Hi all,
My phone is exceptionally clean (using my debloat script), other than Whatsapp there's nothing using mobile. I feel the battery has been getting worse each week so today I did a test.
Fully charged I went for a cycle ride lasting exactly 4hrs. I didn't use the phone at all, by the time I got back the battery was 55%.
So I think there's nothing else left for it other than the battery is end of life. As I'm an electronic engineer it'll be easy to take the chip off the battery and stick it on another if I can find one the right size. Has anybody done any investigation regarding this?
Cheers,
Andrew
Hey Snoopy!
Ya, I just did the same thing with my battery. Taking off the back is easy. And the battery setup is just like most non-removable phone batteries, with the small pcb that attaches to the battery on the two metal tabs (- +) that protrude from the battery cells. So it's easy enough to replace, so long as you're comfortable soldering onto those two tabs.
The battery is miniature. Absolutely tiny. I believe it's 4mm x 34mm x 40mm (but that's from memory), so you can find some little guy on alibaba, but it has to be pretty much the same size, with only about 1mm of wiggle room.
What I am planning to do: I'm just leaving the back cover OFF, and getting a bigger sized one (like maybe 10mm thick), and then making a new back cover for it. Like out of wood, or maybe I'll melt down some aluminium and cast one. That way, maybe I can get this thing ready to last a week or so.
Lastly, I don't know if you know this yet, but GRAPHENE batteries have hit the market. These charge in just like 2 minutes and last way longer, and are significantly smaller. If you can find a graphene battery that fits, it would definitely be worth the money.
Cheers!
Hi Andrew,
first I want to thank you very very much for your work on the palm. It helped me a lot to use this phone in the way I want.
I'm using three of this phones (verizon from ebay-us) in Germany (Provider Congstar/Telekom) and with no deep technical knowledge I'm limited in testing around.
But I want to share my experince with batterylife:
My main Palm is running the 1AMD build (rooted, cleaned with your script, wifi off, mobile data off, bluetooth off). The phone is using the 3G Network from Congstar. With minor use (some text messages, 20min calls every 2 days) the battery lasts 4-5 day. without sim card up to 10 days. I am very happy with that.
My second Palm with same settings (rooted, cleaned...) but with 1AMG (latest update via Sugar), sucks off the whole battery in less than 24h.
My third Palm same as the second (rooted, cleaned, with 1AMG, everything off) and no sim card is now at 42% (Phone idle 5d 10h 45m - 4 days left).
Today I downgraded my second palm from 1AMG to 1AMD and it will show if the batterylife is depending on the build and network. I will post the result
Cheers!
I do have mobile on, and whatsapp will be doing some interaction in the background no doubt. I might see about a way to disable mobile while on battery, see if that sorts it.
sergio_chichi said:
Hi Andrew,
first I want to thank you very very much for your work on the palm. It helped me a lot to use this phone in the way I want.
I'm using three of this phones (verizon from ebay-us) in Germany (Provider Congstar/Telekom) and with no deep technical knowledge I'm limited in testing around.
But I want to share my experince with batterylife:
My main Palm is running the 1AMD build (rooted, cleaned with your script, wifi off, mobile data off, bluetooth off). The phone is using the 3G Network from Congstar. With minor use (some text messages, 20min calls every 2 days) the battery lasts 4-5 day. without sim card up to 10 days. I am very happy with that.
My second Palm with same settings (rooted, cleaned...) but with 1AMG (latest update via Sugar), sucks off the whole battery in less than 24h.
My third Palm same as the second (rooted, cleaned, with 1AMG, everything off) and no sim card is now at 42% (Phone idle 5d 10h 45m - 4 days left).
Today I downgraded my second palm from 1AMG to 1AMD and it will show if the batterylife is depending on the build and network. I will post the result
Cheers!
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can you explain how to downograde?
capridream said:
can you explain how to downograde?
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You need the files from a previous build. I use the Sugar Software and rename the old files with the filename from the update Sugar downloaded. After that just upgrade as discribed in the Root-How-To.
I also tried out to copy the file from EU version on a US-Verizon phone. This is unhappiely not working. After I restored the original build the Wifi and Bluetooth functions not working anymore.
snoopy20 said:
I do have mobile on, and whatsapp will be doing some interaction in the background no doubt. I might see about a way to disable mobile while on battery, see if that sorts it.
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Nothing changed. The battery lost 20% in 2h while the other phone lost 2% in 2h. I don't understand it.
sergio_chichi said:
You need the files from a previous build. I use the Sugar Software and rename the old files with the filename from the update Sugar downloaded. After that just upgrade as discribed in the Root-How-To.
I also tried out to copy the file from EU version on a US-Verizon phone. This is unhappiely not working. After I restored the original build the Wifi and Bluetooth functions not working anymore.
Nothing changed. The battery lost 20% in 2h while the other phone lost 2% in 2h. I don't understand it.
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sended pm to you !
snoopy20 said:
I do have mobile on, and whatsapp will be doing some interaction in the background no doubt. I might see about a way to disable mobile while on battery, see if that sorts it.
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My 1AMD phone (rooted and used your script) is at 85% after 20h. Everything off (wifi, mobile data, location, bluetooth), mobile Network on. Minor use. Just typed some text messages.
My 1AMG phone (rooted and used your script) is at 90% after 16h. Everything off (wifi, mobile data, location, bluetooth), mobile Network on. No usage, just checking state of the battery very few hours.
My third phone downgraded from 1AMG to 1AMD. The one which I crashed with the EU build (wifi and bluetooth dead), running out off battery over night. Everything off, no Sim.
I think the Android and Accubattery etc are totally unreliable. All Android knows are two things
a) the batteries design capacity.
b) the voltage.
c) the condition of the battery as reported by the battery.
Working out 'drain' requires measuring the voltage delta over time and working out a % requires knowing how much system load there was during that time to induce that voltage drop.
So everything said if you've just reinstalled or restarted and so on then the % is fairly meaningless.
The best way is going to be to charge your phone up and time how long until it dies. Assuming the same application load as another phone then the results are comparable.
Palm Support were fairly quick getting back, which is surprising. They said -
"Size: 3.8x34x42mm
Capacity: 800mAh, 5V1A
Type: Lithium-ion
Number of cells: 1
Weight: 11.7g"
So I'm hunting on aliexpress for a replacement battery soon.
Andrew
hardbodyrichert said:
Hey Snoopy!
Ya, I just did the same thing with my battery. Taking off the back is easy. And the battery setup is just like most non-removable phone batteries, with the small pcb that attaches to the battery on the two metal tabs (- +) that protrude from the battery cells. So it's easy enough to replace, so long as you're comfortable soldering onto those two tabs.
The battery is miniature. Absolutely tiny. I believe it's 4mm x 34mm x 40mm (but that's from memory), so you can find some little guy on alibaba, but it has to be pretty much the same size, with only about 1mm of wiggle room.
What I am planning to do: I'm just leaving the back cover OFF, and getting a bigger sized one (like maybe 10mm thick), and then making a new back cover for it. Like out of wood, or maybe I'll melt down some aluminium and cast one. That way, maybe I can get this thing ready to last a week or so.
Lastly, I don't know if you know this yet, but GRAPHENE batteries have hit the market. These charge in just like 2 minutes and last way longer, and are significantly smaller. If you can find a graphene battery that fits, it would definitely be worth the money.
Cheers!
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sergio_chichi said:
Hi Andrew,
first I want to thank you very very much for your work on the palm. It helped me a lot to use this phone in the way I want.
I'm using three of this phones (verizon from ebay-us) in Germany (Provider Congstar/Telekom) and with no deep technical knowledge I'm limited in testing around.
But I want to share my experince with batterylife:
My main Palm is running the 1AMD build (rooted, cleaned with your script, wifi off, mobile data off, bluetooth off). The phone is using the 3G Network from Congstar. With minor use (some text messages, 20min calls every 2 days) the battery lasts 4-5 day. without sim card up to 10 days. I am very happy with that.
My second Palm with same settings (rooted, cleaned...) but with 1AMG (latest update via Sugar), sucks off the whole battery in less than 24h.
My third Palm same as the second (rooted, cleaned, with 1AMG, everything off) and no sim card is now at 42% (Phone idle 5d 10h 45m - 4 days left).
Today I downgraded my second palm from 1AMG to 1AMD and it will show if the batterylife is depending on the build and network. I will post the result
Cheers!
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Do you have a source? I'm struggling to find anything of the size!
Did you checked out the OEM battery on ebay for the pvg100?
Probably equally knackered. These small batteries have a hard life. But the image does show who they are made by and the quality from new should be excellent as this is a reputable supplier.
