Well, installed the 6.3 update on my unrooted Shield , showing in the changelog that finally Tidal can stream music in hi-fi res. Nevertheless nothing has changed, in the Tidal app (Android Tv, obtained from the Play Store and registered with my payied account ) in the settings it shows Hi-fi quality, but I get Pcm 48kbps, 2 channel music signal. Nothing more.
At the contrary in my Marantz Avr, the same service active through the Heos App, gives me 320kbps AAC 2channels, at least.
What is the reason for this? Is there a setting I should adapt, to have the same quality as in my Avr on the Shield?
Thanks for your interest
Alessandro
Check this topic: forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1033748/shield-tv/tidal-hifi-native-app-vs-tidal-hifi-airplay-from-iphone/
I am using PLAY-Fi app on Samsung Galaxy 8 phone with TIDAL Hi-Fi to stream music to ANTHEM MRX 720. The sound is nearly flawless.
I tried NVDIA Shield connected using HDMI to ANTHEM MRX 720 with TIDAL on and HiFi streaming and sound was abosulutely terrible. There might be a bug in their software I have no other explaination for this.
Thanks, at least I am not alone! I will try uninstall /reinstall the Tidal app, but want to tell I have made an extensive post on GeForce forum, in the thread regarding the 6.3 update.
I have also asked what quality we do have to expect from Nvidia to Avr.
Tidal app has been released for Google Tv one month ago, so everything is new.
I have seen the article you mentioned, but it is not referred to this update.
Thanks for the heads up to the app on the phone you use, will try with other equipment in the house.
Hope we will sort this out, not a big problem, but as we have support and pay a subscription, I like to have gear working properly. Nvidia has big long term support for this hardware, so I am confident.
Regards
Alessandro
Red better the other thread you mentioned. Similar outcome. I also tried uninstalling and reinstalling the App, no changes. The different audible quality is high. The reply from Nvidia on Geforce is not sufficient.
Do you know if the Shield can pass AAC through its Hdmi output?
Regards
Alessandro
vn800art said:
Well, installed the 6.3 update on my unrooted Shield , showing in the changelog that finally Tidal can stream music in hi-fi res. Nevertheless nothing has changed, in the Tidal app (Android Tv, obtained from the Play Store and registered with my payied account ) in the settings it shows Hi-fi quality, but I get Pcm 48kbps, 2 channel music signal. Nothing more.
At the contrary in my Marantz Avr, the same service active through the Heos App, gives me 320kbps AAC 2channels, at least.
What is the reason for this? Is there a setting I should adapt, to have the same quality as in my Avr on the Shield?
Thanks for your interest
Alessandro
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I know this is an old post, so maybe you've figured this out already? But in case you haven't, the answer is that 48k PCM *is* HiFi.
CD quality is 44.1 k PCM, by comparison.
What's confusing you I think is that 48k PCM does not mean 48k bits/second, it means 48k samples per second, and 16 bit samples at that. Per channel. So the bit rate for CD, for example is 44,100 x 16 bit x 2 = 1,411,200 bps. or 1,411 kbps.
It would be ideal if the Shield output just that, but as I understand it, the Shield upscales to 48k instead of outputting at the native 44.1k So it's outputting at 1,536 kbps!
Compare to the lesser 320 kps AAC to which you refer!
Here I am! Thanks for your interest! Problem is to my ears AAC sounds significantly better than PCM. I asked also if someone could tell me how to avoid this conversion (if it is possible), which at this point looks to me the reason for my disappointment.
Regards
Alessandro
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Here I am! Thanks for your interest! Problem is to my ears AAC sounds significantly better than PCM. I asked also if someone could tell me how to avoid this conversion (if it is possible), which at this point looks to me the reason for my disappointment.
Regards
Alessandro
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Very strange. You see AAC is a lossy format like MP3, whereas PCM is lossless.
OK 320 kpbs AAC usually sounds pretty good, because that's a high bit rate for a lossy format, but it's lossy all the same. Whereas PCM is the format the source is almost certainly recorded in.
It's unfortunate that the Shield outputs everything at 48 kHz, but even so, the conversion of 44.1 k PCM to 48 k PCM should introduce far less distortion that conversion to 320 k AAC.
Listen, if I get Tidal out of my Marantz, it says it has AAC as input format, 2 channels. What I believe is that Tidal is transmitting AAC indeed, wereas Shield is transcoding this to PCM. This conversion worsen the audio somewhere, so bad that at my non Audiophile earing, it's fairly noticeable. And you must trust me, I often listen to 320kbps Mp3 internet radios, some are good, some are better (depends on encoders and audio processing). When I find some AAC Www radio even at 160kbps, they are significantly the best ones in the lot. Thre aren't not so many.
So, as I usually use Shield for everything streaming related, I would have liked to use it for Tidal also, but this as of today, is not the case.
Regards
Alessandro
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Listen, if I get Tidal out of my Marantz, it says it has AAC as input format, 2 channels. What I believe is that Tidal is transmitting AAC indeed, wereas Shield is transcoding this to PCM. This conversion worsen the audio somewhere, so bad that at my non Audiophile earing, it's fairly noticeable. And you must trust me, I often listen to 320kbps Mp3 internet radios, some are good, some are better (depends on encoders and audio processing). When I find some AAC Www radio even at 160kbps, they are significantly the best ones in the lot. Thre aren't not so many.
So, as I usually use Shield for everything streaming related, I would have liked to use it for Tidal also, but this as of today, is not the case.
Regards
Alessandro
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Sure, I am not questioning what you are hearing. I just said "very strange".
Android TV app
Hello everyone! Do you know which version of the app is it :
If you know or have the .apk file, I would be grateful !
