Magic earth, Google maps/|earth, Maps.me all find gps location quickly with no issues. But Waze and Sysgic (the 2 nav apps I prefer) cannot find/use gps location data, every time you open them they ask you to enable location services, and link to the setup page where everything is on and appears normal, toggling the settings has no effect, clearing data fall apps launcher/maps etc. no effect. GPS locator free finds my position no problem, GPS Satellite Stats says "gps disabled". Also clicking "maps setting" under applications leads nowhere? any ideas?
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Magic earth, Google maps/|earth, Maps.me all find gps location quickly with no issues. But Waze and Sysgic (the 2 nav apps I prefer) cannot find/use gps location data, every time you open them they ask you to enable location services, and link to the setup page where everything is on and appears normal, toggling the settings has no effect, clearing data fall apps launcher/maps etc. no effect. GPS locator free finds my position no problem, GPS Satellite Stats says "gps disabled". Also clicking "maps setting" under applications leads nowhere? any ideas?
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There is no hardware GPS in 3rd/4th gen HDX devices unless equipped with the LTE chip which is rare (you'd know it). The mapping services that show your *approximate* location are likely using Google's fused location service which uses known AP coordinates to estimate actual device location. It works well if near a known AP; completely useless in areas with few/no APs (eg: rural navigation). Service also uses known cell tower locations but that's obviously irrelevant on a typical HDX.
Thanks, had an old hdx and though it could stay useful re-purposed as a gps
Any thoughts on external bluetooth/usb gps's?
I have tried bt tethering to my phone in hope of accessing it's gps but apparently the sharing of a dozen or so numbers between 2 devices is to difficult for me, or is it them? Either way it's NO GPS FOR ME!
If I can find a cheap GlobalSat usb I might do that, I'd hate to an Another obsolete device (gps) to my collection when I already have so many obsolete phones and tables that (in theory at least) should do the job .
scottfree1 said:
Thanks, had an old hdx and though it could stay useful re-purposed as a gps
Any thoughts on external bluetooth/usb gps's?
I have tried bt tethering to my phone in hope of accessing it's gps but apparently the sharing of a dozen or so numbers between 2 devices is to difficult for me, or is it them? Either way it's NO GPS FOR ME!
If I can find a cheap GlobalSat usb I might do that, I'd hate to an Another obsolete device (gps) to my collection when I already have so many obsolete phones and tables that (in theory at least) should do the job .
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Not worth the effort given low cost alternatives. Several have tried including one guy who had a custom mount on his motorcycle is put in a full-fledged effort over several weeks. In the end he had to go with another device. Note you'd have to go the bluetooth route as HDX does not support OTG; usb port can only be used for charging and tethered communication.
Best attributes of this device are the crisp display, general responsiveness with a custom ROM and form factor for reading. Decent audio too. If you can work within that framework it makes a nice gizmo even by today's standards. Push it in another direction and things start to get ugly.
Davey126 said:
Not worth the effort given low cost alternatives. Several have tried including one guy who had a custom mount on his motorcycle is put in a full-fledged effort over several weeks. In the end he had to go with another device. Note you'd have to go the bluetooth route as HDX does not support OTG; usb port can only be used for charging and tethered communication.
Best attributes of this device are the crisp display, general responsiveness with a custom ROM and form factor for reading. Decent audio too. If you can work within that framework it makes a nice gizmo even by today's standards. Push it in another direction and things start to get ugly.
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No otg? Wow, did not realize that, wtf did they just go around de-soldering and pulling wires?
Here's what the Snapdragon 800 chipset supports that they left out
2x USB 3.0
Micro-AB USB OTG
GNSS (GPS and GLONASS)
Networking — gigabit Ethernet
2x SATA
HDMI
And now that my dreams have been crushed a new dream arises from the ashes, here's the snapdragon 810 version I found looking up the specs on the 800, looks like a killer dev for turning into a nas/media server..
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Intrinsyc DragonBoard 64-bit ARM development board technical specs:
SoC – Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 processor with 4x Cortex A57, 4x Cortex A53, Adreno 430 GPU and Hexagon v56 DSP
System Memory – 4GB LPDDR4 RAM
Storage – 16GB eMMC 5.0 flash + 2x SATA + 1 MicroSD card slot
Connectivity – Wi-Fi 802.11n/ac, Bluetooth 3.0/4.1, GNSS (GPS and GLONASS)
Video Output / Display I/F – HDMI, 1x MIPI dual 4-lane DSI + touch panel
USB – 2x USB 3.0 + 2x USB 2.0 + 1x USB 2.0 micro-AB
Camera I/F – 3x MIPI CSI with support for 3D camera configuration
Expansions
PCI Express Slot with support for Gigabit Ethernet card
4x Expansion headers for additional features, test, and debug
Davey126 said:
Best attributes of this device are the crisp display, general responsiveness with a custom ROM.
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I bricked the first one of these I had hard, first time ever I could not recover from a f'd up flash. So it's been a while, but I seem to remember getting root but not getting any further with the bootloader being locked, and no way to install custom recovery twrp/cyanogen??
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I bricked the first one of these I had hard, first time ever I could not recover from a f'd up flash. So it's been a while, but I seem to remember getting root but not getting any further with the bootloader being locked, and no way to install custom recovery twrp/cyanogen??
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Bootloader is now unlockable (has been for awhile); you can probably recover the "bricked" device if stuffed in a drawer somewhere. Battery deterioration is now the Achilles heel of these 2013-2014 vintage devices.
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scottfree1 said:
No otg? Wow, did not realize that, wtf did they just go around de-soldering and pulling wires?
Here's what the Snapdragon 800 chipset supports that they left out
2x USB 3.0
Micro-AB USB OTG
GNSS (GPS and GLONASS)
Networking — gigabit Ethernet
2x SATA
HDMI
And now that my dreams have been crushed a new dream arises from the ashes, here's the snapdragon 810 version I found looking up the specs on the 800, looks like a killer dev for turning into a nas/media server..
Intrinsyc DragonBoard 64-bit ARM development board technical specs...
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Be aware 810 equipped HDXs are 4th gen models that are unlockable and stuck on FireOS v5 (some builds can be rooted, albeit unstable).
Davey126 said:
Bootloader is now unlockable (has been for awhile); you can probably recover the "bricked" device if stuffed in a drawer somewhere. Battery deterioration is now the Achilles heel of these 2013-2014 vintage devices.
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Well it was bricked so hard you got nothing, no fire logo, no recovery literally a brick. I asked the company I bought it from if they had any idea how to fix it? Sure we know how to fix it, we're liquidating and we've got dozens of these laying around, just send it back and we'll replace it, well that "un-bricked" it no problem.
I see there is a new guide posted "How to root and unlock the HDX for noobies" last time I tried it was piecemeal with multiple boot/root/rom guides bouncing you all over the place, and in a I know better brain fart moment I followed a "delete file x" instruction when I know "rename file x" probably would have saved my ass.
And btw I remember why bt gps sharing with my phone didn't work, the frickin fire will not connect to my LG G3 with a "sorry you bt is not compatible message". But I found a work around (sort of). Setup my LG as a wifi hotspot and using gps tether, connected the fire with gps tether's "wifi hotspot" and enabled "Wifi NMEA". This ends up with "Receiving location updates" in the notifications, this gets me half way with Sygic finding it but not Waze
scottfree1 said:
Well it was bricked so hard you got nothing, no fire logo, no recovery literally a brick. I asked the company I bought it from if they had any idea how to fix it? Sure we know how to fix it, we're liquidating and we've got dozens of these laying around, just send it back and we'll replace it, well that "un-bricked" it no problem.
