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So I hear you all have the Flyer in the UK now.
I think most everyone agrees that making the pen work only with specific apps was an unfortunate design decision. My thinking is it would be ideal for typing with in the HTC Tracing keyboard. Imagine something Swype-like, but with a stylus, and I think you'd have some incredibly fast note-taking.
Any thoughts on hacking the Sense keyboard to work with the pen? Once my Flyer arrives, that'll be what I'll start on, at least to see if it's possible.
Whilst this is not something I would personally use, I am definitely using the Trace keyboard, works well, at least in portrait. In landscape, it is just too much finger travel!
I can see this being a popular hack anyway, and being able to interact with the UI using the pen would be useful in general.
Maybe it's just me, but the inking in the tutorial window is very smooth and the te,t is nearly perfect and readBle. In the Notes app it is much rougher, jagged, and hard to read. Anyone else experience this?
dstrauss said:
Maybe it's just me, but the inking in the tutorial window is very smooth and the te,t is nearly perfect and readBle. In the Notes app it is much rougher, jagged, and hard to read. Anyone else experience this?
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Same comment, but for the resolution of the scribble compared to the Notes app. The second smallest calligraphy pen on black in the Notes app has some really bad fringe near the edges. These (among other reasons) is why I'm unhappy with HTC's work in designing the pen integration.
Also: try the free Quill app, which renders the pen's stroke using vector graphics so the resolution is scale independent.
TSGM said:
Same comment, ...Also: try the free Quill app, which renders the pen's stroke using vector graphics so the resolution is scale independent.
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I just tried Quill and the ink quality is much better. Sharing notes is not as transparent, but its the quality of the inking that makes this superior.
Quill is also great because it does what no other pen app does, and all should - it can ignore hand input, so you can rest your hand comfortably on the tablet surface - which makes it tons more effective than the native app, which keeps sliding out the on-screen keyboard whenever you touch the screen with your skin.
mr_pio said:
Quill is also great because it does what no other pen app does, and all should - it can ignore hand input, so you can rest your hand comfortably on the tablet surface - which makes it tons more effective than the native app, which keeps sliding out the on-screen keyboard whenever you touch the screen with your skin.
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Indeed.
To me, it's absolutely ridiculous that these issues were not considered by HTC.
mr_pio said:
Quill is also great because it does what no other pen app does, and all should - it can ignore hand input, so you can rest your hand comfortably on the tablet surface - which makes it tons more effective than the native app, which keeps sliding out the on-screen keyboard whenever you touch the screen with your skin.
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Actually, it's a function of many active-stylus systems that any touchscreen interactions are turned off when the pen is in close proximity to the screen. The Flyer works in the same way. The awkward bit is that you have to put the stylus close to the screen FIRST, which is unnatural for most people and is probably the source of almost universal confusion about these systems. You can verify the pen turns off the touchscreen by hovering your pen (it doesn't need to actually touch) something less than 1/4" over the screen, and you'll notice you can't do anything with your finger. Lift your pen a little higher and touch turns back on. Palm rejection is really only necessary if you don't have an active stylus system, or perhaps to allay the issue of most people putting their palms on their screens first before the pen has a chance to turn off touch.
bluebear13 said:
...Palm rejection is really only necessary if you don't have an active stylus system, or perhaps to allay the issue of most people putting their palms on their screens first before the pen has a chance to turn off touch.
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I've been using active digitizers for years, and frankly I like having touch turned off while writing. On my HTC, the screen is so sensitive I get a keyboard every time unless using Quill.
dstrauss said:
I've been using active digitizers for years, and frankly I like having touch turned off while writing. On my HTC, the screen is so sensitive I get a keyboard every time unless using Quill.
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That's what bluebear's post was saying. When the pen is near the screen, touch is deactivated.
HTC could improve on this by allowing the user to adjust the time the screen returns to recognizing touch. Since I print, an increased delay would keep the keyboard from popping up. My current workaround is to touch the spiral bound portion of the screen which doesn't activate the keyboard.
I'm in possession of a Champagne Gold Prime that is essentially perfect except for haptic feedback, which works only intermittently. Most of the time (perhaps if the duration of the effect is too short) it just makes a static-y noise (sounds a bit like a duck with a sore throat), and when it does vibrate (when starting up or shutting down, when selecting an image in the Gallery, etc.) it's quite loud.
I also have an Amethyst Gray unit that has some light bleed and a rattle near one of the dock connectors (and will be going back to Best Buy this week). The haptic feedback on this one works, but is so weak as to almost be useless. It's also a bit noisy as well.
My question is: does anyone have haptic feedback that is NOT noisy (and really it's pretty obvious what I'm talking about--not the normal vibration sound but a sort of static-y noise that sounds like something grinding in the mechanism) and yet is strong enough to actually be useful? That is, it consistently provides enough vibration that it enhances the experience?
My wife's Galaxy Tab 10.1 has such haptic feedback--it's quiet, and strong enough to help confirm that key presses have registered, etc. I'm not saying haptic feedback is all that important, it's just I don't know that I want to accept a clearly defective unit.
