Help finding the best earbuds for the HIFI V30 - LG V30 Questions & Answers

Hello everyone, so I got the V30 in israel with LG earbuds and not the B&O ones, am loving the sound with the Quad Dac but am looking for better sound quality
am more into earbuds than headphones, my question is which are some good quality earbuds to enjoy the V30, my budget is around 100$
Thanks

Lots of discussion here:
Share the current headphones you are using and a link to where you purchased them.
The three that keep being mentioned as great are:
Soundmagic E80
SoundMAGIC E80S (S = microphone)
They both have 64 ohms to trigger High Impedance Mode (need 50 ohms or more).
As well as...
1MORE Triple Driver
1MORE Triple Driver doesn't trigger HIM but still sounds very good.

KZ (Knowledge Zenith) AS10 (?) is supposed to be quite decent for its price (5 balanced armatures per side, BA/balanced armatures only headphones) ordered these but haven't gotten them yet
The Xiaomi Hybrid Pro HD are unfortunately NOT recommendable (excellent headphones, clarity, 2 BA and 1 dynamic driver per side) but they have extreme "random" digital wheezing/noise on the left channel for whatever reason - it's "fixed" in default mode in my kernel but SABRE ("quad") DAC mode is still showing that behavior: https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/help/headphone-static-xiaomi-hybrid-pro-hd-t3876390
so beware !
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tinaudio-t2.22715/reviews
TinAudio T2
and
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tin-audio-t2-pro.23324/reviews
TinAudio T2 Pro
are "neutral" calibrated/sounding IEMs and seem to be highly recommended ones among audiophiles
1more Triple or Dual headphones are also recommended quality/output wise
IEMs = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-ear_monitor

got Sony XHB-H3 plugs / at home i use my old battered F1 (12 Ohm only..)
Tip: use a short 4pin-extension cable .. stuck in first (__without__ headphone) to trigger high/infinite-impedance mode . . it stays that way then when you plug in the phone into the cable. of course u have to be carefull with volumen then ..
works the same as in V10 ...but the frontend does not tell you anymore what impedance (low/high/infinte) it detects

I have 1More Quad Drivers, LG branded Beoplay H3, ZeroAudio Carbo Tenore, B&O labeled generic LG earbuds, Sennheiser Momentum in-ears: I must say none of them are a good match wtih my V30 Plus.
I am running the QuadDAC active at all times and have purchased and installed the "Hi-Fi Status (LG) " application and it reports all of these earphones working in normal Hi-Fi mode. When I use the "insert an 3.5 adapter or extender cable" hack, Hi-Fi Status app reports the earphones working in Aux - External Audio Device Mode; not in High Impedence Device mode. The sound quality in Aux mode is definitely worser than High impendence mode when used with in-ear earphones. So, you should not rely on any adapter hack and aim to purchase an ear-phone with 50+ Ohm impedence.
The fact that even 1More Quad Drivers is not a good match is really surprising and annoying - that earphone sound amazingly clear and enjoyable on almost all smartphones.
If you can spend a bit more, people are going crazy for BGVP DM6 which is around 200 USD on Massdrop etc; it has a much lower impedence, but apparently sound amazing with all kinds of sources.
I know you want an in-ear earphone, but when you decide to go the on-ear headphones; I can recommend "Beyerdymanic DT770 Pro 80 Ohm" - my god, it makes me want to dance no matter what I listen to; I enjoy its sound so much. DT770 Pro has the following versions as far as I know : 16 Ohm/32 Ohm/80 Ohm/250 Ohm - 80 Ohm is the one that triggers High Impendence Mode and you get loud sound around 40/75 loudness; from 50/75 you get enjoyable sound on busses etc. A great headphone match for V30 Plus.

eyupo92 said:
I have 1More Quad Drivers, LG branded Beoplay H3, ZeroAudio Carbo Tenore, B&O labeled generic LG earbuds, Sennheiser Momentum in-ears: I must say none of them are a good match wtih my V30 Plus.
The fact that even 1More Quad Drivers is not a good match is really surprising and annoying - that earphone sound amazingly clear and enjoyable on almost all smartphones..
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I'll copy and paste, because you didn't read. None of these three below are over $100 U.S, and two of them are only $50 U.S.
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Lots of discussion here:
Share the current headphones you are using and a link to where you purchased them.
The three that keep being mentioned as great are:
Soundmagic E80
SoundMAGIC E80S (S = microphone)
They both have 64 ohms to trigger High Impedance Mode (need 50 ohms or more).
As well as...
1MORE Triple Driver
1MORE Triple Driver doesn't trigger HIM but still sounds very good.

Have a look at Etymotic Research hf3. Highly recommended if you like analytical sound.

eyupo92 said:
I have 1More Quad Drivers, LG branded Beoplay H3, ZeroAudio Carbo Tenore, B&O labeled generic LG earbuds, Sennheiser Momentum in-ears: I must say none of them are a good match wtih my V30 Plus.
I am running the QuadDAC active at all times and have purchased and installed the "Hi-Fi Status (LG) " application and it reports all of these earphones working in normal Hi-Fi mode. When I use the "insert an 3.5 adapter or extender cable" hack, Hi-Fi Status app reports the earphones working in Aux - External Audio Device Mode; not in High Impedence Device mode. The sound quality in Aux mode is definitely worser than High impendence mode when used with in-ear earphones. So, you should not rely on any adapter hack and aim to purchase an ear-phone with 50+ Ohm impedence.
The fact that even 1More Quad Drivers is not a good match is really surprising and annoying - that earphone sound amazingly clear and enjoyable on almost all smartphones.
If you can spend a bit more, people are going crazy for BGVP DM6 which is around 200 USD on Massdrop etc; it has a much lower impedence, but apparently sound amazing with all kinds of sources.
I know you want an in-ear earphone, but when you decide to go the on-ear headphones; I can recommend "Beyerdymanic DT770 Pro 80 Ohm" - my god, it makes me want to dance no matter what I listen to; I enjoy its sound so much. DT770 Pro has the following versions as far as I know : 16 Ohm/32 Ohm/80 Ohm/250 Ohm - 80 Ohm is the one that triggers High Impendence Mode and you get loud sound around 40/75 loudness; from 50/75 you get enjoyable sound on busses etc. A great headphone match for V30 Plus.
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Does the Beyerdymanic DT770 Pro 80 Ohm support Hi-RES audio which is 44KHZ?

