Make your Ticwatch smoother than ever disabling TicSystem via ADB!

Make your Ticwatch smoother than ever disabling TicSystem via ADB! - Wear OS Software and Hacking General

(I'm copying this over from my reddit posts, hope to help some more people, if enough are interested I'll make a video tutorial! P.S. I can't instert my reddit posts links because this is my first XDA post, if anyone looks for them, they are all called "Made my Ticwatch smoother than ever disabling TicSystem via ADB" and you can find them in r/WearOS, r/TicWatch and r/TicwatchOfficial)
So, I don't know if I'm the only one that had this problem, but my Ticwatch Pro was laggy as hell, barely usable, it frustrated me so much i stopped using it even while wearing it constantly. I had disabled every mobvoi app on my smartwatch and that improved battery life dramatically (Mobvoi account, Mobvoi privacy, TicExercise, TicHealth and so on) the only app i couldn't disable was TicSystem, I could only force stop it, and I had noticed that after stopping it my watch was smoother that it had ever been, but sadly it started again after a couple of minutes and the watch started lagging again, this may as well be caused by the TicSystem looking for all the apps i had disabled using all the cpu, but i couldn't give up the battery life I got disabling them, so I sat down and tried to find a solution.
And I did! I found a way to disable TicSystem via adb, and now my Ticwatch Pro runs perfectly smooth, this probably works on all ticwatch models but I haven't tried, and it's also extemely easy.
Before the tutorial I'll give you a disclaimer, I'M NOT AN EXPERT, I DON'T KNOW IF DOING THIS CAN DAMAGE YOUR WATCH IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS STOPS OTA UPDATES FROM COMING TO THE WATCH, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING OR ANYONE, DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK, I DON'T TAKE ANY RESPONSABILITY FOR DAMAGE TO YOU, YOUR WATCH, PEOPLE AROUND YOU, DINOSAURS AND TALKING COWS THAT MAY BE EATING GRASS NEAR YOU.
All jokes aside, I'm pretty sure it's fine, it probably will only improve your watch performance dramatically, but if something does happen to somebody, I don't want people blaming me, only do this if you know what you are doing.
So let's start, you'll need a computer, obviously, and your charging cable, you can also use adb over wifi if you are feeling extra fancy and don't want cables lying around, but I haven't tried that.
Go into your watch's settings, system, informations, and touch build number a bunch of times until it says you have become a developer.
Go back in your settings, developer options, and enable ADB debugging. (also enable wifi debug if you are doing this via wifi, but if you are doing it via wifi you probably know what you are doing so i'll just explain cable stuff from now on)
Plug your watch in your pc and allow debugging from that device (a popup will appear on the watch)
Install ADB on your pc if you haven't already, I won't tell you how to, it's full of guides out there, use google or your browser of choice.
Open your command line (type cmd in the windows start bar, this also works on mac, but you have to edit the commands a little, look up an ADB mac tutorial) and check if your watch is connected with:
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adb devices
If your watch shows up, congrats! you are basically done!
Run:
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adb shell pm disable-user --user 0 com.mobvoi.wear.system.aw
And TicSystem will get disabled, you are now done!
If your watch doesn't show up in adb, google something like "adb device not showing up" and you'll find like a million tutorials.
If you ever want to enable TicSystem back, go in your settings, apps, app details, system apps (at the bottom), TicSystem, and tap "enable", wasn't so difficult, was it?
If someone else tries this, let me know your results! Very curious to know other people's opinions. Have fun, and be kind to eachother!
Edit: a user tried this and made me notice that his default ticwatch watchfaces disappeared, I think this only happens if you disable the "watchface" system app, if you want to keep them don't disable it, but keep in mind that if you disable the other ticwatch apps the steps counter inside the default watches will stop working because it's linked to ticwatch fitness apps, but google fit will still count your steps so it's just the default watchfaces that won't count steps.
Edit2: It's been over a day and the watch feels great, many people in all 3 subs (r/WearOS, r/TicWatch, and r/TicwatchOfficial) gave feedback and said it helped a lot their watches too, i also tried on my father's ticwatch pro and i haven't noticed any problems, but a user made me notice that the ticwatch charging ui disappeared (doesn't bother me, didn't find it useful anyway) but if you want to replace it another user suggested "wear charging widget" on the playstore, he also said it works much better than the default one so there's that, I'll try to keep updating the post and answer everybody on all 3 subs, I'm extremely happy to see all those people enjoy their watches more and more thanks to me, you are all amazing!
Edit3: It's been 12 days since I disabled TicSystem on my watch, and in the meantime I also disabled all the tic apps on another Ticwatch Pro and a Ticwatch S and they are all working great, I haven't found any problems at all, and many people reported imporved performance on every Ticwatch model! No other problems were reported so I'll go ahead and say this is probably going to be the last update, I may make a short video tutorial on youtube if people on XDA request it. For now, I'm extremely happy I got to help so many people and that everybody found new life in their old watches! I hope you all keep being amazing and I want to thank you all for a last time for the awards, all the support and all the kind words I got, have a great day!

I'm running 2 ticwatch E like this from 2 weeks . Battery life is incredible now, at least doubled and the watch is smoot and responsive . Be sure to disable Ticsystem via ADB , it's important , because without doing that you would have no benefit . I didn't diaabled it at first and my battery lasted 8 hours , now I can with no problem reach 20 hourse with a normal use . With an intense one From 7 a.m to 12 p.m with no problem ( no ok google , no tilt to wake). You will only loose the stoch watchfaces and the charging screen , the last one could be sostitute with wear charging widget that works 100 times better

I'm running 2 ticwatch E like this from 2 weeks . Battery life is incredible now, at least doubled and the watch is smoot and responsive . Be sure to disable Ticsystem via ADB , it's important , because without doing that you would have no benefit . I didn't diaabled it at first and my battery lasted 8 hours , now I can with no problem reach 20 hourse with a normal use . With an intense one From 7 a.m to 12 p.m with no problem ( no ok google , no tilt to wake). You will only loose the stoch watchfaces and the charging screen , the last one could be sostitute with wear charging widget that works 100 times better
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I'm happy you found it useful!

Hi, thanks for taking the risk. I already disable most mobvoi apps since the first time I use it, leaving only the watchface and this TicSystem. I am afraid it will cause instability, hence I just leave it there.
Yesterday I try to disable Ticsystem too, and so far I can tell it has better battery life. Usually it will drain 4%/hour while connected to my phone. So in 12 hours interval, it usually consume about 50%. Yesterday test leave me with 60% within 12 hours (40% usage). So it is about 25% better battery life. And I only lose the charging animation which I can deal with it.
I still keep the watchface though, and maybe will remove it if I can stick with another watchface.

Desmanto said:
Hi, thanks for taking the risk. I already disable most mobvoi apps since the first time I use it, leaving only the watchface and this TicSystem. I am afraid it will cause instability, hence I just leave it there.
Yesterday I try to disable Ticsystem too, and so far I can tell it has better battery life. Usually it will drain 4%/hour while connected to my phone. So in 12 hours interval, it usually consume about 50%. Yesterday test leave me with 60% within 12 hours (40% usage). So it is about 25% better battery life. And I only lose the charging animation which I can deal with it.
I still keep the watchface though, and maybe will remove it if I can stick with another watchface.
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If you read edit2, there is an app that gives you the charging animation back!

dany_ev3 said:
If you read edit2, there is an app that gives you the charging animation back!
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Yes, I have read that actually before, but I have no problem with no charging animation, since it is not important. I don't want to add any other unneeded app. I already have the flow in automagic to notify me about the charging and when full. And I can easily design a widget to replace the charging animation if I really need it.

IdrisMC said:
Can this be done on the fossil sports 4s?
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Only ticwatch smartwatches!