I asked Palm support and they said -
"There's not really an equivalent model for the Palm battery; most batteries
either have a different form factor, higher milliamp capacity (and
attendant increased size), or insufficient voltage. Even a few of my
standbys for weird parts (Alibaba, Wish, etc) don't turn up anything
appropriate. My recommendation would be to get a Palm from eBay listed as
"for parts" or otherwise not working."
hardbodyrichert said:
What I am planning to do: I'm just leaving the back cover OFF, and getting a bigger sized one (like maybe 10mm thick), and then making a new back cover for it. Like out of wood, or maybe I'll melt down some aluminium and cast one. That way, maybe I can get this thing ready to last a week or so.
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Hello,
The backside of an original PVG100 battery is labeled 383440, meaning 3.8*34*40 mm.
Searching 103440 on Aliexpress showed the thick batteries you mentioned (10*34*40 mm size ; 1400 mAh capacity). They are dirt cheap, if you want to try them.
Why not a 3D printed back cover ? This would allow for making several prototypes, to improve the shapes (if the first ones do not lock properly into the frame). You could then share your 3D files with the PVG100 owners community, so that anyone could print it or have it printed by a 3D printing company.
Let's dream further : if your "deep" back cover has no bump for the 103440 battery (in other words, if it is flat), the empty space above the battery could be populated by a second battery. A 602540 (6*25*40 mm size ; 600 mAh capacity) or a 603040 (6*30*40 mm size ; 1200 mAh capacity) may fit under the flashlight led.
Another option for the double battery : keep an original battery in its standard location, and add a 604060 battery (6*40*60 mm size ; 1500 mAh capacity) over it, inside a deep 3D printed back cover .
Lots of ideas, but I have no PVG100 (yet ?) and no 3D printer.
It is easier to advise than to do !
Have a nice day !
Cobus.
I have a 3d printer, and maybe I can coerce a mate into laser scanning the rear.
Anyone have a picture with the rear cover off so I can see where the battery lives?
Cheers,
Andrew
https://fccid.io/2AOETPVG100/Internal-Photos/TempConfidential-internal-photos-3950494.pdf
I'd like to have a look at the battery, but how did you open the backcase?
I've tried gently without success
It's in a good location. Might be easier to cut a hole out of the rear panel, then 3d print a bump and weld it over the top. I don't fancy my chances getting a perfect rear cover to print.
Palm support are being unusually good at the moment, I'll see if I can sweet talk them into sending over the CAD for the rear cover!
darthghoul said:
I'd like to have a look at the battery, but how did you open the backcase?
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I did not. I don't even have a PVG100 !
The link I gave is the FCC ID Database. Pictures were provided by Palm when they applied for FCC registration.
Have a nice day !
Cobus.
snoopy20 said:
Hi all,
My phone is exceptionally clean (using my debloat script), other than Whatsapp there's nothing using mobile. I feel the battery has been getting worse each week so today I did a test.
Fully charged I went for a cycle ride lasting exactly 4hrs. I didn't use the phone at all, by the time I got back the battery was 55%.
So I think there's nothing else left for it other than the battery is end of life. As I'm an electronic engineer it'll be easy to take the chip off the battery and stick it on another if I can find one the right size. Has anybody done any investigation regarding this?
Cheers,
Andrew
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Ta-DAAAA! Here try this! This is the UNBRADED (non-verizon) firmware that I got off of a EU standalone palm.
There are 27 files here, and I renamed them all to the 1AMD version, so that if you are already running 1AMD, you can just trick Sugar to load these pseudo-1AMD files, but they are really the 3C35, which is the only version of firmware that is not commissioned by Verizon. Seems like you still need to disable Google play services, but otherwise the battery life is pretty good. I use aurora services instead of google play, and the battery lasts all day with moderate use, and only loses a couple points over night.
The boot.img file here is pre-rooted with magisk. However, I have not yet run Andrew's debloat script on this firmware yet.
https://mega.nz/file/eMQ2VYLY#lJ3q7PNJ_pq5-YqgUFjAGB_oxBXzSg3v8qB6T7DdzAw
https://mega.nz/file/zURyQAYI#V1dHc-dlwvW7JDv29BcWanUG6sNfdfGCITxhbBJ_EDk
https://mega.nz/file/XIQ0CAgD#h4OhqU9YZr2smRztniYGFoBEwGdcVug9HKi6Do7Tb_Y
https://mega.nz/file/jEYwjK6Q#2MufWyl3TBcaELGsDfEOeBWebWyLu-2TxOXMwpYB45g
https://mega.nz/file/zBQC0QIY#cqlT1ultI1BH5Fahx5iyFBhBuT6Ag0IySGruprzKK94
https://mega.nz/file/aIAwGCSA#GssQW2VlNXuodJgz4EMZ49uUuVvXQEwZJzsBbWLHo_Y
https://mega.nz/file/iVZSTKAL#EIHaUpBsQVEnCia3xRxFThce--RmiSDjn7qo5L_Glt8
https://mega.nz/file/ScAyVAIA#F-iGl48CVbVRJXMPpygLUuhQVnLJKNjkGv-F7lKSg2A
https://mega.nz/file/rNAQzQYA#f3kcllKj7OAniaVeDjTH1oQWl8Mz0NLwo4NU3D0GsEk
https://mega.nz/file/jRBEgYSS#9kPUSbsTvt2vuusUVozgjvJFMZqI5GeaEX5C8U-3eNg
https://mega.nz/file/mQAgkSQJ#xEO1ZNwhhRAyEOV5KwkxEDXN-0OoC6CoCBXTd6waQ0o
https://mega.nz/file/6JYw3Q5A#Mb-2__yDwo_RWSwGNeF5gSeOO7dWCGgWp1Ca4RTVLXY
https://mega.nz/file/PJQEGAZa#Qr_dHVZQUnNc0ZA5kuvECo_ZXBYBUxq-D1o0n-p_k-o
https://mega.nz/file/eRBQzCqC#b0mOMJhjpJRdt0Of6FMJE3XPWl9Fd6wUd0e55QFcQ9g
https://mega.nz/file/SdQS2SbJ#Wp0OGQh8H_SdIABz215XhdP_GIiTQnVsm_aKpbf4ElA
https://mega.nz/file/rNYGzQaL#RHn7kC7wqnhyQOuxI63JVSZ4zCCSFGP4KPPZb163LOw
https://mega.nz/file/PdJiRAYQ#SIZ8_IVRDsmeUb1ipD8aGosjgjBm8usoc2E-iwF1O4M
https://mega.nz/file/jdBQxISQ#ubE-__adSonoM2qFVioc_7Oyvje30PgVrUIDsgVoB1I
https://mega.nz/file/DABCWCxY#9GO1fC0VHpjh4aZyqxuvSH76tavfXUAr744lLXkLW0w
https://mega.nz/file/aEJUnKRY#bqYqoPgcSSga_nMqz_cjGSTVFPGNIe3wIFNlWOm1OWw
https://mega.nz/file/GIZ0xY6J#0LGsurORKkG4w07t2vfax5WkZAl5TV_U2_LKE1F52OQ
https://mega.nz/file/TUA2RCrJ#iK5fJ64F1nBMCvEnXP49UL5H3A9MnE-26N8_eL1YMew
https://mega.nz/file/KUJAGI5b#mVr9Ch8oPzpokiRT7GtyR-7Gd1tKinuaLgANvnckVMI
https://mega.nz/file/3MAg0CaY#laAaH0WVg5WvLVctMQx5HdhoLbo867GcUPLZ2W1VjX0
https://mega.nz/file/bBBEXAYA#FL69Cx4HKHSd1E2sgQstPKbef3G4w2MWXRuLyaGg7HY
https://mega.nz/file/jIAiHIJC#J6H8hKKL0O6Nlaf4hxdUcTIX6HVLJ6x6Do0BarJKK3o
https://mega.nz/file/mBYwQQZK#nxcSkFJgblh-5dIG3AyUEoZzWfhRdIvZNH3sVL8NY2c
To install, go to Sugar's bin folder, and after first upgrading and downloading the 27 files, simply swap these linked files (they are 3C35, but already renamed 1AMD to trick Sugar) with the files that Sugar automatically downloaded from their server, and click upgrade! Sugar will think that it is just rewriting 1AMD onto your palm, but it will actually be cross-flashing my unbranded firmware, 3C35.
Just a quick note about this firmware, it still has all the Gapps, and if you use Verizon in the U.S. like I do, it seems like the Palm will then auto-install a verizon app upon setup. Just disable it.
Cheers!
I'm going to try this
My script will work fine on it, it'll skip the verizon ones not found, same with the config edits.