P.K.Shivaram said:
Does the Beyerdymanic DT770 Pro 80 Ohm support Hi-RES audio which is 44KHZ?
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No idea on that; from what I have seen, it should be able to do that. I don't think the 44KHz stuff is related to headphones, it shoudl be related to the DAC chips capability; the headphones get some electrical signals; that's it.
I have listened to tracks ranging from 128K mp3 to 320K mp3, 256K AAC, 16/44 FLAC, 24/96 FLAC and 24/192 FLAC using LG music app, Poweramp; USB Audio Player Pro; then listened to Tidal FLAC tracks both 16/44 FLAC's to 24/192 MQA formats.
And I wanted to dance in all of these formats; for example I could barely hold myself on tracks like Bob Dylan's Things Have Changed and Bruce Springsteen's Cover Me or Dancing In the Dark to start shaking. It really made the music sound joyful.
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eyupo92 said:
No idea on that; from what I have seen, it should be able to do that. I don't think the 44KHz stuff is related to headphones, it shoudl be related to the DAC chips capability; the headphones get some electrical signals; that's it.
I have listened to tracks ranging from 128K mp3 to 320K mp3, 256K AAC, 16/44 FLAC, 24/96 FLAC and 24/192 FLAC using LG music app, Poweramp; USB Audio Player Pro; then listened to Tidal FLAC tracks both 16/44 FLAC's to 24/192 MQA formats.
And I wanted to dance in all of these formats; for example I could barely hold myself on tracks like Bob Dylan's Things Have Changed and Bruce Springsteen's Cover Me or Dancing In the Dark to start shaking. It really made the music sound joyful.
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Hi-Res Certification from Japan Audio Society requires the headphones to output at least 40,000 Hz to be Hi-Res certified: http://www.jas-audio.or.jp/english/hi-res-logo-en
DT770 Pro Frequencey Response range is 5 Hz - 35,000 Hz; so in that sense DT770 Pro is not Hi-Res certified : https://europe.beyerdynamic.com/dt-770-pro.html
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eyupo92 said:
No idea on that; from what I have seen, it should be able to do that. I don't think the 44KHz stuff is related to headphones, it shoudl be related to the DAC chips capability; the headphones get some electrical signals; that's it.
I have listened to tracks ranging from 128K mp3 to 320K mp3, 256K AAC, 16/44 FLAC, 24/96 FLAC and 24/192 FLAC using LG music app, Poweramp; USB Audio Player Pro; then listened to Tidal FLAC tracks both 16/44 FLAC's to 24/192 MQA formats.
And I wanted to dance in all of these formats; for example I could barely hold myself on tracks like Bob Dylan's Things Have Changed and Bruce Springsteen's Cover Me or Dancing In the Dark to start shaking. It really made the music sound joyful.
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Hi-Res Certification from Japan Audio Society requires the headphones to output at least 40,000 Hz to be Hi-Res certified: http://www.jas-audio.or.jp/english/hi-res-logo-en
DT770 Pro Frequencey Response range is 5 Hz - 35,000 Hz; so in that sense DT770 Pro is not Hi-Res certified : https://europe.beyerdynamic.com/dt-770-pro.html

eyupo92 said:
The sound quality in Aux mode is definitely worser than High impendence mode when used with in-ear earphones. So, you should not rely on any adapter hack and aim to purchase an ear-phone with 50+ Ohm impedence.
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that might be . but the sound-quality in Aux-Mode (600 Ohm+) is definitely BETTER than in no-headamp-mode (below 50 OHms whatever)
i listen with my XBAs on the V10 this way (with extension. in aux-mode) for the last 2 years ..
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Audio Quality - 32 BIT DAC : Best in Class?