IdrisMC said:
Can this be done on the fossil sports 4s?
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No, it won't if with the same packagename. I don't know if fossil have many bloatware or not. But you have to ask others for the test. Disabling system app is very dangerous, it can cause bootloop in worst case.
You can try to find the app name and try to match it with the package name from the adb command : pm list packages
All ticwatch bloatware start with com.mobvoi.xxx. fossil must have different package names.

dany_ev3 said:
(I'm copying this over from my reddit posts, hope to help some more people, if enough are interested I'll make a video tutorial! P.S. I can't instert my reddit posts links because this is my first XDA post, if anyone looks for them, they are all called "Made my Ticwatch smoother than ever disabling TicSystem via ADB" and you can find them in r/WearOS, r/TicWatch and r/TicwatchOfficial)
So, I don't know if I'm the only one that had this problem, but my Ticwatch Pro was laggy as hell, barely usable, it frustrated me so much i stopped using it even while wearing it constantly. I had disabled every mobvoi app on my smartwatch and that improved battery life dramatically (Mobvoi account, Mobvoi privacy, TicExercise, TicHealth and so on) the only app i couldn't disable was TicSystem, I could only force stop it, and I had noticed that after stopping it my watch was smoother that it had ever been, but sadly it started again after a couple of minutes and the watch started lagging again, this may as well be caused by the TicSystem looking for all the apps i had disabled using all the cpu, but i couldn't give up the battery life I got disabling them, so I sat down and tried to find a solution.
And I did! I found a way to disable TicSystem via adb, and now my Ticwatch Pro runs perfectly smooth, this probably works on all ticwatch models but I haven't tried, and it's also extemely easy.
Before the tutorial I'll give you a disclaimer, I'M NOT AN EXPERT, I DON'T KNOW IF DOING THIS CAN DAMAGE YOUR WATCH IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS STOPS OTA UPDATES FROM COMING TO THE WATCH, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING OR ANYONE, DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK, I DON'T TAKE ANY RESPONSABILITY FOR DAMAGE TO YOU, YOUR WATCH, PEOPLE AROUND YOU, DINOSAURS AND TALKING COWS THAT MAY BE EATING GRASS NEAR YOU.
All jokes aside, I'm pretty sure it's fine, it probably will only improve your watch performance dramatically, but if something does happen to somebody, I don't want people blaming me, only do this if you know what you are doing.
So let's start, you'll need a computer, obviously, and your charging cable, you can also use adb over wifi if you are feeling extra fancy and don't want cables lying around, but I haven't tried that.
Go into your watch's settings, system, informations, and touch build number a bunch of times until it says you have become a developer.
Go back in your settings, developer options, and enable ADB debugging. (also enable wifi debug if you are doing this via wifi, but if you are doing it via wifi you probably know what you are doing so i'll just explain cable stuff from now on)
Plug your watch in your pc and allow debugging from that device (a popup will appear on the watch)
Install ADB on your pc if you haven't already, I won't tell you how to, it's full of guides out there, use google or your browser of choice.
Open your command line (type cmd in the windows start bar, this also works on mac, but you have to edit the commands a little, look up an ADB mac tutorial) and check if your watch is connected with:
Code:
adb devices
If your watch shows up, congrats! you are basically done!
Run:
Code:
adb shell pm disable-user --user 0 com.mobvoi.wear.system.aw
And TicSystem will get disabled, you are now done!
If your watch doesn't show up in adb, google something like "adb device not showing up" and you'll find like a million tutorials.
If you ever want to enable TicSystem back, go in your settings, apps, app details, system apps (at the bottom), TicSystem, and tap "enable", wasn't so difficult, was it?
If someone else tries this, let me know your results! Very curious to know other people's opinions. Have fun, and be kind to eachother!
Edit: a user tried this and made me notice that his default ticwatch watchfaces disappeared, I think this only happens if you disable the "watchface" system app, if you want to keep them don't disable it, but keep in mind that if you disable the other ticwatch apps the steps counter inside the default watches will stop working because it's linked to ticwatch fitness apps, but google fit will still count your steps so it's just the default watchfaces that won't count steps.
Edit2: It's been over a day and the watch feels great, many people in all 3 subs (r/WearOS, r/TicWatch, and r/TicwatchOfficial) gave feedback and said it helped a lot their watches too, i also tried on my father's ticwatch pro and i haven't noticed any problems, but a user made me notice that the ticwatch charging ui disappeared (doesn't bother me, didn't find it useful anyway) but if you want to replace it another user suggested "wear charging widget" on the playstore, he also said it works much better than the default one so there's that, I'll try to keep updating the post and answer everybody on all 3 subs, I'm extremely happy to see all those people enjoy their watches more and more thanks to me, you are all amazing!
Edit3: It's been 12 days since I disabled TicSystem on my watch, and in the meantime I also disabled all the tic apps on another Ticwatch Pro and a Ticwatch S and they are all working great, I haven't found any problems at all, and many people reported imporved performance on every Ticwatch model! No other problems were reported so I'll go ahead and say this is probably going to be the last update, I may make a short video tutorial on youtube if people on XDA request it. For now, I'm extremely happy I got to help so many people and that everybody found new life in their old watches! I hope you all keep being amazing and I want to thank you all for a last time for the awards, all the support and all the kind words I got, have a great day!
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Sounds interesting, I'm giving it a try! Could this work keeping tic heart rate and tic exercise enabled? I mean, I disabled it correctly, but will it improve my experience anyway?
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Gh_Racer said:
Sounds interesting, I'm giving it a try! Could this work keeping tic heart rate and tic exercise enabled? I mean, I disabled it correctly, but will it improve my experience anyway?
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Well, I got a problem: screen won't turn off automatically, I have to flip my arm or to put the palm of my hand over the screen. So, I decided to enable it back and now it's all working properly.
Anyway, I suggest you to enable all cores to have a significant performance boost :laugh: https : // forum.xda-developers.com/smartwatch/other-smartwatches/rom-kernel-t3821013

Gh_Racer said:
Sounds interesting, I'm giving it a try! Could this work keeping tic heart rate and tic exercise enabled? I mean, I disabled it correctly, but will it improve my experience anyway?
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Well, I got a problem: screen won't turn off automatically, I have to flip my arm or to put the palm of my hand over the screen. So, I decided to enable it back and now it's all working properly.
Anyway, I suggest you to enable all cores to have a significant performance boost :laugh: https : // forum.xda-developers.com/smartwatch/other-smartwatches/rom-kernel-t3821013
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That is very weird, I haven't had that problem and no one else reported it, and many many people tried this on my reddit posts. What apps did you disable exactly?

dany_ev3 said:
That is very weird, I haven't had that problem and no one else reported it, and many many people tried this on my reddit posts. What apps did you disable exactly?
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I disabled Tic Sistem only, via adb, as suggested in your post. Nothing more, nothing less.

Gh_Racer said:
I disabled Tic Sistem only, via adb, as suggested in your post. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I have no problem disabling that. The only ticwatch app remain enabled at my watch is only the watchface.
Additional test until now, I can say it takes about 40% in 12 hours, approx 3,33%/hour, the best I can get. This translate into about 30 hours max usage. During busy day, it can drain more than that. But I can safely say that even if I left with 70% in the morning, I am pretty sure it can last until I get home at night.

Desmanto said:
I have no problem disabling that. The only ticwatch app remain enabled at my watch is only the watchface.
Additional test until now, I can say it takes about 40% in 12 hours, approx 3,33%/hour, the best I can get. This translate into about 30 hours max usage. During busy day, it can drain more than that. But I can safely say that even if I left with 70% in the morning, I am pretty sure it can last until I get home at night.
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Ok I'm giving it another chance Now the screen turns off correctly, what a strange thing since I've done the same procedure. We'll see! I'll keep you informed.
Anyway, do you know if tic system will be automatically re-enabled after system updates?

Gh_Racer said:
Ok I'm giving it another chance Now the screen turns off correctly, what a strange thing since I've done the same procedure. We'll see! I'll keep you informed.
Anyway, do you know if tic system will be automatically re-enabled after system updates?
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Probably you should restart it first at the first try. I restart the watch once in a while, and probably I do that right after I disabled it (forgot already).
I don't see any system updates soon, but it should have stayed disabled. Unless there is a major update and it resets the app preferences.

