I'm thinking of buying note 9 pro global (joyeuse), but I've been hearing it has some problems. I don't have problem with software bugs, but some people said it uses Tianma panel which has bleeding and image retention problem.
If it is a gardware bug, it'll cause problems. Can anyone guide.
Thank you
Faheemarif252 said:
I'm thinking of buying note 9 pro global (joyeuse), but I've been hearing it has some problems. I don't have problem with software bugs, but some people said it uses Tianma panel which has bleeding and image retention problem.
If it is a gardware bug, it'll cause problems. Can anyone guide.
Thank you
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yes its a serious hardware fault, tianma panels have burn in issues + there is a WIFI related hardware issue as well, I made the mistake and bought the phone thinking these won't affect me and now I have to put up with a phone which loses wifi everytime it goes to sleep. SKIP THIS PHONE IF YOU CAN.
dork997 said:
yes its a serious hardware fault, tianma panels have burn in issues + there is a WIFI related hardware issue as well, I made the mistake and bought the phone thinking these won't affect me and now I have to put up with a phone which loses wifi everytime it goes to sleep. SKIP THIS PHONE IF YOU CAN.
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Mine doesn't have that issue. Did you try test with a different router? I have no screen issues other than slight bleed from the hole punch which is barely noticeable unless you look from a side angle on white background. I love this phone and have no complaints.
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yes its a serious hardware fault, tianma panels have burn in issues + there is a WIFI related hardware issue as well, I made the mistake and bought the phone thinking these won't affect me and now I have to put up with a phone which loses wifi everytime it goes to sleep. SKIP THIS PHONE IF YOU CAN.
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What is a better alternative? My current phone is no longer usable and i have to buy a phone in this price segment.
Trancemania said:
Mine doesn't have that issue. Did you try test with a different router? I have no screen issues other than slight bleed from the hole punch which is barely noticeable unless you look from a side angle. I love this phone and have no complaints.
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Do you have the tianma panel or the hauxing one?
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Do you have the tianma panel or the hauxing one?
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Where can I see that?
EDIT: Found it it's huaxing
Mine is a huaxing too, and I have no problems with it.
Also my WiFi is working normally with my router, but have read many comments complaining about the WiFi bug, most of them seems to use a router from Fritz.
Trancemania said:
Mine doesn't have that issue. Did you try test with a different router? I have no screen issues other than slight bleed from the hole punch which is barely noticeable unless you look from a side angle on white background. I love this phone and have no complaints.
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I don't know which version you have but all Global note 9s and indian note 9 pros have the wifi issue, numerous threads @ Mi community and even on xda there is a thread with many pages. About the screen issue just google "Xiaomi note 9s screen burn in" you will see many videos about this.
Most people who are saying they don't have the problem may not be checking their router logs, because the issue is hard to notice on 11.0.8 and above firmwares, the phone disconnects from the wifi but reconnects automatically after a few seconds so the end user does not know whats going on ..... unless he checks the router logs or uses whatsapp web with this phone, whatsapp web will actually disconnect from the phone after its wifi 'disconnects' during standby...it may take 10 minutes or 40 or an hour but it happens its a well documented issue even the Mi community Moderator for 9S confirmed this as a "documented wide spread problem" but has not been able to give a confirmation if/when it will be resolved his last response mentioned waiting for MIUI12.
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I don't know which version you have but all Global note 9s and indian note 9 pros have the wifi issue, numerous threads @ Mi community and even on xda there is a thread with many pages. About the screen issue just google "Xiaomi note 9s screen burn in" you will see many videos about this.
Most people who are saying they don't have the problem may not be checking their router logs, because the issue is hard to notice on 11.0.8 and above firmwares, the phone disconnects from the wifi but reconnects automatically after a few seconds so the end user does not know whats going on ..... unless he checks the router logs or uses whatsapp web with this phone, whatsapp web will actually disconnect from the phone after its wifi 'disconnects' during standby...it may take 10 minutes or 40 or an hour but it happens its a well documented issue even the Mi community Moderator for 9S confirmed this as a "documented wide spread problem" but has not been able to give a confirmation if/when it will be resolved his last response mentioned waiting for MIUI12.
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I have the EU version. Look I had similar issue with my previous Note 5 and Note 8 but it was fixed by not using that router. I plugged a cheap router in my main router as access point and never had the issue again. I'm 99% sure it's some routers that don't work well with Redmi phones. And as India had millions of people a lot of them will be using the same routers. That is why I asked if you tested on a different type of router so we can confirm
Faheemarif252 said:
I'm thinking of buying note 9 pro global (joyeuse), but I've been hearing it has some problems. I don't have problem with software bugs, but some people said it uses Tianma panel which has bleeding and image retention problem.
