i need to stop throttling from kernel is this possible ?
i tried all kernels and only underclocking delayed it a little bit but not disabled it.
btw my story :
i switched from g9600 to g965f (sd845 chinese s9 to european ****ty exynos s9 plus) because s9 screen is small. But in pubg, exynos performs like ****. i think this is just a FAKE cpu and gpu at all. After throttle in these summer days its like my old LG G5 with a cooling mod performing at peak. here : https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g5/how-to/hw-mod-improve-performance-prevent-t3821462/page3
35-55 fps flactuating holy crap. this is an 2018 flagship device WTF is going on. Even you can underclock SD845 to give 200.000 antutu and its still far far far better then exynos cooled with a fan (active cooling no throttle)
i was aware of this ****, they stopped sending free phones to anandtech because they uncovered this.
but i didnt know it was this bad on pubg. it seems like antutu scores are nothing to do with pubg performance of exynos. may be its about optimization or bad cpu gpu architecture for pubg.
i thouht that s9 plus has a bigger frame bigger heatsink so may be its not throttling like exynos s9, they are not talking about it on anandtech lasrhşaoırghşoeırghjea
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12615/improving-exynos-9810-galaxy-s9-part-1
I think only WhiteWolf kernel disabled termal but when phone gets very hot System turning off all applications
trying it now, seems like there is not throttle. i changed shıtty layer on cpu with a copper and thermal paste so its cooling faster but giving more heat to battery.
I've been using S9+ Duos with exynos SoC and never had throttling or fps drops on pubg... are you using a case or something that makes the phone extremely hot?
Don't forget thermal throttling is to protect the SoC... and staying on high temps for long time will decrease SoC lifetime...
If you have money and don't care about that then there's no problem on using a kernel with thermals disabled.
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thanks man its not throttling with whitewolf kernel now. im getting onsistent 59-60 fps all the time now like a snapdragon 845 device is not getting too hot, i have a fan anyway to improve battery longevity.
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I've been using S9+ Duos with exynos SoC and never had throttling or fps drops on pubg... are you using a case or something that makes the phone extremely hot?
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Nobody noticing it. Only me and other pros noticing it. i have shtloads of friends like you who is playing with 35-55 fps in throttle and they are not noticing anything. Even i have a friend with duo exynos model in gym and he is playing with 35-45 fps. drop is a different thing, im talking about FPS DECREASE.
May be you are in a very cold environment. use smooth/extreme and get fps on display (gamebench or gltools) and see massive fps decrease after throttle.
BTW your asking me if im using a case holy crap did you looked at my lg g5 mod ? aergaergt
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g5/how-to/hw-mod-improve-performance-prevent-t3821462/page3
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thanks man its not throttling with whitewolf kernel now. im getting onsistent 59-60 fps all the time now like a snapdragon 845 device is not getting too hot, i have a fan anyway to improve battery longevity.
Nobody noticing it. Only me and other pros noticing it. i have shtloads of friends like you who is playing with 35-55 fps in throttle and they are not noticing anything. Even i have a friend with duo exynos model in gym and he is playing with 35-45 fps. drop is a different thing, im talking about FPS DECREASE.
May be you are in a very cold environment. use smooth/extreme and get fps on display (gamebench or gltools) and see massive fps decrease after throttle.
BTW your asking me if im using a case holy crap did you looked at my lg g5 mod ? aergaergt
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g5/how-to/hw-mod-improve-performance-prevent-t3821462/page3
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[emoji2369] Again, I live in Argentina... temps goes from 2°C to 15°C on Winter and from 20°C to 38°C on summer...
I'm not a Pro, and don't need to, to notice and measure it. I'm just a simple Sr. System and Network engineer that plays with graphics set at max, and althought snapdragon has better performance than exynos my FPS counter has NEVER dropped even when playing for longer periods.
And I play with the phone using a Spigen NeoHybrid model case...
Don't know your scenario to evaluate wether is your device, ambient temps, etc.
Maybe your model has some kind of design issue... mine is a SM-G965FD
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[emoji2369] Again, I live in Argentina... temps goes from 2°C to 15°C on Winter and from 20°C to 38°C on summer...