Desmanto said:
Probably you should restart it first at the first try. I restart the watch once in a while, and probably I do that right after I disabled it (forgot already).
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I don't remember if I restarted it yesterday, that could be the reason of the problem! I usually do it, but it could be my fault
Today I restarted it directly from adb since it became unresponsive suddently after disabling the service. Now it seems to be working properly.

Also disabling "Ambient Mode" app makes my Ticwatch PRO faster

Question: if I disable or remove apps via adb, what happens during next software upgrade?

After doing this, the "Ticwatch Power menu" is gone... (holding down the bottom button for 3 seconds)
But if you hold down the top button for like 5 seconds, it will show up the official power menu from Wear OS

thegios said:
Question: if I disable or remove apps via adb, what happens during next software upgrade?
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Should have stayed disabled. Except if the update reset the app preference, then you can simply disable it again in adb.
HtheB said:
After doing this, the "Ticwatch Power menu" is gone... (holding down the bottom button for 3 seconds)
But if you hold down the top button for like 5 seconds, it will show up the official power menu from Wear OS
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My Ticwatch E doesn't have any menu show up. Only vibrate and launch the Gass. recognition after being holded down 3 seconds. I don't use OK google though.

Desmanto said:
Should have stayed disabled. Except if the update reset the app preference, then you can simply disable it again in adb..
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Makes sense if disabled but what if removed?

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Help Me Analyse My Better Battery Stats?

My battery life isn't bad, but it could be better.
The long period of time my screen is off (see pic) is when I went to sleep, it's also when I set my custom ref. In the other pic you can see how many time my phone woke up when it was supposed to be sleeping!
Attached is also my log, it's the paid version with everything ticked, so it should have all the info needed, except I can't make heads nor tails of it.

irish-sid said:
My battery life isn't bad, but it could be better.
The long period of time my screen is off (see pic) is when I went to sleep, it's also when I set my custom ref. In the other pic you can see how many time my phone woke up when it was supposed to be sleeping!
Attached is also my log, it's the paid version with everything ticked, so it should have all the info needed, except I can't make heads nor tails of it.
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google is your friend. There are many threads on XDA about BBS and explaining things.

Thanks, but if you can tell by the time i made these logs you can see it was over 12 hours ago, I've spent a good portion of the day trying to figure this out.
I wasn't being a ****, i posted in the q&a section, so while i appreciate your reply, i could do with someone helping me understand this and in turn I'll learn something and maybe not have to ask again.

You went 15 hours and still have 60%, that's insanely good, mine dies in less time than that. Although it seems because you haven't used anything except having the screen on, I use heavier applications constantly.
You could use lowest screen brightness and if you're using stock firmware, disable data when you don't need it, since I figure some of the bloatware apps would want to connect to the internet.

eksasol said:
You went 15 hours and still have 60%, that's insanely good, mine dies in less time than that. Although it seems because you haven't used anything except having the screen on, I use heavier applications constantly.
You could use lowest screen brightness and if you're using stock firmware, disable data when you don't need it, since I figure some of the bloatware apps would want to connect to the internet.
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Yeah, it was overnight though, usually get about 4-5 hours screen time during the day. I'm on check rom with most bloatware disabled and most if not all apps are set to manual sync.
I'm wondering what keeps waking my phone up overnight.

1) Nail the samsung push service com.sec.spp.push
2) Remove any battery monitoring widgets you are using, maybe you have a battery icon on your clock widget, try removing that or something.
Looks like you are using viber, whatsapp and vlingo, so thats 3 big background apps.
I would also be inclined to swap to something other than go launcher as well.
If in doubt ask in the BBS thread here

veyka said:
1) Nail the samsung push service com.sec.spp.push
2) Remove any battery monitoring widgets you are using, maybe you have a battery icon on your clock widget, try removing that or something.
Looks like you are using viber, whatsapp and vlingo, so thats 3 big background apps.
I would also be inclined to swap to something other than go launcher as well.
If in doubt ask in the BBS thread here
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Thanks very much, I'll have a look at all of this then. Thanks veyka!
Thanks everyone else too.

Huge list of disabled apps! 180+!!!

There is an issue with the latest list so don't copy it completely. I got a bootloop after restarting my phone today and I had to factory reset... this is as of 10/8/16 at 12:50pm. The list from the 5th of October on back should be fine. I'm currently trying to sort out the issue.
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Here is a list of apps and services which can be disabled on the Note 7 while still maintaining stability; Data, Calling, Texting, MMS, Wi-Fi, Tethering, Bluetooth, GPS, Sync, Camera, EQ, HD Calling, Always On and all the S-Pen features work, but most other things are turned off like Fingerprint, Iris, NFC, Edge Panel, Pay Services, etc... This list isn't meant to be copied exactly by everyone because we all use our devices differently but you can pick and choose what you want to get the optimal performance from your device.
As of 10/6/16 I have 180+ apps and services disabled and today I got over 8 hours of SOT with 11% battery left (over 9 hours projected of SOT based on the days' usage). I didn't use any power saving modes and kept my brightness at a reasonable level so using the device was easy and not annoying due to the brightness being so low. I had location and sync enabled and wasn't doing any unnatural things trying to squeeze out as much battery life as I could. This was real world usage with all the necessary features and background processes running so using the device felt natural and functional. I say this so people don't think I fudged these numbers by doing things like letting my phone sit with the screen on while at the lowest brightness and not using it, or that I was using some power saving modes to squeeze out as much life as possible. My phone ran at full power all day. I've never even toggled power saving mode on my phone before.
Due to XDA's limit on the amount of image uploads I'm going to create two post with the complete list of disabled apps and link them here in the OP.
I'm using EZ Package Disabler (Samsung) from the play store to disable these apps and services. I bought that one because it had the highest rating.
Below here are some updates I posted during the process of figuring out what to disable. The post with the latest date is always going to have the most current and relevant information.
9/30/16 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68930083&postcount=16
10/2/16 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68950934&postcount=23
10/3/16 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68972097&postcount=26 / http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68972131&postcount=27
10/5/16 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68999679&postcount=33
[UNSTABLE something in this list caused me to bootloop]10/6/16 - 184 Disabled Apps & Services List Part 1 Here and Part 2 Here XML Export File List Here

Why do you bother to own this phone when you disable most of what makes this phone so great? It has a tonne of RAM, tonne of storage, not sure what you are trying to achieve by disabling so much?
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tonymy01 said:
Why do you bother to own this phone when you disable most of what makes this phone so great? It has a tonne of RAM, tonne of storage, not sure what you are trying to achieve by disabling so much?
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Actually, most of the features are still there. I bought it for the S-pen features and all that is still there. Did you go through the list and see what I turned off or are you just replying to reply? If you read my OG post you'd see I said that my goal was to keep the functionality of the device.
This phone is loaded with bloat and useless services and apps that most will never use. All these things can cause battery drain, cpu usage, ram usage, hardware heat, among other things. So why not turn off what is not needed? It doesn't matter how much ram the phone has, why run stuff that doesn't need to run since you aren't using it?

Fingerprint,shealth, Android pay, software updating, iris scanner, gmail, standard email, game launcher, Samsung cloud (much more useful than Google backup as it supports call logs, sms and other recoveries), the emergency alerts, car mode(for operating in car potentially with different launcher suitable for vehicle use) the list goes on and on and I did look, I don't post for no reason.
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tonymy01 said:
Fingerprint,shealth, Android pay, software updating, iris scanner, gmail, standard email, game launcher, the emergency alerts, car mode(for operating in car potentially with different launcher suitable for vehicle use) the list goes on and on and I did look, I don't post for no reason.
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Like I said, I bought it for the S-pen features. What I disabled I don't use and have no use for. Also If I want to use them at any time I can just reenable them. So let's go through your list. Fingerprint, I use swipe or a pin or a pattern. S-health, I use google fit, or nothing since I don't need a smartphone to tell me how to be fit. Android pay, I use cash. Software updating, if I want an update I can manually grab it, I don't need a service running constantly checking for them. Iris scanner, it's stupid and I'll never use it. Gmail, I use inbox and Alto. Standard email, I only have gmail accounts so don't need other email services. Game launcher, I don't play games. Emergency Alerts, seriously? You are just looking for things to justify your post, EA's are useless and annoying when they pop up and have never benefited me once. Car mode, I have no use for it since I drive a 2000 windstar minivan and waze provides me with all I need in a car. Also, you didn't name one thing that makes this phone great but rather things that are basically on all Android's. Again, I bought the phone for the S-pen, all that is still there. Why are you even doing this? your post are as useless as the apps and services I disabled.