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hey guys as many of you know the TP2 has CRAP for battery life (when under use, it'll stand by forever in airplane mode )
anyway i push Email and constently use BT or wifi to connect to my laptop for tethering ect.
and normally it'll charge overnight then start to complain by about 4pm sometimes "as late as" 6pm
then it's ALWAYS off by 7
anyway i was looking at possibly getting another battery maybe an extended.
i noticed ATT sells a 2150 pack (stock is 1500 right?) that should give me a few extra hours of use... but it's 60 bones
any one ever use it before and does it require the fat back plate?
as seen here:
edit:
im a "new" user still and cannot post links...
here it is anyway
*h-t-t-p dub dub dub* .wireless.att *DOT COM* /cell-phone-service/accessory-details/?q_categoryid=&q_sku=sku4290227&q_manufacturer=HTC&q_model=prod4000225
your "link" didn't work for me; I assumed the "dub" meant W, so dropping the "www" it worked fine.
$60 for an OEM battery doesn't sound too bad, but I wouldn't pay it.
if you look a few threads down, there is a pretty active topic regarding extended batteries, with a few lower priced alternatives. may provide a few more answers than I can.
I have used the 2150 mAh extended battery
Yes, it does require a "fat back" cover that comes with it. The good thing about it is that it is an HTC battery and cover. I, like you, place a heavy burden on the battery on a daily basis. The original 1500 would hardly make a day of it. The 2150 lasts about 25% longer for me; I usually have about 25% left by nightfall. I still have to charge it nightly. Curiously, my Tilt2 can be fully charged, say, by 10pm. I can shut if off and lo and behold when I bring it up in the morning, it's already down to 90%. Go figure. I think there is a slight logic problem going on in the Tilt2 because quite often, my phone will show a marginal 27-30% left, but if I "bounce it" with a soft reset, when it comes back up, it quite likely will show 65-70%. Hmmmmm.
I ordered a 2800mAh battery and cover from a firm in Gt. Brit. It came today, so I'll know more about how it is working in a few days. If anyone wants to know, I'll give them more feedback. Since it IS for a T-Mobile Touchpro 2, the new cover doesn't have a hole for the PTT button, but I had already disabled it anyway. The only con so far is that the hole for the stylus is practically inaccessible. I have short fingernails and cannot get the sylus out of it without using a pencil or pen to pop it out.
Other than that.... I like the extended time I get with these batteries. I don't mind carrying a brick if I can use it all day long without worries. Good grief, I carried a "bag phone" for 2 years back in the late 80's.
Hope this helps.
BTW: The 2800mAh battery & cover I got from England cost me $33.50 including shipping and it took about 10 days to get here (Texas). So far, so good.
2800mAh battery
And just in case someone wants to know, the website I got it on was:
http://www.superetrader.co.uk/extended-battery-2800mah-for-htc-touch-pro-p-5298.html
and the part number was:
1 x Part #5298 :: Extended Battery 2800mAh For HTC Touch Pro 2
2800mAh battery
Well, I have used this extended battery for 5 days now and I've only had to charge twice. I use an AT&T Tilt 2 with stock ROM. I keep bluetooth, data connection and push email on 100% of the time. With the stock 1500 mAh battery I would need to recharge in about 8-10 hours. With this 2800 mAh battery, I have about 65% left at the end of the 1st day, about 30% at the end of the 2nd day, I give it a full charge and go for another 2 days. On the weekend, I turn bluetooth, data connection and push email off, and it lasted all weekend with out a charge.
I think I'm getting my $33.35 worth. Although the back cover that came with it is for the T-M Pro 2, it fits fine with the exception of the PTT talk button being covered up; which I don't care about anyway since I had already disabled it. It is somewhat thicker but the cover fits good and I have no problems with it.
txvet said:
Although the back cover that came with it is for the T-M Pro 2, it fits fine with the exception of the PTT talk button being covered up; which I don't care about anyway since I had already disabled it. It is somewhat thicker but the cover fits good and I have no problems with it.
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If you were to heat up a screw driver real hot and poke it through the cover do you think the PTT issue would be resolved?
People of this thread: Check out our thread because we're after the same answers but with numbers, not impressions with fuzzy calculations. We want the truth, we want it down to the milliamp hour. I'd sure love to test this OEM 2150mAh battery...
d0ugie
You're so humorous. Sorry that there are some of us that talk in generalities. You know, using your "fuzzy numbers", as you allege.
I'm soooooo impressed that you are seeking only "the truth". That's commendable. However, you might want to lighten up with the "holier than thou" stuff. It's not very becoming on you.
As for the smart remark about using a heated screw driver to place a slot for the PTT button, I can only say this:
I am inure to the twin onslaughts of flattery AND ABUSE; so have at it.
nuf said.
Whatever arrogance I exhibited was both light and in jest. That was a disproportionate response.
Though I do think God is on my thread's side.
First of all, hello to everyone. I have been reading through a lot of threads here in the last few weeks after getting my HD2, especially the ones about battery life.
I have never owned a smartphone, so I have no comparison but I'm barely getting through 1 day of use when fully charged! And I'm not even using it that much yet, Wifi is off, no data transfers, just some texting and calls. I have installed Bandswitch and Battlog, didn't really help though.
Got the phone brand new (T-Mobile US) and haven't done any major tweaking yet, it's still pretty much stock with a few programs that I installed so far.
Do you guys have a similar experience or is it completely different? I love the phone, but if I dont even get through one day of use (and I want to use the phone in the future, not just for surfing but for music streaming or web browsing), I would have to bring it back.
Any help appreciated!
It's just something you have to live with, buy a spare battery, or the extended battery, flash a lighter ROM, adjust screen brightness turn off push e-mails etc etc.
I can get 2 days battery from very light use. i.e. a few texts and calls a day, no Wi-Fi, bluetooth or internet browsing. That's just how smartphones are.
So how do you do it on a daily basis?
My battery is fully charged in the morning and lets assume I'm using the phone for what I bought it for - some music streaming, gps here and there if I need it, some web browsing, calls and texts etc.
I haven't even started using most of the features of the phone and my battery has died twice on my already while I was out at night.
How can that be normal or acceptable? I can't charge my battery every 6h...
brutzel1 said:
So how do you do it on a daily basis?
My battery is fully charged in the morning and lets assume I'm using the phone for what I bought it for - some music streaming, gps here and there if I need it, some web browsing, calls and texts etc.
I haven't even started using most of the features of the phone and my battery has died twice on my already while I was out at night.
How can that be normal or acceptable? I can't charge my battery every 6h...
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Maybe you shouldn't have a smart phone? Battery technology is ****, it's a shame, but it's true. The only thing I can suggest is a spare battery, I carry one everywhere.
I generally watch an hour and a half of video a day on my phone, text, call, use the internet and I can still make a 9 hour day with 40%+ battery left, and just incase I am out and about in the evening before I have a chance to get the phone on charge I have the spare.
But with that said half hours charge from the mains will give you a good 30% topup I very seldom have to swap the batterys and I use a pretty juicy ROM.
Kalavere said:
It's just something you have to live with
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or maybe not
Given his kind of use, 2 days should be normal. Right now I'm squeezing 3 days out of this battery, and that's only because I swap it out when it's at 10%, otherwise it could be a little longer... and a few calls here and there is not the only thing I did with it... it's still my work pda after all
Since it's pretty much stock, unless it gets better with time (the first recharging cycles are the worst) and even after a hard reset it won't get better, it probably is something wrong not software related.
Install battclock and check the standby battery drain, shouldn't be much higher than 4mA, up to 7mA could be normal, any higher than that, especially if significant, and you've got something wrong, and found the cause to the short battery life.
First off, buy a couple of cheap oem batteries from here...
Now, these eBay batteries have performed slightly better than the original battery...
Some of us smartphone users are so used to poor battery life we have power charging cradles at home work and car just to keep the charge up... And have spare batteries every in case of emergency...
I take my phone off the charger at 6am to go to work... My avg day is 6-10 calls, 20 reminders, an hour of UNO, an hour as a wifi router and I return home at 5pm with 50-60% battery life...
they are trying to make batteries smaller and thinner so they can make the phones thinner and smaller so battery life is compromised. But you do need to give it some time to settle in.
Back up batteries and cradles to charge them are cheap and an easy solution. So are extra chargers to keep at work, in the car, etc. Most people can charge their phone at least an hour during the day and that should give you all you need.
The only smartphone that I didn't carry an extra battery for was the moto q9c, because it came with an extended life battery. But on these phones, that probably isn't the best option.
So what did you guys do to improve the battery life of your HD2? Are there any specific programs (I heared about G-Profile) you are not supposed to use or did you guys just deinstall all the T-Mobile Apps?
If I can just get 1 day of actual use out of it I am OK with that. I just dont want to have die every second or third day if I use more often than normal...
Any suggestions or may tests I could do? I feel like I could stream music on Slacker for about 90 Minutes and the battery would be dead...