Usually I carry a FiiO amp (I have three different models). I use them with my Note 3 and have various headphones ( Audio Technica ATH M50, V-Moda M100 and V-Moda XS, Beats Solo 2). On full amplification via the FiiO and depending on genre, I like the V-Moda XS and FiiO E18 the best. I would rate it a 9 for clarity and depth on portable device (I'm not huge into Ibiza levels of bass). So i walk into the T-Mobile store and hook up the V-Moda XS right to the phone and set the amplification to the highest setting. I would rate it a solid 8.5 (again for portable application). Although to a newbie not typically used to listening on good headphones they would probably rate it a 20.
Basically as is, the V10 makes carrying a headphone AMP a bit unnecessary now. By the way, I paid $160 for that FiiO E18 headphone amp a year ago but the going rate was over $200. The big selling point was that it was made for Android and you could switch to different tracks using the side mounted buttons on the FiiO instead of having to take the phone out, unlock the screen and move to a different track. For whatever reasons, all headphone cords don't work with all music apps on Android.
All that being said, is the V10 the best in class phone for not just camera functionality but audio playback?
I know the new HTC and Samsung Note 5 have a few advantages of their own. I'm curious to see if anyone thinks these are better on audio than the V10 based on experience.
I gave the Note 5 a quick listen, and V10 beats it IMHO. Had a fiio e18 too, good little amp.
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The V10 will hands-down have the best audio performance of any phone to date. However, the question has been raised as to whether or not the ESS DAC/amp are active 24/7. It seems some apps use the standard Snapdragon DAC instead (typically streaming apps). Local content works fine as far as I can tell, and I may have found a workaround to force the ESS DAC on a session-by-session basis, but it might be something that can also be forced via software modifications produced by developers later on.
Well that's good to hear since I won't be going back to Samsung since they ditched SD card and removable battery.
One thing I thought of, the V-Moda XS is known for having a compact folding design that has "military" grade impact resistance and all around durable build quality. Which are similar selling points for the V10. Right out of the box, this is a great sound pairing. Some say the Beats Solo2 is on par with V-Moda XS on sound, but given the plastic build quality it's not really the same value for the money.
Yes, some apps aren't working. Tidal is gtg fortunately. Sounds pretty damn good too.
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Nitemare3219 said:
The V10 will hands-down have the best audio performance of any phone to date. However, the question has been raised as to whether or not the ESS DAC/amp are active 24/7. It seems some apps use the standard Snapdragon DAC instead (typically streaming apps). Local content works fine as far as I can tell, and I may have found a workaround to force the ESS DAC on a session-by-session basis, but it might be something that can also be forced via software modifications produced by developers later on.
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I was wondering about that too. Let me touch on my experience a bit.
A couple of things for reference: I briefly tested the DAC with my Sennheiser Momentum, and then with my HD 650 without any intermediary signal processing. Also, I believe that the 32 bit is an overkill, so signal-wise I don't consider this better than a 16-bit DAC for practical purposes. Still, I like having it just because it's there. My comparison is between the V10 and a Nexus 4, as well as a FiiO E07K + Little Dot Mark III at times.
So, the Momentum: of course the Momentum run well and loud, since they are easily run. DAC-wise, I do notice some added clarity and soundstage with Hi Fi on using FLACS and 320 kbps files (nothing major, but it's there, as expected). All good.
Now, for the HD 650: the V10 with Hi Fi on will do an automatic impedance/power match, which is really nice for volume control normalization. In the end, the V10 makes the FiiO e07k useless, because the HD 650 sound fine, loud, and equally clear on the phone. Now here is the thing: we know that Spotify is not affected by the Hi Fi toggle, yet the sound is equally loud and clear on the HD 650 than with Hi Fi on using local files. When I turn Hi Fi off, the amp can't power the headphones nearly as well (or at all), impedance match ends, and the volume and clarity go down.
In short, Spotify with Hi Fi off = Local files with Hi Fi on, even though it's supposedly not affected by it.
What that means to me is that they could be doing a Beats maneuver, and lowering audio quality on Hi Fi off on local files to really give people the feel that turning it on affects music. On the other hand, it could mean that Spotify (or other 3rd party, streaming apps) simply bypass the toggle and just run on the amp/dac's full power regardless. Proof of the latter would be that my Nexus 4 (and some other phones I've tested) simply cannot drive the HD 650 at the level that the V10 does on Spotify. I mean, I can barely reach a mediocre volume on the Nexus 4 maxed out.
Keep in mind that this is my initial impression, and I haven't done an in-depth sound test yet. That said, I'm very happy with the V10 regardless, since it can effortlessly power my HD 650 without having to carry an external amp/dac combo.
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What that means to me is that they could be doing a Beats maneuver, and lowering audio quality on Hi Fi off on local files to really give people the feel that turning it on affects music. On the other hand, it could mean that Spotify (or other 3rd party, streaming apps) simply bypass the toggle and just run on the amp/dac's full power regardless. Proof of the latter would be that my Nexus 4 (and some other phones I've tested) simply cannot drive the HD 650 at the level that the V10 does on Spotify. I mean, I can barely reach a mediocre volume on the Nexus 4 maxed out.
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I don't think they lower quality for hi-fi off. It simply uses a completely different DAC. It defaults to the Qualcomm Snapdragon DAC... which is low quality.
jamor414 said:
I don't think they lower quality for hi-fi off. It simply uses a completely different DAC. It defaults to the Qualcomm Snapdragon DAC... which is low quality.
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That's what it's supposed to be like, so I'm inclined to believe it. My question is whether Spotify is really using the ESS, even if it was not supposed to. More of a curiosity than anything.
Kakuz said:
That's what it's supposed to be like, so I'm inclined to believe it. My question is whether Spotify is really using the ESS, even if it was not supposed to. More of a curiosity than anything.
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Inclined to believe what?
Someone reported getting 3rd party apps like spotify to use the ESS dac with toggling tricks so it's definitely possible that it was using the ESS dac.
jamor414 said:
Inclined to believe what?
Someone reported getting 3rd party apps like spotify to use the ESS dac with toggling tricks so it's definitely possible that it was using the ESS dac.
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Of course it's possible, but I have yet to find a 100% sure response. Not that it's a big deal anyways, since the audio is fine regardless.
By the way, can you send a link to the report? I want to test it.
Kakuz said:
Of course it's possible, but I have yet to find a 100% sure response. Not that it's a big deal anyways, since the audio is fine regardless.