Troll flushed where it belongs. Goodbye, no need to be so rude about it.
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It may be more useful to state what battery usage difference has been found / before and after

bonerp said:
It may be more useful to state what battery usage difference has been found / before and after
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Totally agree. I will try testing N7 when I get mine. First factory reset it out of the box (maybe get the update first then factory reset it with recovery). After that set it up keep all apps and see how battery is... the try the disabler I loke to debloat because phone looks much more cleaner then. And any debloat list is totally personal that why I used TB on my rooted devices, this time won't rush to root

Just disable the damn phone, turn it off and stop using it lol
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Why all the hate?
I really don't get when people post about disabling certain features that others get upset. Or use power saver, etc.
This is one of the great things about Android, the ability to customize and mod our phones to our liking. Try doing any of these things with an Iphone, you can't. So this particular user wants to disable Gmail and messages because he uses other services (Inbox is awesome). He reports back that things still seem stable? Great! I am interested in updates to see if he runs into any problems etc
Let's talk about the great features we have, which include the ability to replace core apps if we desire. Don't jump on someone for doing so.
A mouse running into a room at a party doesn't cause chaos, how people react to it does. We are all responsible for our own actions. You don't like how someone else customizes their phone, who cares? Move on to the next post.
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jmitr said:
Why all the hate? I am interested in updates to see if he runs into any problems etc
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Used the phone very heavy today and ran into no real issues. I had to reenable one service because I tried to use the built-in EQ and it made settings crash. I was able to find the cause in less than a minute and reenable it The service that needs to run for the EQ to work is "SoundAlive" on page 8.
Also got 2.75 hours of SOT and 3 hours of gps use and was right at 50% battery left. At the end of tomorrow I'm going to post some screenshots.

Thanks for the list OP, I probably won't be disabling as much as you have but it's great to know what I can kill without messing up the phone. (when I finally get it)

Mdizzle1 said:
Thanks for the list OP, I probably won't be disabling as much as you have but it's great to know what I can kill without messing up the phone. (when I finally get it)
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No problem. I plan on trying to get more added to the list. Once I know what I've added so far is safe and doesn't cause any issues I'll slowly add more.

I appreciate the list too. It is good to know what can be safely disabled and then we can decide what we want to keep or give the heave ho.

Smithfolk4 said:
I appreciate the list too. It is good to know what can be safely disabled and then we can decide what we want to keep or give the heave ho.
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I've done another day of heavy use today and I'm very happy with my results. I had over 3 hours of SOT using auto brightness which stayed on max brightness most of the time since I was outside and I still had over 40% (I estimate I was on track to get very close to 6 hours SOT with max auto brightness!!!) battery left when I got home. I also used GPS for about an hour along with installing app, and constantly doing other stuff on the phone. I'm going to update the OP with some more screenshots. But from these past two full days of very heavy use and no force closes or issues to speak of (other than having to turn SoundAlive back on for the EQ to work) I'm going to say what I've disabled so far is safe and causes no dependency issues. Also, the phone runs very smooth and doesn't get hot at all. Even today with basically 3 straight hours of SOT and max auto brightness the phone never heated up.
Oh! I'm at 101 things disabled now (not including my downloaded disabled apps) which is how I ran it all day today. More to come! Once I feel like I've found everything I can disable safely I'll do a new updated OP with all I found.

9/30/16 screenshots just showing some battery and cpu use stats. In the future I'm going to add some temp stats. If anyone has a good app for monitoring temps let me know even if it's paid. I don't mind buying apps that are good and useful.

Awesome the list is identical to what I disabled excluding iris, finger print, Samsung app store, gmail and sound alive. I can tell my phone lasts longer on a single charge and everything works just as if everything were enabled. For some odd reason I don't like seeing my RAM going over 2GB lol I know I know unused memory is a waste in Android OS.

NIKKOTUASON said:
Awesome the list is identical to what I disabled excluding iris, finger print, Samsung app store, gmail and sound alive. I can tell my phone lasts longer on a single charge and everything works just as if everything were enabled. For some odd reason I don't like seeing my RAM going over 2GB lol I know I know unused memory is a waste in Android OS.
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I've always hated automation. I can't stand things running without my permission! I've had all startup programs on windows disabled since 2003 Back in the day on Windows XP I got my active running services in task manager to below 20. I'm now at 101 things disabled on the note 7 and I know there is a ton more I can turn off but I'm going about things slowly. I've confirmed that the 101 things I've turned off so far are safe and the phone definitely runs better in every way.
As far as the ram theories and myths about Android it's mostly people repeating their misunderstandings. Of course if you are using the apps in the ram a lot it's good for them to be there because they will load faster but if you are never using those apps and services and they are still sitting in your ram then it's not productive and a waste of resources which will cause the phone to not run optimally. These phones (and computers) come preloaded with tons of stuff running because they are targeted at the average user and not at the power/informed users. Anyone who knows much of anything about computers and how they are setup from the factory knows they are not configured for performance but rather a balance between performance and usability. Of course Android is getting better and better at managing apps and putting them to sleep but there still is nothing better than completely disabling things you don't need and will never use and thereby freeing up resources you can use for things you are actually using...wow! what a concept, have resources there to use for things you actually use! Genius! People seem to act like having ram full just for the sake of having it full is a good thing in Android when that is completely false. Even Android likes to have resources free that it can use for other things.

142 disabled apps and services
So I'm now sitting at 142 things disabled. I'm going to run my current setup for a couple days and see how it goes. I'll report back the results. Hopefully in a week or so I'll have a full list of what can be turned off without having issues.

Looking forward to your end results. Thank You for sharing your experience debloating.

Moto 360 sport AW2.0 comments

just thought that we could use a thread for the sport users and comments on the AW2 update, considering how poorly viewed the Moto 360 v2 update was, and how many sport users would definitely profit from viewpoints of those who have the update.
I updated yesterday, and to be honest I was pretty excited. First things first, how the update went; while many people had difficulties updating, I had no such problem with mine. I enabled the always on while charging, got to the update screen, put it on the charger, and let it go( all done through the slow but not too slow Bluetooth connection). It downloaded, installed, and rebooted (which took longer than I anticipated). The setup process was quick and easy for me, and once I got setup I was off. The first thing I did was slide left for my apps, only to remember that this function is reserved for the watch faces now. I actually enjoy this feature, as it took ages to change a face on AW1.5( I can now put my favorite faces in a line, instead of setting the top three faces over and over until they were definitely in my recents). Next, I opened my app menu. This is a great feature now. The ability to put the apps I actually use at the top is very nice. Speaking of apps, let me touch on those. The play store CAN eat up some battery, so you might want to watch it(zing). It wasn't until I got AW2 that I realized that most wear apps are designed now with 2.0 in mind. The usability is increased, there are more options, and the apps are just..... Better. There's not an easy way to explain it without experiencing it.
Overall, I've been very pleased with this update. It seems more stable than AW1.5, not to mention more modern. I do have to say that the battery is going to die faster, but only if you're using it extensively. My watch battery currently is in a better standard than my phone's (but with a LG K10 what can you do?). Today, with activities including looking at my agenda, texting people back with the keyboard (which is so accurate I might DIE), looking through apps on the play store, and checking notifications, my battery is at 30%, and that's with 13 hours. Notifications, when set to high, work completely fine for me and I enjoy the new look greatly. all of the problems faced by the gen2 users I cannot find a existence of. I would recommend this update, as it seems that Motorola took the time they spent denying us our update and used it to fix the problems the gen 2 users had.