EDIT: Just did Battlog for about 15 Minutes, my phone uses between 15ma and 31ma when in standby. So where do I start, how do I find the culprit?
I love huge screen HTC devices and Im a power user, so my solutions for power issues are:
Callpod Fueltank Duo
http://palmtops.about.com/od/accessoriesperipherials/fr/Callpod-Fueltank-Duo-Review.htm
Mugen Extended-size High-capacity 2600mAh Battery for HTC HD2
http://www.mugenpowerbatteries.com/
There is a 15% discount right now, better hurry.
Extra chargers and thats it! Now I browse, calls, emails, music, videos, TV stream (Slingplayer) and maximize all of the other features of my HD2 t9193.
Software and the end-user are the cause behind battery drain. I've got 2.5days out of moderate use so I don't think it's the hardware at all.
Methods for testing battery consumption and proof it is typically software related
Hi,
At the risk of looking like I'm trying to hijack this thread, I started a discussion on this particular subject a while ago as feedback on my finding after reading almost all the threads I could find regarding battery use on the HD2. Lude219 is 100% correct, the issue is always software related (yea, I know there might be exceptions to the rule) and my phone was a prime example of that.
See the thread below that explains how to measure your battery consumption, has logs and screen shots from users you have high consumption and also people who have systems where battery life is more than 48 hours so that you can compare your results.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=718173
Regards
I'm also sure it's software related. My phone would use app. 2% overnight with all connections closed. This i tested over months. Then suddenly without me changing anything drastic software wise, it pulled 5% per 3-4 hours. So after going thru all the cleaning routines nothing helped exept a good "ram cleaning" . Somehow or other the phone starts processes over time wich consume alot of power. One would have to look into it with a process manager to find out what exactly it is. WinMo seems to be quite sofisticated looking at all the running processes. So my view is , keeping the system tidy might be the only way to save the extra power.This is where the huge diffrence to other platforms seems to be, it can take quite a while until you have configured your phone the way you need it. I am useing the stock rom 1.66 German
thanks you guys for participating and sharing your thoughts.
But now, here is a thinker:
Last night, I let my battery drain all the way to zero and then recharged it at night. The only other thing I did was installing BSBTweaks and Touch X Taskmanager. I also changed my Bandswitch Settings to turn off data when not used and put it at 60 sec (instead of 500 sec before).
And I couldnt believe what I was seeing, I took my phone off the charger this morning around 8.30am and now at 7pm I am still at 84%!!! I did not use the phone heavily but sent and received a few texts, made 1 call and played around with it for a little bit. Similiarly to what I did in the beginning after I got the phone, but then the battery had almost died at 7pm!
I am super happy and hope it stays like that but cannot explain why all the sudden it is that different...
Hi everyone,
This is a very usefull thread, for me it is, thanks to everybody that answered.
regrding the last post, a noobish quesition is
”Bandswitch Settings to turn off data when not used and put it at 60 sec (instead of 500 sec before): how do i do this?”
I remember stumbling upon this setting the day i got the phone and started viciously going through it.
Somehow it didnt store in my memory the path i went that day so i can try doing what the man sugested.
So if anyone can lay a hand, much obliged.
Regards
i lost 12 pct over night in 9 hours with my radio turned off last night and only gmail and texts were open...
with battlog how do i do the test so it stays in standby? it keeps turning the screen on and off when i run benchmark
You may want to flash a new radio. Try a new one each day and measure battery life. I use radio 2.12.50 and have had a good experience.
yeah but with my radio turned off the radio shouldnt affect it shoudl it?
i use blackberry to stream pandora radio thru aux for about 8 hours a day and it still has 2 bars left after that.
HD2 just sits there and kills the battery lol
what kind of phone is that when you have to disable all its functions every time you dont use it?
seriously this is called unfinished product or poor design, that is beeing sold to customers as a next best thing.
you guys can argue with me all you want. i heard many excuses from users advocating the companies. such as. if you dont like this than pay more for a better product. well HD2 is a better product, its a 500 dollar phone damn it.
but you dont realize that even the "better" products suffer from same underdevelopment syndrome.
companies spend millions on consumer research and consumers spend millions on **** they dont need every year. cows eat grass, consumers eat garbage made by big companies.
where are the better products? they dont exist because it became "normal" to have a faulty OS or for your phone buttons to fall off, or battery to explode.
companies worked long and hard to make consumers get used to the idea that garbage is just a part of life, and worked long and hard to minimize costs of production, and cut corners.
which corners?
the final QA testing that is not beeing done by a company, so they can release the phone 3 months earlier, the consumers pay for the phone and test it.
we work for the company and we pay for it instead of getting paid.
the phone breaks oh how sad ,
company takes note(dont use this cheap glue or the buttons fall off, get a lil more expensive glue next year)
so they use better glue and cut another corner and we buy another "new and improved phone" and this time screen goes dim oh dang not again...and it continues.
do you disconnect your car battery every night so it doesnt die? or when you buy a lexus do you drive with your AC off because it cant pull the car around when ac is on same time as the stereo?
For those still using the TG01 I've just done a mod that gives my TG01 9 days on a single charge... that's right, 9 days on a single charge!!! Of course it depends on usage.
Image 1 (see thumbnails) shows the completed mod. I did this by making a battery tray out of 1/4" square pine rods I picked up at an RC hobby shop. The rear cover is Mugen's from their 2600 mAh battery kit.
Image 2 shows the battery connector (black). I snagged this from an HTC 8525 junk mainboard. It has 6 contacts and only needed 3 so just left the full length to add stability.
Image 3 shows a top view of the installed battery tray and the wooden retainer strip to the right.
Image 4 shows the battery tray and battery comparison.
Image 5 shows the battery tray sitting on top of the original Toshiba battery. There was a lot of tedious work to make this tray but it wasn't too difficult.
This mod has so far exceeded my expectations. Buying a genuine Samsung OEM battery (joint Japan-Korea product) probably is one reason for the fantastic performance. And the phone isn't very heavy. The new Samsung battery only requires a single charge, unlike my original multi-battery pack which required charging several times to get a full charge. The inherently inaccurate TG01 battery meter is still present but not a real problem with this mod.
I also bought an aftermarket 5000 mAh 'fat' battery kit for the Samsung Galaxy Note in case this one didn't meet expectations and am in the process of slightly modifying that battery (adding extensions to the electrical contacts) to use with this tray. I will have to modify the back cover as the 'fat' battery is 15mm thick. I'll give an update once that mod is completed and tested. If anyone would like additional details, photos, etc., just let me know.
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Update - Finally had to recharge my phone again. This time it managed 6 days (instead of "about 5 days" that I reported initially)!!! TBH these were mostly fairly light days, no videos and games, a mixture of calls, some camera shots, and some Internet browsing. I also forgot to turn it off one night. The battery might have lasted a full week but my TG01's whacky battery protective circuitry turns the phone off when the battery level falls below "28%". After popping the battery out to recharge in my external charger I decided to check the voltage. What to my surprise the battery still had around 3.2v remaining. I was thinking WTF as it's safe to discharge li-ion/li-po batteries down to 2.75v. I wonder if there is a way to override this ridiculously conservative setting. If anyone has any idea please chime in.
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Update #2 - Oct 24th
This Samsung battery just keeps getting better and better. My 3rd full recharge cycle yielded 8 full days of light usage. My 4th full recharge cycle jumped to 9 full days!!! The 5th cycle resulted in 5 days of mixed light and heavy usage and still probably had another day of use left. See my response to fxdjacentyfxd below for more details.
Cheers!
CrashMurdock said:
For those still using the TG01 I've just done a mod that gives my TG01 about 5 days on a single charge... that's right, about 5 days on a single charge!!! Of course it depends on usage.
Image 1 (see thumbnails) shows the completed mod. I did this by making a battery tray out of 1/4" square pine rods I picked up at an RC hobby shop. The rear cover is Mugen's from their 2600 mAh battery kit.
Image 2 shows the battery connector (black). I snagged this from an HTC 8525 junk mainboard. It has 6 contacts and only needed 3 so just left the full length to add stability.
Image 3 shows a top view of the installed battery tray and the wooden retainer strip to the right.
Image 4 shows the battery tray and battery comparison.
Image 5 shows the battery tray sitting on top of the original Toshiba battery. There was a lot of tedious work to make this tray but it wasn't too difficult.
This mod has so far exceeded my expectations. Buying a genuine Samsung OEM battery (joint Japan-Korea product) probably is one reason for the fantastic performance. And the phone isn't very heavy. The new Samsung battery only requires a single charge, unlike my original multi-battery pack which required charging several times to get a full charge. The inherently inaccurate TG01 battery meter is still present but not a real problem with this mod.