If it is a gardware bug, it'll cause problems. Can anyone guide.
Thank you
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is this affecting simple note 9 to?
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Trancemania said:
Where can I see that?
EDIT: Found it it's huaxing
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and do u u have this screen persistance on your panel?
FYI: Tested my joyeuse, manfucatured Aug 2020, with a Tianma display. Using a checkered pattern, full brightness, for up to 20 min. or so. No ghosting/image retnetion whatsoever.
I bought a note 9s with tianma panel with no lightbleed at the edges. There is also no lightbleed at the selfie camera cutout but on a white background I notice a slight area of reduced brightness (not grey but a little bit not as white as the general panel color) at the bottom part of the cutout. It is very small and curves with the cutout shape and I also have to look from an angle to notice it.
If I'm to nitpick, if i put on a white background and set brightness really high, i can notice some areas of slightly less brightness at the left and right bottom extremes extending about 0.2mm from the curved part. These are so far from anything that no app has any content there so it doesn't bother me. I also have to look at it from an offset angle (about 100°). Who uses their phone looking at it from this extreme angle? Like i said, the display issue is nitpicking.
I can't say anything about wifi because I'm mostly on 4G. That's a worse issue than the screen but apparently it could also be eliminated by changing wifi routers.
I bought mine (6+128 GB) for $200 and compared to other phone brands, this is a lot of phone for $200 so I'd recommend it to anyone and everyone. This os my first Xiaomi phone and I'm already a fan.
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I use Redmi Note 9s 6/128 vatiant and it does have screen burn. Whenever i play cod for a couple hours some of the buttons still appear and will appear for a few hours. I also read alot of Manga and the edges of the screen would turn yellowish/orangey on gray shades. Still not fixed and been suffering for months already. It's less visible on white screen but very apparent on gray ones
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So after month of owning this phone (SD version), yesterday I noticed that there was green pixel on dark backround. After a while of looking at black picture with max brightness, I noticed several small red-blue-green dots all over the screen, which weren't visible on other backrounds. I have already sent it to repair centre (free screen replacement). I just wanted to ask, is it frequent problem with RN3 or I was just unlucky? Is there any side effects of replacing the screen?
I'm using this device for about 6 months now and i haven't seen even one dead pixel in my phone till now, but I haven't noticed even one dead pixel on the screen till now...
So, I guess you were unlucky and your device had this problem...
ayush321 said:
I'm using this device for about 6 months now and i haven't seen even one dead pixel in my phone till now, but I haven't noticed even one dead pixel on the screen till now...
So, I guess you were unlucky and your device had this problem...
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Can you check it on dark room, with dark backround and 100% brightness? Just want to make sure Also, I think I was unlucky too, I hope replacement screen is better.
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Can you check it on dark room, with dark backround and 100% brightness? Just want to make sure Also, I think I was unlucky too, I hope replacement screen is better.
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I have rn3 sd version.
and I noticed 3-4 dead pixels on the screen
it cannot be seen on regular usage. hardly can be noticed when lcd test (dark screen full brightness)
I think many rn3 phones have same problem. many users just have not noticed yet.
it's common and expected, for the price you won't get the best panel, i also have 2 stuck pixels, one green and one red
Yeah I got one too and maybe 2-3 more...but not visible in normal usage.
Happened after like 5-6 months.
hmm, it seems that many are having stuck pixels, mine just had too many and it's free screen replacement anyway, so Thanks for replies guys.
I bought it from china so hope it works well long enough...its not an option to send it back
Denis:) said:
I bought it from china so hope it works well long enough...its not an option to send it back
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Yeah, I also wanted to order one from china, but our local store imports them from china, with 3 year warranty and free repair for factory defects
i got a dead pixel too just today , talk about bad luck
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i got a weird horizontal line at the botton of my screen, it went after a reboot, some people says its a kernel issue. is that really the case? first time i ever am getting that, i am on lineageos 14.1 with radon 4.0
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i got a dead pixel too just today , talk about bad luck
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i got a weird horizontal line at the botton of my screen, it went after a reboot, some people says its a kernel issue. is that really the case? first time i ever am getting that, i am on lineageos 14.1 with radon 4.0
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can't say, haven't tried custom roms yet. Flash stock rom to be sure it's not software related
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Can you check it on dark room, with dark backround and 100% brightness? Just want to make sure Also, I think I was unlucky too, I hope replacement screen is better.
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I couldn't spot any dead pixel on my phone....
I guess I'm the lucky one then:fingers-crossed:
Some of my friends have the same device and they also don't have any dead pixels...