I see there is a new guide posted "How to root and unlock the HDX for noobies" last time I tried it was piecemeal with multiple boot/root/rom guides bouncing you all over the place, and in a I know better brain fart moment I followed a "delete file x" instruction when I know "rename file x" probably would have saved my ass.
And btw I remember why bt gps sharing with my phone didn't work, the frickin fire will not connect to my LG G3 with a "sorry you bt is not compatible message". But I found a work around (sort of). Setup my LG as a wifi hotspot and using gps tether, connected the fire with gps tether's "wifi hotspot" and enabled "Wifi NMEA". This ends up with "Receiving location updates" in the notifications, this gets me half way with Sygic finding it but not Waze
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There are two general approaches to unlocking a 3rd gen HDX bootloader (linked below). 1-Click is by far the easiest but requires a Linux or OSX host (Windows is not supported). The "noobie" thread is a nice complication of the 'manual' method complete with screen grabs and helpful guidance.
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I've read that the snapdragon 400 chip natively support GPS.
Is it possible to active it in a custom rom ?
doud1357 said:
I've read that the snapdragon 400 chip natively support GPS.
Is it possible to active it in a custom rom ?
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No, while the processor chip may have support for GPS, the watch does not have the required sensors needed to get a GPS lock and to feed data to the processor.
If the sensor was actually in the device? Certainly there would be a way to enable it with a custom ROM, but that still dictates that the sensor would need to be built into it.
doud1357 said:
I've read that the snapdragon 400 chip natively support GPS.
Is it possible to active it in a custom rom ?
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It means it natively has support for a GPS, it doesn't mean it has one embedded within the Snapdragon 400 SoC.
How about a portable gps reciever it's small and you can take with you. I have a nexus 6 and a LG G not GPS when I go for a run I have to take my phone to track my run could there be a way to bluetooth a GPS reciever to work with G watch. Like the way some people use there tablets and GPS same Idea?
What about Wi-Fi?
Many sites I follow are currently suggesting that the smartwatches powered by the Snapdragon 400 might have built in Wi-Fi antennas. The LG G Watch has a Snapdragon 400 APQ8026 but this SoC doesn't seem to have it. Can anyone confirm this?
matteo.gee said:
Many sites I follow are currently suggesting that the smartwatches powered by the Snapdragon 400 might have built in Wi-Fi antennas. The LG G Watch has a Snapdragon 400 APQ8026 but this SoC doesn't seem to have it. Can anyone confirm this?
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When I looked at the teardown, the radio chipset is solely BT 4.0 :\ no wifi hardware in sight. However while the SoC supports it, without the hardware, that support is useless. Sorry to say
I read the watches have wifi but no antennas. Is it that they actually have the needed hardware but lack the circuitry for an antenna? Maybe a hardmod? Or no?
player911 said:
I read the watches have wifi but no antennas. Is it that they actually have the needed hardware but lack the circuitry for an antenna? Maybe a hardmod? Or no?
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No. What you are reading is that they have the hardware to SUPPORT a wifi module (Some do actually only lack the antenna, however those will also lack drivers since the OEMs are not likely to make them). Not that there is one built into the SoC. As with the GPS above, even though your SoC supports something, doesn't mean it already has the hardware needed built into it.
@LittleLX: I actually attempted this and attempted to sideload a Bluetooth GPS receiver app to the watch, unfortunately because almost all of them use the Android ActionBar, it refused to start up. Android Wear is restricting applications to the swipe to dismiss action and forbidding the actionbar on versions of Android with Swipe to Dismiss on. That said, there is definitely room for this type of application to be developed for Android Wear, I had sideloaded CF.Lumen and ES File Manager, and while CF.Lumen doesn't open because of it's ActionBar, I had put together a tasker app factory app to attempt to play around and trigger (I had manually installed the CF.Lumen driver) it, it did show that it would work if I had been able to set up location services inside the app (choose the location for the automatic dimming..)
So Android Wear has potential to be a very powerful and extensible platform, developers just aren't interested in it yet it seems. We as a people seem to be stuck looking at a smartwatch as a watch rather than a wrist computer.
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Beelink/ROOFULL UBOX S812 ANDROID TV BOX
I am taking a long and pretty hard look at the latest generation of what is colloquially termed as TV Sticks AKA Smart Media Players. Before we get there, lets take a short history lesson to put us all in perspective.
TV STICK EVOLUTION -
The first generation pretty much consisted of devices based either around Arm Cortex-A9 or Amlogic's A9 processor. Those were single core and started typically with Android ICS (4.0.4) @1 GHz. They carried a small form factor, typically looking like a slightly larger USB drive. Tronsmart and Favi are among many some or little known manufacturers. Connectivity wise these typically only had Wireless connection and sometimes Bluetooth.
Then came second generation from the same manufacturers. Those are typically dual core devices with Cortex-A9 Dual core @1.5 GHz. Bluetooth is more common among these devices and so is RJ45 LAN Connector port. However this is led to a slightly larger form factor. MK808 based on Rocketchip RK3066 is one of the more popular in this class. Although I personally bracket the Chromecast into this category, I am very well aware, it does not run on Android and is more of a DLNA Client without original setup.
The 3rd generation has been introduced in last year or two. Those devices seriously focused on media delivery and hardware acceleration. In order to deliver home theatre experience, these devices focused HDMI 1080p Video and possibly DTS or Dolby surround sound. So you'd find hardware decoders plenty with these devices. Also in addition, serious effort is being put into GPU arena with bigger and better GPUs appearing as compared to the traditional phones and tablets with their tiny screens. Now these devices have fairly bigger canvas (as big as your tv), so a monster-house of a GPU is a distinct possibility.
However, more manufacturers and makers started to tap into this niche area and you will see an explosion of devices into this arena. Primary Processors, you are likely to see here are from Amlogic, Intel, Arm and Rockchip. However Arm Cortex A9 being a Juggernaut, Intel has decided to exit from this scene. So in short, we are seeing a multitude of devices now with each trying to find its own niche. They have taken different directions and the fact that there are quiet a few unbranded devices out there, our choice or decision for the right device has just become wholly complicated. Some of the good examples of 3rd generation are Minix X8H, Tronsmart Vega S89 and U Box S812, the device of this review.
DISCLAIMER - I want to clear some things up front. I was approached and offered this device for review. This was due in part to my work with the JASS Rom.
Since I follow XDA Code of Conduct, I have made every effort to provide honest, impartial and non-judgemental review of the device at hand. As you might imagine, I have done significant research into the field of Android TV sticks. And my intention is to combine review of the device with a review of this category of devices in general.
This Review is going to focus on Beelink UBox S812 4K device. There are quiet a few names for this device depending on which retailer/reseller you are looking at. However, the one I will be reviewing here looks like the picture in OP. The Package as I received was fairly compact. Came via DHL unlike Hongkong Post Office.
Packaging as shipped -
The packaging was pretty nice and the unit comes in a nice little package.
This actually turned out to be box within a box. Here is an actual side view for reference,
So the inner box is,
Inside this box happens to be the actual unit.