I also bought an aftermarket 5000 mAh 'fat' battery kit for the Samsung Galaxy Note in case this one didn't meet expectations and am in the process of slightly modifying that battery (adding extensions to the electrical contacts) to use with this tray. I will have to modify the back cover as the 'fat' battery is 15mm thick. I'll give an update once that mod is completed and tested. If anyone would like additional details, photos, etc., just let me know.
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It's great. But it's true. May I make it myself?
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Yes, you certainly may. I can take some more pictures and provide more details if you're interested. The only difficult part is to find a battery connector from a junk phone to connect the new battery. You will also have to modify the original TG01 back cover if you don't have the Mugen 2600 mAh kit cover. Other than that I used some heavy gauge copper wire to make the new battery tray harness and pine wood for the tray. The original Toshiba battery was the template to make the new wood battery tray. Again, this mod is a little tedious but not too difficult. I used pine wood for the battery tray as it is very light, strong, and easy to work with.
Good luck! :good:
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For those still using the TG01 I've just done a mod that gives my TG01 6 days on a single charge... that's right, 6 days on a single charge!!! Of course it depends on usage.
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Hi Jim. Nice work. I am glad You still use TG01 like me ))
Regards
Jacek
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Hi Jim. Nice work. I am glad You still use TG01 like me ))
Regards
Jacek
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Thanks Jacek! I appreciate the complement, especially coming from you, the battery mod master. :good: Yep, unfortunately the TG01 forums are beginning to have only echos as most have moved on. I really like my TG01 as it still does everything I need except for Skype & 3G. I confess I'm too lazy and a bit scared to mess around with cooking a new ROM to change the radio since I have no experience in such matters.
Regarding this battery mod I have to say this Samsung battery is incredible. I'm currently on day 8 of fairly light use (3rd recharge cycle) and my battery is finally down to 30%. I reboot the phone several times daily to update the inaccurate TG01 battery meter.
Regarding the battery meter I do have a question for you. Is there a way to modify the battery driver(?) or ??? so the phone will not shut off until the battery discharges down to 2.8-2.9v? We're losing quite a bit of time before recharges since the phone shuts off between 3.2-3.4v. Toshiba really screwed up on that one.
I'll be updating this thread so stay tuned my friend.
Cheers,
Jim
Hi Jim.
Sorry for late response. Yes, TG01 forum is almost dead
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I reboot the phone several times daily to update the inaccurate TG01 battery meter.
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Why do You do this at all ? Only for that to have accurate value ?
CrashMurdock said:
Regarding the battery meter I do have a question for you. Is there a way to modify the battery driver(?) or ??? so the phone will not shut off until the battery discharges down to 2.8-2.9v? We're losing quite a bit of time before recharges since the phone shuts off between 3.2-3.4v. Toshiba really screwed up on that one.
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As I remember when I was developing stub for original battery driver [ in fact my driver it is not native driver because I have ( I guess nobody have ) no knowledge how to access hardware responsible for battery measurements. It behaves exactly like device driver but calls original battery driver and sometimes ... cheat so that work with TG01 was possible under 20%. You know my 26% ]
I realized I had not any influence when TG01 shut off. I was doing some measurements. Sometimes it shut off when battery is about 3.2-3.4 ( typically ) but sometimes it shut of when battery is 2.91V . Take into account that having 3.2-3.4 battery have of course some capacity yet but You realize that there are ( can be ) big current flows ( peeks ) that can very easy do decrease voltage on snapdragon and other hardware below 3V and lower. I guess that is why voltage level when TG01 shuts off is so different.
Regards
Jacek
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Why do You do this at all ? Only for that to have accurate value?
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Greetings Jacek,
Sorry about the delay in responding. Had a cancer scare and had to take a trip to Bangkok for a complete physical. Luckily no cancer and all is good.
Regarding your question I was forced to reboot the TG01 several times daily or it would frequently turn itself off in the middle of phone calls. With my new Samsung battery I don't have to reboot it anymore but still do when the battery level drops to an indicated 30%-40% as the TG01 battery meter routine is still faulty. This new battery is so good it will last a full day even when starting at 30% charge.
I've been documenting recharge cycles and phone usage. Before going to Bangkok last week I got 9 full days of light usage! While in Bangkok I was using the phone a lot including lots of wi-fi time. I still got 5 full days with 30% remaining. I could have gotten another day but decided to recharge as hospital stay and overnight bus trip back home would have been too long before I could recharge.
I am extremely happy :laugh::victory::silly: with this new Samsung battery mod. Even still, I'm considering trying to modify my mod to use the new Samsung Galaxy Note 2 battery, rated at 3100mAh. Unfortunately, the Note 2 is so new I can't find the battery dimensions. There are no free lunches and since it has 24% more capacity it has to be 24% larger. If it's just 24% longer I can possibly modify my existing rig. If it's any wider it's not an option. If it's thicker then I would have to buy the 'fatter' Mugen cover like you have. At this late stage it isn't worth it, especially since this mod works so well.
Cheers my friend! :good:
Jim
Hi Jim.
Nice to hear You are healthy
It seems You are becoming best known battery mod maker in the world
It is nice You still want to do something with tg01.
Recently, after some rom modifications I had problems with frequent tg01 system restarts but it seems I know what was wrong. Having opportunity, i changed radio to 321 which seems to be better for talks than radio 1600 I typically was using.
Tests are in progress.
Cheers
Jacek
fxdjacentyfxd said:
Hi Jim.
Nice to hear You are healthy
It seems You are becoming best known battery mod maker in the world
It is nice You still want to do something with tg01.
Recently, after some rom modifications I had problems with frequent tg01 system restarts but it seems I know what was wrong. Having opportunity, i changed radio to 321 which seems to be better for talks than radio 1600 I typically was using.
Tests are in progress.
Cheers
Jacek
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Greetings Jacek,
Thank you for the kind words. Glad you were able to solve your radio problem. I made a mistake by putting one of my 1100mAh Cameron Sino batteries in my TG01 again. The reason was I had discharged my Samsung battery and had it on an external charger, but needed to make some calls. Now my phone is back in slow mode again unless I have Bluetooth turned on. I hope the problem is only temporary as the phone has been working perfectly until now. If you have any ideas please let me know.
Thanks, my friend!
Jim
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Greetings Jacek,
Now my phone is back in slow mode again unless I have Bluetooth turned on. I hope the problem is only temporary as the phone has been working perfectly until now. If you have any ideas please let me know.
Jim
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Hmmm , once again. You removed Your battery pack then You inserted fully charged Cameron Sino battery. From this time Your phone works very slow and only cure for it is to switch BT on ?
Regards
Jacek
fxdjacentyfxd said:
Hmmm , once again. You removed Your battery pack then You inserted fully charged Cameron Sino battery. From this time Your phone works very slow and only cure for it is to switch BT on ?
Regards
Jacek
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Yes, it's the exact same problem I had for months before I did the Samsung battery mod. Miraculously, the problem went away as soon as I installed the new Samsung. I have already removed the Cameron Sino and reinstalled the Samsung, but the 'slow' problem is still there. I have no idea why.
Thanks!
Jim
Tell mi Jim, having previously Samsung battery, You always drained it totally before charging( untill tg01 shutdown itself ) or rather You were charging it to full state again without tg01 shutdown ? It is "paranormal activity" for me but maybe reason is concerned with the fact that You removed power totally ( battery exchange ). I know it sounds stupid. Were You exchanging Samsung battery pack in the past many times and nothing wrong was happening ?
Regards
Jacek
fxdjacentyfxd said:
Tell mi Jim, having previously Samsung battery, You always drained it totally before charging( until tg01 shutdown itself ) or rather You were charging it to full state again without tg01 shutdown ? It is "paranormal activity" for me but maybe reason is concerned with the fact that You removed power totally ( battery exchange ). I know it sounds stupid. Were You exchanging Samsung battery pack in the past many times and nothing wrong was happening ?
Regards
Jacek
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Let me start by saying the original s-l-o-w problem just disappeared as soon as I started using the Samsung battery. I have to say that I have had NO problems at all using the Samsung battery. In fact, the experience with the phone is so much better because I don't even have to think about the battery anymore. Keep in mind it's a single battery so there is no fighting between battery protection circuits like I think I was having with my multi-battery mod.
To answer your question, at first I drained the Samsung battery until the TG01 auto-shut-off turned it off at around 26%. I did this because I read that a new battery needs several full discharge/recharge cycles to get maximum capacity of the battery. This has proven to be true as capacity increased each cycle finally leveling off at 9 full days between recharges. I've also partially recharged the Samsung with 30% remaining with no problems. I've only gone through about 9-10 recharge cycles to date with the Samsung because it usually lasts 8-9 days between recharges, dependent upon usage.