I'm trying to find it for my android TV box because Play Store installs me the 2.11.3 version which is difficult to use on android tv with only a remote.
Thank you guys !
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or any other hrtf for that matter? I'd like to be able to use this as i watch films on my commute. Are there any media players that offer headphone virtualisation of any sort? Or is the only option to reencode to dolby headphone?
The Samsung Galaxy players I believe
Thanks for the reply. I checked the video player on my galaxy tab 7.7(P6800) and it doesn't seem to have any options relating to this. It also can not decode dts (most of my films have sound in this format) unless I am mistaken.
Dolby Headphone on Android - would be nice
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or any other hrtf for that matter? I'd like to be able to use this as i watch films on my commute. Are there any media players that offer headphone virtualisation of any sort? Or is the only option to reencode to dolby headphone?
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Yeah that would be an awesome treat. We've got all this processing power nowadays in these new tablets and it would be no problem to have that feature.
I'm a Dolby Headphone evangelist - I tell everyone how much I love that technology.
I've been using DH in my laptop's DVD playback software (like Cyberlink) for probably 7 years and just love it for 5.1 stuff. I have standalone Pioneer DH headphones for my X-Box and also a little JVC DH box (takes optical or stereo input). I always listen to my stereo music over that JVC box because it sounds so much better in that soundspace than regular stereo. Plain old stereo sounds like it comes from the center of your brain, whereas DH stereo sounds like you have speakers on the desk in front of you.
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Yeah that would be an awesome treat. We've got all this processing power nowadays in these new tablets and it would be no problem to have that feature.
I'm a Dolby Headphone evangelist - I tell everyone how much I love that technology.
I've been using DH in my laptop's DVD playback software (like Cyberlink) for probably 7 years and just love it for 5.1 stuff. I have standalone Pioneer DH headphones for my X-Box and also a little JVC DH box (takes optical or stereo input). I always listen to my stereo music over that JVC box because it sounds so much better in that soundspace than regular stereo. Plain old stereo sounds like it comes from the center of your brain, whereas DH stereo sounds like you have speakers on the desk in front of you.
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Exactly. I use the the cyberlink plugin for watching films while traveling on my laptop as well and it does a really decent job especially if you have a half decent DAC. I'm not a fan of it with music though. The technology is old and carries a very small overhead for modern devices. Given how many people watch videos on their phones\tablets using headphones while commuting I'm amazed that there isn't more of a push on this. None of the likes of bsplayer or dice player seem to have any form of hrtf. I'm guessing it comes down to licensing with dolby. Sadly we'll probably have to wait for apple to do it for it to become mainstream.
Flowswik it appears you were right, there is a hrtf function in the Samsung Galaxy player. There is a button next to the volume control which will pop up a menu where you can select 5.1. A 2 minute sample of breaking bad (only thing with dolby 5.1 on the tablet, samsung player doesn't stream well over lan) seems to show promise, decent surround effect but the dialog is a little muffled. First impressions are that dolby headphone does a better job but i'll report back once I've had a chance to watch some more content.
I keep trying different audio players, Poweramp gives me the best sound. Am I nuts?
A quick question for the Poweramp people, is there anyway to stream a url in poweramp like http://pub3.di.fm:80/di_lounge?
Thanks!
No matter how many I try I always go back to Poweramp
Neutron is a solid competitor to Poweramp. Some say it is much better. Personally I think they are both equally good but with a different sound. I prefer Poweramp for the road but I prefer Neutron alone in my room.
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Neutron is a solid competitor to Poweramp. Some say it is much better. Personally I think they are both equally good but with a different sound. I prefer Poweramp for the road but I prefer Neutron alone in my room.
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I thought it was just me, but apparently I'm not the only one that can hear the difference. I guess they all do sound the same until you hear poweramp.
I wish I had that EQ across all apps.
I bought both PowerAmp (first) and Neutron (after) so I always have the latest version. Neutron is a huge step forward audio-quality wise IF you activate 64 bit rendering and IF you have decent headphones ( I use Sennheiser's ie8i). Also: both of these are supposed to be used for lossless (FLAC, APE and such) audio playback. If you have only mp3 don't bother, Meridian will do just fine.
P.S> Neutron loses the battle against Power Amp because of the non-intuitive interface.
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I bought both PowerAmp (first) and Neutron (after) so I always have the latest version. Neutron is a huge step forward audio-quality wise IF you activate 64 bit rendering and IF you have decent headphones ( I use Sennheiser's ie8i). Also: both of these are supposed to be used for lossless (FLAC, APE and such) audio playback. If you have only mp3 don't bother, Meridian will do just fine.
P.S> Neutron loses the battle against Power Amp because of the non-intuitive interface.
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I also have Sennheiser's ie80. I mostly use mp3 (320 kb) because of the size. 3000 song Flac format would be to big. This is why I use neutron at home.
Btw: Flac or mp3 makes no difference if the recording is not very high quality. At 320kb you won't hear a difference in most rock or popular music.
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I keep trying different audio players, Poweramp gives me the best sound. Am I nuts?
A quick question for the Poweramp people, is there anyway to stream a url in poweramp like http://pub3.di.fm:80/di_lounge?
Thanks!
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for me poweramp are Lord of android audio..when i'm on gingerbread i combine with dsp manager.But when i'm use S3 dsp manage not support for ICS n JB.So i'm use siyah kernel audio eq for get more more power for my poweramp.
The first time I heard Power amp, I couldn't believe the difference and what was coming out of my little phone. That just happened because I read about the Wolfsen Dac.