I agree - I love this update! With AW 2 the sport feels like a new watch. Sure, accessing apps is different than before ( no more swipe left) but that's fine - easy too adjust.
Battery life is pretty much the same as before for me and love the new look for the app drawer and notifications.
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Just got the update, I'll install it later and report back, I'm excited.
Update: okay I installed it a couple days ago and so far it's pretty smooth, better than before. Battery life is hard to tell yet but so far it's good, I'll update on that later. The OS has a ton of new features that were previously only on phones such as disabling apps and turning off Bluetooth which is cool. Typing on the tiny keyboard and with drawing is actually fairly easy. So far I'm loving the update, not a bad thing to say yet besides getting used to the new UI and it's various changes like opening the apps list with the button and scrolling fast up will scroll through the top notification (scrolling has more inertia basically). Oh, and the security patch is April 1, 2017.

Good post @Nobodyslight . I'm enjoying it too although I'm not using it quite as much as you are. I'll need to explore some more but right now I'm doing the Android O thing. One question is on notifications set to high. I haven't done it but I do like that once you view an on screen noti then it doesn't appear again unless you swipe up. You don't even have to swipe it away like before. With it set to high vs normal does that feature go away? In other words will the notification say on top of the face until you dismiss it?

bobby janow said:
Good post @Nobodyslight . I'm enjoying it too although I'm not using it quite as much as you are. I'll need to explore some more but right now I'm doing the Android O thing. One question is on notifications set to high. I haven't done it but I do like that once you view an on screen noti then it doesn't appear again unless you swipe up. You don't even have to swipe it away like before. With it set to high vs normal does that feature go away? In other words will the notification say on top of the face until you dismiss it?
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It does stay, but you can swipe down to go back to the watch face. But I think under the app settings in settings you can change which apps can get that priority; so if you wanted only some apps to show up like that, you could arrange it that way

Nobodyslight said:
It does stay, but you can swipe down to go back to the watch face. But I think under the app settings in settings you can change which apps can get that priority; so if you wanted only some apps to show up like that, you could arrange it that way
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Thanks, but not seeing individual permissions. Not a big deal because I really don't want any app noti to stay on top. Good to know that is what high priority does. I'll stay away.
As for battery, I just hade a gps running (Strava) for the past almost 4 hours and I still have 50% left. I'll give it a quick charge now but that's really not too bad.

Mine was stuck on the 'continue setup on your phone' screen and I stupidly de-registered it with my phone. I can't even hard reset cause if I go onto recovery mode I can't swipe up or down. So it's pretty much dead any ideas?

Continuing here from where I reported in on the other thread; Went to bed with 100% battery and started sleep tracking from the watch on Sleep with Android. Put the watch into Theater mode and got a solid 6 hours sleep. Woke up to 50% battery. On Wear 1.5 I was waking up to 73~75%. Some watch owners that use Sleep are reporting that heart rate monitoring during sleep tracking was broken after upgrading to 2.0, while mine was so much more accurate than the last 3 months.
Overall, now that I've got vibration with my notifications, I've got hope for 2.0, battery issues aside. Overall the watch is much more responsive. The animations are smooth. The keyboard, I'm honestly shocked it works this well. Speech to text, 2.0 stomps the old 1.5.
I'm liking it ? We waited for a more polished version I think. I like my watch again.

disobey said:
Continuing here from where I reported in on the other thread; Went to bed with 100% battery and started sleep tracking from the watch on Sleep with Android. Put the watch into Theater mode and got a solid 6 hours sleep. Woke up to 50% battery. On Wear 1.5 I was waking up to 73~75%. Some watch owners that use Sleep are reporting that heart rate monitoring during sleep tracking was broken after upgrading to 2.0, while mine was so much more accurate than the last 3 months.
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How do you get heart rate monitoring during sleep? What app/settings do you use? Thanks
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Mine is good too. I've just added Swirl Launcher to my custom WhatchMaker face so I don't have to press button for apps.

SAMVREMIX said:
Mine was stuck on the 'continue setup on your phone' screen and I stupidly de-registered it with my phone. I can't even hard reset cause if I go onto recovery mode I can't swipe up or down. So it's pretty much dead any ideas?
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You can try to factory reset without enter recovery mode:
1) from the watch Settings --> System --> Unpair and reset
or
2) from the phone, using Android Wear and selecting "unpair the watch"

Stepman57 said:
You can try to factory reset without enter recovery mode:
1) from the watch Settings --> System --> Unpair and reset
or
2) from the phone, using Android Wear and selecting "unpair the watch"
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Can't enter settings during the initial setup and I disconnected the watch but the watch stays hanging on the setup screen. I tried entering receiver to hard reset it but when I swipe up or down on the screen I can't change the option. I can only reboot

For the life of me, I can't figure out how to shuffle my running playlist since upgrading to AW2.0.
Has anyone figured out how to make this work yet?

But the battery life is not as AW 1.5 BTW which watchfaces do you use for complications support?
Nobodyslight said:
just thought that we could use a thread for the sport users and comments on the AW2 update, considering how poorly viewed the Moto 360 v2 update was, and how many sport users would definitely profit from viewpoints of those who have the update.
I updated yesterday, and to be honest I was pretty excited. First things first, how the update went; while many people had difficulties updating, I had no such problem with mine. I enabled the always on while charging, got to the update screen, put it on the charger, and let it go( all done through the slow but not too slow Bluetooth connection). It downloaded, installed, and rebooted (which took longer than I anticipated). The setup process was quick and easy for me, and once I got setup I was off. The first thing I did was slide left for my apps, only to remember that this function is reserved for the watch faces now. I actually enjoy this feature, as it took ages to change a face on AW1.5( I can now put my favorite faces in a line, instead of setting the top three faces over and over until they were definitely in my recents). Next, I opened my app menu. This is a great feature now. The ability to put the apps I actually use at the top is very nice. Speaking of apps, let me touch on those. The play store CAN eat up some battery, so you might want to watch it(zing). It wasn't until I got AW2 that I realized that most wear apps are designed now with 2.0 in mind. The usability is increased, there are more options, and the apps are just..... Better. There's not an easy way to explain it without experiencing it.
Overall, I've been very pleased with this update. It seems more stable than AW1.5, not to mention more modern. I do have to say that the battery is going to die faster, but only if you're using it extensively. My watch battery currently is in a better standard than my phone's (but with a LG K10 what can you do?). Today, with activities including looking at my agenda, texting people back with the keyboard (which is so accurate I might DIE), looking through apps on the play store, and checking notifications, my battery is at 30%, and that's with 13 hours. Notifications, when set to high, work completely fine for me and I enjoy the new look greatly. all of the problems faced by the gen2 users I cannot find a existence of. I would recommend this update, as it seems that Motorola took the time they spent denying us our update and used it to fix the problems the gen 2 users had.
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nirvikkhanal said:
But the battery life is not as AW 1.5 BTW which watchfaces do you use for complications support?
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I use the lines watch face.