I'm not a Pro, and don't need to for be able to notice and measure it, but I do play with graphics set at max, and althought snapdragon has better performance than exynos my FPS counter has NEVER dropped even when playing for longer periods.
And I play with the phone using a Spigen NeoHybrid model case...
Don't know your scenario to evaluate wether is your device, ambient temps, etc.
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may be you have a no throttle kernel
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may be you have a no throttle kernel
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I'm using XSG stock rom (non-rooted right now)
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I'm using XSG stock rom (non-rooted right now)
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hmm probably you are in cold and your a lucky guy.
there is stloads of guys on the internet like me
on this forum :
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...g-mobile-low-fps-lag-bad-performance-t3909636
and strange lag problem :
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s9-plus/help/games-slow-gradually-temporarily-fixed-t3793749
this strange problem only happening with exynos 9810 and 9820. if you go to multitask and come back to game its normalizing
on 9820 its not working and people getting refund because they cant play pubg at all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6pfo9tvaeM&t=70s
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We have smashed into the performance ceiling. Without active cooling or massive increases in efficiency through improved architecture, there is no way smartphones (or tablets) can become more powerful.
I can't use 75% of this phone's potential performance while playing San Andreas. With a custom kernel and thermal throttling disabled, the phone shoots up to 90c in minutes and then reboots; that is with 'On Demand' and max frequency at 1.73 ghz.
Coming from a gnex (max stock freq. could reach 80c), absolute performance has become meaningless. Maybe it has been for a while.
This is absolutely true. We need fans or cooling systems if we shall be able to take full advantage of the massive powers in our phones. For now, I think the only way is to play our favorite games in a freezer.
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otherwise lg would melt ...
or, you can root your phone and disable thermal throttle. then you can use it at full performance up until you reach the thermal shutdown temp without worrying your cpu being thermally throttled
and i had a gnex as well, it could reach 110C. i always turned off thermal throttle, and always turn off thermal throttle on my nexus 5. you dont reach thermal shutdown without actively trying too, and the cpu doesn't get throttled.
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While that statement was not even close to being true when you posted it, tomorrow it'll be less true, etc etc.
If you build the exact same chip with a smaller die process, the smaller die process chip will be more efficient (cooler) and faster. Then there are of course other improvements that are continuously being made, more cores to spread the load, faster ram to reduce bottlenecks, etc, etc, again, all while getting faster and cooler because of improved production methods.
So no, phones will get more powerful, more ram, better screens etc.. Maybe someday we'll have another battery breakthrough, but right now with the massive push on efficiency we're getting some runtime back on batteries, etc.
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While that statement was not even close to being true when you posted it.
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Actually it is true. The performance on the G2 is limited by heat. You can't run the phone under load at or near its max specified frequency for any reasonable period of time. Try it yourself. To deny that is to deny facts.
Also, a smaller die reduces the surface area for the dissipation of heat.
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Actually it is true. The performance on the G2 is limited by heat. You can't run the phone under load at or near its max specified frequency for any reasonable period of time. Try it yourself. To deny that is to deny facts.
Also, a smaller die reduces the surface area for the dissipation of heat.
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Read the OP, it states "smartphones". Oh wait, you are the OP
vPro97 said:
This is absolutely true. We need fans or cooling systems if we shall be able to take full advantage of the massive powers in our phones. For now, I think the only way is to play our favorite games in a freezer.
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Lol fans aren't a good solution
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Time ago a saw a cooling case. If i find the site again, i will post it.
Imagine the HTC One, but with a heat pipe transferring heat from the SOC to the aluminum case... That would provide more cooling, but I'm not sure of the size penalty of the heat pipe.
Also, more efficient chips CAN provide more power and generate less heat. A perfect example is Intel's pentium4 "netburst" architecture vs the newer and considerably more efficient "core duo" chips.
Take care
Gary
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are there any phones out there that don't heat up while performing great in all demanding titles?