By the way, can you send a link to the report? I want to test it.
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http://www.head-fi.org/t/782706/lg-...gship-android-phone-from-lg/465#post_12047691
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jamor414 said:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/782706/lg-...gship-android-phone-from-lg/465#post_12047691
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Thanks. That guy is saying something similar to what I said. Difference is, I didn't even have to overlap local file playing to trigger the amp/dac with Spotify. It just goes and it can't be turned off in any way, which is fine with me. But without any more information of course I was going to have initial doubts about it.
Can the v10 replace a standalone music player?
Kakuz said:
I was wondering about that too. Let me touch on my experience a bit.
A couple of things for reference: I briefly tested the DAC with my Sennheiser Momentum, and then with my HD 650 without any intermediary signal processing. Also, I believe that the 32 bit is an overkill, so signal-wise I don't consider this better than a 16-bit DAC for practical purposes. Still, I like having it just because it's there. My comparison is between the V10 and a Nexus 4, as well as a FiiO E07K + Little Dot Mark III at times.
So, the Momentum: of course the Momentum run well and loud, since they are easily run. DAC-wise, I do notice some added clarity and soundstage with Hi Fi on using FLACS and 320 kbps files (nothing major, but it's there, as expected). All good.
Now, for the HD 650: the V10 with Hi Fi on will do an automatic impedance/power match, which is really nice for volume control normalization. In the end, the V10 makes the FiiO e07k useless, because the HD 650 sound fine, loud, and equally clear on the phone. Now here is the thing: we know that Spotify is not affected by the Hi Fi toggle, yet the sound is equally loud and clear on the HD 650 than with Hi Fi on using local files. When I turn Hi Fi off, the amp can't power the headphones nearly as well (or at all), impedance match ends, and the volume and clarity go down.
In short, Spotify with Hi Fi off = Local files with Hi Fi on, even though it's supposedly not affected by it.
What that means to me is that they could be doing a Beats maneuver, and lowering audio quality on Hi Fi off on local files to really give people the feel that turning it on affects music. On the other hand, it could mean that Spotify (or other 3rd party, streaming apps) simply bypass the toggle and just run on the amp/dac's full power regardless. Proof of the latter would be that my Nexus 4 (and some other phones I've tested) simply cannot drive the HD 650 at the level that the V10 does on Spotify. I mean, I can barely reach a mediocre volume on the Nexus 4 maxed out.
Keep in mind that this is my initial impression, and I haven't done an in-depth sound test yet. That said, I'm very happy with the V10 regardless, since it can effortlessly power my HD 650 without having to carry an external amp/dac combo.
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Do you think the v10 can match something like a Fiio X3? I normally have to carry my phone and the Fiio X3. It'd be great to be able to carry just one device and not have to sacrifice decent sound quality.
3165dwayne said:
Do you think the v10 can match something like a Fiio X3? I normally have to carry my phone and the Fiio X3. It'd be great to be able to carry just one device and not have to sacrifice decent sound quality.
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I found this in another forum:
"I have had about 2 days to seriously listen to the V10 with a variety of different headphones and I've continued to be blown away. It puts the iPhone 6/6s to shame and even embarrasses (what I thought to be excellent) Samsung GS6E+/Note 5. I'm typing this in my bed listening to London Grammar's "Flickers" with my LCD-3 and V10. I'm amazed that a) a phone could power these cans as well as the V10 does and b) that there is such excellent instrument separation, transparency, soundstage, and quickness from a smartphone DAC/amp combo. I'd choose this over a FiiO X1/X3/(even) an X5. Until you get into the Questyle/AK territory, this thing is just as competent as any DAP. With TIDAL!"
And with that, I'm in
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I found this in another forum:
"I have had about 2 days to seriously listen to the V10 with a variety of different headphones and I've continued to be blown away. It puts the iPhone 6/6s to shame and even embarrasses (what I thought to be excellent) Samsung GS6E+/Note 5. I'm typing this in my bed listening to London Grammar's "Flickers" with my LCD-3 and V10. I'm amazed that a) a phone could power these cans as well as the V10 does and b) that there is such excellent instrument separation, transparency, soundstage, and quickness from a smartphone DAC/amp combo. I'd choose this over a FiiO X1/X3/(even) an X5. Until you get into the Questyle/AK territory, this thing is just as competent as any DAP. With TIDAL!"
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I'll see if I can get one tomorrow and test for myself.
3165dwayne said:
Do you think the v10 can match something like a Fiio X3? I normally have to carry my phone and the Fiio X3. It'd be great to be able to carry just one device and not have to sacrifice decent sound quality.
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I have a Fiio e07K that I used to use on the go. The V10 does just as well, or maybe even better, than the Fiio. Assuming the X3 is comparable to the e07k (haven't tested it), I would just stick to the V10 and reduce bulk.
I think I'll sell the e07K now.
Kakuz said:
I have a Fiio e07K that I used to use on the go. The V10 do just as well, or maybe even better, than the Fiio. Assuming the X3 is comparable to the e07k (haven't tested it), I would just stick to the V10 and reduce bulk.
I think I'll sell the e07K now.
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I think I'll sell my x3 as well.
Maybe it's possible that the V10 uses the ESS amplifier not matter what DAC is used. I've never noticed a difference between DACs for the most part... my PC sound card (Xonar Essence STX), Schiit Uber stack, and V10 all sound the same. Note5 honestly sounded about the same too. Maybe I just have insensitive ears or can't pick out the differences yet, but my AKG K812's are clearly the best sounding audio equipment I've ever heard, and I try to be critical in details of just about anything I hear sound through (apart from the source components). 320kbps .mp3's suit me just fine too.
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Maybe it's possible that the V10 uses the ESS amplifier not matter what DAC is used. I've never noticed a difference between DACs for the most part... my PC sound card (Xonar Essence STX), Schiit Uber stack, and V10 all sound the same. Note5 honestly sounded about the same too. Maybe I just have insensitive ears or can't pick out the differences yet, but my AKG K812's are clearly the best sounding audio equipment I've ever heard, and I try to be critical in details of just about anything I hear sound through (apart from the source components). 320kbps .mp3's suit me just fine too.
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mp3 normally sounds a bit more noisy and a lot of the details i look for are normally not present. then again, my hearing is pretty good. so I do notice the diffrence between mp3 at 320kbps and flac. At most times I don't listen to my music at high volumes either and then the missing stuff becomes more apparent.
I can tell the difference using Koss Portapro with 192kbps ogg.
The sound is more transparent than G4.