I don't have anything high end at all and could tell the difference in power amp and Winamp. I have some m-audio monitors as my desktop speakers and PA really woke those up, I have crappy Bose in my car and had more mid bass than I have ever heard in my car. Even the cheap Samsung ear buds ran chills down my spine.
I sent Power amp an email the other day and Alex sent me a link about future upgrades.
http://forum.powerampapp.com/index.php?/topic/1794-poweramp-todo-listfeatures-in-progress/
I need a good answer for my streaming radio. What can I do to get better quality across ALL my apps?
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I also have Sennheiser's ie80. I mostly use mp3 (320 kb) because of the size. 3000 song Flac format would be to big. This is why I use neutron at home.
Btw: Flac or mp3 makes no difference if the recording is not very high quality. At 320kb you won't hear a difference in most rock or popular music.
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Hi Kremata,
I dont agree, FLAC its not so big considering how cheap storage is nowadays. But you are right about one thing, if the genuine audio was over compressed, there is hardly any difference between 320 mp3s and FLACs. On the other hand, those who buy audiophile grade headphones or players are prone to be educated listeners and have superior taste in music. I don't want to offend anyone...:angel:
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Hi Kremata,
I dont agree, FLAC its not so big considering how cheap storage is nowadays. But you are right about one thing, if the genuine audio was over compressed, there is hardly any difference between 320 mp3s and FLACs. On the other hand, those who buy audiophile grade headphones or players are prone to be educated listeners and have superior taste in music. I don't want to offend anyone...:angel:
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Yes storage is cheap, but just an example 1 album Flac =1G(aprox) compare to 120Mb Mp3(320Kb). I have a library of 500 albums so my 64G Sdcard is way over it's head. I use some FLAC (for selected songs) but I really like classic rock so most of my music doesn't need FLAC.
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Yes storage is cheap, but just an example 1 album Flac =1G(aprox) compare to 120Mb Mp3(320Kb). I have a library of 500 albums so my 64G Sdcard is way over it's head. I use some FLAC (for selected songs) but I really like classic rock so most of my music doesn't need FLAC.
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I agree with both sides of the debate..
320 is fine on the phone with let's admit it weak dac compared to pc grade quality..
Just load up a Trance track in both flac and 320. I've done it loads of times.. Flac always wins.. On phone and pc.
If I'm looking to store my flacs on my phone I just convert it to 320.. I use player pro with dsp pack on headphone eq with Siyah and a little fiio e6 if needed with some ath m50's
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Strange, most of my FLAC albums have half the ”weight” you say. But, anyway, I dont see the reason to have all my musiv on my microsd, I dont even have the 64Gb type but a 32Gb class 10 Samsung. I keep my music mainly on my laptop and a 2Tb mediaplayer then I refresh the every day playlist on my phone as and when I need it. Much bigger inconvenience for me is the strange incompatibility Samsung has with headphones made for iphone, oppose to HTC phones. Yes, everyone knows the the volume buttons wont work, but Samsung will go further and have erratic problems with my Sennheisers (the second pair and type I have by now) and cant properly answer a phone call, sometimes routes music trough the phone speaker even if headphones are plugged in and so on. Really frustrating, but this is not the topic for that.
Alright so far this device have been undoubtedly the most perfect for it's price, however it's still has some parts that need upgrading, and one of those sections is the audio recording (and camera, although they made huge advancing from the axon pro and the camera is pretty awesome, but if they started with the right sensor, the axon would be the best cameraphone)
I convinced myself that manufacturers don't even care about audio recording DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY ADVERTISE THEIR DEVICES AS HIFI DEVICES
I mean only the v20 is doing great on that section, 24 bit 192khz FLAC omni-dimensional audio recording with audio recorder app that has features like audio focus and 24bit 96khz lpcm for videos but at the cost of 700-800 dollars for a new one, it is far from what people like me consider for a smartphone.
As for the rest, it's a disaster, lg v10?? it records 44kbps (YES because that's what hifi sounds like, perfect sampling rate! bravo! ironically it records better with video with a samplingrate of 156kbps max and has audio focus) I don't know about other hifi devices, my axon 7 records 352kbps pcm when you set it to WAV (which is the only available setting there, lol), that's.... just ok, still way behind the v20.
Let's get to the spicypart, video recording, your device can record 352kbps pcm but you choose to put a cheapo codec that doesn't support that, instead it is 96kbps, even worse, when you try cinemafv5 you'll find that it can record 156kbps with AAC-LC, that's fine, but the output would be MONO!!!
Wth was zte thinking when they did this?? seriously? why you give me 156kbps...but make it mono, why??
Please note that I'm not saying axon 7 recording is bad (although some people here who tested htc 10 would say due to bass clipping issues, whatever) but it could've been miles better!
for that price I am still convinced that recording is good, but if ZTE happen to make another Axon, they better take care of that.
NOW let's move on to my most important critic from this post:
there are 2 cases to this situation
Case1:
ALL OF WHAT HAVE BEEN SAID WAS A STORY, AND ZTE ADVERTISING WAS ANOTHER WHOLE STORY! ZTE FALSE-ADVERTISED THE AXON 7!!
As you can see from the picture below Zte advertised their device can record "32 bit depth with 96khz sampling frequency" which is not the 44.1khz sampling frequency and the 16 bit 352kbps sample rate, Just compare it to the upper statements of vidoe and audio, I'd definitely call that false advertising , if there is one thing I hate it is false advertising and it's unforgivable, even for a great quality product like the Axon 7 I am rolling my eyes at what Zte have done, first was the battery capacity (although battery life is great) then this!? Audio?? it's the reason I bought it in the first place, do they realize that they can get sued for false advertising?