First Impressions -
It appears like you have all the necessary basics included in the package. Here's what we have.
The device has predictably larger form factor than the first generation Android Sticks. Its reminds me of Roku's form factor. It is understandable that the device is larger now with so many connectivity options as well as more powerful processor. Comparing to its predecessor, the UBOX S805 MXIII, you can see the form factors are fairly identical. The IR sensor for the remote is still up front. However, this time the blue/red power led is moved to be next to the IR Sensor and the power button is gone.
There are a set of connectivity options along the back with Power and HDMI(1080p) being Key features. There is RJ/45 to compliment Wireless Support for A/B/G/N. There is also A/V out as well as S/PDIF out as well for those who are interested. Along the right edge, we have additional ports. Those are USB OTG, two full size USB and one MicroSD slot. Giving ample choices for extended storage options. The two USB slots are particularly appreciated as one is likely taken by external device connectivity (Joystick/mouse/trackpad) leaving the other for USB Drives. Of course there's Bluetooth 4.0 as well so you can easily connect that way for peripherals. The S812 does come with a remote, which is not only intuitive, but also pretty handy and easy to use. Although I have a Favi Wireless Keyboard with track pad, I found myself relying more on the included remote.
Hardware and Software configuration -
The device runs of Android Kitkat 4.4.1 and it appears to be fairly Stock version with minimal bloat. There are some preinstalled apps that offer you access to Movies and apps and then there's Kodi. The unit I received has 1 GB Ram with 8 GB internal storage. There is a choice of getting 2GB Ram and 16 GB internal storage as well.
HARDWARE -
CPU: Amlogic S812 Quad Core 2.0 GHz
RAM: 1GB or 2GB option.
GPU: Mali-450 Storage: 8GB or 16GB
External Storage: Up to 32G via MicroSD.
Interface: Micro USB, OTG, HDMI, AV, RJ45,
WiFi: IEEE 802.11 b/g/n (2.5 Ghz only)
Bluetooth: Bluetooth 4.0
Hardware Decoders : H.265/AVC
Video Format: MKV, MPEG, RM, AVI, MVC, MP4, DAT, WMV, MPG
Audio Format: OGG, FLAC, MP3, RM, WMA, AAC, WAV
Photo Format: JPG
Power Supply: External Adapter with Dual support 110v/230v and 50 Hz/60 Hz
Other Features: Support Miracast / DLNA
In Depth Look -
Once Powered on, the S812 took approximately 10 to 12 seconds to go through the boot animation and present me with this home screen.
Of course they have a custom Launcher. Kind of looked like Windoz 8 home screen to me. Didn't like it very much for the convoluted way to add favourite apps to this screen. I am sure some might like it. Possibly its convenient to choose app with the included remote.
I didn't like it in SmartStick where I had included Apex Launcher in my Rom. Since I didn't like it, here in this case, I went poking under settings. Thankfully they had left Kitkat stock launcher alone and in the firmware. So I got this screen instead, which is an improvement.
I did change the wallpaper and add the Clock to the screen, but you get the idea. (So Kodi's included from the beginning ? That's nice.) Thank God for the Screenshot button! Also notice the Power Button. Let's take a look at what else we have here, hoping not much bloat.
Yeah not much bloat. There was one game in there for Catch Fish. I removed it before taking screenshot. Antutu and ES File Explorer are my additions. So next up, check to see if it is rooted or needs rooting. If my experience with other devices, is any indication, it would be pre-rooted. So I checked and yes it is! I had to install SuperSU, since the binary was old and there wasn't a gatekeeper. I had pushed the 2 Screenshot apps for this review. I guess redundant now. I had let my netflix account expire, so included app is of no use to me. But it will be handy to others.
PERFORMANCE -
I do however have Amazon Prime and played a movie from there. Apart from initial buffering, which is Amazon's doing, I did not have any interruptions whatsoever. I played the movie 1080p Full HD. No issues. It did support Dolby as well as DTS. So, that piece works as advertised. As I said, I removed the one game app and am not going to be playing any games on here. So Can't speak to that. You can see the Youtube video I have included bellow for that.
I did run AnTuTu Benchmark. Mixed bag of results.
Hmm. Not too bad. Here's how it stacks up to other Comparable devices.
Notice it says Unverified. Per AnTuTu's Clarification, that indicates some tweaking by manufacturer to beat AnTuTu's benchmarking tools. So take it with a pinch of salt.
Under the hood tweaking -
So me being me, and that the audience is android savvy, I did what any of us do. Went looking at what kernel is supporting that can boost the actual performance even better. Say hello to [APP][ROOT] Trickster MOD [Kernel Settings]!
Looking under the hood, I see that the kernel supports, two TCP/IP Compression Algorithms, Cubic and Reno. Of these, cubic a default. That's a decent choice too. I found, that the buffering if any was reduced with cubic over WiFi. This factor is particularly important that with Full HD streaming, you have to have best network throughput or you will see buffering. Although cubic was better for me, your mileage may very.
As far as Governors and Schedulers are concerned, there are two choices for scheduler, cfq and Row. Cfq is default. For governers, we have more choices, HotPlug, Ondemand and Performance. I found that performance governor was bit unstable and the S812 kept shutting down intermittently. Ondemand on the other hand, increased the overall AnTuTu score. So I'd stick with it. Although it is possible to use any of these governors for the GPU as well, I personally don't prefer to do it. Since we are not trying to save battery here, I don't even want to talk about undervolting.
Oh and if you are looking for a refresher or a crash course on these governor names and scheduler names, then look at the Overclock and undervolt link in my signature for reference.
Other Items Of Interest -
It seems that there is flashable firmware to be found here with Flash Tool to be had here. I can mirror those google host links myself as well.
Custom Rom Development -
My search for the Source continues. Bee-Link ignored my email.
Video Review -
The following is not mine but with the myrid confusion of devices, I wanted to point out that it comes fairly close. Do understand that the case is different in this case. We don't have the Full SD card slot on the side but have usb ports and microsd slot as discussed above. But gives pretty good idea otherwise. The video is in Spanish but youtube can translate English subtitles.
Thank you for the review. The illusion on the box is so funny :laugh:.
Could it passthrough DTS or Dolby surround sound to receiver?
My Review is still in progress. I will be finishing it in a day or two. To answer your question, yes certainly possible to pass the sound. I'd recommend to do so out of your TV as much as possible.
Here's my device! (Ubox S812 2GB / 8GB version)
This is not Beelink MXIII Plus?
114K4 was installed at the factory. I had hoped to arrive in 4.4.4, but it is at least 4.4.2.
I upgraded the 116K4, but still stutters sometimes bounces sound (HDMI output). I was hoping to help you, but not. There is a new firmware for the device?
A few more questions:
- What alternative Launcher you recommend it?
- Xbox 360 Controller (USB) is used by someone? Native mode works simulators and fps, other games do not. App was not found him. ;(
Thank you!
tomimidi said:
Here's my device! (Ubox S812 2GB / 8GB version)
This is not Beelink MXIII Plus?
114K4 was installed at the factory. I had hoped to arrive in 4.4.4, but it is at least 4.4.2.
I upgraded the 116K4, but still stutters sometimes bounces sound (HDMI output). I was hoping to help you, but not. There is a new firmware for the device?
A few more questions:
- What alternative Launcher you recommend it?