Stepman57 said:
You can try to factory reset without enter recovery mode:
1) from the watch Settings --> System --> Unpair and reset
or
2) from the phone, using Android Wear and selecting "unpair the watch"
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Thing is I can't ener the settings as it's stuck in the setup

Hello everyone!
I have the next issue:
Google feed is not working AT ALL in the moto 360 sport.
I was a beta tester of google app, but leave the beta to test is that make the trick, but again a no-go.
Any advice would be highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

drziddo said:
Hello everyone!
I have the next issue:
Google feed is not working AT ALL in the moto 360 sport.
I was a beta tester of google app, but leave the beta to test is that make the trick, but again a no-go.
Any advice would be highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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The Google fees isn't as it is in the app. The only things that'll pop up in there is weather, and some location tidbits(assuming you have location on on your phone and watch, and you allow Google to give you location based cards)

I just purchased 2 of the 360 sport and first thing I did was upgrade them to 2.0. I originally had a Gear 2 Neo that was hacked to run android 1.5 on it. My wife had the Gear fit 2. So that is what I compare my experience to.
Here are my impressions so far:
Battery life seems pretty bad. I barely get a full day out of it. My Neo would easily go 2 days and my wife's fit 2 would go 3 - 4.
The screen doesn't respond as I would expect. It seems to not know exactly which way I want to swipe all the time.
Step counter is incredibly inaccurate. both watches consistently seem to only catch 50% of the steps. My wife is sending hers back for this reason.
Even though I have enabled "OK Google" in the settings, it never responds. Only way I can get speech recognition to work is hold down the menu button.
I have had mine randomly reboot twice. My Gear 2 Neo would do this occasionally but it was somewhat expected being hacked to run wear.
Not sure if I should send mine back and purchase a Gear s2. I did some Googling and these issues seem to be very common. Anyone have experience with the Gear S2 that can give me a comparison? Really like the 2.0 interface and the Moto360 is a nice watch, if these bugs were worked out.

vansmack said:
For the life of me, I can't figure out how to shuffle my running playlist since upgrading to AW2.0.
Has anyone figured out how to make this work yet?
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Well that only took 8 months to fix! How the hell it was ever left out I'll never know....
https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/03/21/google-improves-play-music-experience-wear-os/

just bought a 2nd hand moto 360 sport and just in time for AW 2.0 to arrive. i had previously used a 1st gen moto 360 with AW1.5, but it has since died. gotta say, the AW 2.0 is looking solid, i enjoyed it very much, its more fluid, more easy to navigate.. but i think im missing something. i can't find the setting to vibrate or notify when my phone or watch is out of range of each other

Are there any deal breakers in this gorgeous device?

I was waiting to buy the upcoming iPhone (Blasphemy!) but I just love how unique Find X is. It is going to be up for pre-order next week and I need some advice from you users.
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Thanks in advance. Will really appreciate your input. Cheers!

prophet558 said:
I was waiting to buy the upcoming iPhone (Blasphemy!) but I just love how unique Find X is. It is going to be up for pre-order next week and I need some advice from you users.
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Thanks in advance. Will really appreciate your input. Cheers!
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- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
Seems pretty solid but we won't know for a while!
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
Try looking in the forum, about three posts down in the "Killing apps" thread
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
Not so far but, it looks pretty easy to clean the dust away
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Power management is a B*&CH. See the same thread about "Killing Apps"
https://forum.xda-developers.com/find-X/help/killing-apps-screen-off-arghh-t3818105

Monty Burns said:
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
Seems pretty solid but we won't know for a while!
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
Try looking in the forum, about three posts down in the "Killing apps" thread
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
Not so far but, it looks pretty easy to clean the dust away
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Power management is a B*&CH. See the same thread about "Killing Apps"
https://forum.xda-developers.com/find-X/help/killing-apps-screen-off-arghh-t3818105
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Thanks a lot for the response. I have used ColorOS recently (Oppo Realme 1) and the Background app management was too aggressive.

prophet558 said:
Thanks a lot for the response. I have used ColorOS recently (Oppo Realme 1) and the Background app management was too aggressive.
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Yeah, it's on some sort of power trip (literally, in both senses of the phrase). That said, if you read through the thread i created, following a firmware upgrade yesterday and after a "settling period" things have been almost faultless today. My phone has been faultless and even thrown in a couple of reboots to challenge it and still been OK. My last problem of Gmail being forced to drop to 15 minute syncs instead of Push also seems to have resolved itself.
Now, i'm not sure if this is some sort of OS learning which apps I use, the firmware or just plain luck (or a combo) but, i'm now very happy with the device.
If you want your own launcher, it is entirely possible, as is removing the bloat (i'm running Nova) and there is no need to register with Oppo either. The link to achieve that is also in the thread I linked to.
I have no idea about battery life as when I'm at work it sits in a dock and then when i'm at home, it's also mostly in a dock so, battery life isn't really a concern but, i guess I'll find out this weekend!

prophet558 said:
I was waiting to buy the upcoming iPhone (Blasphemy!) but I just love how unique Find X is. It is going to be up for pre-order next week and I need some advice from you users.
- How durable is that 'mechanism'?
- Are you guys able to replace the stock launcher with something like Nova or Ruthless launcher with google now feed?
- Does the surface of the retracting mechanism get covered with dust over time?
- Have any other serious complaints about the phone in general?
Thanks in advance. Will really appreciate your input. Cheers!
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1) Stock Android provides for incoming notifications to be seamless (automatic by default, individual 3rd party app settings may be different by default, but, can be easily toggled on). Oppo has severe restrictions on this, limiting to 5 user installed apps to start automatically on boot & 5 apps total to be locked in recent memory.
So, a high horsepower phone is basically muzzled, if you can deal with the angst of wondering if you're going to get timely notifications...... Perhaps if you use the stock email & messaging apps, these will likely work, but, I would steer clear of those....
2) No NFC, so, no tap to pay apps will work.
3) No VoLTE, no VoWI-FI
4) No status bar notification icons, no LED notification indicator.
5) If you use T-Mobile Digits & it isn't a top 5 protected app/one of your precious 5 to auto start on boot, it will log you out of the app on reboot & it will not work until you set it up again, resulting in missed messages & phone calls.
6) 3rd party clock apps: Again, if it's not a protected top 5 app, it will not keep proper time, resulting in missed alarms..... The stock clock works, but, it is a bare bones app at best, no snooze adjustment, locked into 5 minutes, SERIOUSLY?
7) Ad Blockers will work, but, intermittently, again, the top 5 protected app thing & even then, Oppo will kill it off at some point, resulting in having to restart the blocking.
8) If you choose to use a 3rd party launcher, you again lose some functionality. I use Chrome & frequently place shortcuts on my desktop from it.
NOT ON THIS PHONE, another swing & a miss....
9) Bluetooth devices:
Generally they work fine,but,if the device has a companion app,prepare for it (the app) to not work properly.
Example(s):
I have a pair of Jabra Elite Active 65t earbuds,pair-up & work fine,but,the companion app will not work,as it requires a plug-in app to fuel it. These various "plug-in" apps are typical & the companion apps work fine elsewhere,but,not on this phone.
Reason being,the "plug-in" app does not have a user interface,so,you cannot make the app a top 5 protected app to gain functionality,it simply won't work at all.
Ditto for smartwatches such as the Samsung line-up, for the same reason,no notifications,worked one day for me & broken the next,before & after the most recent Oppo update. That results in the Samsung smartwatch getting a lobotomy,only able to keep time & nothing more.
10) Package tracking apps:
Again,the top 5 protected thing,no timely updates & even then,mine simply did not refresh automatically,had to be done manually.
I could go on, but, in a nutshell, you're forced to make sacrifices as soon as you start using the phone. If this was a entry level/low storage/low RAM device, that's one thing.
But, it's not, basically a Lamborghini running on two cylinders, that's not what I paid for & why I sold mine 5 days after the most frustrating phone experience I've ever seen....
Sent from my HUAWEI BKL-L04 using XDA Labs

Monty Burns said:
Yeah, it's on some sort of power trip (literally, in both senses of the phrase). That said, if you read through the thread i created, following a firmware upgrade yesterday and after a "settling period" things have been almost faultless today. My phone has been faultless and even thrown in a couple of reboots to challenge it and still been OK. My last problem of Gmail being forced to drop to 15 minute syncs instead of Push also seems to have resolved itself.
Now, i'm not sure if this is some sort of OS learning which apps I use, the firmware or just plain luck (or a combo) but, i'm now very happy with the device.
If you want your own launcher, it is entirely possible, as is removing the bloat (i'm running Nova) and there is no need to register with Oppo either. The link to achieve that is also in the thread I linked to.
I have no idea about battery life as when I'm at work it sits in a dock and then when i'm at home, it's also mostly in a dock so, battery life isn't really a concern but, i guess I'll find out this weekend!
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That's very reassuring for me. Are you able to view the screen on time in this device? (Dunno why colorOS hides that).

radioraheem2 said:
1: The mechanism feels very durable, and 95% of the time the camera pops up fast. I have encountered 5% of time when the camera would pop up but the camera app takes an additional second or two to load.
2: nope. Unable to use nova launcher unless you into adb and do all types of advanced phone geek thing or something.
3: there's noticeable dust on my camera module but doesn't seem to be a big deal.
The big issue with this phone you should take note is, like many Chinese roms, push notifications are delayed or broken if the app has been closed or in background too long. There is a work around for this -- you have to go to settings and turn battery optimization off AND lock the app in the app overview window. This is of course, not ideal and annoying as hell. Currently I only have crucial "must get notifications on time" apps locked, such as whatsapp, wechat and Gmail. So for the most part I can use the phone fine. But I do miss all other notifications such as airbnb messages, Facebook messages, LinkedIn messages, until I open those apps again. I could lock all of them down too, but I don't want to have like seven apps running in background at all times.
This is a problem with many Chinese version of Chinese phones. I don't know why they think battery optimization so aggressive it kills notifications is a good thing.
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Thanks for the response. Hope backgeound app management better with the Global ROM.

