Telenor Talks 5G Trends and Applications - Huawei Developers

Telenor Group VP Patrick Waldemar explains why 5G deployment is just the first step in the operator journey.
By Linda Xu
More than connectivity
5G is more than just blazing data speeds. It promises to be a game changer in how we live our lives and do business. Among the biggest forces driving the development of 5G are the manufacturers of 5G-enabled equipment such as automotive manufacturers, Internet technology companies, the media, the medical industry, and telecoms companies. Since the infrastructure and capability of 5G relies more on software than 4G and its predecessors, we’re seeing a much bigger interest from companies outside the traditional telecoms industry developing our next mobile networks.
Waldemar believes that 5G is not just about mobile operators simply deploying networks and then leaving them for customers to use, as they’ve done with previous generations. “When it comes to 5G, mobile operators need to work together with various industry domains and collaborate with other telecom and IP actors to understand their needs and how the partners can work together to co-create a lot of the services,” he stated.
Waldemar, who is also head of technology at Telenor Research, noted that 5G technologies have been specifically defined to provide communications services for industry, as opposed to earlier mobile generations which mainly delivered advanced communications capabilities via handsets. The new standard defines three main use case areas: enhanced mobile broadband, massive machine-type communications and ultra-reliable low-latency communications. “When you look at the needs that the various industries have, it's a combination of those three use-case areas, and the ability of 5G to provide this in a targeted way.”
He explained that unlike 3G and 4G, which were more fixed systems and mainly offered broadband communications, new 5G networks can provide more capacity, the ability to deploy dense networks of sensors, or the ability to deliver some kind of guarantee for low latency or other parameter. “This combination, with this concept of network slicing where you can target your communications to the needs of an industry or a certain area, is what makes 5G special.”
Telenor is coordinating the EU's 5G Verticals INNovation Infrastructure (5G-VINNI) project, which was designed in 2018 to expedite 5G uptake by providing an end-to-end facility to validate the performance of new 5G technologies across various verticals such as public safety, healthcare, shipping, transportation, the media, entertainment, and the automotive industry. “We’re proud to be given the opportunity to coordinate the 5G-VINNI project and to explore valuable future solutions for vertical industries. Being one of three large-scale test platforms for Europe, 5G-VINNI will help propel the development of 5G. Our aim is to make it as easy as possible to utilize and test the platform and we now call on industry players in Europe to engage with the project,” said Waldemar
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The first phase of 5G network deployments around the world, which by now exceeds 100, he said is mostly focused on the enhanced mobile broadband part.
“While the very first wave is about fixed wireless access and offering higher capacity, there are several industries that are already benefitting from this. For instance, our research has found use-cases in the health sector, such as the use of remote ultrasound remote operations and also in the automotive industry.”
All smart cars on the market today have one big weakness in common: they rely solely on their own sensors and cameras for maneuvering and navigation. The new 5G mobile networks, however, have been designed with the automotive industry in mind. Waldemar believes that even though the technology of tomorrow will bring amazing new capabilities in terms of connectivity, capacity, and speed, it will not happen in a vacuum. By supporting the development of 5G, and in turn defining the specifications that smart cars need, they’re speeding up the progress of 5G leaving the test labs and making its way into the real world.
“We’ll see a gradual shift towards smarter and more connected cars over the next few years”, said Waldemar, which is evidenced by the fact that trials of true 5G connected cars are already taking place today.
Telenor also supports 5G applications in the fish farming sector, where access to better upload speeds enabled farmers to better monitor conditions and optimize feeding, Waldemar explained.
Telenor has been working in conjunction with the salmon farming company SalMar on the island of Kattholmen in Norway and also with Sealab in the Horizon 2020 project 5G-Heart. 5G-Heart will use 5G to achieve higher upload capacity from the fish farm and improve the feeding process through enhanced video analytics. SalMar will use 5G equipment to process readings collected in its nets, which among other things, will enable it to spot unusual fish behavior. Currently, the fish farming firm monitors its nets by constant video streams to a feeding fleet or feeding center, which requires large capacity. 5G enables it to supervise its nets live and will eventually provide the better conditions for the use of AI and big data. Other applications of the technology include supporting the feeding process at farms and powering autonomous boats.
Waldemar forecasts that deploying future standalone (SA) 5G networks will give rise to applications taking advantage of massive-machine type communications, improved reliability, and lower latency. According to GSMA Intelligence, six operators had deployed SA 5G networks globally as of the end of October 2020, with another 11 announcing plans to do so.
“In addition, we'll get the ability to do network slicing in an efficient manner. This will open up a lot of industrial use-cases where you make use of all these sensors, the reliability and the low latency. And all this can be tailored using network slicing,” said Waldemar.
B2B impact
Waldemar sees B2B applications already impacting society in a good way, and as the industry moves towards more tailored communication services, enabled by SA networks, there will be an even more positive impact on society as new services emerge in the health, transport, and education sectors.
5G isn’t without challenges, however. Some of the bigger obstacles the technology needs to overcome are: 1) finding space for much more data in the already saturated wireless spectrum; 2) figuring out how to efficiently manage a large number of differently sized packages of information; 3) creating computer systems able to handle the vast amounts of data that will be created by IoT communications; 4) reducing both the size and power consumption of network devices to meet the needs of the increasingly large number of applications using IoT.
“In just a few years, the price of 5G-connected sensors will be so low and the availability so high that everything can be connected without worrying about losing the sensors. The low power consumption of IoT devices also enables a long lifetime without the need for replacements,” said Waldemar.
“This all makes me really happy about the future and excited about working with technology that helps industry and society. I’m excited about how 5G is creating a wide range of new use-cases and adding new value across nearly all aspects of society. Telenor’s purpose is empowering societies, and there are so many potential new applications that can answer that purpose.”
Original Link:https://www.huawei.com/en/technology-insights/publications/winwin/39/telenor-5g-trends-applications

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Rev. A - Rev. B?

