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GOT 720p clearing up the hack a bit and will release it most probably tomorrow
sorry for the confusin
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RP7LCIU4
here is the image
now thats the kinda stuff im talking about !
lets get some effort on this, gonna start digging thru the source now..
it would be awesome if we can get this working !!!!!!!!!!!
Everytime there is a new post, I check this thread, sadly its just motivational comments. If this happens though, we will have one more thing that makes the Nexus and even better phone.
Btw guys, the sensor is definitely capable of it. Like mentioned by the OP, it's just the encoding that is holding this up.
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Btw guys, the sensor is definitely capable of it. Like mentioned by the OP, it's just the encoding that is holding this up.
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What is the problem with the encoding to start with? I would much prefer to use the h264 codec to record video to start with, why does using it crash the camera app?
I think it would be better if we could get a constant bit rate for the video recorder instead, just like on the Milestone/Droid, rather than the frame skipping in indoor light conditions.
I also hope one day we can get a better audio format rather than 8kHz AMR in our video recordings :-(
But this is a good initiative anyway..
dsixda said:
I think it would be better if we could get a constant bit rate for the video recorder instead, just like on the Milestone/Droid, rather than the frame skipping in indoor light conditions.
I also hope one day we can get a better audio format rather than 8kHz AMR in our video recordings :-(
But this is a good initiative anyway..
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Thats exactly what I'm looking for in terms of fps. Made a thread requesting someone add the ability to records at constant 30fps and from my testing the framerate only drops when recording indoors or in low light conditions. The indoor lighting slows everything down but out side it records perfectly and smooth. If we can get that fixed by an android pro that would be great.
As for 720p I still think thats a hardware limitation somewhere in the lense or motherboard. If it was hardware possible, how come google didnt include that from the start?
dsixda said:
I also hope one day we can get a better audio format rather than 8kHz AMR in our video recordings :-(
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Just want to second this. The audio quality is pathetic and makes it useless for recording voice. It is one thing I miss from the iPhone. I'd assume that changing the audio codec and bitrate wouldn't be too hard for a good dev (which I certainly am not).
Records VERY well in ideal outside conditions, shot this the other day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPh9NQAiBPA
Haven't tried low light, but that is using MoDaCo A21 Desire ROM.
vr24 said:
Records VERY well in ideal outside conditions, shot this the other day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPh9NQAiBPA
Haven't tried low light, but that is using MoDaCo A21 Desire ROM.
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Yes I know it works well in outdoor lighting - the point was that it skips frames indoors.
From my experience of playing DSLR
the skipping in dim environment is probably because of insufficient CPU performance. When the light is dim, slower shutter speed and higher iso is required to obtain proper exposure, thus increase the noise. More cpu resource is needed to perform noise reduction. Then if the cpu is not strong enough, it skipps
If you take photos you know when you use high ISO and noise reduction at the same time, speed and the maximum frames of continuous shooting is usually affected.
So from my view, if we cannot improve the algorithm of encoder to achieve higher efficiency(which I think is quite difficult), then force disabling the noise reduction might be a way to solve this, although the video will be noisy...
just guessing...
along with this i was also working on 30fps and 44khz sound. the max fps i could get indoor was 26, couldnt test outdoor. i am testin the sound now. Hey and 30fps is a go but 44khz sound causes fc, will check the logs. Uploading a 26.176fps video recorded on my N1. IT STILL skips some frames but the limit is lifted from 24fps stock android
Great ...
I will try it out
BUT
Your screen shot says 720 x 480 ??
That is not 720p ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/720p
The 720 refers to the height, not the lines
What you have is what is commonly referred to as DVD resolution (although really only for NTSC, as PAL is higher).
Incidentally ...
The Desire camera on the Nexus One can record at 800x480, but the I think it does it at 15 FPS and crap audio. 720x480 at 25-30 FPS with half decent audio would be very cool
Yes currently only 720x480. First trying to get decent video at this resolution. Then will move to increasing resolutions.
wow
480p to 720 p is a big jump
it's 2.67X data to process...
