSI/rom. Or just root the phone and install "ram fix by cork" magisk mod. I'm using the latter method and it works fine.

Yep the software itself has far too aggressive memory management despite it having 4Gb of RAM and kills apps far too quickly.
I complained about it to UMIDIGI support and they said go buy an F2.
What i did was used this forum to install Lineage OS and now have no memory issues

Either install a GSI (I suggest LOSQ) or download RAM Management Fix by Crock if you can find it, it's not in Magisk anymore.

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