- Xbox 360 Controller (USB) is used by someone? Native mode and unfortunately FPS simulator works. App was not found him.
Thank you!
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I have linked the firmware I have. Not sure if that's what you have. This device IS NOT MXIII Plus. What was the type of media you were playing when sound stuttered ?
I haven't used XBOX Controller. But it should be possible to use.
Perseus said:
I have linked the firmware I have. Not sure if that's what you have. This device IS NOT MXIII Plus. What was the type of media you were playing when sound stuttered ?
I haven't used XBOX Controller. But it should be possible to use.
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But all the same parameter as MXIII plus. The PCB should MXIII about the photo. I think it is NetXeon.
Xbox 360 controller can be used, but only with that support. Not all programs will be recognized.
Not the movie, but the menu stepping sometimes come up with a strong voice crackling. Similarly a blank white noise. The input switching disappear.
Thanks for the extensive review. I do have a question:
Does it supports connecting an external Hard Drive and if so, does it supports a 3TB hard drive and how do I search its contents?
Many thanks,
Ice
Ice_machinE said:
Thanks for the extensive review. I do have a question:
Does it supports connecting an external Hard Drive and if so, does it supports a 3TB hard drive and how do I search its contents?
Many thanks,
Ice
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There are 2 USB Ports for this purpose. Those are mounted into /storage/xxxx Partition. You can use any File Explorer program such as ES File Explorer to navigate to that directory. The same program will allow you to search as well.
I am not sure if it supports up to 3 TB Storage. I'd think Kitkat does. So give it a try.
Thanks, if like to be sure before I'd buy it. I wouldn't want to buy it and only then to discover that I can't use my hard drive.
Ice_machinE said:
Thanks, if like to be sure before I'd buy it. I wouldn't want to buy it and only then to discover that I can't use my hard drive.
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I have a Passport 2 TB. If you want I can try that with my unit to see if it reads.
I'd love that, thx
Ice_machinE said:
I'd love that, thx
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Ok will revert.
EDIT - @Ice_machinE My passport connected flawlessly. I didn't test a lot but played one mp3 song off it. The drive mounts into /storage/ExteSD/sdo
Just remind me, is it 3TB or 2TB hard drive?
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Just remind me, is it 3TB or 2TB hard drive?
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2 TB. But then its my assumption that 3 TB won't be any different. Android would be able to mount the partition if FSTAB is set to mount one.
thanks, I've ordered the box
Perseus said:
2 TB. But then its my assumption that 3 TB won't be any different. Android would be able to mount the partition if FSTAB is set to mount one.
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thx, with your help, i've made a decision and ordered the box
Hello everyone,
I have a Erisin S2046B in my 2001 BMW E46 and found information, that the RK3188 has several external buses which are partly currently not used in the device. Being an electrical engineer and having some projects in my mind which require some sort of external communication to e.g. microcontrollers, I would like to make use of them.
Did anyone go through the effort to use one of these interfaces?
I read in the sound processor thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/and.../mtc-sound-controlling-bd37xxx-sound-t3234660), that I2C is used there but only limited information on what is done exactly, as it is just a matter of reconnecting the bus lines from the mcu to the rk3188.
I'm not quite sure, if this is the right section, but I would not really consider this "software development". Anyway, if one finds it inappropriate, I would kindly ask a mod to move it to another section
This is great, hopefully it's with guys like yourself tinkering away at these devices we end up with a how new sub-section of interesting mods that can be done for those that like to take stock and improve on it..
Bookmarked for reading as you go through this ... Look forward to some.positive outcomes...
@LC4T, can you be more clear as to what do you plan to achieve? It is no problem to attach another slave (or more) to existing I2C bus, as this bus is a multi-slave in its nature. There's no need to find any interfaces not in use, you are free to use existing, well known one.
As I already mentioned in my posting, I personally plan to connect an external microcontroller and exchange data between the µC and the RK3188. As I don't want to fit the circuitry inside the erisin enclosure, I2C is not the preferable solution.
The principle of I2C and its architecture is known to me, I have already build hardware using I2C But as the existing I2C bus is already connected to at least one slave device, I would be careful with hooking up another one without knowing exactly, what's happening on the bus already. Worst case would be to make the whole existing system unstable. I'd rather use SPI oder UART for my purpose.
In general, this thread should not be seen limited to my intentional use but some sort of collection of information on which buses are present, usable and in use - knowledge base style, so to speak
What's the first solution that comes to your mind when you think of doing something interesting with your I2C?
Some of these units do CANBUS. I'm not sure if there is separate hardware in them or just hookups.
I plan on installing an engine block heater (webasto thermo top c). With the universal wiring kit and control unit, you're only able to set three starting times with a fixed heating time. Additional control units for remote control are quite limited in range and functionality, the "cheap ones" (~200€) only offer "start" and "stop" with the only feedback if the command reached the unit being a blinking led, the ones with the ability to set the starting time from the distance (they claim it works up to 1km depending on the building density) is 350€... There are also GSM units available but also quite expensive and with few functions.
So including a microcontroller would fix all that
If I got it right, the CAN unit is a standalone device, that only decodes relevant data (e.g. gearbox in reverse), so no communication with the android device itself
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I plan on installing an engine block heater (webasto thermo top c). With the universal wiring kit and control unit, you're only able to set three starting times with a fixed heating time. Additional control units for remote control are quite limited in range and functionality, the "cheap ones" (~200€) only offer "start" and "stop" with the only feedback if the command reached the unit being a blinking led, the ones with the ability to set the starting time from the distance (they claim it works up to 1km depending on the building density) is 350€... There are also GSM units available but also quite expensive and with few functions.
So including a microcontroller would fix all that
If I got it right, the CAN unit is a standalone device, that only decodes relevant data (e.g. gearbox in reverse), so no communication with the android device itself
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I believe there are can bus controllers for that device.
You could take a look at IOIO-OTG boards. it might offer some features.
You can make your own can bus for the devices you want to control and use available can bus adapters.
If you're talking about the webasto heater, yes, there are control units with CAN functionality but they are OEM specific (e.g. VW/Audi, Mercedes, BMW,...) and not universal. Also, adding just another interface is not what I intended to do when there are several of them, mostly unused already available
Again: I don't want to use this thread for my specific problem but as a general thread on using the interfaces already present in the unit
LC4T said:
If you're talking about the webasto heater, yes, there are control units with CAN functionality but they are OEM specific (e.g. VW/Audi, Mercedes, BMW,...) and not universal. Also, adding just another interface is not what I intended to do when there are several of them, mostly unused already available
Again: I don't want to use this thread for my specific problem but as a general thread on using the interfaces already present in the unit
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Sure. Sure. I like the idea of tapping into the onboard hardware, but it might be good to talk about the limitations and optimal use cases for doing so.
For your case I think you can solve your need without tapping in if the objective is to get it working quickly. If the geek factor is more important then its a moot point.
You could probably tap in using something like this:
sandboxelectronics.com/?product=active-i2c-long-cable-extender-p82b715-module
That might help cut down on noise if you want to run it around the car.
Here's my thoughts.
If you need to control some external DIY device, you need to go with USB ports, which are already available in our devices.
They are just designed to communicate with external world, opposite to I2C or SPI, which are designed for in-system communications only.
Here we have two options:
1. Use native USB communication:
On the headunit side - libusb library which is well-known in Linux world. It might even happen that it is already compiled into the kernel (need to check); otherwise, a libusb.ko module needs to be compiled and loaded.