Nexus has the capability to do that, try recording a video on ur phone and see how fast it processes a 480p video. IDC if it takes a bit more time to process and if it can decode it it should be able to encode it. 528mhz magic 32a can record 640x480 so it should be possible for nexus with a far far better processor to atleast to 720p
anybody have the exact specifications of the nexus one processor, info about GPU and stuff, the problem on 720p is the excess load on processor which makes it hang and reboot
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anybody have the exact specifications of the nexus one processor, info about GPU and stuff, the problem on 720p is the excess load on processor which makes it hang and reboot
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This is what i could find in terms of info
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=576627
http://www.edn.com/info/CA6631784.html?industryid=48661
Not sure if it helps.
I also get the FCs with H264 but not with H263.
Well, installed the 6.3 update on my unrooted Shield , showing in the changelog that finally Tidal can stream music in hi-fi res. Nevertheless nothing has changed, in the Tidal app (Android Tv, obtained from the Play Store and registered with my payied account ) in the settings it shows Hi-fi quality, but I get Pcm 48kbps, 2 channel music signal. Nothing more.
At the contrary in my Marantz Avr, the same service active through the Heos App, gives me 320kbps AAC 2channels, at least.
What is the reason for this? Is there a setting I should adapt, to have the same quality as in my Avr on the Shield?
Thanks for your interest
Alessandro
Check this topic: forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1033748/shield-tv/tidal-hifi-native-app-vs-tidal-hifi-airplay-from-iphone/
I am using PLAY-Fi app on Samsung Galaxy 8 phone with TIDAL Hi-Fi to stream music to ANTHEM MRX 720. The sound is nearly flawless.
I tried NVDIA Shield connected using HDMI to ANTHEM MRX 720 with TIDAL on and HiFi streaming and sound was abosulutely terrible. There might be a bug in their software I have no other explaination for this.
Thanks, at least I am not alone! I will try uninstall /reinstall the Tidal app, but want to tell I have made an extensive post on GeForce forum, in the thread regarding the 6.3 update.
I have also asked what quality we do have to expect from Nvidia to Avr.
Tidal app has been released for Google Tv one month ago, so everything is new.
I have seen the article you mentioned, but it is not referred to this update.
Thanks for the heads up to the app on the phone you use, will try with other equipment in the house.
Hope we will sort this out, not a big problem, but as we have support and pay a subscription, I like to have gear working properly. Nvidia has big long term support for this hardware, so I am confident.
Regards
Alessandro
Red better the other thread you mentioned. Similar outcome. I also tried uninstalling and reinstalling the App, no changes. The different audible quality is high. The reply from Nvidia on Geforce is not sufficient.
Do you know if the Shield can pass AAC through its Hdmi output?
Regards
Alessandro
vn800art said:
Well, installed the 6.3 update on my unrooted Shield , showing in the changelog that finally Tidal can stream music in hi-fi res. Nevertheless nothing has changed, in the Tidal app (Android Tv, obtained from the Play Store and registered with my payied account ) in the settings it shows Hi-fi quality, but I get Pcm 48kbps, 2 channel music signal. Nothing more.
At the contrary in my Marantz Avr, the same service active through the Heos App, gives me 320kbps AAC 2channels, at least.
What is the reason for this? Is there a setting I should adapt, to have the same quality as in my Avr on the Shield?
Thanks for your interest
Alessandro
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I know this is an old post, so maybe you've figured this out already? But in case you haven't, the answer is that 48k PCM *is* HiFi.
CD quality is 44.1 k PCM, by comparison.
What's confusing you I think is that 48k PCM does not mean 48k bits/second, it means 48k samples per second, and 16 bit samples at that. Per channel. So the bit rate for CD, for example is 44,100 x 16 bit x 2 = 1,411,200 bps. or 1,411 kbps.
It would be ideal if the Shield output just that, but as I understand it, the Shield upscales to 48k instead of outputting at the native 44.1k So it's outputting at 1,536 kbps!
Compare to the lesser 320 kps AAC to which you refer!
Here I am! Thanks for your interest! Problem is to my ears AAC sounds significantly better than PCM. I asked also if someone could tell me how to avoid this conversion (if it is possible), which at this point looks to me the reason for my disappointment.
Regards
Alessandro
vn800art said:
Here I am! Thanks for your interest! Problem is to my ears AAC sounds significantly better than PCM. I asked also if someone could tell me how to avoid this conversion (if it is possible), which at this point looks to me the reason for my disappointment.