Case2:
MAYBE the Axon 7 can actually record like that but lacks the codes to do it, like how it turned out that aptx-hd can be ported in this forum, so can we get a genius dev who can figure it out (for both video and standalone recorder) with a codec or something??! any volunteers?
Let's hope we get a response from ZTE officials to clarify if Axon 7 meets what they advertised or not.
I guess you don't want to hear that the sound output is truncated to 16 bit no matter what you play. I have no idea if that's just the music app which does that (the only app which I know definitely uses the Hi-Fi DAC despite other claims here), or if it's somewhere in the firmware. I contacted PocketNow (since they pointed it out) through several mediums to ask and I never got a response. Real professional.
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I guess you don't want to hear that the sound output is truncated to 16 bit no matter what you play. I have no idea if that's just the music app which does that (the only app which I know definitely uses the Hi-Fi DAC despite other claims here), or if it's somewhere in the firmware. I contacted PocketNow (since they pointed it out) through several mediums to ask and I never got a response. Real professional.
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Absolutely not, I disagree, there is something called the quantization noise and it would be present for higher bit depth as it is for lower bit depth, secondly, no, it uses the dac on most music players (hence switching between standard and super audio quality gives the same factor on most music players like poweramp, and super audio quality option gives equal output on poweramp to my trained ears, otherwise the difference would be obvious)
Over the past months I've seen a lot of clueless people who claim "my hifi device only uses the dac on the stock music player and snapdragon dac for others" all over xda, and same for the axon 7 we see these people on ztecommunity, just because the v10 did with lollipop the past year, on the v10 people could figure that out due to them instantly observing the difference, but if there is no difference, why you have to create one? maybe because people disliked the device (which is subjective).
EDIT: Ok you're partially right, I figured that ages ago when I used neutron, what they meant is the speaker output, for some reason it is limited to 16 bit 44.1Khz, FOR SOME REASON, yes thanks I wanted to point that out, it is kinda forgivable due to small speakers, we are talking about a smartphone speaker lol
.but with headphones the dac works perfectly
I'm not sure if you misread what I wrote or if I don't understand what you're saying. The first part has nothing to disagree with. It has been tested and for a fact sound output is truncated to 16 bit.
PowerAmp 100% does NOT use the AKM DAC. Selecting 24 bit output on that uses the SD 820's DAC, which contrary to what some people here believe, is not magically missing from the SoC. It's there. Not to mention it sounds distinctly different (worse) than the AKM DAC. You can go to the PowerAmp forum and ask the creator himself and he'll tell you it doesn't make use of the AKM DAC. Or you know, you could use your ears. It clearly sounds different, if you can't tell then you're using poor headphones or have some level of hearing impairment (which is natural with age).
Overall I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say, you need to fix your post, I'm assuming English is not your first language.
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I'm not sure if you misread what I wrote or if I don't understand what you're saying. The first part has nothing to disagree with. It has been tested and for a fact sound output is truncated to 16 bit.
PowerAmp 100% does NOT use the AKM DAC. Selecting 24 bit output on that uses the SD 820's DAC, which contrary to what some people here believe, is not magically missing from the SoC. It's there. Not to mention it sounds distinctly different (worse) than the AKM DAC. You can go to the PowerAmp forum and ask the creator himself and he'll tell you it doesn't make use of the AKM DAC. Or you know, you could use your ears. It clearly sounds different, if you can't tell then you're using poor headphones or have some level of hearing impairment (which is natural with age).
Overall I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say, you need to fix your post, I'm assuming English is not your first language.
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No offense but I'd like to point out that you're so misinformed about : Axon 7 and audio in general.
I just watched the whole video of Pocketnow, there was no method to confirm that it was truncated, he only showed the frequency spectrum, please read on bit depth here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_bit_depth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(signal_processing)
the human ears can hear up to 22hz, thus manufacturers cap their headphones lower than 22khz to limit the rest which is noise most of the time, it's called ultrasonic filtering. bit depth has nothing to do with the frequency spectrum, instead it's about data, number of values to be exact, referred as resolution sometimes. infact sampling frequency does effect the frequency response but that's not even what sampling frequency is all about, for example the device can have an ultrasonic filter while still having high resolution audio setup. modern headphones still do it actually. long story short: sampling frequency and bit depth have 0 things to do with the bandwidth/frequency range.
"Poweramp does not" I am not sure what poweramp does, what you're referring too was an issue of 701 alpha, if you download this version on a dac-fixed lg v10 (lg v10 lollipop with dac fix app or simply lg v10 running mm) it would show the same thing, that it uses "Variant: 24 bit snapdragon" my friend tested that out himself.
the newer alphas have options for the output showing the sampling frequency only. I don't use poweramp tbh and I don't know why people pick poweramp over Neutron which has freescale EQ.
As for high res support for poweramp, this might be true, I guess.
As a guy who performed abx, yes, the super quality switch still works, meaning the dac is working.
"Overall I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say, you need to fix your post, I'm assuming English is not your first language"
even though I didn't make such crude mistakes as you mentioned, this was very irrelevant considering that you tried to dismantle each point I mentioned, I was just helping. I'd say that was a bit rude.
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No offense but I'd like to point out that you're so misinformed about : Axon 7 and audio in general.
I just watched the whole video of Pocketnow, there was no method to confirm that it was truncated, he only showed the frequency spectrum, please read on bit depth here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_bit_depth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(signal_processing)
the human ears can hear up to 22hz, thus manufacturers cap their headphones lower than 22khz to limit the rest which is noise most of the time
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They quite literally said in that video that it's truncated to 16 bits, their exact words, whether or not they're wrong, and they're not clowns to have the sound output limited by headphones. I seriously doubt they recorded the sound coming out of headphones for the test. Even if they did, most headphones go well past human hearing. And for the record almost no one, except for very few extremely young children, can hear up to 22KHz. Most people by their 20s can't hear past 17-18KHz, less if they've been to concerts which are dangerously loud or worked in loud environments. I've been careful with my hearing and I hear almost nothing past 18KHz.