During this time I have also used the phone a time or two with the original Toshiba battery while the Samsung was charging, because the large Samsung battery takes a full day or night to fully recharge. The TG01 did not suffer the s-l-o-w mode then. It was only after I put the single Cameron Sino 1100mAh battery back in that the s-l-o-w mode problem started again.
I'm relatively sure a hard reset will fix the s-l-o-w problem because it worked before when using the Cameron Sino battery pack. Unfortunately the problem would come back. Now I believe the Cameron Sino battery's protective circuit may be damaged and caused the s-l-o-w problem. I won't be using that battery again. I'll update you after I hard reset the phone.
Cheers, my friend!
Jim
P.S. - Could you please post or send me your finger-swipe-to-unlock file? Mine disappeared during one of the master resets. THANKS!!!
Hi Jim.
I wait for Your hard reset results. Having opportunity maybe You change and test radio to 321 ?...
I do not quite understand what You mean "your finger-swipe-to-unlock file" ? You mean You want to remove "lock screen action" after going sleep at all ?
Regards
Jacek
fxdjacentyfxd said:
Hi Jim.
I wait for Your hard reset results. Having opportunity maybe You change and test radio to 321 ?...
I do not quite understand what You mean "your finger-swipe-to-unlock file" ? You mean You want to remove "lock screen action" after going sleep at all ?
Regards
Jacek
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Hi Jacek,
I still haven't backed up my phone yet so haven't done the master reset yet. When I first installed your custom ROM it had an Android type 'swipe to unlock' feature. I disabled it because I had the auto-screen orientation turned on and it made the swipe to unlock difficult to use. I stopped using the auto-screen orientation a long time ago because it is so laggy. I'm having to unlock the phone using the original Windows Mobile unlock feature which is crappy and would like to add the swipe to unlock feature.
Thanks!
Jim
Jim, I am getting older but I can swear I have never had any android-like software.
My custom rom has always had default WM6.5/WM6.5.x screen locker/unlocker disabled. As You surely know, this unlocker is based on sliders. Maybe that is why You say it is like in androd. Being disabled, older fashion ( WM6.1 ) screen locker is active but as You said and I can confirm, it is poor working software and that is why I personaly for my usage, totally switched off and screen lock/unlock. I do not need it at all. You can enable sliders in registry by only one switch value.
All I really needed was some kind of screen locker when TG01 is active ( let's say navigation software is on ) and You want to put in to jacket pocket or to any bag.
Without any "touch" disabler it is very probable that You ( Your pocket or bag ) touch the screen. I created some piece of software ( assigned to camera button ) that locks the screen when I want and unlocks when I want.
Regards
Jacek
Hello does anyone still use TG01?
The Samsung battery will be fully charged from TG01?
Any idea haow to modify the back cover?
Thanks
dreamH6 said:
Hello does anyone still use TG01?
The Samsung battery will be fully charged from TG01?
Any idea haow to modify the back cover?
Thanks
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Yes, it will be charged fully by TG01 internal charging circuit as long as the electrical contact points line up correctly. I did not modify the back cover. Instead I bought a 2600mAh battery cover from Mugen, who makes 2 different battery kits for the TG01, 2600 and 3900 mAh. If you don't mind paying a high price for their batteries you can just order a kit. Here is the link to Mugen:
http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/toshiba/toshiba-tg01.html
Good luck and hope this helps!
Cheers &
CrashMurdock said:
Yes, it will be charged fully by TG01 internal charging circuit as long as the electrical contact points line up correctly. I did not modify the back cover. Instead I bought a 2600mAh battery cover from Mugen, who makes 2 different battery kits for the TG01, 2600 and 3900 mAh. If you don't mind paying a high price for their batteries you can just order a kit. Here is the link to Mugen:
http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/toshiba/toshiba-tg01.html
Good luck and hope this helps!
Cheers &
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I think they are no longer selling replacement cover.
I see only expensive kit battery + cover ($79,95), I paid the full TG01 less
I'll try to do my best on modifying original cover for an inexpensive samsung battery
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I think they are no longer selling replacement cover.
I see only expensive kit battery + cover ($79,95), I paid the full TG01 less
I'll try to do my best on modifying original cover for an inexpensive samsung battery
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I sent an email to them at: [email protected] and asked them to sell me just a replacement back cover. I lied and told them I bought the phone used and it already had the Mugen 2600 mAh battery and cover but that I had dropped the phone and damaged the cover. They sold me a new cover (with stylus) for $14.95 U.S. dollars, which included free international shipping. This was back in August 2011 so don't know if the price is the same now.
Their batteries are OK, but don't know why they charge 10x price for them. Since the TG01 is now a very old model they will probably be glad to sell to you just the back cover. They call it "backdoor".
I hope this helps. Good luck!
Can anyone of you, fit 2 owners, submit first impressions?
I am mostly interested in how notifications are working, are they seamless of the phone brand (same set of features no matter of phone being Samsung or not)...
Second thing is battery ofc, for instance, can it last 4 days (GPS free), with notifications turned on, normal usage?
I Like the device, own first generation, but use it with open fit app, and I am missing mostly notifications part as it was intended when using with great fit manager...
THANKS...
UPDATE: There's great thread on this device already, that if I knew existed, I'd hardly started this one, but the location of it is questionable, as I am not sure if gf2 was ever advertised as s7e accessory...
Hi.
See review from user Pilz, here at XDA:
[URL="http://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/accessories/review-gear-fit-2-t3396090/page5#post67341876[/URL]"
I have Samsung S6 Edge, smooth connection without problem, also with wireless Energy Sistem headphones. Battery life, 4 days only without using it By me it is between 2-3 days.
74Marek said:
Hi.
See review from user Pilz, here at XDA:
[URL="http://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/accessories/review-gear-fit-2-t3396090/page5#post67341876[/URL]"
I have Samsung S6 Edge, smooth connection without problem, also with wireless Energy Sistem headphones. Battery life, 4 days only without using it By me it is between 2-3 days.
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2-3 days is good result for 200 mA battery
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2-3 days is good result for 200 mA battery
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Not good, but satisfying By the way, charging is very comfortable with original charger. So, in technical, hardware side, I am satisfyied wit Gear Fit 2. Annoying is only buggy software.
Good, hopefully they implemented reply by template for both call and SMS notifications, find these options really useful...
But, 2 day battery is a deal breaker to me... We'll see...
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But, 2 day battery is a deal breaker to me... We'll see...
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After second charging i've got 18% (82% remains) for 15 hours of usage without training session.
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After second charging i've got 18% (82% remains) for 15 hours of usage without training session.
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Ok, report here when you get some constant results..
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Ok, report here when you get some constant results..
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BTW, first charging (not sure, was it fully charged?) lasts 2 full days. Used hardly - few trail "trainings" (~1hr each) with GPS, few workout session (~1hr each), played with settings, listened music, tryed some watchfaces.
2 days max, not with brighteness on 10
after 6, almost 7 days of 'testing' up till today
djurkash said:
Can anyone of you, fit 2 owners, submit first impressions?
I am mostly interested in how notifications are working, are they seamless of the phone brand (same set of features no matter of phone being Samsung or not)...
Second thing is battery ofc, for instance, can it last 4 days (GPS free), with notifications turned on, normal usage?
I Like the device, own first generation, but use it with open fit app, and I am missing mostly notifications part as it was intended when using with great fit manager...
THANKS...
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Here's my quick and dirty review so far. My prior devices: Fitbit, Polar Loop, Garmin Vivosmart, Garmin VSHR, Microsoft Band 2
Hardware: Very nice design. Well put together (doesn't feel cheap), screen is gorgeous. Band is comfortable and I don't even realize I'm wearing it. Waterproofing is nice. Has magnetic charging and charges at 1.32%/min. One con is that they don't include a loop on the band to lock it in place - I've had it pop off while brushing my wrist against things. Heart rate is accurate enough for RHR calculations. Had to buy a loop (18mm size) for $5.
Software: Beta-like. Buggy. Calories aren't calculated correctly. There are some decent apps (caffeine and water) and the one's there do have good UI/GFX. Notifications are easy to read and work bidirectional (an issue I had with the MS Band 2, where reading it on the phone didn't sync the read status on the band, annoying). Stair tracking is finicky and prone to inaccuracies.
Battery Life: I just logged a test of 91% usage over 68hrs. No GPS & wifi off. Display brightness at 5. Bluetooth on w/ notifications. 1hr worth of workout w/heart rate monitoring. Sleep tracked. That puts it at about an estimate 76hr total time if I don't use power-save mode. That's worlds better than the 50hrs I got with my Band2.
Verdict: It's a great piece of hardware. But buy it only if you feel they'll get the software bugs ironed out and not just abandonware it. I haven't used the original GearFit, so I don't know if they kept working on that.