Regards
Alessandro
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Very strange. You see AAC is a lossy format like MP3, whereas PCM is lossless.
OK 320 kpbs AAC usually sounds pretty good, because that's a high bit rate for a lossy format, but it's lossy all the same. Whereas PCM is the format the source is almost certainly recorded in.
It's unfortunate that the Shield outputs everything at 48 kHz, but even so, the conversion of 44.1 k PCM to 48 k PCM should introduce far less distortion that conversion to 320 k AAC.
Listen, if I get Tidal out of my Marantz, it says it has AAC as input format, 2 channels. What I believe is that Tidal is transmitting AAC indeed, wereas Shield is transcoding this to PCM. This conversion worsen the audio somewhere, so bad that at my non Audiophile earing, it's fairly noticeable. And you must trust me, I often listen to 320kbps Mp3 internet radios, some are good, some are better (depends on encoders and audio processing). When I find some AAC Www radio even at 160kbps, they are significantly the best ones in the lot. Thre aren't not so many.
So, as I usually use Shield for everything streaming related, I would have liked to use it for Tidal also, but this as of today, is not the case.
Regards
Alessandro
vn800art said:
Listen, if I get Tidal out of my Marantz, it says it has AAC as input format, 2 channels. What I believe is that Tidal is transmitting AAC indeed, wereas Shield is transcoding this to PCM. This conversion worsen the audio somewhere, so bad that at my non Audiophile earing, it's fairly noticeable. And you must trust me, I often listen to 320kbps Mp3 internet radios, some are good, some are better (depends on encoders and audio processing). When I find some AAC Www radio even at 160kbps, they are significantly the best ones in the lot. Thre aren't not so many.
So, as I usually use Shield for everything streaming related, I would have liked to use it for Tidal also, but this as of today, is not the case.
Regards
Alessandro
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Sure, I am not questioning what you are hearing. I just said "very strange".
Android TV app
Hello everyone! Do you know which version of the app is it :
If you know or have the .apk file, I would be grateful !
I'm trying to find it for my android TV box because Play Store installs me the 2.11.3 version which is difficult to use on android tv with only a remote.
Thank you guys !
Hi guys!
I was surprised/disappointed to see that even a phone with Kirin 980 has time limitation for 4K videos. And it is the same 10 min limitation as phones with Qualcomm processor. As far as i know the phones with Qualcomm has that limit to prevent overheating, but i though that Mate 20 Pro with Kirin 980 will enjoy limitless 4k recording as iPhone X does. Do someone know is there an actual necessity for 10min limit with Kirin 980 and is there a workaround to disable it? I checked the phone after 10min 4K video and it was not hot at all.
Thank you.
GAINER said:
Hi guys!
I was surprised/disappointed to see that even a phone with Kirin 980 has time limitation for 4K videos. And it is the same 10 min limitation as phones with Qualcomm processor. As far as i know the phones with Qualcomm has that limit to prevent overheating, but i though that Mate 20 Pro with Kirin 980 will enjoy limitless 4k recording as iPhone X does. Do someone know is there an actual necessity for 10min limit with Kirin 980 and is there a workaround to disable it? I checked the phone after 10min 4K video and it was not hot at all.
Thank you.
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I don't think it is about preventing overheating. I worked as a video editor at my university and we used camcorders. Apparently, DSL cameras have time limitations for 4k (or lower res as well, not quite sure). The reason is simply that a camcorder is more expensive exactly due to the fact that it is specialised for video shooting and has no time limitations. I think it is just patent/marketing kind of issue
I am only guessing but it is probably a limitation of the way they write to the onboard storage. It is possible that the phone uses Ram to act as a buffer between 'on the fly' video and what it writes to the storage. This buffer might get overwhelmed over a span of time, so they might have put a hard time limit in to act as a soft cap.
kaibosh99 said:
I am only guessing but it is probably a limitation of the way they write to the onboard storage. It is possible that the phone uses Ram to act as a buffer between 'on the fly' video and what it writes to the storage. This buffer might get overwhelmed over a span of time, so they might have put a hard time limit in to act as a soft cap.