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As a guy who performed abx, yes, the super quality switch still works, meaning the dac is working.
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I don't know what you mean by this. ABX? But PowerAmp, even in the latest alpha, is most definitely not using the AKM DAC. It sounds very different. Are you sure this Neutron player is using the DAC?
Sorry to break in, but I'm pretty sure that the latest beta of Poweramp actually used the DAC on marshmallow. I own an A2017G and I think I could get 192KHz on B05.
Now I'm on 7.0 and i can't get past 48 kHz. Where does it say which DAC is in use? (the Variant: Snapdragon thing)
EDIT: ignore everything said before, after long investigation and flashing, the stock firmware plays HIFI correctly, Using audio_flinger to check, the resolution was correct, however with a custom ROM it gets harder.
As for Pocketnow spectrum analysis, it makes no sense at all since audio_flinger doesn't lie, and all audio players are pointing that our device can play 192khz without downsampling with the Dac patch.
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Sorry to break in, but I'm pretty sure that the latest beta of Poweramp actually used the DAC on marshmallow. I own an A2017G and I think I could get 192KHz on B05.
Now I'm on 7.0 and i can't get past 48 kHz. Where does it say which DAC is in use? (the Variant: Snapdragon thing)
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It wasn't our device, max simply didn't make poweramp support our audio libs.
As for neutron, it's working fine
Same for usb audio player pro
And bothnare imo way better than poweramp.
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It wasn't our device, max simply didn't make poweramp support our audio libs.
As for neutron, it's working fine
Same for usb audio player pro
And bothnare imo way better than poweramp.
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huge bump lol. Well since the new beta it works with 192KHz and all. (i have to add, proven with media.audio_flinger). And honestly I believe Poweramp's sound engine is way superior to Neutron's, but you know, that's just opinion
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huge bump lol. Well since the new beta it works with 192KHz and all. (i have to add, proven with media.audio_flinger). And honestly I believe Poweramp's sound engine is way superior to Neutron's, but you know, that's just opinion
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Maybe, you need to consider neutron despite it's ugly ui, that thing has freescale eq, low latency settings and amazing dither, with dither neutron sounded better than poweramp and usb audio pro imo.
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Maybe, you need to consider neutron despite it's ugly ui, that thing has freescale eq, low latency settings and amazing dither, with dither neutron sounded better than poweramp and usb audio pro imo.
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Hello everyone, so I got the V30 in israel with LG earbuds and not the B&O ones, am loving the sound with the Quad Dac but am looking for better sound quality
am more into earbuds than headphones, my question is which are some good quality earbuds to enjoy the V30, my budget is around 100$
Thanks
Lots of discussion here:
Share the current headphones you are using and a link to where you purchased them.
The three that keep being mentioned as great are:
Soundmagic E80
SoundMAGIC E80S (S = microphone)
They both have 64 ohms to trigger High Impedance Mode (need 50 ohms or more).
As well as...
1MORE Triple Driver
1MORE Triple Driver doesn't trigger HIM but still sounds very good.
KZ (Knowledge Zenith) AS10 (?) is supposed to be quite decent for its price (5 balanced armatures per side, BA/balanced armatures only headphones) ordered these but haven't gotten them yet
The Xiaomi Hybrid Pro HD are unfortunately NOT recommendable (excellent headphones, clarity, 2 BA and 1 dynamic driver per side) but they have extreme "random" digital wheezing/noise on the left channel for whatever reason - it's "fixed" in default mode in my kernel but SABRE ("quad") DAC mode is still showing that behavior: https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/help/headphone-static-xiaomi-hybrid-pro-hd-t3876390
so beware !
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tinaudio-t2.22715/reviews
TinAudio T2
and
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tin-audio-t2-pro.23324/reviews
TinAudio T2 Pro
are "neutral" calibrated/sounding IEMs and seem to be highly recommended ones among audiophiles
1more Triple or Dual headphones are also recommended quality/output wise
IEMs = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-ear_monitor
got Sony XHB-H3 plugs / at home i use my old battered F1 (12 Ohm only..)
Tip: use a short 4pin-extension cable .. stuck in first (__without__ headphone) to trigger high/infinite-impedance mode . . it stays that way then when you plug in the phone into the cable. of course u have to be carefull with volumen then ..
works the same as in V10 ...but the frontend does not tell you anymore what impedance (low/high/infinte) it detects
I have 1More Quad Drivers, LG branded Beoplay H3, ZeroAudio Carbo Tenore, B&O labeled generic LG earbuds, Sennheiser Momentum in-ears: I must say none of them are a good match wtih my V30 Plus.
I am running the QuadDAC active at all times and have purchased and installed the "Hi-Fi Status (LG) " application and it reports all of these earphones working in normal Hi-Fi mode. When I use the "insert an 3.5 adapter or extender cable" hack, Hi-Fi Status app reports the earphones working in Aux - External Audio Device Mode; not in High Impedence Device mode. The sound quality in Aux mode is definitely worser than High impendence mode when used with in-ear earphones. So, you should not rely on any adapter hack and aim to purchase an ear-phone with 50+ Ohm impedence.
The fact that even 1More Quad Drivers is not a good match is really surprising and annoying - that earphone sound amazingly clear and enjoyable on almost all smartphones.