Well, see if your replacement panel also have the same issue...
Edit: I don't think that's a kernel bug as many users including me are on Radon and none of them reported this issue...
I have a unusual red fingerprint that barely visible on the bottom part of my screen.
You can only see it on still black screens and you will have to look carefully to see it.
It is a comment problem to LCD screen my all phones have dead pixel except Redmi note 3
ayush321 said:
I couldn't spot any dead pixel on my phone....
I guess I'm the lucky one then:fingers-crossed:
Some of my friends have the same device and they also don't have any dead pixels...
Well, see if your replacement panel also have the same issue...
Edit: I don't think that's a kernel bug as many users including me are on Radon and none of them reported this issue...
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure thats not kernel related (I haven't flashed any custom kernels anyway). I hope replacement screen will be good.
I had a orizontal green line at bottom only on miui.
On aosp doesnt exist.
My phone has several blue and green patch, when I purchased never noticed it till 1 month. After that I got screen replacement when I visited service center, Now my phone creeks.. If grabbed hard its back panel creeks.
I don't blame, Its a cheap company and cheap phone. But performance is good.
herecomesmaggi said:
My phone has several blue and green patch, when I purchased never noticed it till 1 month. After that I got screen replacement when I visited service center, Now my phone creeks.. If grabbed hard its back panel creeks.
I don't blame, Its a cheap company and cheap phone. But performance is good.
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Creaking is actually common on RN3. Althought mine didn't (well, I was using a silicon case) and I don't think screen replacement did that, unless service center did a bad job at it.
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Creaking is actually common on RN3. Althought mine didn't (well, I was using a silicon case) and I don't think screen replacement did that, unless service center did a bad job at it.
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Actually back panel is rubber glued. (The speaker and upper panel) I think when they open up phone, for screen, they removed rubber glue, so now it creeks against plastic..
Hi there. I own a redmi note 4 and I've been using it for a month now. Last week I noticed some odd icons on a plain grey wallpaper and realised that the display has an image retention problem. I could notice Facebook icons as well as whatsapp ones that I had used just a minute before. Any app I use immediately leaves a residue in the background, even at low brightness. I immediately went to the nearest MI service centre and replaced the LCD panel under warranty but after getting home and taking a closer look, I realised the problem still persists. Any help regarding this would be highly appreciated.
There is no fix. Generally the retention goes away after a few minutes-hours.
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There is no fix. Generally the retention goes away after a few minutes-hours.
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Yes, it does go away after a while, but is this normal across all redmi note 4 devices/ devices with IPS LCD display? One of my friends has the same device and he hasn't noticed anything like this so far..
Anjanesh V said:
Yes, it does go away after a while, but is this normal across all redmi note 4 devices/ devices with IPS LCD display? One of my friends has the same device and he hasn't noticed anything like this so far..
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I had it on my mtk redmi note 4. Now im using snapdragon rn4 havent noticed it tough but i dont stick to one app for a long time though
I found fix run this app for 30-1hr then cooldown your phone
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blasterbyte.burn_infix
And use this app to prevent screen burn
Bluelight filter - search on playstore
See mine after i run this app my burn is gone
is the solution permanent? does the problem happen again?
Found Fix
I found the solution.. Just flash havoc rom will fk kernal.. Use smart pixel feature. Set the smart pixel setting to 25 percentage... And in display setting go to colour and set all the value to 95 percentage.. Done ??
So recently my phone has ghost images, leftovers from other apps on the screen. (eg. The top bar showing up ghostly when it shouldn't, controls of a game showing up on home screen after closing the game in a ghostly effect) It is not a software problem. I know it goes away on its own after some time, but it's very annoying and its freaking me out. Anyone else got this problem? How do I fix/prevent it
i got it to.not know hot to fix it
Very disappointed from xperia screen
I have also the same problem and it looks like a hardware issue. It's very noticeable when you increase the screen brightness. Notification bar icons/time appear all time against any dark background. Very annoying, even cheap phones don't have that problem.
Example I found online -> lnv.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/79782iF19656F933D1C741
leocosmos said:
I have also the same problem and it looks like a hardware issue. It's very noticeable when you increase the screen brightness. Notification bar icons/time appear all time against any dark background. Very annoying, even cheap phones don't have that problem.
Example I found online -> lnv.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/79782iF19656F933D1C741
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I read that certain types of screen cause it, and it cannot be fixed except wait, which sucks, but I can't say for sure
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I took these photos from my phone to show you how the screen retention problem looks like in Sony Xperia X.
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leocosmos said:
I took these photos from my phone to show you how the screen retention problem looks like in Sony Xperia X.