Earphones suggestion for Poco F1

I have recently bought a Poco F1 and I need a good pair of earphones. I have a Samsung earphone, but I am afraid to use it. The last time I was in a Xiaomi service centre for my Mi A1, one of the technicians suggested me not to use Samsung earphones. He said the headphone jack on Samsung has a bit different shape even though 3.5mm headphone jack is universal. Samsung 3.5mm jacks are a bit narrow on the edge and thick at the bottom/end. Due to this structure, if it's pushed hard, the 3.5mm port may get damaged or loosen in a long run. After hearing this, I stopped using Samsung earphones (except Samsung devices) and now I am looking for a earphones which can produce perfect balanced music (not heavy bass or heavy treble). I was thinking of going for Xiaomi earphones, but the reviews are not good. Can someone please help me??
Thank you!!
I bought some Xiaomi Mi Youth earphones. Only about€5 and really nice sound quality (especially with the phone set to the right EQ for the earphones in settings)
Depends a bit on your taste, and the situation you want to use them.
For my home, I use a Sony MDR-10RNC, they are amazing in terms of sound quality. And I also got them pretty cheap, like 50 dollars, they were originally like 200 so I got a pretty got deal, sadly since they are also a bit old, like 6 years, you might have trouble to find them on that price.
For exterior, I use Bluetooth headphones, the Jaybird X2 you can find them also around the same price, or X1 cheaper, they sound quite great for bluetooth headphones, they are sweat proof, but I have use them on rains and never had a problem with them. They also deliver very good sound with poco, and to me they are very practical for subway or streets.
Hope it was from help!
Still using my Klipsch S4A II edition. Nice sound especially when listening to music with Viper4Android in it.
I am Using Apple Genuine 3.5mm .Perfect with "Mi Earbuds" in EQ Option.
Rowdyy Ronnie said:
I have recently bought a Poco F1 and I need a good pair of earphones. I have a Samsung earphone, but I am afraid to use it. The last time I was in a Xiaomi service centre for my Mi A1, one of the technicians suggested me not to use Samsung earphones. He said the headphone jack on Samsung has a bit different shape even though 3.5mm headphone jack is universal. Samsung 3.5mm jacks are a bit narrow on the edge and thick at the bottom/end. Due to this structure, if it's pushed hard, the 3.5mm port may get damaged or loosen in a long run. After hearing this, I stopped using Samsung earphones (except Samsung devices) and now I am looking for a earphones which can produce perfect balanced music (not heavy bass or heavy treble). I was thinking of going for Xiaomi earphones, but the reviews are not good. Can someone please help me??
Thank you!!
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You can go for sennheiser one they are bit costly but has perfect balance between bass & treble. crystal clear sound as per my liking.
BUT what ever you go, go with earbuds which provide buttons so that you can change the song using it as in MIUI there's no provision to skip song via volume button on phone.
Oneplus 1st gen is also good option. (it has mic & 3 buttons and good sound at cheaper rate, afaik sennheiser one with same would cost you around twice as much)
Rowdyy Ronnie said:
I have recently bought a Poco F1 and I need a good pair of earphones. I have a Samsung earphone, but I am afraid to use it. The last time I was in a Xiaomi service centre for my Mi A1, one of the technicians suggested me not to use Samsung earphones. He said the headphone jack on Samsung has a bit different shape even though 3.5mm headphone jack is universal. Samsung 3.5mm jacks are a bit narrow on the edge and thick at the bottom/end. Due to this structure, if it's pushed hard, the 3.5mm port may get damaged or loosen in a long run. After hearing this, I stopped using Samsung earphones (except Samsung devices) and now I am looking for a earphones which can produce perfect balanced music (not heavy bass or heavy treble). I was thinking of going for Xiaomi earphones, but the reviews are not good. Can someone please help me??
Thank you!!
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interesting that you say that , thats why many complain sammy akg earphone is not working well with poco , i explain to a few people yet they are ignorant about it , lol
im using the Xiaomi Mi In-Ear Headphones Pro 2 / Quantie 2 which is present in the MIUI headphone settings.
curious anyone install soundabout app ? kept crashing
Xerk-Xes said:
im using the Xiaomi Mi In-Ear Headphones Pro 2 / Quantie 2 which is present in the MIUI headphone settings.
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How is it?? I placed order and cant wait for it to arrive...
Btw im still use Piston 3 and S8 Akg earphone at the moment...
Some offbeat ChiFi suggestions -
1. KZ ES4 (about 14$)
2. Rock Zircon (about 11$)
3. Tin audio T2 (about 35$)
All of them can be bought from aliexpress/gearbest and more than justify their price. Currently rocking an ES4 with my Poco and very happy with them. Hope it helps.
ronald_loulan said:
How is it?? I placed order and cant wait for it to arrive...
Btw im still use Piston 3 and S8 Akg earphone at the moment...
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They are excellent except the problem lies with the Poweramp or Pocophone being unable to play HiFi Flac files at 24bit via Direct HD.
I am using Viper4Android as main equalizer but havent tweaked it yet for this earphone as i am waiting for Android Pie Stable update for the Poco.
Keep your impedance low (true for wired earphones/headphones)
Good day, if you wanted to have better earphones just make sure to keep track with their impedances.
Keep your impedances in this range (earphones, IEMs, and the likes): 20 ohms or below, you can do up to 25 ohms max but that's really a gamble, I've seen that @prateekj1993 has posted a 25 ohm KZ ES4 and it works so I guess I'll adjust my recommendations up to 25 ohms as before I only suggest up to 20 ohms.
For headphones, you need to do lower impedance than earphones due to bigger speaker driver. You should keep your impedance below 16 ohms for higher peak volume, anything greater would make you crank you volume to max everytime as what I always did on my 19 ohms (passive mode) MDR-NC8 headphones. Active headphones with their own dedicated volume is an exception OFC.
Here's what I have:
1. KZ ZS6 (15 ohms).
2. KZ ZS5 (16 ohms).
3. MDR-NC8 (17 ohms active, 19 ohms passive).
I advice anyone posting here about their recommended earphones or IEMs to post the model name and the corresponding impedances. Thank you for reading.
Rowdyy Ronnie said:
I have recently bought a Poco F1 and I need a good pair of earphones. I have a Samsung earphone, but I am afraid to use it. The last time I was in a Xiaomi service centre for my Mi A1, one of the technicians suggested me not to use Samsung earphones. He said the headphone jack on Samsung has a bit different shape even though 3.5mm headphone jack is universal. Samsung 3.5mm jacks are a bit narrow on the edge and thick at the bottom/end. Due to this structure, if it's pushed hard, the 3.5mm port may get damaged or loosen in a long run. After hearing this, I stopped using Samsung earphones (except Samsung devices) and now I am looking for a earphones which can produce perfect balanced music (not heavy bass or heavy treble). I was thinking of going for Xiaomi earphones, but the reviews are not good. Can someone please help me??
Thank you!!
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https://www.amazon.in/Focal-Sense-1...ords=focal&dpPl=1&dpID=31UFZZ8eYUL&ref=plSrch
You won't get to see such premium build and fantastic sound quality in this price range. This pair of earphones is bomb.
Xerk-Xes said:
They are excellent except the problem lies with the Poweramp or Pocophone being unable to play HiFi Flac files at 24bit via Direct HD.
I am using Viper4Android as main equalizer but havent tweaked it yet for this earphone as i am waiting for Android Pie Stable update for the Poco.
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Ohh man, i was really looking forward using that with poweramp...
Btw our DAC are not fully ultilise? Or Poco DAC sucks??
Well impedance is not a parameter for audioquality
If you have the money and you want one of the best planar magnetic inears: audeze isine 10 or isine 20
They sound like big overears of even like a soundsystem, amazing iem's i have the isine 20 and its par on par with the audeze lcd 3 bigger brother
ronald_loulan said:
Ohh man, i was really looking forward using that with poweramp...
Btw our DAC are not fully ultilise? Or Poco DAC sucks??
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I believe it's not fully utilized because the Direct HD used the 24 bit upon an update but unfortunately i messed it up by going into the Audio Settings of the Output which reverts it back to the 16 bit.
Otherwise the sampling frequency options work fine.
I recently bought the OnePlus Wireless Bullets.
Im really happy with those earphones so far
The magnetic functions work so far really well. Auto disconnect and auto connect work. The only thing that does not work is autoplay function when they are connected, but I wouldn't like it anyway.
They have a Type-C connector and Dash Charge.
jody2k said:
Well impedance is not a parameter for audioquality
If you have the money and you want one of the best planar magnetic inears: audeze isine 10 or isine 20
They sound like big overears of even like a soundsystem, amazing iem's i have the isine 20 and its par on par with the audeze lcd 3 bigger brother
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WTF dude, did you just say that impedance is not a parameter for audio quality? Impedance matching is the first thing you should do when you want to match your speaker/earphones/headphones to your amp. Anyways it is known that Poco F1 can drive in-ears up to 25 ohms so your isine 10 and 20 (both 24 ohms) is well within range.
FYI impedance dictates the volume and also how the audio quality behaves all-throughout the volume range. If you match your Poco to a 32 ohm headphones, you'll have a very low volume output even at 100%. Audio quality is nil when you can't hear a decent sound.
Do you know what people does when they blindly bought 32 ohm in ears for Poco? They complain that Poco's sounds too low. You're lucky that your isine is 24 ohms if you have that kind of mindset towards impedance.
I'd recommend you to buy a good DAC cable first since the audio output isn't good for me. You can get Venture Electronics Odyssey for budget or Sonata HD II for a bit higher price range.
For the IEM's, I'd say go for music/audio shops and audition each earphones you find there. Each one has different preference depending on music genres and artists. I currently use KZ ED16 which has balanced sound signature in case you want a reference.