If you can spend a bit more, people are going crazy for BGVP DM6 which is around 200 USD on Massdrop etc; it has a much lower impedence, but apparently sound amazing with all kinds of sources.
I know you want an in-ear earphone, but when you decide to go the on-ear headphones; I can recommend "Beyerdymanic DT770 Pro 80 Ohm" - my god, it makes me want to dance no matter what I listen to; I enjoy its sound so much. DT770 Pro has the following versions as far as I know : 16 Ohm/32 Ohm/80 Ohm/250 Ohm - 80 Ohm is the one that triggers High Impendence Mode and you get loud sound around 40/75 loudness; from 50/75 you get enjoyable sound on busses etc. A great headphone match for V30 Plus.
eyupo92 said:
I have 1More Quad Drivers, LG branded Beoplay H3, ZeroAudio Carbo Tenore, B&O labeled generic LG earbuds, Sennheiser Momentum in-ears: I must say none of them are a good match wtih my V30 Plus.
The fact that even 1More Quad Drivers is not a good match is really surprising and annoying - that earphone sound amazingly clear and enjoyable on almost all smartphones..
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I'll copy and paste, because you didn't read. None of these three below are over $100 U.S, and two of them are only $50 U.S.
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Lots of discussion here:
Share the current headphones you are using and a link to where you purchased them.
The three that keep being mentioned as great are:
Soundmagic E80
SoundMAGIC E80S (S = microphone)
They both have 64 ohms to trigger High Impedance Mode (need 50 ohms or more).
As well as...
1MORE Triple Driver
1MORE Triple Driver doesn't trigger HIM but still sounds very good.
Have a look at Etymotic Research hf3. Highly recommended if you like analytical sound.
eyupo92 said:
I have 1More Quad Drivers, LG branded Beoplay H3, ZeroAudio Carbo Tenore, B&O labeled generic LG earbuds, Sennheiser Momentum in-ears: I must say none of them are a good match wtih my V30 Plus.
I am running the QuadDAC active at all times and have purchased and installed the "Hi-Fi Status (LG) " application and it reports all of these earphones working in normal Hi-Fi mode. When I use the "insert an 3.5 adapter or extender cable" hack, Hi-Fi Status app reports the earphones working in Aux - External Audio Device Mode; not in High Impedence Device mode. The sound quality in Aux mode is definitely worser than High impendence mode when used with in-ear earphones. So, you should not rely on any adapter hack and aim to purchase an ear-phone with 50+ Ohm impedence.
The fact that even 1More Quad Drivers is not a good match is really surprising and annoying - that earphone sound amazingly clear and enjoyable on almost all smartphones.
If you can spend a bit more, people are going crazy for BGVP DM6 which is around 200 USD on Massdrop etc; it has a much lower impedence, but apparently sound amazing with all kinds of sources.
I know you want an in-ear earphone, but when you decide to go the on-ear headphones; I can recommend "Beyerdymanic DT770 Pro 80 Ohm" - my god, it makes me want to dance no matter what I listen to; I enjoy its sound so much. DT770 Pro has the following versions as far as I know : 16 Ohm/32 Ohm/80 Ohm/250 Ohm - 80 Ohm is the one that triggers High Impendence Mode and you get loud sound around 40/75 loudness; from 50/75 you get enjoyable sound on busses etc. A great headphone match for V30 Plus.
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Does the Beyerdymanic DT770 Pro 80 Ohm support Hi-RES audio which is 44KHZ?
P.K.Shivaram said:
Does the Beyerdymanic DT770 Pro 80 Ohm support Hi-RES audio which is 44KHZ?
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No idea on that; from what I have seen, it should be able to do that. I don't think the 44KHz stuff is related to headphones, it shoudl be related to the DAC chips capability; the headphones get some electrical signals; that's it.
I have listened to tracks ranging from 128K mp3 to 320K mp3, 256K AAC, 16/44 FLAC, 24/96 FLAC and 24/192 FLAC using LG music app, Poweramp; USB Audio Player Pro; then listened to Tidal FLAC tracks both 16/44 FLAC's to 24/192 MQA formats.
And I wanted to dance in all of these formats; for example I could barely hold myself on tracks like Bob Dylan's Things Have Changed and Bruce Springsteen's Cover Me or Dancing In the Dark to start shaking. It really made the music sound joyful.
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eyupo92 said:
No idea on that; from what I have seen, it should be able to do that. I don't think the 44KHz stuff is related to headphones, it shoudl be related to the DAC chips capability; the headphones get some electrical signals; that's it.
I have listened to tracks ranging from 128K mp3 to 320K mp3, 256K AAC, 16/44 FLAC, 24/96 FLAC and 24/192 FLAC using LG music app, Poweramp; USB Audio Player Pro; then listened to Tidal FLAC tracks both 16/44 FLAC's to 24/192 MQA formats.
And I wanted to dance in all of these formats; for example I could barely hold myself on tracks like Bob Dylan's Things Have Changed and Bruce Springsteen's Cover Me or Dancing In the Dark to start shaking. It really made the music sound joyful.
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Hi-Res Certification from Japan Audio Society requires the headphones to output at least 40,000 Hz to be Hi-Res certified: http://www.jas-audio.or.jp/english/hi-res-logo-en
DT770 Pro Frequencey Response range is 5 Hz - 35,000 Hz; so in that sense DT770 Pro is not Hi-Res certified : https://europe.beyerdynamic.com/dt-770-pro.html
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eyupo92 said:
No idea on that; from what I have seen, it should be able to do that. I don't think the 44KHz stuff is related to headphones, it shoudl be related to the DAC chips capability; the headphones get some electrical signals; that's it.