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well yeah smartphones aren't designed to run at 100% of the cpu/gpu speed for long periods of time. If they were, they would have to be a lot bigger and/or have active cooling. I guess I never really noticed the "wall" because all the mobile games I play do not push the phone to the limit. When you are comparing it to the past though, remember the newest CPUs are significantly faster clock for clock. 1.5ghz is not the same for an A9 vs Krait 400.
So what iz the solution ? Do we have any modification or init.d script to disable that cooling system ?
Solution Is a thermal pad on CPU
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Solution Is a thermal pad on CPU
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:V ...
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It's time to void warranty ! :V
I know, the Tegra K1 gets hot. Is this a widespread issue though (some people only report minor warmth)? How hot is too hot? Mine is getting stoopid hot, and I'm pissed because I finally have a unit with almost no issues, save the over heating problem. I know the SHIELD has issues with screen cracking, and the N9 should be safer with the metal band, but something doesn't seem right...
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This.
combine that with a badly configured cpu governor that boosts the frequencies to 2+ ghz even for simple tasks that do not need all those cpu cycles.
In addition to the whopping 1.5ghz touchboost frequency (WTF google).
After rooting and fixing the last two points, I experience high temps only when playing games.
Blocking Ads also tremendously helps temps while web browsing.
I wouldn't consider it a problem. I also doubt you have a bad unit even though its getting hot. Chances are if you do the exact same things on 100 nexus 9's the temp will be very close. I've been looking through the kernel code for tegra throttling and doing some tests. The tests show it starts to very lightly throttle starting at 70c in my tests. I believe I saw in the kernel there is 3 throttling states basically, light, heavy, and one other I can't remember. Shutdown occurs at right above 100°c.
As far as the governor, I'm sure if it made sense gooe would have lowered it. But, if I remember right this was part of project butter to make the ui smooth, as well as some other things. I don't think touch boost is killing battery too bad, and I'm willing to sacrifice some for a smoother ui anyway.
Thisbis just a hit running CPU, no way around it and its not a defect, its just a side effect of a powerful CPU in this design. I also noticed although it heats up quick, it cools extrememly fast. Like dropping 15-20° in seconds, literally- so overall I don't think this is a huge problem, but if they can make it better, more power to them.
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I wouldn't consider it a problem. I also doubt you have a bad unit even though its getting hot. Chances are if you do the exact same things on 100 nexus 9's the temp will be very close. I've been looking through the kernel code for tegra throttling and doing some tests. The tests show it starts to very lightly throttle starting at 70c in my tests. I believe I saw in the kernel there is 3 throttling states basically, light, heavy, and one other I can't remember. Shutdown occurs at right above 100°c.
As far as the governor, I'm sure if it made sense gooe would have lowered it. But, if I remember right this was part of project butter to make the ui smooth, as well as some other things. I don't think touch boost is killing battery too bad, and I'm willing to sacrifice some for a smoother ui anyway.
Thisbis just a hit running CPU, no way around it and its not a defect, its just a side effect of a powerful CPU in this design. I also noticed although it heats up quick, it cools extrememly fast. Like dropping 15-20° in seconds, literally- so overall I don't think this is a huge problem, but if they can make it better, more power to them.
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im really happy to hear about your thought
but if the heat issue occurs many times, will it break the others hardware,
i have seen in laptop, if the graphics card heat too much, it can melt the motherboard and the others parts of the laptop,
im afraid that it will happen to this tablet eventually
i really love my nexus 9, just this heat issue make me incomfortable
Hello guys,
I bought this phone about two days after release and was pretty happy with it. It felt like the Snapdragon 810 didn't overheat at all and the performance was far better than on my "old" Z3.
Reason enough for me to try PPSSPP and emulate some good old games. For example MHP3rd ran at 100% speed in every area in-game with no frameskip activated.
But after some time (I'd say 20-30 mins) the cpu throttled a lot. The game speed was only at 50% even though the device didn't feel THAT hot (I've seen/felt hotter ones).