My thing is: if haptic feedback on the Prime is generally very weak, then I won't bother returning the Champagne unit. If it's possible to get a unit with working and useful haptic feedback, then I'll keep looking for the perfect Prime.
Everyone has poor haptic feedback on the prime. Some are content with it and dont notice, some could care less but on mine it sounds like a duck whenever I use the onscreen keyboard.
Im sure others will try to tell you otherwise but trust me, they are all the same. Loud and awkward sounding.
jzen said:
Everyone has poor haptic feedback on the prime. Some are content with it and dont notice, some could care less but on mine it sounds like a duck whenever I use the onscreen keyboard.
Im sure others will try to tell you otherwise but trust me, they are all the same. Loud and awkward sounding.
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Okay, can someone OTHER than @jzen respond? This particular user seems hell-bent on commenting negatively in every new thread... And if your haptic feedback does work well, then please don't let @jzen's insistence that NOBODY has good haptic feedback stop you from posting your experience. I'm simply not convinced that @jzen has used every single Prime in existence and is therefore qualified to state that "they are all the same."
Thanks!
i i never even thought about haptic till i read this. Mines not bad, a gentle buzz on each press from the bottom left corner when in landscape. Not noisy at all.
my Champagne prime has the same problems as yours. everything else works great, so i wont bother returning it. it sucks that even though you turn it off, it still want to vibrate when you move apps/widgets around.....
yeah this was the first thing i noticed on mine, it really does sound like a duck. I wonder if it cause of the aluminum back is why its so loud, since plastic does deaden the sound a bit.
I remember someone posted before about their prime being unable to vibrate at all, and making a weird noise. he thought that the vibration motor must have come loose and was rattling around inside the case. seems like a possible explanation.
i have a gold 32 and my vibrator sounds normal LOL but seriously it seems to work fine, although not nearly as strong as my evo3d
Asus: Its uh.. a new extra feature to uh, compensate for the GPS. Quacktic feedback!
Using Swiftkey keyboard allows you to set haptic feedback intensity.With the stock KB,I barely felt it but was able to fine tune it using Swiftkey.
very quiet. not noticeable at all.
Thanks for the feedback. Seems like pretty much a mixed bag--some have the same problem as mine, some seem to have decent enough haptic feedback.
Still not sure if it's worth returning and taking a chance on a different (more important) problem...
Mine is bad as well. No funny sound but very week. The vibration does work fine though. I had to make sure that the mechanism making the vibration wasn't bad. Tested using one of the "vibrator" apps on the market. Had a good laugh but confirm that it works.
Mine is strong but also makes the annoying rattle noise. I don't think I will exchange it given the sparse availability.
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The best way to test this is to set haptic feedback in the keyboard options. Then sit back type up something and enjoy your new built in duck.
Quack quack quack. I guess its more of a fart/quack sound every time i type.
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Using Swiftkey keyboard allows you to set haptic feedback intensity.With the stock KB,I barely felt it but was able to fine tune it using Swiftkey.
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He is dead on with this. Use Swiftkey. It doesn't really make it anymore intense it just lengthens the time the motor goes off. The reason why it feels so weak (or you can't feel it at all) is that ASUS setup the motor to not run long enough so the vibration is not having enough umph to travel to the screen. If you set your vibration to 65ms you will find it gives you a nice snap to your clicks at least on the keyboard that is. ASUS hopefully with ICS release will make sure the motor goes off longer so you can actually feel it.
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He is dead on with this. Use Swiftkey. It doesn't really make it anymore intense it just lengthens the time the motor goes off. The reason why it feels so weak (or you can't feel it at all) is that ASUS setup the motor to not run long enough so the vibration is not having enough umph to travel to the screen. If you set your vibration to 65ms you will find it gives you a nice snap to your clicks at least on the keyboard that is. ASUS hopefully with ICS release will make sure the motor goes off longer so you can actually feel it.
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Tried that. On mine it just makes the noise louder, mostly. There's a bit of vibration, but the noise makes it impractical. It's surprisingly annoying in a quiet room.
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I owned the TF101 and was satisfied without experiencing haptic feedback.
So I turned it off on the prime. Settings->Sound->Feedback->Haptic Feedback.
Fixed.
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I owned the TF101 and was satisfied without experiencing haptic feedback.
So I turned it off on the prime. Settings->Sound->Feedback->Haptic Feedback.
Fixed.
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First, sometimes one does just want things to work. Simply turning off broken components isn't really an acceptable solution.
Second, even when haptic feedback is turned off there are times when the system stills tries to vibrate. For example, when moving icons on a home page and when selecting images in the Gallery app. Try it.
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Mines fine
g1xx3r said:
Using Swiftkey keyboard allows you to set haptic feedback intensity.With the stock KB,I barely felt it but was able to fine tune it using Swiftkey.