I have listened to tracks ranging from 128K mp3 to 320K mp3, 256K AAC, 16/44 FLAC, 24/96 FLAC and 24/192 FLAC using LG music app, Poweramp; USB Audio Player Pro; then listened to Tidal FLAC tracks both 16/44 FLAC's to 24/192 MQA formats.
And I wanted to dance in all of these formats; for example I could barely hold myself on tracks like Bob Dylan's Things Have Changed and Bruce Springsteen's Cover Me or Dancing In the Dark to start shaking. It really made the music sound joyful.
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Hi-Res Certification from Japan Audio Society requires the headphones to output at least 40,000 Hz to be Hi-Res certified: http://www.jas-audio.or.jp/english/hi-res-logo-en
DT770 Pro Frequencey Response range is 5 Hz - 35,000 Hz; so in that sense DT770 Pro is not Hi-Res certified : https://europe.beyerdynamic.com/dt-770-pro.html
eyupo92 said:
The sound quality in Aux mode is definitely worser than High impendence mode when used with in-ear earphones. So, you should not rely on any adapter hack and aim to purchase an ear-phone with 50+ Ohm impedence.
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that might be . but the sound-quality in Aux-Mode (600 Ohm+) is definitely BETTER than in no-headamp-mode (below 50 OHms whatever)
i listen with my XBAs on the V10 this way (with extension. in aux-mode) for the last 2 years ..
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Hi
Just like the rest of you guys, I could not get any data on the phone's DAC spec. sound quality etc.
So now that I have my own, I can report on the matter. Hopefully it will be of use to others.
Equipment:
- Huawei Mate 20 Pro 128GB on Three mobile UK
- Q-Jays ear buds new version ( https://www.jaysheadphones.com/q-jays )
- Ultimate Ears 700 ( https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/ultimate-ears-700-noise-isolating-earphones )
- Neutron music player ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp&hl=en_GB )
- LG G6+ ( https://techaeris.com/2018/02/10/lg-g6-prime-exclusive-review )
- Supplied Huawei USB-C to 3.5mm pass-through adapter
DAC capability
For those of you not familiar with Neutron music player, I have to say that it probably is the definitive Android Hi-Res music player.
It can detect and connect directly to a device DAC, by-passing the operating system. It is capable of playing DSD formats in DOP - and just about any bitrate and bit depth (16bit to 32bit).
Neutron reports that the DAC is a Hi-Res version!
Through experimentation I have concluded that it is capable of the following:
- 16bit - 24bit - 32bit resolutions.
- 44.1 KHz - 48KHz - not 88.2KHZ - 96KHz - not 176.4KHz - 192 KHz - 352 KHz sampling rates.
- It has no native DSD capability - if not resampled, the DAC resamples it to 48 KHz and plays it back.
technically enabling DSD in DOP inside Neutron, manages to play back a DSD track, but checking the output stream shows 48 KHz.
Disabling the Dolby Atmos, renders a better sound and a few dB's louder.
Sound Quality
First impressions were of a good volume, full sound.
The resolution of higher bitrate tracks shines through. DSD sounds very good .
I did not have any mp3's - so the findings are from lossless FLAC recordings or DSD tracks.
Perhaps the absolute highest frequencies were a little hard, but then again THIS is where many reviewers of my earphone agree it could be the earphones, .
Comparison to LG Quad-DAC capable LG G6+
The G6+ has the legendary Quad-DAC arrangement coupled to a high output amplifier, it is capable of sampling frequencies up to 192 KHz but no native DSD.
The sound of G6+ was a bit softer than Mate 20 Pro, volume was about the same, but the highest frequencies were not as hard, nor as loud! Huawei sounded a little fuller past 12 kHz. Bass was also a little fuller on Mate 20 Pro also.
Conclusion
I liked Mate 20 Pro a little better! you could hear a little more detail - was it the treble? I don't know!
But to hold it's own against the legendary LG's Quad-DAC and high output amplifier, is one hell of an achievement by itself - beating it is a WOW.
Incidentally I had tried a Samsung Note 9 also.
The Note 9 does have native DSD capability, but it does not sound any better than the LG - they sound very similar.
So there is no need for an external USB DAC as such, specially the cheapo ones built in a USB-C cable.
Huawei pass through adapter is enough , but for the most discerning Audiophiles, with deepest of pockets and bat-like ears!
Sobering Monday Morning thoughts
So I had the weekend to play a bit more with the device.
After listening to various tracks, it became obvious that the treble "issue" was troublesome!
it makes listening for more than 20 mins tiring on the ear. At first the extra treble gave the sound a sparkle, a false sense of detail but it wasn't to be.
So I dug out my trusted Fiio E18 Kunlun out of storage and tried to hook it up.
It does connect through the USB port, so no problems there.
Fiio shows where Mate 20 Pro fails! not until you listen to something better, would you know what was missing.
Fiio is a lot better, smoother and un-fatiguing.
Take "Paolo Nuttini's album Caustic Love" for example. On track " Diana" within the first few seconds, listening through Fiio, you can clearly hear start of a mix tape on the right, when a Valve Guitar amplifier is added, and although guitar player is yet to play anything, you still get to hear the distinctive Tube-amp signature noise and feedback. The slightest handling of the guitar body is also clearly heard through. This is something you can not focus on using the phones output. It is possible to listen for hours through Fiio and want some more.
Compared to Fiio , Mate 20 Pro's sound is distorted, specially at treble - I am not trying to praise Fiio here, I am just saying a good few year-old external DAC does a better job.
So perhaps a decent Hi-res external DAC is needed after all - I do hope Huawei would address this issue.