What I Hope They Add in Software:
+ User voice or feedback submit option.
+ Invert Rotate-On, for wearing it inside the wrist.
+ Weightlifting/Interval workout option on band.
+ Ability to configure power-save mode to automatically turn on. Right now it asks permission at around 10%. Maybe even allow the user to select what it does (ie: grayscale, dim screen, etc.)
+ Automatic goal scaling
+ Inactivity meter (a few bands have this, it's a nice feature).
+ Ability to temporarily go full brightness on screen with extra tap or click. I have mine set to 5, would love to be able to just double-tap it to boost it for when in daylight. I don't believe it has a light sensor.
I'd recommend buying it with a protection plan. I got mine for $175+$30 at BB for 2years no questions replacement. Only reason I did it is because these bands are often made to the cheapest pricing and prone to failure. In fact, I traded my MS Band 2 straight across for this (also paid $175+$30 for that) because I had gone through 4 of those in 6 months.
JUst got mine this morning...Super Comfortable, Display is Awesome...Notifications work great with my V10... I am hoping more apps get developed this time around.
I picked it up a week ago (release day, the 10th), but just returned it. I never return things, and I hated returning this.
My experiences:
GREAT:
-Easily the most comfortable fitting device I've ever had on my wrist, and with no clip, it doesn't scrape desks and laptop palm wrests, or is even noticeable as a lump on the wrist (complete opposite of my experience with my wife's Microsoft Band 2).
-Screen is incredible, indoors, and not bad outside
-Swipe navigation is smooth and responsive
-The display wake gesture was pretty solid and responsive
-The charger is awesome. Pulls device into place via magnet perfectly and works the same regardless of direction, the display shows time and charge, right side up both ways. Mount is stable and low-centered to sit on desk firmly, without being oversized or heavy. Charges extremely fast
-GPS was dead on each day of my 42 mile daily bike commute, in comparison to my Wahoo ELEMNT cycling computer's GPS
MEH-ISH:
-The notifications were good, but limited details which required I go to the phone often to know what it was about. I understand it's a band and not a full blown smartwatch, so not really complaining
-There wasn't much you could do with it as far as apps, but it's new and I'm sure that will change soon.
-The auto-sleep detection didn't work well for me. If I watched TV before bed, it would count it as sleep, and if I got up in the middle of the night to pee and let the dogs out, it would end the sleep session, sometimes ignoring me going back to bed, other times counting them as separate sleeps. If I went into S Health to manually edit it, it was extremely buggy, wouldn't save, would lose the data, ect. I gave up trying. Since there was no manual sleep start/stop like you can with exercise, you have to go with the auto-detect.
BATTERY:
I ran mostly default settings as far as alerts/notifications 24/7 heart rate, ect. My 42 mile daily commute (~2 hrs) I would manually start the cycling mode with GPS and heart rate (ebike, video of my commute) lol and from that, after 24 hours, it would be down to around half battery. Each morning I would have a cup of coffee at my desk and charge it (<20 minutes). I'm the kind of person that needs habits or I forget. So, even if the device lasted 5 days, I would prefer to stick it on the charger at the same time every day to top it off as a routine. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if it lasted a week, or a month+, if I need to travel, but as long as it easily lasts a day, I can be good with that, considering the fast charging. The Microsoft band 2 takes 1hr+ from my experience.
NOPE:
-The stopper, for me, was the locked down data for exercise. Heart rate data couldn't be viewed in the 1 second format anywhere but in a very basic graph on the S Health app and on the device. It doesn't even carry to Google Fit. Even though there's Strava sharing, export options, ect, it ONLY allows GPS and time stamp data out. Even in developer mode of the phone and app, I could only see the 24 hour heart rate samples, and random samples during the activity, nothing even close to the 1 second data, though better than the Microsoft Band's 1 minute heart rate data. Since my S7 doesn't have root, I gave up trying to get at the data.
DISCOVERY:
-Having bought it from Best Buy, I exchanged it for the Vivoactive hr. HOWEVER, after exchanging it, I noticed a Samsung rep in the store so I went to him to say how much I loved the Gear Fit 2, but I HAD to have access to the data, so returned it. He said something like: "Very soon there's a Tizen update coming that will open that data up via an API for the major fitness platforms, including Strava, who is already set up to receive that data once we update".
-Well, crap, wish I had known that before. The Vivoactive hr display is HORRIBLE, I have the brightness cranked and a custom, bold, white watch face to help me try and see it in dim areas. In the sun it's fine, because it reflects the light to see the numbers, but in the dark it's extremely hard for me to see. Also, the notifications are more like annoyifications because they keep re-notifying even after being dismissed, randomly.
i saw a photo in hg notification. good enought for me
My thoughts so far
From a hardware perspective, I am a big fan. I find it to be very comfortable, the screen is gorgeous, and the whole thing is very responsive. I would like more battery - I am only getting a day out of mine so far, but that does involve about an hour of GPS from my bike commute along with an abnormal amount of use, as it is a new toy.
From a software perspective, it still needs work. I have not had it autodetect my workouts yet, and GPS occasionally fails to pick up a signal. Notifications in general are spotty. I will get most text messages on my wrist, but I can't get any alarm clock program to work. My main interface issue is that it is rather common for a swipe to be picked up as a press, especially if I start the swipe on the screen as opposed to off of the edge. I'm not enamored with any of the available watch faces, and I would like an always on mode.
Personally, I have no issues with S Health, but my fitness tracking was very fragmented beforehand. My previous tracker was a Basis Peak, which was locked into its own bubble anyway. So far, I am still doing double tracking of workouts with Endomondo, but once I am satisfied that the GPS will be more consistent (or that automatic tracking will work), I will drop that.
All in all, I am happy, but would like to see a few updates.
Can someone compare it vs. Fit1 (I mean owners of both devices), I.e. notifications, factory apps...
I'm still getting 2.5-3 days of battery life after cycling through it 2x now. I have 8% left after 70 hours of being on with GPS enabled; you can read my OP for more details on that, but I'm happy with it so far.
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I'm still getting 2.5-3 days of battery life after cycling through it 2x now. I have 8% left after 70 hours of being on with GPS enabled; you can read my OP for more details on that, but I'm happy with it so far.
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Really great and thorough test, I've added to the op of this thread, hope you don't mind...
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Really great and thorough test, I've added to the op of this thread, hope you don't mind...
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That's fine with me; I also reviewed the original Gear Fit (I'm surprised the OP is still on the second page) if your curious to see how much it has changed. I managed to eek out 4 days of battery with the original if I recall correctly. I turned on power saving mode earlier today (about 5 hours ago) and it has really helped my battery last this last stretch before it dies. I just hit 72 hours (3 days) of solid usage and I still have 7% left thanks to power saving mode for the past few hours. I think anyone can manage 2-3 days of use if they follow the way I used the device, or any alternative that allows you to use the Gear Fit 2 without limiting it.
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That's fine with me; I also reviewed the original Gear Fit (I'm surprised the OP is still on the second page) if your curious to see how much it has changed. I managed to eek out 4 days of battery with the original if I recall correctly. I turned on power saving mode earlier today (about 5 hours ago) and it has really helped my battery last this last stretch before it dies. I just hit 72 hours (3 days) of solid usage and I still have 7% left thanks to power saving mode for the past few hours. I think anyone can manage 2-3 days of use if they follow the way I used the device, or any alternative that allows you to use the Gear Fit 2 without limiting it.
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Yes, remember your review of gf1, now, as you've mentioned it..
I am using my third gf1 for 2 years now, tried some wear devices, sw3 was the closest to the level I wanted (although I am fan of Sony devices, damn, that thing was so ugly), fr230 was good from noon wear devices, but always coming back to gf1, and the simplicity and looks it had...
I will wait for few months to see how the development rolls out, and also whether will it be accessible in my country via official channels, but I am already pretty sure gf2 to be on my wrist eventually...
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Yes, remember your review of gf1, now, as you've mentioned it..
I am using my third gf1 for 2 years now, tried some wear devices, sw3 was the closest to the level I wanted (although I am fan of Sony devices, damn, that thing was so ugly), fr230 was good from noon wear devices, but always coming back to gf1, and the simplicity and looks it had...
I will wait for few months to see how the development rolls out, and also whether will it be accessible in my country via official channels, but I am already pretty sure gf2 to be on my wrist eventually...
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It is a huge improvement of the first generation GF even though I sold mine a while back. I read through my initial review of the GF, and wow has it changed! I tried a few Android Wear Watches. I'm enjoying the GF2 so far without any real issues which is a good sign. Let me know if you have any questions.
Hey everyone,
I've finally decided to actively look for ways to extend my battery life, kinda fed up of the poor SoT and overnight drain.
I know there are other ROMs I can try that will improve the battery life, as well as other tips like disabling ok Google, but I was thinking more on the hardware level.