I tried the same thing again with the app "CPU Temp", and it seems like the CPU temperature never exceeded about 58°C. I'm not sure about smartphone CPUs but as far as I know, most chips can take up to 80-90°C until they start throttling. My Z5c runs at 52-58°C perfectly fine, but suddenly starts throttling for some reason.
Is it the CPU governor that tries to save battery life? I'd probably need to root the phone to "fix" this, but there are no roots available yet.
Or is it something else? Is the max. cpu temperature set too low? Could it be the S810 has no real temperature sensor and CPU Temp shows me something completely different?
Thanks in advance!
Greets,
Uftherr
I think that Sony it's throttling the CPU more to be below 58°C than to save battery life.
Try with the latest firmware (released today at PC Companion) it seems to be a little more snappier (maybe its a placebo).
I don't know why because the kernel is from the same date.
I consider that they should let the phone gain 65°C to increase the performance (at heat cost).
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Now I have a nexus 6p, I love the vibration motor, display and reception, but really really disappointed for processor, very slow, too much thermal throttling, too much stutter and slugginess,I have still my xiaomi and it is better in everything except camera and display.
Hating nougat tho lol
yeah, I agree with you. I'd a htc one M8(32g version) before and let me tell you my M8 very smooth and battery life is good audio in speakers and headphones are great. and most things that important to me having various developers with many differences in their roms (specially: Viper(venom),Sky Dragon(sense&gp), InsertCoin, leedroid, eragon, renovate, revolution Hd,MIUI,sk-redbull,...,too many aosp& CM mode) plus too many batches include great audio batches like Harman/Kardon or Boom sound and Beats audio,..
likewise I have multirom with 3 base of android (kitkat/Lollipop/Marshmallow) in sense roms without any issues
Of course I know the camera or display in Nexuse 6p is great battery not bad and sound not too far from M8(in speakers mostly not in headphones sadly) but I expect more than this because it'd costs 200% more than M8 to me
however could be worse if I bought Note 5! ? ? ???
sorry for my bad english-noob words!! ?
Useless post. Return the phone.
Have none if those performance issues. Maybe u mistakenly have an iphonie instead of that badboy 6P!
Really thermal throttling starts at 45 degrees and phone on idle stays at 43-44 Lol , most of the time 1 or 2 cores are offline or frequence is cutted down, is It for real Google?
Return the phone and buy another. Stop complaining.
Yes, all the review sites and youtubers call it fastest phone, but probably you are right, its slow slugish and stuttering lol
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Really thermal throttling starts at 45 degrees and phone on idle stays at 43-44 Lol , most of the time 1 or 2 cores are offline or frequence is cutted down, is It for real Google?
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You can edit thermal conf, make it throttle later. Is kind of the point of a nexus, one can root it and do pretty much what one wants.
Actually I'm using It without thermal engine, and now It is better, but very disappoint this processor
Hello everyone.
I own pro version of mate 10 and when i play games on it (like PubG and Modern combat 5)on very high settings it start Lagging constantly and FPS drops quickly i don't know why is this happening on high end device..If someone know how to handle this situation please tell me..
Thank You.
Sardar0131 said:
Hello everyone.
I own pro version of mate 10 and when i play games on it (like PubG and Modern combat 5)on very high settings it start Lagging constantly and FPS drops quickly i don't know why is this happening on high end device..If someone know how to handle this situation please tell me..
Thank You.
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Buy another phone, not Huawei their Kirin processors are not good. They somehow perform well in benchmarks but they are a lot worse in real life than snapdragon or exynos (and of course apple)
I benchmarked many games... Maximum 10 min of gaming then there is thermal throttling because it gets too hot. Then fps drops 1/3 at least.
Just tested pubg on HDR setting and anti aliasing enabled. It starts with 40fps but after 5 min drops to 15-25fps and also lags, unplayable.
Even normal games with not so good graphics get fps drops after 10-15min like Sonic. Common Huawei, my sister is playing Sonic on a 250€ Samsung A5 2017
Look at the screenshots, it starts with 40fps but many lags and frame drops. After a couple minutes it drops to constant 20fps. The other shows CPU usage but that is not working obviously. Somehow it gets an average of 30fps but that's bs. It is not playable.