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As I seem from the ****ty video quality, it seems the buffer is overwhelmed even before it starts, so I doubt that to be the case
So a few things, the video buffer will not be that large, and will certainly not be too full at the 10min mark.. this phone has UFS flash storage, and thus can write to disk very quick, in excess of 100MB/s which is more than any video file, whilst this write value can fall down when the storage is being used for other things, the buffer will not balloon and fill up that much..
Not sure why, but there is a 10min 4K video limit, heat buildup or not, i guess they wanted to make sure that in every environment, it would be able to record that video, like say you are on holiday, in 40c heat and blazing sun, and you are recording 4K video, i'd rather have 10min than a broken video file as the phone has had to shut off or something to protect itself from heat... (although why we don't have a popup that tells us that the phone is overheating on screen, i don't know).. Video quality is determined by the encoder and the bitrate, the Mate 20 Pro uses a very low bitrate for 4K30, around 28Mb/s, this might be due to a poor encoder and not being able to handle a higher bitrate, or a choice by Huawei..
So to remedy, use HEVC in normal camera app to increase quality somewhat, or if you want to, use "openCamera" from the playstore, and switch on Camera2 API, you should be able to use 4K30, set your bitrate much higher, say to 50Mb/s (like other phones that record in 4K30) and use HEVC if you want, this should result in much higher 4K30 quality, however you will likely be limited to one camera, (hopefully the 40MP one but you never know with Camera2 API).
I actually very disappointed with the video quality on M20 Pro, it is a super phone with the beat feature but lack in video recording, 4K30fps is way too low, if you swtich to widw angle, it drop to less than 25fps resulting a jerking video.
Mi 9 tested by DxOMark records 4K video by default. It scores significantly higher for video texture and detail than other smartphones whose video quality is tested in 1080P . As a result, Mi 9 gets the highest score in the video part. Today the retail unit of Mi 9 receives software updates to change default video recording setting from 1080P to 4K.
deepsvm said:
Xiaomi cheats in the DxOMark video test for Mi 9. Dxomark only test the default setting of smartphone cameras. And the phone tested by DxOMark records 4K video by default. However, the phone sold to consumers records 1080P video by default. Because of this, it scores significantly higher for video texture and detail than other smartphones. As a result, Mi 9 gets the highest score in the video part. A vlogger in China went to Xiaomi store to check the default video recording setting for Mi 9. It showed clearly that the default setting is 1080p instead of 4k.
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https://www.androidpit.com/xiaomi-mi-9-review
Quote from article:- "In terms of video, (slow motion at 960fps available) the Mi 9 manages to surprise - the default recording in 4K produces great details even when shooting indoors."
I can only speak, based on what I have read, until I see evidence that states otherwise, I choose to believe Xiaomi & the reviewers, I understand I may be proven wrong...
Tgey still are people which trust DxO?
The camera seems to be still on par even with the S10 or the iPhone XR - for half the price, we shouldn't forget that.
Hi
Just like the rest of you guys, I could not get any data on the phone's DAC spec. sound quality etc.
So now that I have my own, I can report on the matter. Hopefully it will be of use to others.
Equipment:
- Huawei Mate 20 Pro 128GB on Three mobile UK
- Q-Jays ear buds new version ( https://www.jaysheadphones.com/q-jays )
- Ultimate Ears 700 ( https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/ultimate-ears-700-noise-isolating-earphones )
- Neutron music player ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp&hl=en_GB )
- LG G6+ ( https://techaeris.com/2018/02/10/lg-g6-prime-exclusive-review )
- Supplied Huawei USB-C to 3.5mm pass-through adapter
DAC capability
For those of you not familiar with Neutron music player, I have to say that it probably is the definitive Android Hi-Res music player.
It can detect and connect directly to a device DAC, by-passing the operating system. It is capable of playing DSD formats in DOP - and just about any bitrate and bit depth (16bit to 32bit).
Neutron reports that the DAC is a Hi-Res version!
Through experimentation I have concluded that it is capable of the following:
- 16bit - 24bit - 32bit resolutions.
- 44.1 KHz - 48KHz - not 88.2KHZ - 96KHz - not 176.4KHz - 192 KHz - 352 KHz sampling rates.
- It has no native DSD capability - if not resampled, the DAC resamples it to 48 KHz and plays it back.
technically enabling DSD in DOP inside Neutron, manages to play back a DSD track, but checking the output stream shows 48 KHz.