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Yes, thats exactly my problem. I noticed that it gets worse if the device is overheating
Sorry for the bump, but is any else having the same issue?
Mine seems to be getting worse and worse over time, to a point that it can literally retain half way up the display.
I use to have the same issue with my iPad Mini Retina until I took it in for a replacement and it hasn't happened since (2 years ago).
Any experiences with Sony replacing the display under warranty?
Thanks,
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Sorry for the bump, but is any else having the same issue?
Mine seems to be getting worse and worse over time, to a point that it can literally retain half way up the display.
I use to have the same issue with my iPad Mini Retina until I took it in for a replacement and it hasn't happened since (2 years ago).
Any experiences with Sony replacing the display under warranty?
Thanks,
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Not really. After buying the phone, I used it for two months without having this problem, then rooted, so no warranty
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Not really. After buying the phone, I used it for two months without having this problem, then rooted, so no warranty
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It started creeping in after 3 months for me.
Oh and it seems like that I have full screen retention now....
MrAndroid12 said:
It started creeping in after 3 months for me.
Oh and it seems like that I have full screen retention now....
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Wow, yours got on the next level. Mine isnt so bad. Actually , I rarely have the problem lately. Do you run poison 7.1? That particurar ROM I was using was problematic, causing the phone to overheat and the lcd problem was present all the time
Mine is completely stock and unrooted.
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running completely stock & unrooted. Mine has this problem too. However, the image disappear after 10-20 minutes :|
I had this problem on my unit as well. Tried to adjust the white balance and it seems the issue was barely noticeable on the status and navigation bars.
The good thing is that screen retention falls under manufacturing defect and you will get a new screen.
Mine got replaced with a brand, spanking new one, but the issue has started to creep in just a little bit after a few months, but its very faint.
Hi guys,
I have a Redmi Note 4 Snapdragon with a screen replaced recently. The problem is the screen only works after the phone is booted, if I let the screen turn off, it can't be waken up again. There's still backlight, vibration and all and I still hear sound. Which means the touch does work, only the screen doesn't display anything, just black. What can be the cause of this? Thanks everyone!
I have exactly the same problem on a Redmi Note 2. And this problem is not so rare because i found a few posts with same symptoms but i cannot find a fix. If you please find, please let me know.
Can I ask you something cause I'm a technician and I face similar problem not exactly the same. Were your screens bought with frame already glued and you face that issue? Usually such issues occur when they is no duct tape (sorry for my English) at the lcd flex cable where it folds under the frame or where the backlight circuit (I don't know the correct explanation in English I hope you understand). So I needed at my phone to replace the frame as well that's why I bought a lcd with frame (that of course was terribly glued). My issue is blacklight flickering when it wakes from sleep and if I push the edges it's ok. I have replaced a lot of note 3 LCDs without frame and I know that in all of them I had to put duct tape to make them work properly and without issues, I had only one for note 3 pro SE that was properly made. So I believe both your issues as well as mine have to do with that. If you have the broken ones, take apart the new and check side by side the flex cables and if you find exposed connections compared to the original just put duct tape.
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earthscaper said:
Hi guys,
I have a Redmi Note 4 Snapdragon with a screen replaced recently. The problem is the screen only works after the phone is booted, if I let the screen turn off, it can't be waken up again. There's still backlight, vibration and all and I still hear sound. Which means the touch does work, only the screen doesn't display anything, just black. What can be the cause of this? Thanks everyone!
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Perhaps you might want to enlighten us as to which ROM are you using, and who is the manufacturer of the lcd display?
DarthJabba9 said:
Perhaps you might want to enlighten us as to which ROM are you using, and who is the manufacturer of the lcd display?
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Hi, I'm using the Ressurection Remix ROM on Android 7.1.2, planning to update to Oreo soon with the Pixel Experience ROM. And the LCD manufacturer is Tralfagar.
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Hi, I'm using the Ressurection Remix ROM on Android 7.1.2, planning to update to Oreo soon with the Pixel Experience ROM. And the LCD manufacturer is Tralfagar.
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Well, I don't know about Trafalgar - but if the new display is has an ebbg chipset, then you may have problems. There have been issues with ebbg displays and TWRP (when using custom ROMs - see for example https://forum.xda-developers.com/re...redmi-note-t3716706/post74815338#post74815338). Does everything work properly when you reboot to TWRP recovery? If not, then this may be the problem - and you may need to change your ROM to the latest MIUI releases.
I am facing same problem
I have redmi note5/5+, using custom rom (ion), I am facing same problem, changed lcd two time, tried with other roms, but nothing improved, did you find any solution.