User report on Mate 20 Pro DAC capability and audio quality.

Hi
Just like the rest of you guys, I could not get any data on the phone's DAC spec. sound quality etc.
So now that I have my own, I can report on the matter. Hopefully it will be of use to others.
Equipment:
- Huawei Mate 20 Pro 128GB on Three mobile UK
- Q-Jays ear buds new version ( https://www.jaysheadphones.com/q-jays )
- Ultimate Ears 700 ( https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/ultimate-ears-700-noise-isolating-earphones )
- Neutron music player ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp&hl=en_GB )
- LG G6+ ( https://techaeris.com/2018/02/10/lg-g6-prime-exclusive-review )
- Supplied Huawei USB-C to 3.5mm pass-through adapter
DAC capability
For those of you not familiar with Neutron music player, I have to say that it probably is the definitive Android Hi-Res music player.
It can detect and connect directly to a device DAC, by-passing the operating system. It is capable of playing DSD formats in DOP - and just about any bitrate and bit depth (16bit to 32bit).
Neutron reports that the DAC is a Hi-Res version!
Through experimentation I have concluded that it is capable of the following:
- 16bit - 24bit - 32bit resolutions.
- 44.1 KHz - 48KHz - not 88.2KHZ - 96KHz - not 176.4KHz - 192 KHz - 352 KHz sampling rates.
- It has no native DSD capability - if not resampled, the DAC resamples it to 48 KHz and plays it back.
technically enabling DSD in DOP inside Neutron, manages to play back a DSD track, but checking the output stream shows 48 KHz.
Disabling the Dolby Atmos, renders a better sound and a few dB's louder.
Sound Quality
First impressions were of a good volume, full sound.
The resolution of higher bitrate tracks shines through. DSD sounds very good .
I did not have any mp3's - so the findings are from lossless FLAC recordings or DSD tracks.
Perhaps the absolute highest frequencies were a little hard, but then again THIS is where many reviewers of my earphone agree it could be the earphones, .
Comparison to LG Quad-DAC capable LG G6+
The G6+ has the legendary Quad-DAC arrangement coupled to a high output amplifier, it is capable of sampling frequencies up to 192 KHz but no native DSD.
The sound of G6+ was a bit softer than Mate 20 Pro, volume was about the same, but the highest frequencies were not as hard, nor as loud! Huawei sounded a little fuller past 12 kHz. Bass was also a little fuller on Mate 20 Pro also.
Conclusion
I liked Mate 20 Pro a little better! you could hear a little more detail - was it the treble? I don't know!
But to hold it's own against the legendary LG's Quad-DAC and high output amplifier, is one hell of an achievement by itself - beating it is a WOW.
Incidentally I had tried a Samsung Note 9 also.
The Note 9 does have native DSD capability, but it does not sound any better than the LG - they sound very similar.
So there is no need for an external USB DAC as such, specially the cheapo ones built in a USB-C cable.
Huawei pass through adapter is enough , but for the most discerning Audiophiles, with deepest of pockets and bat-like ears!
Sobering Monday Morning thoughts
So I had the weekend to play a bit more with the device.
After listening to various tracks, it became obvious that the treble "issue" was troublesome!
it makes listening for more than 20 mins tiring on the ear. At first the extra treble gave the sound a sparkle, a false sense of detail but it wasn't to be.
So I dug out my trusted Fiio E18 Kunlun out of storage and tried to hook it up.
It does connect through the USB port, so no problems there.
Fiio shows where Mate 20 Pro fails! not until you listen to something better, would you know what was missing.
Fiio is a lot better, smoother and un-fatiguing.
Take "Paolo Nuttini's album Caustic Love" for example. On track " Diana" within the first few seconds, listening through Fiio, you can clearly hear start of a mix tape on the right, when a Valve Guitar amplifier is added, and although guitar player is yet to play anything, you still get to hear the distinctive Tube-amp signature noise and feedback. The slightest handling of the guitar body is also clearly heard through. This is something you can not focus on using the phones output. It is possible to listen for hours through Fiio and want some more.
Compared to Fiio , Mate 20 Pro's sound is distorted, specially at treble - I am not trying to praise Fiio here, I am just saying a good few year-old external DAC does a better job.
So perhaps a decent Hi-res external DAC is needed after all - I do hope Huawei would address this issue.
I reckon this is why Huawei has been so tight-lipped about it's phones audio capabilities after all !
Assuming we all gonna use bluetooth earphones is a bit short-sighted.
Mobile phones are trying to be all things to all men, One device to do it all with, from simple call making to organizing your digital life, social media to emails and photography - How could they miss music entertainment is beyond me.
So I take back some of the praises I had given before.
It is not as good as I hoped it would be.
After I bought the Mate 20 Pro I will never buy a Huawei phone again until they fix the crappy headphone audio quality. Why my Anker Soundcore Spirit sound on PC 10x better than on the Mate 20 Pro? And I am not talking about wired headphones. Forget it completely. You can't listen music on this device with wired headphones without getting ear pain. At least with the included USB-C-Adapter.