Has anyone looked for/replaced the battery on their Mi 9? I found a battery on AliExpress claiming to have the same form factor as the OEM while boasting 4650mAh
I'm incredibly sceptical of this but nevertheless, there's a small part of me itching to get it hoping it will add significant life to the device.
Any thoughts or reviews?
All those batterys are fake
Fake capacity
If it was possible to make a battery with same size of the original battery but with higher capacity why all oems doesnt make this type of batteries ?
I see iphone 5s with 4500mah capacity in the same size
That's exactly what I thought as well, but I'm not very familiar with how batteries are made etc, so I'm not sure if another company that dedicates themselves to making just batteries, later figured how to make bigger capacity in the same size.
But I tend to lean more on your same line of thought, which is why I wanted to know if anyone here had some first hand experience with these kind of claims.
Is there any good replacement batteries with the same capacity as the original one?
Does the Mi 9 Pro battery fit?
eBay has 4700 mAh extended battery cases for 29.99
Replacement of 4000mah battery for my mi9
I replaced of 4000mah battery for my mi9 recently and I'm satisfied with its performance.
-active drain ~ 12.1%
-static drain ~ 0.4%
Most of my activity is using LTE network to look at news.
The brand name of 4000mah battery is MARWAY.
Kris
Kris Chen said:
I replaced of 4000mah battery for my mi9 recently and I'm satisfied with its performance.
-active drain ~ 12.1%
-static drain ~ 0.4%
Most of my activity is using LTE network to look at news.
The brand name of 4000mah battery is MARWAY.
Kris
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It actually fits? Where did you get it?
Where did you buy it and can you give some me details of the battery? I'm really searching for a 4000mah battery for Europe (Germany) but i only saw fakes.
Yes and it does !
I get it from taiwan shopee ~ (https://shopee.tw/product/44600106/4819487274)
Kris
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It actually fits? Where did you get it?
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Kris Chen said:
I replaced of 4000mah battery for my mi9 recently and I'm satisfied with its performance.
-active drain ~ 12.1%
-static drain ~ 0.4%
Most of my activity is using LTE network to look at news.
The brand name of 4000mah battery is MARWAY.
Kris
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Are they sending to Europe ?
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Are they sending to Europe ?
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hi everyone, has anyone managed to find a replacement battery or a way to improve it?
Anyone know of any US sources for a replacement battery? I'm kind of in a pickle here. My case developed a crack in it several months ago. It was just a minor cosmetic thing so it hadn't bugged me too much. Lately every time I grab my phone I hear it creaking so I decided to look for an exact replacement case. The original store I bought mine from is listed as out of stock and searching for the part number elsewhere came up with 3 stores, all out of stock. Doing searches on ebay/amazon/ailibabba didn't come up with anything. I decided to just go ahead and get my phone out of this case and stick it into the stock TPU case. Anyway, I pop open the metal frame and the glass back literally flies off. I'm shocked to see the back of my phone now 90% popped outward. Looking from the side it's becuase the battery is one giant swollen blob! Everything is working fine, I had zero clue there was anything wrong until I tried taking it out of my case now I'm kind of on a desperate hunt for a replacement battery. I don't even know how I'm going to hold my phone together beyond attempting to cram it back into my metal/glassback case.
Edit: I ended up getting a replacement battery from iFixIt and using their replacement guide. Note, their guide is for the non-transparent edition. For the transparent edition, they use P2 pentalobe(0.8mm star) screws rather than phillips #00.
after EDL and its story everything is ok except there is no fast charging available and the phone charged normaly.
the original adaptor also rattles something in it maybe it is normal. MIUI 12 12.0.2
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Anyone know of any US sources for a replacement battery? I'm kind of in a pickle here. My case developed a crack in it several months ago. It was just a minor cosmetic thing so it hadn't bugged me too much. Lately every time I grab my phone I hear it creaking so I decided to look for an exact replacement case. The original store I bought mine from is listed as out of stock and searching for the part number elsewhere came up with 3 stores, all out of stock. Doing searches on ebay/amazon/ailibabba didn't come up with anything. I decided to just go ahead and get my phone out of this case and stick it into the stock TPU case. Anyway, I pop open the metal frame and the glass back literally flies off. I'm shocked to see the back of my phone now 90% popped outward. Looking from the side it's becuase the battery is one giant swollen blob! Everything is working fine, I had zero clue there was anything wrong until I tried taking it out of my case now I'm kind of on a desperate hunt for a replacement battery. I don't even know how I'm going to hold my phone together beyond attempting to cram it back into my metal/glassback case.
Edit: I ended up getting a replacement battery from iFixIt and using their replacement guide. Note, their guide is for the non-transparent edition. For the transparent edition, they use P2 pentalobe(0.8mm star) screws rather than phillips #00.
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I just ordered a replacement battery from ifixit as well. How is the battery? Are you noticing a difference from the stock battery?
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I just ordered a replacement battery from ifixit as well. How is the battery? Are you noticing a difference from the stock battery?
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Unfortunately it's way too soon for me to tell. I'm not sure I did battery calibration correctly because I replaced the battery last Wednesday, slow charged it to 100% on my slowest charger and let it continue on the slow charger for 2 hours, then unplugged it and continued to use it until it was so drained it couldn't turn on again(which to my surprise wasn't until Sunday evening). Then plugged in to that same slow charger without turning on the phone overnight. So I'm only a little over 2 days with the new battery. My SoT doesn't seem to be as good(my battery was at 65% this morning when I'm used to seeing low 70s-80s), but I might need to look back up how to do the battery calibration.
One note though, for some reason I had some difficulty getting the loud speaker realigned correctly. The connecting pins just didn't want to sit right. It took me three times taking it back apart until it worked properly. Might just be my phone but I'd be real careful with the alignment and do the whole "tightening a car tire" style turn each screw a little bit to make sure it seats flat. Again, it might just be a mfg defect with my particular phone as I didn't see anything online with anyone else having a similar problem.
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Unfortunately it's way too soon for me to tell. I'm not sure I did battery calibration correctly because I replaced the battery last Wednesday, slow charged it to 100% on my slowest charger and let it continue on the slow charger for 2 hours, then unplugged it and continued to use it until it was so drained it couldn't turn on again(which to my surprise wasn't until Sunday evening). Then plugged in to that same slow charger without turning on the phone overnight. So I'm only a little over 2 days with the new battery. My SoT doesn't seem to be as good(my battery was at 65% this morning when I'm used to seeing low 70s-80s), but I might need to look back up how to do the battery calibration.
One note though, for some reason I had some difficulty getting the loud speaker realigned correctly. The connecting pins just didn't want to sit right. It took me three times taking it back apart until it worked properly. Might just be my phone but I'd be real careful with the alignment and do the whole "tightening a car tire" style turn each screw a little bit to make sure it seats flat. Again, it might just be a mfg defect with my particular phone as I didn't see anything online with anyone else having a similar problem.
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Any update on the new battery? I got mine in, but debating if it will be worth it to change it or not. I appreciate the tips on replacing it.
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Any update on the new battery? I got mine in, but debating if it will be worth it to change it or not. I appreciate the tips on replacing it.
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If you are asking if I'm having a longer SoT, no. I'm not. I'm also using xiaomi.eu weekly which means I'm very used to inconsistent SoT as each week things change.
I have a transparent edition, which means rather than the phillips #00 screws you see in replacement guides I had 0.8mm star screws(P2 pentalobe).
The issue with my previous battery was it had ballooned to more than three times it's regular thickness which caused my back cover to pop off. So I don't have any advice on how to get the back off as mine had already fallen off. The funny bit is that I didn't replace the tape because I wanted to wait a few days to make sure everything was okay. My case ended up pressing the back cover tightly enough against the back that it ended up regluing itself when I took it out of the case to start retaping.
I had several issues with reassembly. My giant hands took quite awhile to get the antenna wire back on and since the replacement battery cable is a little longer than the original it took some wiggling until I was able to get the plug to be lined up to lock in. After I put it back together I tested everything and discovered the loudspeaker wasn't working. You need to screw it down like you are putting a tire on a car. Don't tighten each screw individually but go around to each one so when it's going down it's going down flat so the connection is straight(similar issue to the battery cable, if it's not exactly parallel, it doesn't connect).
I ended up doing a battery replacement. I got an original (at least it sure looks like it) and a new back cover to replace my scratched one. The install was easy, and I'm actually getting better life than the old one. Not dramatically better, but still a slight improvement.
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I ended up doing a battery replacement. I got an original (at least it sure looks like it) and a new back cover to replace my scratched one. The install was easy, and I'm actually getting better life than the old one. Not dramatically better, but still a slight improvement.
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Do you mind giving the link for both?