I guess with it moving more frequently less problem with burn ins right?
DemonSoul said:
I guess with it moving more frequently less problem with burn ins right?
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wrong. AOD is not new. Samsung knows how often it should move.
maik005 said:
wrong. AOD is not new. Samsung knows how often it should move.
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Ho sorry then, its literally my 1st phone with AOD so i don't know what is bad or good for the screen im just scared to get burn in on my screen
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Ho sorry then, its literally my 1st phone with AOD so i don't know what is bad or good for the screen im just scared to get burn in on my screen
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havent seen anyone with burn in from AOD
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havent seen anyone with burn in from AOD
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=76083718&postcount=5
room511 said:
My AOD burned the number 2 into my screen. It was quite evident. Brought it to T-mobile and they confirmed it was definitely burn in.
Luckily I was within my 14 day protection. Had it replaced with no charge.
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this is the thread. literally 4 threads beneath this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s9-plus/how-to/steps-taking-to-prevent-screen-burn-t3771575 Might be something to keep an eye on...
AOD caused burn in on my device.
T-mobile confirmed it. Was able to get a replacement at no charge.
AOD brightness was set to second lowest brightness.
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room511 said:
AOD caused burn in on my device.
T-mobile confirmed it. Was able to get a replacement at no charge.
AOD brightness was set to second lowest brightness.
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But that must habe been a defective unit when it burned in that quick!
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wrong. AOD is not new. Samsung knows how often it should move.
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This.
Many tens of millions of Galaxy S7, S8 and S9 devices have been sold....a couple of threads posted on XDA with AOD burn in issues doesn't mean anything.
There really isn't an issue with burn in caused by AOD. There's no burn in issue at all.
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This.
Many tens of millions of Galaxy S7, S8 and S9 devices have been sold....a couple of threads posted on XDA with AOD burn in issues doesn't mean anything.
There really isn't an issue with burn in caused by AOD. There's no burn in issue at all.
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It was an issue for me. [emoji3]
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It was an issue for me. [emoji3]
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're the exception to that rule. And having a one off or even two compared to the tens of million devices that are sold with zero burn in issues, should not be of a warning to any potential customers. The possibility of it happening is there but not anywhere close to a problem as it's being made out to be..
It's like the whole note 7 BS.. If you ask any random person about what they know happened with note 7s and they will tell you that majority of note 7s were blowing up and Samsung was forced to recall.. When in reality there was something like a total of 7 devices that actually had a legitimate issue caused by batteries and they voluntarily recalled all phones to avoid the very issue that they ended up in, which is people having a jaded view with their phones and thinking it will blow up..
The AOD burn in issue was really addressed a couple generations back when they started becoming standard where they would start having the AOD move around slightly, and ive noticed my s7e jumps all over the place now.. Also they pushed out updates so that the AOD was alot dimmer in most situations and even eliminated the brightness adjustment to the AOD on my s7e. After all of that, Samsungs put alot time to mitigate the burn in issues with not just the AOD but other situations with their screens.
And let's be honest with each other, having a 1 in a million case of screen burn in is hardly anything to even think about..
I totally agree with you mate.
I truly believe that my device was defective and is definitely not the norm.
It's just something people should be aware of that's all.
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I also am worried about it to an extent, but more in the sense that I hope I dont have a defective unit, since there are safeguards put their by Samsung and really all OEMs using OLEDs, at least at this time, now they do.. Google had to up their software game to fix the pixel 2xl burn in issues, which after the pushed those updates, it seemed to mitigate the majority of issues..
And no matter what, OLEDs are susceptible to this issue and leaving the image on the screen, or even ones that are causing the same individual LEDs to stay on at all times, I think can be a guarantee to obtain screen burn in. But it's almost like the situations have to be just right to cause burn in, like max brightness, still images for extended periods and possibly even a software bug that's causing the provided safeguards to fail..
I can certainly see YouTube to cause burn in, among other apps as well, especially if you watch continuous hours of YouTube with that white background glaring.. Oh great, now I'm going to be stuck in the landscape life making sure I don't get burn in while watching vids.
6 months and I had properly burnt my S7e screen (satnav in car). A OLED screens burn, it's a fact of life.
My original T-Mobile S9+ had burn in 4 days in. Must have had a bad batch.
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Pottsy said:
6 months and I had properly burnt my S7e screen (satnav in car). A OLED screens burn, it's a fact of life.
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So some elements that stays the same for hours and max outdoor screen brightness...
Sorry but it is still AMOLED. I don't think that any AMOLED will survive that without marks...
why no one answey that simple question?
Anyway of forcing AOD to move more frequently?
Still waiting for a direct and clear answer...