Nowadays there are many microcontrollers with USB onboard for direct use; and even simpliest MCUs like AVR attiny/atmega can use USB via V-USB library (I've done some just-for-fun projects with it).
2. Use a cheap USB-Serial converter to get a new serial port on a headunit's side. On the MCU side, you'll get a standard UART, which is much simplier than USB for MCU programming.
And returning to your @LC4T idea.
Are you planning to use head unit only as a control panel for your device, so that you only need a big touch screen with a nice UI to set up your externa DIY device, then go off letting that device to work alone? Don't you plan having your head unit always turned on to track time and on/off your heater? Because latter solution is really bad, as our head units are very power hungry.
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Here's my thoughts.
If you need to control some external DIY device, you need to go with USB ports, which are already available in our devices.
They are just designed to communicate with external world, opposite to I2C or SPI, which are designed for in-system communications only.
Here we have two options:
1. Use native USB communication:
On the headunit side - libusb library which is well-known in Linux world. It might even happen that it is already compiled into the kernel (need to check); otherwise, a libusb.ko module needs to be compiled and loaded.
Nowadays there are many microcontrollers with USB onboard for direct use; and even simpliest MCUs like AVR attiny/atmega can use USB via V-USB library (I've done some just-for-fun projects with it).
2. Use a cheap USB-Serial converter to get a new serial port on a headunit's side. On the MCU side, you'll get a standard UART, which is much simplier than USB for MCU programming.
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The IOIO OTG solution gets you here plus there are established libraries etc.
github.com/ytai/ioio/wiki
The OTG version allows it to be powered from the host also. That could make it easy to develop and move around.
github.com/ytai/ioio/wiki/Getting-To-Know-The-IOIO-OTG-Board
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The IOIO OTG solution gets you here plus there are established libraries etc.
github.com/ytai/ioio/wiki
The OTG version allows it to be powered from the host also. That could make it easy to develop and move around.
github.com/ytai/ioio/wiki/Getting-To-Know-The-IOIO-OTG-Board
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From $20 for the board on AliExpress to almost $40 elsewhere? No, thanks These guys want too much for their solution. This is the price of a Raspberry PI, a complete computer.
For that price, I would prefer putting a Raspberry under dashboard, connect with WiFi, for example, and have much more flexibility than gives the IOIO.
As to IOIO - as a prototyping board it might be useful, but not for a well-finished DIY project based on a single cheap MCU with a minimum of components, where total cost of it would be much lower than cost of that board.
It is like using ATmega256-based Arduino boards for the purpose of watching a button and blinking a LED, where the $0.5 worth ATtiny13 is an overhead.
Such a boards are probably good for Hackaton events, where you have to show something working after a few hours of quick-and-dirty work, but not for thoroughly designed DIY project.
Depends on how much you value your time and what an existing product offers you for your solution. Many people aren't as price sensitive. I certainly wasn't suggesting the IOIO as the only solution, but for an open ended or more generic solution to get hardware support external to the head unit is generally fits the bill. Established libs for interacting saves some time. Nice bunch of people put it together and there have been some fun projects.
Like I mentioned before, it might be a good idea to discuss what the objective would be to adding smart hardware in the solution through, I2C, USB, bluetooth, wifi or whatever. I think the OP is looking to discuss the general idea and not super specific solutions that might lead a person to pic a very specific ic and com. Well, I know that was the purpose because the OP has redirected me to the point.
You bring up a good point though. You say you would rather put Pi under the dash. I would also for controlling things. In fact Pi or some duino realtime solution is always going to be better for interacting with an auto. This is especially the case when the purpose might be controlling something that is powered like a motor or something life critical. At this point though we are not talking about android or these head units. You are talking about perhaps the method of communication between two systems. Not really for this forum.
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I'd like to have more input/output trigger wires for events. We have a backup wire, but I'd like more for other things. An example might be to support a passenger side view camera. Sure, there are ways to hack it in by switching the backup video input, but that's a simple example. Power on a wire sends an event in android on the unit.
Do we have GPIO possibility on any of these units?
CanBus via Uart?
Does anyone know how the CanBus connection works? My MTCB Unit came with an adapter box which turns some messages into external signals (like illumination, reverse), but also seems to forward messages via serial into my Head Unit. At least that's how i guess that the steering wheel buttons are working.
Now, there are some messages that i wish to interpret and send, and also some i would interpret different. My idea was to get some kind of filter (maybe software, maybe a dedicated micro controller) in between the CanBus adapter and the service on my head unit. But right now, i have no idea how to verify my understanding of the setup, since no tty device on the HU seems to directly reflect my button presses. There's one, that pours out something unreadable on key press, but this also does it if i touch the screen, so i guess that's not the CanBus adapter itself.
I suspect that the information in already interpret before it gets into the android system, and only the relevant messages are forwarded, or even pre-processed. I suspect that the only way to get to the signals is to listen on the CanBus adapters RX/TX lines, and maybe finally put an microcontroller in between. If unlucky, the adapter might also filter out messages before i can get them, and i need to access the CanBus directly.
htt p://i.imgur.com/P1QzXta.jpg?1 << CanBus Adapter
I would appreciate any hints on this topic, especially information on the CanBus Adapter.
From what I can see on the PCB and I have read about the can adapter:
The adapter itself only interprets data from either can bus or analog signals and forwards them to the android unit via some sort of serial interface, most probably UART. As you have almost no way to get an inside look into the software running on the microcontroller, I would suggest to design a seperate device, that way you can be 100% sure to get all the messages and filter yourself.
I ordered some can bus adapters to see what i can read. Maybe i will first have a look into the data on the serial line when i finished moving house and had time to unpack my gear
I have a can bus HU, when i listen to the radio or music player, i haven't information on display of my car (CLK MERCEDES). I read the new units have dual can bus and information of radio appears on car display. Ther's a way to modify my HU to dual can bus? I have to change a can bus decoder? My can bus decoder is B200.
Regards
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.... There's no need to find any interfaces not in use, you are free to use existing, well known one.
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Well known interfaces - that's the keyword.
For example I would like to output current FM-frequency, radio station name, song title to the existing (factory) FIS display in a car. Via CAN bus, because the display talks CAN.
Now I would at least have to know which units have CAN capability.
Yes, I could go the USB to RS232 to CAN dasy-chain-adapter route, but I consider that all but a clean solution
Oskar
Introduction
Together with many other Android Mini PCs, also Minix decided to release an up-to-date device with many interesting features, most of them exclusive from this Company. This is an huge upgrade of their previous Minix X8-H Plus, only the Chassis hasn’t been redesigned.
This is the Minix NEO U1 Media Hub
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Unboxing
Most of you will receive two packages when you order it, the Minix NEO U1 Package and the Minix A2 Lite (Air Mouse/Keyboard) package.
NEO U1 package comes with many accessories: 1x HDMI Cable, 1x Power Supply (5V/3A), 1x WiFi Antenna, 1x Micro-USB Cable, 1x Micro-USB OTG Cable, 1x Remote Control (no Air Mouse), 1x Multi-Language Setup Guide, 1x Product Brochure and the Mini PC (of course).
No Air Mouse/Keyboard is included in the main package, but the Minix A2 Lite Air Mouse/Keyboard is provided separately without any Extra Cost. Just two different packages.