I reckon this is why Huawei has been so tight-lipped about it's phones audio capabilities after all !
Assuming we all gonna use bluetooth earphones is a bit short-sighted.
Mobile phones are trying to be all things to all men, One device to do it all with, from simple call making to organizing your digital life, social media to emails and photography - How could they miss music entertainment is beyond me.
So I take back some of the praises I had given before.
It is not as good as I hoped it would be.
After I bought the Mate 20 Pro I will never buy a Huawei phone again until they fix the crappy headphone audio quality. Why my Anker Soundcore Spirit sound on PC 10x better than on the Mate 20 Pro? And I am not talking about wired headphones. Forget it completely. You can't listen music on this device with wired headphones without getting ear pain. At least with the included USB-C-Adapter.
kentajalli said:
Hi
Just like the rest of you guys, I could not get any data on the phone's DAC spec. sound quality etc.
So now that I have my own, I can report on the matter. Hopefully it will be of use to others.
Equipment:
- Huawei Mate 20 Pro 128GB on Three mobile UK
- Q-Jays ear buds new version ( https://www.jaysheadphones.com/q-jays )
- Ultimate Ears 700 ( https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/ultimate-ears-700-noise-isolating-earphones )
- Neutron music player ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp&hl=en_GB )
- LG G6+ ( https://techaeris.com/2018/02/10/lg-g6-prime-exclusive-review )
- Supplied Huawei USB-C to 3.5mm pass-through adapter
DAC capability
For those of you not familiar with Neutron music player, I have to say that it probably is the definitive Android Hi-Res music player.
It can detect and connect directly to a device DAC, by-passing the operating system. It is capable of playing DSD formats in DOP - and just about any bitrate and bit depth (16bit to 32bit).
Neutron reports that the DAC is a Hi-Res version!
Through experimentation I have concluded that it is capable of the following:
- 16bit - 24bit - 32bit resolutions.
- 44.1 KHz - 48KHz - not 88.2KHZ - 96KHz - not 176.4KHz - 192 KHz - 352 KHz sampling rates.
- It has no native DSD capability - if not resampled, the DAC resamples it to 48 KHz and plays it back.
technically enabling DSD in DOP inside Neutron, manages to play back a DSD track, but checking the output stream shows 48 KHz.
Disabling the Dolby Atmos, renders a better sound and a few dB's louder.
Sound Quality
First impressions were of a good volume, full sound.
The resolution of higher bitrate tracks shines through. DSD sounds very good .
I did not have any mp3's - so the findings are from lossless FLAC recordings or DSD tracks.
Perhaps the absolute highest frequencies were a little hard, but then again THIS is where many reviewers of my earphone agree it could be the earphones, .
Comparison to LG Quad-DAC capable LG G6+
The G6+ has the legendary Quad-DAC arrangement coupled to a high output amplifier, it is capable of sampling frequencies up to 192 KHz but no native DSD.
The sound of G6+ was a bit softer than Mate 20 Pro, volume was about the same, but the highest frequencies were not as hard, nor as loud! Huawei sounded a little fuller past 12 kHz. Bass was also a little fuller on Mate 20 Pro also.
Conclusion
I liked Mate 20 Pro a little better! you could hear a little more detail - was it the treble? I don't know!
But to hold it's own against the legendary LG's Quad-DAC and high output amplifier, is one hell of an achievement by itself - beating it is a WOW.
Incidentally I had tried a Samsung Note 9 also.
The Note 9 does have native DSD capability, but it does not sound any better than the LG - they sound very similar.
So there is no need for an external USB DAC as such, specially the cheapo ones built in a USB-C cable.
Huawei pass through adapter is enough , but for the most discerning Audiophiles, with deepest of pockets and bat-like ears!
Sobering Monday Morning thoughts
So I had the weekend to play a bit more with the device.
After listening to various tracks, it became obvious that the treble "issue" was troublesome!
it makes listening for more than 20 mins tiring on the ear. At first the extra treble gave the sound a sparkle, a false sense of detail but it wasn't to be.
So I dug out my trusted Fiio E18 Kunlun out of storage and tried to hook it up.
It does connect through the USB port, so no problems there.
Fiio shows where Mate 20 Pro fails! not until you listen to something better, would you know what was missing.
Fiio is a lot better, smoother and un-fatiguing.
Take "Paolo Nuttini's album Caustic Love" for example. On track " Diana" within the first few seconds, listening through Fiio, you can clearly hear start of a mix tape on the right, when a Valve Guitar amplifier is added, and although guitar player is yet to play anything, you still get to hear the distinctive Tube-amp signature noise and feedback. The slightest handling of the guitar body is also clearly heard through. This is something you can not focus on using the phones output. It is possible to listen for hours through Fiio and want some more.
Compared to Fiio , Mate 20 Pro's sound is distorted, specially at treble - I am not trying to praise Fiio here, I am just saying a good few year-old external DAC does a better job.
So perhaps a decent Hi-res external DAC is needed after all - I do hope Huawei would address this issue.
I reckon this is why Huawei has been so tight-lipped about it's phones audio capabilities after all !
Assuming we all gonna use bluetooth earphones is a bit short-sighted.
Mobile phones are trying to be all things to all men, One device to do it all with, from simple call making to organizing your digital life, social media to emails and photography - How could they miss music entertainment is beyond me.
So I take back some of the praises I had given before.
It is not as good as I hoped it would be.
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So in summary it's ****e.? Note 9 exynos dac is better?
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I don't think Neutron connects directly to the device DAC. You said in your own post that disabling Dolby Atmos makes a difference to the sound, and it seems unlikely that it's the DAC that's doing the Atmos processing. Might be wrong though.