kentajalli said:
Hi
Just like the rest of you guys, I could not get any data on the phone's DAC spec. sound quality etc.
So now that I have my own, I can report on the matter. Hopefully it will be of use to others.
Equipment:
- Huawei Mate 20 Pro 128GB on Three mobile UK
- Q-Jays ear buds new version ( https://www.jaysheadphones.com/q-jays )
- Ultimate Ears 700 ( https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/ultimate-ears-700-noise-isolating-earphones )
- Neutron music player ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.neutroncode.mp&hl=en_GB )
- LG G6+ ( https://techaeris.com/2018/02/10/lg-g6-prime-exclusive-review )
- Supplied Huawei USB-C to 3.5mm pass-through adapter
DAC capability
For those of you not familiar with Neutron music player, I have to say that it probably is the definitive Android Hi-Res music player.
It can detect and connect directly to a device DAC, by-passing the operating system. It is capable of playing DSD formats in DOP - and just about any bitrate and bit depth (16bit to 32bit).
Neutron reports that the DAC is a Hi-Res version!
Through experimentation I have concluded that it is capable of the following:
- 16bit - 24bit - 32bit resolutions.
- 44.1 KHz - 48KHz - not 88.2KHZ - 96KHz - not 176.4KHz - 192 KHz - 352 KHz sampling rates.
- It has no native DSD capability - if not resampled, the DAC resamples it to 48 KHz and plays it back.
technically enabling DSD in DOP inside Neutron, manages to play back a DSD track, but checking the output stream shows 48 KHz.
Disabling the Dolby Atmos, renders a better sound and a few dB's louder.
Sound Quality
First impressions were of a good volume, full sound.
The resolution of higher bitrate tracks shines through. DSD sounds very good .
I did not have any mp3's - so the findings are from lossless FLAC recordings or DSD tracks.
Perhaps the absolute highest frequencies were a little hard, but then again THIS is where many reviewers of my earphone agree it could be the earphones, .
Comparison to LG Quad-DAC capable LG G6+
The G6+ has the legendary Quad-DAC arrangement coupled to a high output amplifier, it is capable of sampling frequencies up to 192 KHz but no native DSD.
The sound of G6+ was a bit softer than Mate 20 Pro, volume was about the same, but the highest frequencies were not as hard, nor as loud! Huawei sounded a little fuller past 12 kHz. Bass was also a little fuller on Mate 20 Pro also.
Conclusion
I liked Mate 20 Pro a little better! you could hear a little more detail - was it the treble? I don't know!
But to hold it's own against the legendary LG's Quad-DAC and high output amplifier, is one hell of an achievement by itself - beating it is a WOW.
Incidentally I had tried a Samsung Note 9 also.
The Note 9 does have native DSD capability, but it does not sound any better than the LG - they sound very similar.
So there is no need for an external USB DAC as such, specially the cheapo ones built in a USB-C cable.
Huawei pass through adapter is enough , but for the most discerning Audiophiles, with deepest of pockets and bat-like ears!
Sobering Monday Morning thoughts
So I had the weekend to play a bit more with the device.
After listening to various tracks, it became obvious that the treble "issue" was troublesome!
it makes listening for more than 20 mins tiring on the ear. At first the extra treble gave the sound a sparkle, a false sense of detail but it wasn't to be.
So I dug out my trusted Fiio E18 Kunlun out of storage and tried to hook it up.
It does connect through the USB port, so no problems there.
Fiio shows where Mate 20 Pro fails! not until you listen to something better, would you know what was missing.
Fiio is a lot better, smoother and un-fatiguing.
Take "Paolo Nuttini's album Caustic Love" for example. On track " Diana" within the first few seconds, listening through Fiio, you can clearly hear start of a mix tape on the right, when a Valve Guitar amplifier is added, and although guitar player is yet to play anything, you still get to hear the distinctive Tube-amp signature noise and feedback. The slightest handling of the guitar body is also clearly heard through. This is something you can not focus on using the phones output. It is possible to listen for hours through Fiio and want some more.
Compared to Fiio , Mate 20 Pro's sound is distorted, specially at treble - I am not trying to praise Fiio here, I am just saying a good few year-old external DAC does a better job.
So perhaps a decent Hi-res external DAC is needed after all - I do hope Huawei would address this issue.
I reckon this is why Huawei has been so tight-lipped about it's phones audio capabilities after all !
Assuming we all gonna use bluetooth earphones is a bit short-sighted.
Mobile phones are trying to be all things to all men, One device to do it all with, from simple call making to organizing your digital life, social media to emails and photography - How could they miss music entertainment is beyond me.
So I take back some of the praises I had given before.
It is not as good as I hoped it would be.
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So in summary it's ****e.? Note 9 exynos dac is better?
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I don't think Neutron connects directly to the device DAC. You said in your own post that disabling Dolby Atmos makes a difference to the sound, and it seems unlikely that it's the DAC that's doing the Atmos processing. Might be wrong though.