The NEO A2 Lite is absolutely a great Air Mouse/Keyboard, it feels pretty Solid and it doesn’t weight much too. I just don’t like the noise produced when Keys are pressed, unlike standard Remote Controls. It works also on other devices such as standard Desktop PCs or anything else that has a USB Port and supports Mouse/Keyboard input.
Device
About Design, the Chassis is plastic made and it has a kind of rubberized surface, this is what makes the device look so opaque. Heat Dissipation isn’t impacted though, so don’t worry even if this isn’t made of Metal.
It is as compact as most of all Mini PCs, just 12.8x12.8x2.3 and it is also lightweight enough.
As specified before, the whole surface (except the lower side) is kind of rubberized. On the Upper Side there is just a big brand logo (pretty cool, not printed), nothing else. Absolutely clean.
On the front side there is the IR Receiver (required to use the included Remote Control) and a Blue Power LED.
On the left, there is just 1x Wi-Fi Antenna Connector but the Second Antenna is internal, fixed to the upper side of the chassis. (2x2 RX/TX Wi-Fi Adapter)
On the right, there are 3x Standard USB 2.0 Ports, 1x micro SD Card slot, 1x Kensington Lock, 1x Micro-USB Connector (used for OTG or to connect the device to a PC) and a Power Button.
USB Ports are well designed here, you won’t have any kind of problem even with big USB Sticks. Well Done Minix!
The rear features separate Headphone/Microphone Jacks (like PCs), 1x HDMI port, 1x SPDIF port, 1x LAN 10/100/1000 port (Yes, Gigabit Ethernet), and 1x 5.5mm DC in.
On the lower side there isn’t anything at all, absolutely clean.
Testing
Using latest available System Software, I didn’t managed to find any performance issue. Android is always smooth, it doesn’t hang at all neither it feels extremely customized so that Stock Android experience would have been somehow impacted. It is just AOSP, with minor customization required to use the Mini PC in the best way possible, nothing extra except the Minix Launcher & Settings. There are also some third-party apps installed such as ES File Manager. Not a lot though.
Minix Settings app is complete and comfortable to use. Nearly required if you plan to use only the Remote Control.
If you don’t like Minix Settings, or if you need something that is missing, you can still open the Standard Android Settings.
The built-in Wi-Fi Adapter is super fast; it supports 2x2 config. so I managed to get connected to my 5GHz Home Network (using a Netgear R6300v2) at nearly maximum speed even if signal wasn’t extremely good. I don’t have a super fast internet connection, so I won’t be able to show you an useful speed test, but I can just say the results weren’t different than the ones recorded on my Desktop PC.
This device is powered by an Amlogic S905 CPU supported by an ARM Mali-450MP GPU. Even if the GPU isn’t a last-gen version, it still performs pretty well. I’ll talk about performance on next paragraph.
Latest available OTA Update is based still based on Android 5.1 Lollipop, maybe in the future it will be update to Android 6.0 Marshmallow or even better Android N, but I think that there isn’t any need yet to upgrade it.
I have tested some USB Sticks, and all were recognized without any compatibility issue. This is a test with a 64GB USB Stick formatted with NTFS File System.
Benchmarks
I have used 3DMark (Ice Storm, Ice Storm Unlimited, Ice Storm Extreme), A1 SD Bench, Antutu Benchmark, Antutu Video Tester (for Video Playback), Epic Citadel, GeekBench 3, AndroBench, PCMark (Work) and Vellamo (Browser & CPU Tests) to stress the device to the limit. I won’t test Games or Video Playback because there are already some related tests included in these Benchmark suites.
3DMark
Ice Storm
Ice Storm Unlimited
Ice Storm Extreme
Almost all Tests managed to reach more or less 30 FPS, the minimum limit required for a smooth Gaming experience, so it is pretty good considering that the built-in GPU isn’t extremely powerful.
A1 SD Bench & AndroBench – Internal eMMC performance is mediocre, not so much fast but neither so much slow. Powerful enough for an Android Mini-PC.
Antutu Benchmark – Result nearly equal to other CPUs with 4x Cortex-A53. As you can see 3D is the lower score. This is where the age of GPU can have a negative impact.
GeekBench – I must admit that there is something wrong for sure because the score is lower than other worse CPUs (no throttling here, the device was cold) so I think that built-in kernel needs to be optimized a lot to get the maximum from this nice CPU. Minix, take a look at this benchmark’s score.
Epic Citadel – As you can see, Gaming experience won’t be impacted even if the built-in GPU is old, you can enjoy your games without any issue at all.
PCMark – Decent score here, you can use this device also for Office & Web apps in the best way possible.
Vellamo – This is another complete BenchMark Suite, as you can see Browser performance is near to Nexus 5, i’m pretty sure that this will be improved with the next updates. CPU Performance (Single & Multi) is again, similar to Nexus 5, and as I said before, Minix should work a bit on the Kernel to improve CPU performance.
Browser
CPU
Antutu Video Tester – Used to test Video Playback capabilities. All types of Videos are played without any issue, neither there is any compatibility issue. It seems that Minix has optimized this device especially for Video Playback. (“Media Hub” says all)
Kodi (ex KBMC) – I know, this isn’t a Benchmark Suite but I have tested it (it was also preinstalled) to see if it is working in a smooth way in order to use this device as a Media Center, and I can say that it is as smooth as it is on my Desktop PC.
Conclusions
Well, it is hard to say if this is something that you should buy or not, because the not-so-good GPU Performance and the low CPU Performance related to poor Kernel optimization don’t offer the performance that you would expect, but actually it is hard to find a better ARM-Based Mini PC. This is one of the most complete available and offers continuous Manufacturer OTA Updates (unlike some other Chinese Brands), so...do I recommend it?
The reply is: Yes, unless you want to spend almost 4x the price of this device to build your own HTPC or you prefer an x86 Mini PC with Windows.
Official Specs
Rating: 8.5
Packaging and Accessories: 10
Design and Materials: 8
Performance and Heat Dissipation: 7.5
Software: 9
Price: 8 (based on Amazon.it price)
You can find full-res images (I know, Quality isn't excellent) here: http://imgur.com/a/CBAIT
Official Website: http://minix.com.hk/en/products/neo-u1
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Thanks for your review.
Minix is the best TV box brand, and Amlogic SoC is the best TV Box solution from my opinion.
20160415 OTA Update has been released with some nice improvements. Remember to update your Mini PC
If you have modified your device and you are now facing issues, just follow this post on the Official Minix forum to restore it: http://www.minixforum.com/threads/neo-u1-full-system-image-reflashing-guide.10046/
Hi guys,
I would like to know if this player could do audio (and HD audio) passthrough.
I want to connect the player to my AVR and get DD, DTS, TrueHD, and DTS HD audio. Is it possible?
Thanks in advance.
pel
pel.hu said:
Hi guys,
I would like to know if this player could do audio (and HD audio) passthrough.
I want to connect the player to my AVR and get DD, DTS, TrueHD, and DTS HD audio. Is it possible?
Thanks in advance.
pel
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Source: cnx-software
I have a question for you all, have you tried to use native 3D format on this device?
Hi Guys
I'm a Neo U1 owner here.
I've been checking the interwebz and would just like to know your opinion on the xbox 360 - genuine and non genuine AND wireless and wired - controllers.