The international version goes on sale in India and the Philippines today. We should soon get an idea of what the phone is capable of when it isn't hobbled by the oppressive Chinese firmware.

KOLIOSIS said:
1) Stock Android provides for incoming notifications to be seamless (automatic by default, individual 3rd party app settings may be different by default, but, can be easily toggled on). Oppo has severe restrictions on this, limiting to 5 user installed apps to start automatically on boot & 5 apps total to be locked in recent memory.
So, a high horsepower phone is basically muzzled, if you can deal with the angst of wondering if you're going to get timely notifications...... Perhaps if you use the stock email & messaging apps, these will likely work, but, I would steer clear of those....
2) No NFC, so, no tap to pay apps will work.
3) No VoLTE, no VoWI-FI
4) No status bar notification icons, no LED notification indicator.
5) If you use T-Mobile Digits & it isn't a top 5 protected app/one of your precious 5 to auto start on boot, it will log you out of the app on reboot & it will not work until you set it up again, resulting in missed messages & phone calls.
6) 3rd party clock apps: Again, if it's not a protected top 5 app, it will not keep proper time, resulting in missed alarms..... The stock clock works, but, it is a bare bones app at best, no snooze adjustment, locked into 5 minutes, SERIOUSLY?
7) Ad Blockers will work, but, intermittently, again, the top 5 protected app thing & even then, Oppo will kill it off at some point, resulting in having to restart the blocking.
8) If you choose to use a 3rd party launcher, you again lose some functionality. I use Chrome & frequently place shortcuts on my desktop from it.
NOT ON THIS PHONE, another swing & a miss....
9) Bluetooth devices:
Generally they work fine,but,if the device has a companion app,prepare for it (the app) to not work properly.
Example(s):
I have a pair of Jabra Elite Active 65t earbuds,pair-up & work fine,but,the companion app will not work,as it requires a plug-in app to fuel it. These various "plug-in" apps are typical & the companion apps work fine elsewhere,but,not on this phone.
Reason being,the "plug-in" app does not have a user interface,so,you cannot make the app a top 5 protected app to gain functionality,it simply won't work at all.
Ditto for smartwatches such as the Samsung line-up, for the same reason,no notifications,worked one day for me & broken the next,before & after the most recent Oppo update. That results in the Samsung smartwatch getting a lobotomy,only able to keep time & nothing more.
10) Package tracking apps:
Again,the top 5 protected thing,no timely updates & even then,mine simply did not refresh automatically,had to be done manually.
I could go on, but, in a nutshell, you're forced to make sacrifices as soon as you start using the phone. If this was a entry level/low storage/low RAM device, that's one thing.
But, it's not, basically a Lamborghini running on two cylinders, that's not what I paid for & why I sold mine 5 days after the most frustrating phone experience I've ever seen....
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Really appreciate the response. That seems a lot of sacrifices which I can make except for the Smartwatch thing. Do you think the Wear OS watches will crippled the same was as the Gear ones? (Despite Wear OS being a single app with no companion apps unlike the Gear)

prophet558 said:
Really appreciate the response. That seems a lot of sacrifices which I can make except for the Smartwatch thing. Do you think the Wear OS watches will crippled the same was as the Gear ones? (Despite Wear OS being a single app with no companion apps unlike the Gear)
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If you don't make it a "Top 5 Protected" app, count on it not syncing properly/automatically.

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The international version goes on sale in India and the Philippines today. We should soon get an idea of what the phone is capable of when it isn't hobbled by the oppressive Chinese firmware.
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They have given a tentative delivery date - 5th of August on Flipkart (India).

Screw it I just pre-ordered it (Bordeaux Red). Shipping starts from 4th of August. Hope the phone gets relatively better with the Global Indian ROM. Thank you all for your inputs.

Does it has hi dac like vivo nex ?

rowihel2012 said:
Does it has hi dac like vivo nex ?
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No it doesn't.

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If you don't make it a "Top 5 Protected" app, count on it not syncing properly/automatically.
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As a Wear OS user (Polar M600) i can absolutely CONFIRM what Koliosis is saying and this is not just limited to Samsung Watches.
That said, my watch has been fine now for 2 days and, even after a reboot, the same apps are still auto-run and remain locked. I actually like this solution now BUT, why the FRACK have they restricted it to only 5 apps!?
Anyway, as an example, my locked and running fine apps are:
Wear OS
The Crypto App (so it's widget runs OK - take note, to run a widget, the PARENT app needs to be locked sometimes)
WhatsApp
Gmail
Google Calendar (again, for it's widget)
Now, for me, this is perfectly OK and I have no need to even want to lock other apps (like Facebook) as i'm not interested however, you need to assess YOUR needs which may be more apps.
edit: Oh, oddly, i've got the Sony Experia clock widget installed and that runs perfectly even without being locked and I've no idea why!
Also, I've got the red and it looks stunning. Easily the best looking phone i've ever owned. You'll be happy with the physical design.

prophet558 said:
They have given a tentative delivery date - 5th of August on Flipkart (India).
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Same here, will share my inputs once I receive the device :fingers-crossed:

Funk Wizard said:
Same here, will share my inputs once I receive the device :fingers-crossed:
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Looking forward to it....
I'd be open to getting the phone again,provided the version you'll be getting won't be locked-down,as far as Auto-Start/RAM/recents/app permissions go.
If you've perused the threads here,you're aware of the limitations the users have with the Chinese version,I sure hope your experience is leaps & bounds better.............. :good:

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Looking forward to it....
I'd be open to getting the phone again,provided the version you'll be getting won't be locked-down,as far as Auto-Start/RAM/recents/app permissions go.
If you've perused the threads here,you're aware of the limitations the users here have with the Chinese version,I sure hope your experience is leaps & bounds better.............. :good:
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If these restrictions do not exist on a non-Chinese version, I'll be flashing as soon as it is possible and a method is detailed!

KOLIOSIS said:
Looking forward to it....
I'd be open to getting the phone again,provided the version you'll be getting won't be locked-down,as far as Auto-Start/RAM/recents/app permissions go.
If you've perused the threads here,you're aware of the limitations the users have with the Chinese version,I sure hope your experience is leaps & bounds better.............. :good:
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I am positive for a better experience on the Indian version which is already better in terms of bloat and hopefully we can do a workaround for the other issues. I will keep you posted. Currently it's a long wait as the tentative delivery is 5th August so I'll share my inputs after playing with the machine for a couple of days
Many thanks for your inputs so far and the adb workaround for bloat.
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app closing and battery saver [Umidigi F1]

So I like the big battery in this phone, but I hate that when I open an app, and it loads (facebook for example), then I get an incoming email, so I tap the notification to open and read my email, the phone closes/ends my fb app. When I go back to fb, it re-launches the app all over again. It's annoying when I'm in the middle of something, and it'll force-close and lose everything I was typing. I've enabled dev options, and see an option in there for apps "Don't keep activities" (destroy every activity as soon as the user leaves it) which sounds like exactly what is happening, but this option is disabled. I've disabled every possible battery saver option I can find.
Anyone know where else to look? You wouldn't think it'd be a big thing, but it's really annoying having to spend extra time re-launching every single app as opposed to just switching between them already launched.
Thanks in advance!