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There are definitely some build quality issues on these, perhaps because of the big rush to get enough units into the stores. Mine was also unnoticeable but when cranked up over 100 ms., it became noticeble. I could see how if it became detached or was touching metal or the casing it would be really annoying. Either shut it off or return it, its up to you.
Just got my ZAGG Solo bluetooth keyboard as well as Logitech Bluetooth Mouse.
The keyboard is great as it acts as both a stand and keyboard. Got it from Expansys but check it out on the ZAGG website. Even has some Android spesific hot keys.
The mouse is great as well but I only really use it when I output to a screen. The combination of the keyboard and mouse alows me to use the tab like a desktop when Im at my desk.
Anyway I really love it. Keen on your thoughts
Gis a look
Go on gis a look... Photos would be much appreciated
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Go on gis a look... Photos would be much appreciated
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Wish I could. I dropped my tab and the screen broke :-( Waiting for it to be repaired..in the meantime the soft crying noises you are hearing is me...
so, bit the bullet and bought a logitech pro keyboard on sale for 100 bucks at best buy. overall, i'm not impressed by it, and will be returning it for a refund.
the case itself is adequate for the job, though somewhat annoying to use. it fits the tablet, although its not as sturdy as i'd like. when opening the case, its very easy for the device to pop out of the tabs. closing the cover, the ends don't quite align up with each other and it takes a few moments of fiddling with them to get them properly seated together. despite the presence of magnets, the device doesn't turn off when the cover is closed. even though there are little rubber pads toward the end, even a little pressure will push the device into the keys. since i keep my tablet in a backpack most of the time, i'm worried that this will cause damage over time to the device. a possible work around would be to fit a piece of felt between the device and the keys before closing the case.
the keys themselves feel solid, and the typing experience is good. response time and key spacing are fine. didn't have any trouble pairing the device.
there are two main reasons why i'm returning it. first, the macro keys that let you pull up the browser, email, etc. cannot be customized. want them to map to different apps? tough noogies. they gave me the runaround at logitech support on this, until ultimately admitting there's no official way to fix the issue. (there's some process involving rooting, freezing, blah blahbity blah that doesn't work for everyone... no thanks.)
second, when using the keyboard, a semi-transparent black bar appears along the bottom of the screen that covers whatever is already there and makes that area of the screen untappable. so things like the task manager and close all apps are unusable since this bar covers them. i've included a pic, though it may be a bit hard to see it. you can get rid of it by hitting the back button, but every time you touch another key it comes back. turn the keyboard off and the bar goes away... turn it back on, and the bar comes back as soon as you hit a key. this problem is the deal-breaker for me. changing launchers didn't fix the problem, happens in both touch wiz and nova. since i haven't seen any mention of this problem before, i don't know if its a one-off thing just affecting me or if others have this problem as well.
bummer.
-lq
Very sorry you are having problems with that keyboard. I use it and am very happy with it. No fit problem here. Haven't had any problems with tablet coming out of the case either. That black bar problem looks like a defective keyboard maybe. Try to return it to Best Buy. I don't know of any keyboard that has programmable keys for this tablet. Maybe a standalone Bluetooth keyboard might have this capability but then you would not have that protective case that the Logitech has.
With regards to the black bar issue, out of curiosity are you using a custom software keyboard for on-screen keyboard use?
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That black bar looks like the type-suggestions bar... check your settings, specifically the settings --> controls --> language & input --> keyboard&input methods --> Default --> turn off the 'use on-screen keyboard' toggle.
And if you're using a third party keyaboard (that isn't swiftkey), check the settings, there might be a setting for suggestions with keyboards.
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Very sorry you are having problems with that keyboard. I use it and am very happy with it. No fit problem here. Haven't had any problems with tablet coming out of the case either. That black bar problem looks like a defective keyboard maybe. Try to return it to Best Buy. I don't know of any keyboard that has programmable keys for this tablet. Maybe a standalone Bluetooth keyboard might have this capability but then you would not have that protective case that the Logitech has.
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ended up returning it. now i'm looking at the amazon basics blue tooth keyboard (cheap!) and the samsung cover keyboard (not cheap!) honestly, i can learn to live with the macro keys problem... but its good to know that the black bar issue isn't a widespread thing.
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ShadowLea said:
That black bar looks like the type-suggestions bar... check your settings, specifically the settings --> controls --> language & input --> keyboard&input methods --> Default --> turn off the 'use on-screen keyboard' toggle.
And if you're using a third party keyaboard (that isn't swiftkey), check the settings, there might be a setting for suggestions with keyboards.
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thanks for the suggestion; was hoping it would do the trick, but unfortunately it didn't. i wonder if it has something to do with using the keyboard and the bamboo stylus at the same time? i tried using only one at a time, but that didn't do any good either.
-lq
muzzy996 said:
With regards to the black bar issue, out of curiosity are you using a custom software keyboard for on-screen keyboard use?
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nope, i use the samsung keyboard. mostly cuz i'm lazy. :cyclops:
-lq