Can anyone assist me or just give me some info
Thanks
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Hi Guys
I'm a Neo U1 owner here.
I've been checking the interwebz and would just like to know your opinion on the xbox 360 - genuine and non genuine AND wireless and wired - controllers.
Can anyone assist me or just give me some info
Thanks
Toufinious said:
Hi Guys
I'm a Neo U1 owner here.
I've been checking the interwebz and would just like to know your opinion on the xbox 360 - genuine and non genuine AND wireless and wired - controllers.
Can anyone assist me or just give me some info
Thanks
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You mean how they work with the NEO U1?
Alberto96 said:
You mean how they work with the NEO U1?
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yup .
Just got back from the Minixforums and it seems that any old wired xbox 360 controller will work (that is genuine and "generic")
as for wireless controllers... it seems that the genuine Microsoft wireless receiver is required in order for it to work
Hi... I m Minix neo U1 user. How to root minix neo u1? Because i used droidmote server, and need root acces. Anyone help... Please... Thanks
yoesazel said:
Hi... I m Minix neo U1 user. How to root minix neo u1? Because i used droidmote server, and need root acces. Anyone help... Please... Thanks
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Test this
http://freaktab.com/forum/tv-player...tools-au/543706-root-minix-neo-u1-root-method
or
http://freaktab.com/forum/tv-player...ols-au/544002-new-minix-u1-ez-root-zip-method
Minix NEO U1
Bigjazz2016 said:
Test this
http://freaktab.com/forum/tv-player...tools-au/543706-root-minix-neo-u1-root-method
or
http://freaktab.com/forum/tv-player...ols-au/544002-new-minix-u1-ez-root-zip-method
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Thanks for your answer sir... I already try this method. thats is for root Minix U1 doesn't Minix NEO U1? Sorry If i mistakes... Thanks alot
yoesazel said:
Thanks for your answer sir... I already try this method. thats is for root Minix U1 doesn't Minix NEO U1? Sorry If i mistakes... Thanks alot
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Minix U1 and Minix Neo U1 are the same device
Bigjazz2016 said:
Minix U1 and Minix Neo U1 are the same device
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Ok Sir... I will try.... Thanks for you info
Hello guys,
I was wondering if someone could help me with finding the right way to watch live TV on this box.
I was wondering what people use / recommend. I prefer a user friendly app / emulator.... that my kinds can use without needing help.
Thanks in advance
foxy6800 said:
Hello guys,
I was wondering if someone could help me with finding the right way to watch live TV on this box.
I was wondering what people use / recommend. I prefer a user friendly app / emulator.... that my kinds can use without needing help.
Thanks in advance
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There are tons of options..Kodi being the best along with Terrarium TV, and SET TV....google and you tube would prob be the easiest...none of these will be easy for a kid to navigate through though more than likely.
Hi Again Guys... I already done rooted my minix neo u1. Now i want install fiver4android in minix... Any solution to do that? because i already try, and viper4android cannot run properly. Always ask to install drivers, even i already done install that drivers. Anyone help me... Pleaseee... Thanks ( FW 013, rooted, superuser, busybox already there)
I've got the 8" version and I noticed that when I connect a bluetooth headphone or speaker the wifi slow down to less than 1 mbps while playing music or video. Can anyone test if it's a common problem or is it just my unit?
Thanks.
PD: sorry for my english if I made any mistakes.
ZunsheV said:
I've got the 8" version and I noticed that when I connect a bluetooth headphone or speaker the wifi slow down to less than 1 mbps while playing music or video. Can anyone test if it's a common problem or is it just my unit?
Thanks.
PD: sorry for my english if I made any mistakes.
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I don't own the MediaPad M5, but i have a MediaPad M3, and it does indeed have the same problem. I was wondering about getting an M5, but if it have the same problem, i am a little skeptical.
The-bimse said:
I don't own the MediaPad M5, but i have a MediaPad M3, and it does indeed have the same problem. I was wondering about getting an M5, but if it have the same problem, i am a little skeptical.
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Well as WiFi and Bluetooth use the same frequencies there is always an interference between them especially if you have two streams in parallel (downloading the music file and transmitting to the head phones). You could try to use 5GHz for WiFi in that case Bluetooth should not be affected.
AndDiSa said:
Well as WiFi and Bluetooth use the same frequencies there is always an interference between them especially if you have two streams in parallel (downloading the music file and transmitting to the head phones). You could try to use 5GHz for WiFi in that case Bluetooth should not be affected.
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This isn't a minor interference, it makes wifi almost useless. Less than 1 mbps of download speed, latency increases and sometimes it doesn't even work at all. I did this speed test right next to the router while playing a song:
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With bluetooth on it is impossible to stream a video without constantly buffering. I did the same test on my phone and my laptop and both are ok. My router doesn't support 5 GHz, but I read that it doesn't fix the problem for people with the same issue on other devices.
Edit: And don't forget that this tablet doesn't have a 3.5 mm headphone jack (a really stupid decision if you ask me), so it push you to go wireless and this is what you get.........
I have the m5 10" version and I have the same. About 0.5MB at a 5Ghz network while listening to some music. Get around 5-10MB with Bluetooth disabled.
taldershof said:
I have the m5 10" version and I have the same. About 0.5MB at a 5Ghz network while listening to some music. Get around 5-10MB with Bluetooth disabled.
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It's not just my unit then, must be a bad design of the antennas or whatever I guess, great. Because I don't think it could be fixed with a software update, right?
This is unacceptable to me, I'm going to return it. Now the problem is what tablet buy next. What other choices are there? IPad, I don't like Apple; Samsung Tab S2 is kinda old; S3 too expensive...... damn it.
AndDiSa said:
Well as WiFi and Bluetooth use the same frequencies there is always an interference between them especially if you have two streams in parallel (downloading the music file and transmitting to the head phones). You could try to use 5GHz for WiFi in that case Bluetooth should not be affected.
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I have the M3 and just tried it. With Bluetooth on I get less than 1 mbps down while streaming, just under 5 mbps with no streaming. With Bluetooth off I get 155 down on my 5ghz wifi. Damn. I usually use my phone for music.
The mediapad M3 has this issue also, it just crawls when using wifi and Bluetooth.
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This is not device specific. This is a bluetooth WiFi general problem. The 2.4 GHz frequency
radaan said:
This is not device specific. This is a bluetooth WiFi general problem. The 2.4 GHz frequency
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Have you read all the replies? You couldn't be more wrong:
taldershof said:
I have the m5 10" version and I have the same. About 0.5MB at a 5Ghz network while listening to some music. Get around 5-10MB with Bluetooth disabled.
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purple lady said:
I have the M3 and just tried it. With Bluetooth on I get less than 1 mbps down while streaming, just under 5 mbps with no streaming. With Bluetooth off I get 155 down on my 5ghz wifi. Damn. I usually use my phone for music.
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ZunsheV said:
[...] I did the same test on my phone and my laptop and both are ok. [...]
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I appreciate that you're trying to help, but come on, don't write the first thing that comes to your mind without checking the facts....
ZunsheV said:
Have you read all the replies? You couldn't be more wrong:
I appreciate that you're trying to help, but come on, don't write the first thing that comes to your mind without checking the facts....