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So I like the big battery in this phone, but I hate that when I open an app, and it loads (facebook for example), then I get an incoming email, so I tap the notification to open and read my email, the phone closes/ends my fb app. When I go back to fb, it re-launches the app all over again. It's annoying when I'm in the middle of something, and it'll force-close and lose everything I was typing. I've enabled dev options, and see an option in there for apps "Don't keep activities" (destroy every activity as soon as the user leaves it) which sounds like exactly what is happening, but this option is disabled. I've disabled every possible battery saver option I can find.
Anyone know where else to look? You wouldn't think it'd be a big thing, but it's really annoying having to spend extra time re-launching every single app as opposed to just switching between them already launched.
Thanks in advance!
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I am using Ruthless Pixel launcher, from here xda, and I haven't got this problem. May be you have to disable the DuraSpeed from Settings.
Bye!

I tried a different launcher. I'll try the one you use. I've even had problems with the launcher having to "restart" and when I go back to the homescreen, it takes several seconds for that to load.

same problem here, every battery saver option disabeled, duraspeed off, and everything that i need to to i did in the developer options, but literally every app reboots after i switch to an other. any news on how to get rid of it?

I've switched between several different launchers. This isn't a launcher problem. It's a phone software problem.

radi0chik said:
So I like the big battery in this phone, but I hate that when I open an app, and it loads (facebook for example), then I get an incoming email, so I tap the notification to open and read my email, the phone closes/ends my fb app. When I go back to fb, it re-launches the app all over again. It's annoying when I'm in the middle of something, and it'll force-close and lose everything I was typing. I've enabled dev options, and see an option in there for apps "Don't keep activities" (destroy every activity as soon as the user leaves it) which sounds like exactly what is happening, but this option is disabled. I've disabled every possible battery saver option I can find.
Anyone know where else to look? You wouldn't think it'd be a big thing, but it's really annoying having to spend extra time re-launching every single app as opposed to just switching between them already launched.
Thanks in advance!
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I'm running Nova Launcher and see what you're talking about...if you leave a Facebook post you're working on open, then go to research something else, even though the draft post is there on screen when you scroll for it, the post will close and re-open before you can edit it again, wiping out the draft. A bug that needs to be fixed, indeed. The weirder thing is, after looking at it some more, is that it isn't easy to consistently replicate. Weird, indeed.

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I'm running Nova Launcher and see what you're talking about...if you leave a Facebook post you're working on open, then go to research something else, even though the draft post is there on screen when you scroll for it, the post will close and re-open before you can edit it again, wiping out the draft. A bug that needs to be fixed, indeed. The weirder thing is, after looking at it some more, is that it isn't easy to consistently replicate. Weird, indeed.
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So I packaged my phone up last night and shipped it back this morning. But a buddy of mine MAY have figured out how to make it work. Go to Duraspeed and ENABLE it. Then ENABLE the apps (or all apps) that you want to STAY ALIVE in the background. See if that allows them to all run, yeah, like making a fb post type thing. Report back. I may have to go buy it again!

I have ZimLX and no issue with background apps.

radi0chik said:
So I packaged my phone up last night and shipped it back this morning. But a buddy of mine MAY have figured out how to make it work. Go to Duraspeed and ENABLE it. Then ENABLE the apps (or all apps) that you want to STAY ALIVE in the background. See if that allows them to all run, yeah, like making a fb post type thing. Report back. I may have to go buy it again!
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That only helps a little bit, if you switch between tw games, or a game than check facebook and then whatzapp, the game resets. Also if you like switch to 3 different apps, they usually reset and get force closed from the systhem.
Also if you turn on duraspeed, youtube vanced gets forceclosed, even when it is allowed in duraspeed.
So what i do right now is enable duraspeed and the app that i want and whenever i wanna hear music in the background, i have to disable duraspeed.
Also, it is a real dealbreaker right now, it´s just way to buggy.
it seems like they programmed a way too harsh task kille in on purpose to give a longe battery life.
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monoculero said:
I am using Ruthless Pixel launcher, from here xda, and I haven't got this problem. May be you have to disable the DuraSpeed from Settings.
Bye!
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Not true, everyone has these problems nomather what launcher, it is a software problem.
Usually everyone has tryed to disable duraspeed of course and whatnot.

This problem/bug is really annoying. It makes me hate the phone to be honest.
How/who do we report this too?

Try here - https://community.umidigi.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=210
From what I've seen, Umidigi employees monitor and are active in their Forums, so hopefully someone will pay attention.

I have ZimXL and no issues with background apps closing. Are you on the latest ROM?

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I have ZimXL and no issues with background apps closing. Are you on the latest ROM?
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obviously we habe the lastest rom and every user has that problem it is a rom problem.
Also, what is a zim xl, google gives nothing about that.

I had a few apps do screwy things with the powersaver on , and it would be a few. Kroger app would crash and would not work until you uninstall and reinstall it. Att Uverse app, when you login it give a message about allow permissions, it had all, anything that need the gps. if I turn off the power saver I do not have those issues.

crystalpepe said:
obviously we habe the lastest rom and every user has that problem it is a rom problem.
Also, what is a zim xl, google gives nothing about that.
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[Edit]Actually this doesn't work well. A couple posts down is my fix that works.
I logged in after a while to post this! This is a reply to you and op and anyone else having this "problem". Thanks to this forum post, I found a solution. I think it's an ingenious design they created. If you want every app to run in the background, *enable Duraspeed and enable all apps* in the top right corner. Then, *Reboot your phone*.
After you do this, the phone will magically be as fast as it should again. It's like I rebought a phone 100x better then what I was using .
The ingenious part of it is, if you don't want certain apps running in the background then Disable them! (you'll probably have to reboot for any change to be applied)
I love this design and I am now back in love with my Umidigi F1 , hope this helps everyone.

i sold it like 3 months ago and fixed a broken note 9 for cheap. my friend who owns the f1 since then still has this issue even when he tried your fix.
also another friend who owns a f1 play has this issue since the last update he had, he even newly installed / whiped it and so on, seems like umidigi just has problems with theis software and also it seems like it only affects a few people.

crystalpepe said:
i sold it like 3 months ago and fixed a broken note 9 for cheap. my friend who owns the f1 since then still has this issue even when he tried your fix.
also another friend who owns a f1 play has this issue since the last update he had, he even newly installed / whiped it and so on, seems like umidigi just has problems with theis software and also it seems like it only affects a few people.
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Hello, I agree. The fix wasn't 100%.
So here is the official fix, and once again it makes sense. (You might have to enable developer mode)
Go to your apps/notifications in settings, select an app, under the app click advanced, Battery, then battery Optimizations. Under that page go through your apps and disable optimizations for apps you want to stay on in the background.
Found this out and it works.
Actually figured it out once I read your post
If it doesn't work, reboot your phone.
Still doesn't work, do this along with duraspeed on the selected apps.
Still doesn't work, might just be the app. (Some of my games still don't stay in memory)
It's working good for me now, but if I wanted more apps to stay open I'd check developer settings and turn Max apps to keep in memory to the highest amount.
and I agree, it's a bit unpolished. Probably something to do with their battery optimizations and Android's not being compatable.

Tried several methods and nothing truly works. Your best bet is to flash a GSI/rom. Or just root the phone and install "ram fix by cork" magisk mod. I'm using the latter method and it works fine.

Yep the software itself has far too aggressive memory management despite it having 4Gb of RAM and kills apps far too quickly.
I complained about it to UMIDIGI support and they said go buy an F2.
What i did was used this forum to install Lineage OS and now have no memory issues

Either install a GSI (I suggest LOSQ) or download RAM Management Fix by Crock if you can find it, it's not in Magisk anymore.

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