Sound Quality

I just upgraded from a V20 to a V60 and the sound quality through Bluetooth headphones has been incredibly disappointing. The max volume is lower and the low frequency response is terrible. On my V20, I installed Music Volume EQ and my Powerbeats BOOMED and my Rav4 sounded like it had subwoofers. With the V60 and the EQ, it sounds like $5 ebay earbuds and without the EQ, it sounds like FM radio through $5 earbuds. Am I missing something? Is a setting wrong? Do I need an update? I don't have any good wired headphones to test the DAC, but I shouldn't have to. I'm not a millennial rap fan, just a 48 year old physicist. I don't think I'm asking too much.
Help!
Mike
Anything?
The quality over bluetooth on mine sounds fine... But I tend to keep my volume level low. If I turn on the LG 3D Sound Engine, it boosts the audio volume a bit. For wired, the Hi-Fi Quad DAC setting does improve quality too.

Question Are stereo speakers balanced? And DAC for 3.5mm?

Hello,
Does sound coming out from front stereo speakers sound balanced? Does top or bottom speaker sound louder than the other?
And does it have powerful DAC for 3.5mm headphone port?
Last Xperia I had was Z5 Premium. It's speakers sounded very unbalanced. I don't remember which side, but one side was noticeably louder than the other, which was very annoying to listen to. The other phone I'm seriously considering is ROG Phone 5. It's got same size of speakers on the both end, so it's speakers are perfectly balanced, and also have powerful Quad DAC for 3.5 mm port. However, it's biggest cons are of course the cameras and screen if you compare with Xperia 1 III. I think I can let go of 3.5mm port, but if speakers don't sound balanced, it'd could be a deal breaker for me.
Sitti01 said:
Hello,
Does sound coming out from front stereo speakers sound balanced? Does top or bottom speaker sound louder than the other?
And does it have powerful DAC for 3.5mm headphone port?
Last Xperia I had was Z5 Premium. It's speakers sounded very unbalanced. I don't remember which side, but one side was noticeably louder than the other, which was very annoying to listen to. The other phone I'm seriously considering is ROG Phone 5. It's got same size of speakers on the both end, so it's speakers are perfectly balanced, and also have powerful Quad DAC for 3.5 mm port. However, it's biggest cons are of course the cameras and screen if you compare with Xperia 1 III. I think I can let go of 3.5mm port, but if speakers don't sound balanced, it'd could be a deal breaker for me.
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I don’t think anyone has the 1M3 yet. But as far as the DAC, I have the 1M2 and some high end in ear earphones from Campfire Audio and some from Sennheiser and I have a couple of expensive DACs that connect via USB C and honestly I get the same high quality sound with my external DACs as when I plug straight in to the 3.5mm port. I have some other earphones and headphones with a 4.4mm balanced cable so I use an external DAC for those, but mainly just plug in to my Xperia. I expect the same or better DAC in the new phone.
Are they using the S Master DAC or are they not disclosing what the DAC is?
The DAC is absolutely top notch. I have the fiio q5s and xduoo 05 bal. I think it's just as good as the xduoo and better than the fiio. The sound is tuned to be very smooth. Smoother than the two said DACs. So it's a god sent if you have bright sounding headphones too harsh to listen to.
As for the speakers, balanced, good but not impressive
i can confirm the 1 iii has a terrific built in DAC. i have some (IMO) high end IEMs. I tested my campfire audio atlas and polaris mk2. I also have a couple of ifi audio DACs that I think are well regarded (hip dac and an iDSD). plugging into the 1 iii directly in its headphone jack sounds great. i don’t notice any difference as compared to a separate DAC.
I have both Rog Phone5 and xperia1 iii, I think Rog Phone5 speaker effect is much better than xperia1 iii, as for the use of 3.5mm playback, Rog Phone5 performance is very bad, xperia 1iii seems to have a built-in amplifier but the decoding is still using the processor built-in dac, xperia 1iii has Sony's tuning so good listening experience

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