Disabling the Dolby Atmos, renders a better sound and a few dB's louder.
Sound Quality
First impressions were of a good volume, full sound.
The resolution of higher bitrate tracks shines through. DSD sounds very good .
I did not have any mp3's - so the findings are from lossless FLAC recordings or DSD tracks.
Perhaps the absolute highest frequencies were a little hard, but then again THIS is where many reviewers of my earphone agree it could be the earphones, .
Comparison to LG Quad-DAC capable LG G6+
The G6+ has the legendary Quad-DAC arrangement coupled to a high output amplifier, it is capable of sampling frequencies up to 192 KHz but no native DSD.
The sound of G6+ was a bit softer than Mate 20 Pro, volume was about the same, but the highest frequencies were not as hard, nor as loud! Huawei sounded a little fuller past 12 kHz. Bass was also a little fuller on Mate 20 Pro also.
Conclusion
I liked Mate 20 Pro a little better! you could hear a little more detail - was it the treble? I don't know!
But to hold it's own against the legendary LG's Quad-DAC and high output amplifier, is one hell of an achievement by itself - beating it is a WOW.
Incidentally I had tried a Samsung Note 9 also.
The Note 9 does have native DSD capability, but it does not sound any better than the LG - they sound very similar.
So there is no need for an external USB DAC as such, specially the cheapo ones built in a USB-C cable.
Huawei pass through adapter is enough , but for the most discerning Audiophiles, with deepest of pockets and bat-like ears!
Sobering Monday Morning thoughts
So I had the weekend to play a bit more with the device.
After listening to various tracks, it became obvious that the treble "issue" was troublesome!
it makes listening for more than 20 mins tiring on the ear. At first the extra treble gave the sound a sparkle, a false sense of detail but it wasn't to be.
So I dug out my trusted Fiio E18 Kunlun out of storage and tried to hook it up.
It does connect through the USB port, so no problems there.
Fiio shows where Mate 20 Pro fails! not until you listen to something better, would you know what was missing.
Fiio is a lot better, smoother and un-fatiguing.
Take "Paolo Nuttini's album Caustic Love" for example. On track " Diana" within the first few seconds, listening through Fiio, you can clearly hear start of a mix tape on the right, when a Valve Guitar amplifier is added, and although guitar player is yet to play anything, you still get to hear the distinctive Tube-amp signature noise and feedback. The slightest handling of the guitar body is also clearly heard through. This is something you can not focus on using the phones output. It is possible to listen for hours through Fiio and want some more.
Compared to Fiio , Mate 20 Pro's sound is distorted, specially at treble - I am not trying to praise Fiio here, I am just saying a good few year-old external DAC does a better job.
So perhaps a decent Hi-res external DAC is needed after all - I do hope Huawei would address this issue.
I reckon this is why Huawei has been so tight-lipped about it's phones audio capabilities after all !
Assuming we all gonna use bluetooth earphones is a bit short-sighted.
Mobile phones are trying to be all things to all men, One device to do it all with, from simple call making to organizing your digital life, social media to emails and photography - How could they miss music entertainment is beyond me.
So I take back some of the praises I had given before.
It is not as good as I hoped it would be.
After I bought the Mate 20 Pro I will never buy a Huawei phone again until they fix the crappy headphone audio quality. Why my Anker Soundcore Spirit sound on PC 10x better than on the Mate 20 Pro? And I am not talking about wired headphones. Forget it completely. You can't listen music on this device with wired headphones without getting ear pain. At least with the included USB-C-Adapter.
kentajalli said:
Hi
Just like the rest of you guys, I could not get any data on the phone's DAC spec. sound quality etc.
So now that I have my own, I can report on the matter. Hopefully it will be of use to others.
Equipment:
- Huawei Mate 20 Pro 128GB on Three mobile UK
- Q-Jays ear buds new version ( https://www.jaysheadphones.com/q-jays )
- Ultimate Ears 700 ( https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/ultimate-ears-700-noise-isolating-earphones )
- Neutron music player ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp&hl=en_GB )
- LG G6+ ( https://techaeris.com/2018/02/10/lg-g6-prime-exclusive-review )
- Supplied Huawei USB-C to 3.5mm pass-through adapter
DAC capability
For those of you not familiar with Neutron music player, I have to say that it probably is the definitive Android Hi-Res music player.