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Just do one Google search. I have 3 devices. Google nexus 10. Oneplus 3 and the mediapad m5. All have the same problem when using bluetooth devices in various routers in various network providers in various houses. This is a problem that thousands of People have asked all over Internet, in Android in ios in Windows Phone. Im not saying nothing that Comes out of my mind.google it before you call me out.
radaan said:
Just do one Google search. I have 3 devices. Google nexus 10. Oneplus 3 and the mediapad m5. All have the same problem when using bluetooth devices in various routers in various network providers in various houses. This is a problem that thousands of People have asked all over Internet, in Android in ios in Windows Phone. Im not saying nothing that Comes out of my mind.google it before you call me out.
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Ok, I'll give you some numbers.
Huawei M5 playing a song through bluetooth:
M5 bluetooth off (I know, my internet connection sucks):
Nexus 5x playing a song through bluetooth:
Nexus 5x bluetooth off:
Can you see the difference??
I know that if a lot of devices are connected at the same frequencies there is going to be interferences and the speed is going to drop (notice the minor hit in the Nexus). But the case with the M5 is not normal, must be a bad design. It makes wifi almost useless. And there are 2 replies that have test it in a 5 GHz wifi and the problem persist.
ZunsheV said:
Ok, I'll give you some numbers.
Huawei M5 playing a song through bluetooth:
M5 bluetooth off (I know, my internet connection sucks):
Nexus 5x playing a song through bluetooth:
Nexus 5x bluetooth off:
Can you see the difference??
I know that if a lot of devices are connected at the same frequencies there is going to be interferences and the speed is going to drop (notice the minor hit in the Nexus). But the case with the M5 is not normal, must be a bad design. It makes wifi almost useless. And there are 2 replies that have test it in a 5 GHz wifi and the problem persist.
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Man. I gave up bluetooth headphones a long time ago. Just search the internets for this problem. You have enough to a week. The general answer for this question is change router channel or get a 5ghz router.
radaan said:
Man. I gave up bluetooth headphones a long time ago. Just search the internets for this problem. You have enough to a week. The general answer for this question is change router channel or get a 5ghz router.
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Again?? Did you not read that a 5 GHz router doesn't fix it? This thing is broken.
Give up bluetooth headphones on a device that doesn't have a 3.5 mm jack, great. And no, that stupid usb to jack adaptor it's not a proper solution to a problem that shouldn't even exist in the first place.
The tablet is going back to the store next week.
ZunsheV said:
Again?? Did you not read that a 5 GHz router doesn't fix it? This thing is broken.
Give up bluetooth headphones on a device that doesn't have a 3.5 mm jack, great. And no, that stupid usb to jack adaptor it's not a proper solution to a problem that shouldn't even exist in the first place.
The tablet is going back to the store next week.
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Again. Google it. Its not a problem related to this device. Its all over the internet. Every OS and lots of devices. Maybe some devices dont suffer as much from the problem but this is definitely not a problem related exclusively to this device.
https://www.google.pt/search?q=blue...ndroid-huawei&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
ZunsheV said:
Again?? Did you not read that a 5 GHz router doesn't fix it? This thing is broken.
Give up bluetooth headphones on a device that doesn't have a 3.5 mm jack, great. And no, that stupid usb to jack adaptor it's not a proper solution to a problem that shouldn't even exist in the first place.
The tablet is going back to the store next week.
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Oneplus 3 Just Now. With and without bluetooth device connected.
radaan said:
Oneplus 3 Just Now. With and without bluetooth device connected.
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Oneplus 5 just now. With Bluetooth device connected 124 down 12 up. With Bluetooth device connected and streaming 134 down 12 up.
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purple lady said:
Oneplus 5 just now. With Bluetooth device connected 124 down 12 up. With Bluetooth device connected and streaming 134 down 12 up.
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I just realized that I didn't test with no Bluetooth.
No Bluetooth - 160 down 12 up
Bluetooth device connected - 170 down 12 up
Bluetooth device connected and streaming - 168 down 12 up.
It looks like Bluetooth improves download speed. ?
radaan said:
Again. Google it. Its not a problem related to this device. Its all over the internet. Every OS and lots of devices. Maybe some devices dont suffer as much from the problem but this is definitely not a problem related exclusively to this device.
https://www.google.pt/search?q=blue...ndroid-huawei&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
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Unbelievable..... Last time I reply to this.
I have tested my family's phones, a Xiaomi Redmi 3s and a Xiaomi Redmi 4 Pro, and both under the same conditions give me around 9 mb/s:
So let's compare numbers:
Nexus 5x - 12 mb/s
Both Xiaomi (budget phones) - around 9 mb/s
Huawei M5 - around 0.6 mb/s (tested multiple times, it never gets more than 0.8)
The M5 is more than 10 times slower. Do you get it now? Yes, none of them get the maximum speed when bluetooth is on, but only one becomes extremely slow.
Ok, those are the hard numbers, but what about real life usage? Well, the M5 is so slow that browsing the web is a pain in the ass, web pages with lots of images takes forever to load, and it is impossible to watch a hd youtube video because it's constantly buffering. None of this happens on the other devices. Do you see the problem now??
radaan said:
Oneplus 3 Just Now. With and without bluetooth device connected.
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Well, I'm sorry for you, but your phone has a problem too. Maybe you should contact One Plus....
purple lady said:
No Bluetooth - 160 down 12 up
Bluetooth device connected - 170 down 12 up
Bluetooth device connected and streaming - 168 down 12 up.
It looks like Bluetooth improves download speed.
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Thanks. A demonstration that it can be done right.
this is really sad to see. there are so few tablets to choose from, and even less if you want hd screens and latest gen hardware. this one looks great on paper, but reading in here is a complete disappointment.
it does not take a rocket scientist to notice the speed problem, and anyone that says "well dont use bluetooth!" if they cant make them play nice (which they do fine on other hardware, at least well enough to use both at the same time without noticing an issue) they should not have even put bluetooth on the device.
ZunsheV said:
Unbelievable..... Last time I reply to this.
I have tested my family's phones, a Xiaomi Redmi 3s and a Xiaomi Redmi 4 Pro, and both under the same conditions give me around 9 mb/s:
So let's compare numbers:
Nexus 5x - 12 mb/s
Both Xiaomi (budget phones) - around 9 mb/s
Huawei M5 - around 0.6 mb/s (tested multiple times, it never gets more than 0.8)
The M5 is more than 10 times slower. Do you get it now? Yes, none of them get the maximum speed when bluetooth is on, but only one becomes extremely slow.
Ok, those are the hard numbers, but what about real life usage? Well, the M5 is so slow that browsing the web is a pain in the ass, web pages with lots of images takes forever to load, and it is impossible to watch a hd youtube video because it's constantly buffering. None of this happens on the other devices. Do you see the problem now??
Well, I'm sorry for you, but your phone has a problem too. Maybe you should contact One Plus....
Thanks. A demonstration that it can be done right.
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I hope ppl staying saying ALL android has this problem, the problem with my M3 is wifi is nearly unusable when blutooth is on. And pls stop misleading huawei tablet users 5ghz will be better. IT DOESNT HELP. I have owned many android ( samsung note3, note5, xiaomi, even entry lenovo tablet n nvr had one with wifi problem with blutooth on. I am using m3 and even 5ghz is below 1mbps for download with blutooth on. If u have sim version u should check from time to time.. It is slow extremely slow compared to other device using the same sim. I have given up. By the way my problem is only for download, upload tests are ok with wifi n sim.