Yeah.. Same with me when i switch to HD settings of pubG it lags little bit.. But when i switch on HDR it become unplayable. I will upgrade to one plus soon.
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if you got root then disable the power genius app and restart. this app slows phone down to prevent overheat. i tested this with pubg and asphalt 8 at 60fps. constant 60 FPS even after 30 mins of gaming. with HDR i get constant 40-45.
PS: the phone will get warm because of 12 GPU cores so be in a cool room while playing.
same here. using m10p and lagging on PubG even on High settings. But it improved on the latest firmware (BLA-L29 C636 B138)
PUBG lagg on Mate 10 Pro not because of Kirin. It laggs because PUBG is not optimized game at all. Same for people that play PUBG throu their desktop computers. I watched my friend playing PUBG on his 2k PC and still gettin' FPS dropped and lagg. Although Mate gets hot after 10 till 20 minutes of gaming.
Interesting to read this, I have a Note 8 atm and I play a lot of PUBG, I'm about to trade my Note 8 in for a Mate 10 Pro (Don't judge) as I'm a little bored of my phone now and annoyed of the poor battery life and awful mono speaker. The Mate 10 Pro ticks more boxes for what I require, so I'm hoping a software update will fix the FPS.
I don't play PubG but I do however play the recently released Asphalt 9 which as far as I know is pretty intensive and get minimal heat and it runs smooth for well over a hour, I don't notice any FPS drop, I haven't checked statistically what it's running at while playing but if the drop was severe then I'd definitely notice it
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I don't play PubG but I do however play the recently released Asphalt 9 which as far as I know is pretty intensive and get minimal heat and it runs smooth for well over a hour, I don't notice any FPS drop, I haven't checked statistically what it's running at while playing but if the drop was severe then I'd definitely notice it
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Thanks for this info, sounds like I should expect similar to what I get at the moment then, maybe an improvement once the update comes out to boost the GPU.
I used to play Shadow Fight 3. Till the release of update 142 it worked flawlessly,even on longer playing sessions....then,dunno what brains of Huawei did,it became unplayable.
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I used to play Shadow Fight 3. Till the release of update 142 it worked flawlessly....then,dunno what brains of Huawei did,it became unplayable.
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Sounds to me that they like bringing out these new features, meaning these new features are "let's break something that worked perfectly before"...that's the gist I've got off these forums.....I'm hoping I'm not going to regret my decision now I've ordered the Mate 10 Pro
Exactly. That was my thought too.
But I'm keeping it cuz of job and unrivaled battery life. As a business phone it's flawless.
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Interesting to read this, I have a Note 8 atm and I play a lot of PUBG, I'm about to trade my Note 8 in for a Mate 10 Pro (Don't judge) as I'm a little bored of my phone now and annoyed of the poor battery life and awful mono speaker. The Mate 10 Pro ticks more boxes for what I require, so I'm hoping a software update will fix the FPS.
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Yes, they will release GPU Turbo for Boost in GPU performance in Games
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Exactly. That was my thought too.
But I'm keeping it cuz of job and unrivaled battery life. As a business phone it's flawless.
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One of the main reason I'm moving to the Mate 10 Pro is for battery life, it'll be nice to have a phone that can last a whole day with heavy use, my last phone that did that was iPhone 6s Plus.
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Yes, they will release GPU Turbo for Boost in GPU performance in Games
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I've read that, hoping it applies to PUBG!
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I've read that, hoping it applies to PUBG!
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It does cuz PBUG is their main "selling" point
Fps drop bcause of overheat. the cpu and gpu will reduce the speed when reach certain temp to prevent soc chip die....if u are gamer, use smartphone cooler or buy rog phone
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if you got root then disable the power genius app and restart. this app slows phone down to prevent overheat. i tested this with pubg and asphalt 8 at 60fps. constant 60 FPS even after 30 mins of gaming. with HDR i get constant 40-45.
PS: the phone will get warm because of 12 GPU cores so be in a cool room while playing.
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The power genius app, is it an app? Can u elaborate more on this? Need root to do this?