It can detect and connect directly to a device DAC, by-passing the operating system. It is capable of playing DSD formats in DOP - and just about any bitrate and bit depth (16bit to 32bit).
Neutron reports that the DAC is a Hi-Res version!
Through experimentation I have concluded that it is capable of the following:
- 16bit - 24bit - 32bit resolutions.
- 44.1 KHz - 48KHz - not 88.2KHZ - 96KHz - not 176.4KHz - 192 KHz - 352 KHz sampling rates.
- It has no native DSD capability - if not resampled, the DAC resamples it to 48 KHz and plays it back.
technically enabling DSD in DOP inside Neutron, manages to play back a DSD track, but checking the output stream shows 48 KHz.
Disabling the Dolby Atmos, renders a better sound and a few dB's louder.
Sound Quality
First impressions were of a good volume, full sound.
The resolution of higher bitrate tracks shines through. DSD sounds very good .
I did not have any mp3's - so the findings are from lossless FLAC recordings or DSD tracks.
Perhaps the absolute highest frequencies were a little hard, but then again THIS is where many reviewers of my earphone agree it could be the earphones, .
Comparison to LG Quad-DAC capable LG G6+
The G6+ has the legendary Quad-DAC arrangement coupled to a high output amplifier, it is capable of sampling frequencies up to 192 KHz but no native DSD.
The sound of G6+ was a bit softer than Mate 20 Pro, volume was about the same, but the highest frequencies were not as hard, nor as loud! Huawei sounded a little fuller past 12 kHz. Bass was also a little fuller on Mate 20 Pro also.
Conclusion
I liked Mate 20 Pro a little better! you could hear a little more detail - was it the treble? I don't know!
But to hold it's own against the legendary LG's Quad-DAC and high output amplifier, is one hell of an achievement by itself - beating it is a WOW.
Incidentally I had tried a Samsung Note 9 also.
The Note 9 does have native DSD capability, but it does not sound any better than the LG - they sound very similar.
So there is no need for an external USB DAC as such, specially the cheapo ones built in a USB-C cable.
Huawei pass through adapter is enough , but for the most discerning Audiophiles, with deepest of pockets and bat-like ears!
Sobering Monday Morning thoughts
So I had the weekend to play a bit more with the device.
After listening to various tracks, it became obvious that the treble "issue" was troublesome!
it makes listening for more than 20 mins tiring on the ear. At first the extra treble gave the sound a sparkle, a false sense of detail but it wasn't to be.
So I dug out my trusted Fiio E18 Kunlun out of storage and tried to hook it up.
It does connect through the USB port, so no problems there.
Fiio shows where Mate 20 Pro fails! not until you listen to something better, would you know what was missing.
Fiio is a lot better, smoother and un-fatiguing.
Take "Paolo Nuttini's album Caustic Love" for example. On track " Diana" within the first few seconds, listening through Fiio, you can clearly hear start of a mix tape on the right, when a Valve Guitar amplifier is added, and although guitar player is yet to play anything, you still get to hear the distinctive Tube-amp signature noise and feedback. The slightest handling of the guitar body is also clearly heard through. This is something you can not focus on using the phones output. It is possible to listen for hours through Fiio and want some more.
Compared to Fiio , Mate 20 Pro's sound is distorted, specially at treble - I am not trying to praise Fiio here, I am just saying a good few year-old external DAC does a better job.
So perhaps a decent Hi-res external DAC is needed after all - I do hope Huawei would address this issue.
I reckon this is why Huawei has been so tight-lipped about it's phones audio capabilities after all !
Assuming we all gonna use bluetooth earphones is a bit short-sighted.
Mobile phones are trying to be all things to all men, One device to do it all with, from simple call making to organizing your digital life, social media to emails and photography - How could they miss music entertainment is beyond me.
So I take back some of the praises I had given before.
It is not as good as I hoped it would be.
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So in summary it's ****e.? Note 9 exynos dac is better?
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I don't think Neutron connects directly to the device DAC. You said in your own post that disabling Dolby Atmos makes a difference to the sound, and it seems unlikely that it's the DAC that's doing the Atmos processing. Might be wrong though.