Is Rev. A capable of upgrading to Rev. B Through another radio update?
Forgive me if its such a simple question, I'm somewhat time constrained at the moment, and just wanted to ask.
Rev. B looks awfully cool. But it does seem it well require new hardware, as how Rev. B Works is somewhat different.
As quoted from QUALCOMM
"LAS VEGAS, April 7 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- QUALCOMM Incorporated (Nasdaq: QCOM - News), a leading developer and innovator of Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA) and other advanced wireless technologies, today unveiled more of the Company's strategy for driving CDMA2000� 1xEV-DO Revision B to market. Still on schedule for commercialization in 2007, QUALCOMM's chipset solutions for the EVDO Rev. B standard will support unsurpassed wireless data rates to provide the springboard for delivering next-generation wireless data, music, gaming and multimedia entertainment devices.
"Consumers want devices that are smaller, lighter, faster, cheaper, as well as fully featured and with longer battery life," said Dr. Sanjay K. Jha, president of QUALCOMM CDMA Technologies. "We are committed to enabling our customers to meet these market demands, rapidly moving forward in the evolution of CDMA2000 technology to bring unprecedented levels of data throughput and network capacity with EV-DO Rev. B - capabilities that are necessary to support tomorrow's high-performance wireless applications."
Mobile Station Modem(TM) (MSM(TM)) solutions for EVDO Rev B will be highly integrated with advanced functionality, support the operation of up to three simultaneous channels of 1.25 MHz each for higher-speed data rates and deliver significant space-savings for devices that are thinner, smaller and lighter. The EVDO Rev. B standard supports up to 4.9 Mbps in each channel for a combined three-channel data speed of up to 14.7 Mbps on the downlink. With the processing power necessary for true multi-tasking capabilities that support the convergence of multiple consumer electronics features, and the ability to leverage the wireless bandwidth required to deliver these mobile services, QUALCOMM's chipsets for EV-DO Rev. B will deliver advanced functionality in a single compact, fully optimized device. QUALCOMM expects the first commercial EV-DO Rev B products to be data modems available in late 2007, with additional wireless devices available soon thereafter.
EV-DO Rev. B. technology is part of the Company's DO Multicarrier Multilink eXtensions (DMMX(TM)) platform, a set of technology and product innovations announced in November 2005. Enabling applications such as mobile TV or streaming music with a concurrent voice call, or conducting a Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) conversation while simultaneously browsing the Internet or transmitting multimedia content over the network, the flexibility of EV-DO Rev. B technology also enables significant network capacity and performance enhancements while leveraging existing network investments and currently deployed devices. Extremely high-performance devices could support forward-link data rates of up to 73.5 Mbps, while lower-cost or pre-existing devices could support 4.9 Mbps. Network operators may reduce their costs by allowing a greater percentage of spectrum to be allocated to IP-based services. The DMMX platform also includes numerous QUALCOMM-developed techniques to further enhance the voice and data performance of EVDO networks."
Very doubtful.
I also have a feeling that any of the handsets out on the market today wouldnt even be powerful enough, processor-wise to take advantage of the faster speeds. You might be able DL something pretty quick, but the phone probably wouldnt be able to keep up in terms of rendering on screen images or web pages.
From this:
Extremely high-performance devices could support forward-link data rates of up to 73.5 Mbps, while lower-cost or pre-existing devices could support 4.9 Mbps.
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I would interpret that to mean current Rev.A modems.
Are any carriers even planning on rolling out a Rev B network? Sprint is going WiMax, Verizon is going LTE. It may be a moot point.
bedoig said:
Are any carriers even planning on rolling out a Rev B network? Sprint is going WiMax, Verizon is going LTE. It may be a moot point.
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I was under the impression that sprint was still in the process of deciding between Rev. B & WiMax.
bedoig said:
Are any carriers even planning on rolling out a Rev B network? Sprint is going WiMax, Verizon is going LTE. It may be a moot point.
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Actually Sprint has formerly abandoned WiMax efforts with Clearwire. Too many problems getting certain aspects of the project working. Spirent which was the supplier of test equipment to Sprint and Nortel for testing WiMax had many issues getting there equipment working properly. I doubt WiMax will ever really take off in the way it was meant too. It is true that some WiMax deployment exists, but it's proprietary and sparse. Sprint is still considering WiMax networks but Rev B would probally be an easier route for them to accomplish as not much changes to the antennae
http://www.news.com/Can-WiMax-make-it-in-the-U.S./2100-1039_3-6217947.html?tag=topicIndex
You have to realize that Rev B (if it happens) is YEARS away from being implemented. I mean, Rev A isnt even fully out for Verizon yet in all markets, and only through hacks can pda phones even use it currently, otherwise its restricted to PC aircards.
All the existing phones out on the market today will long be obsolete by the time the next generation of internet speed (whether its Rev B or whatever it might end up being) is deployed.
rajuabju said:
Very doubtful.
I also have a feeling that any of the handsets out on the market today wouldnt even be powerful enough, processor-wise to take advantage of the faster speeds. You might be able DL something pretty quick, but the phone probably wouldnt be able to keep up in terms of rendering on screen images or web pages.
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Doesn't stop some people to just have it tethered to there PC's were it could be taken advantage of. (id be one of those people) lol
With the lack of a real free market here in the USA and the mass of land we have to cover all of these new techs will continue to be implimented in a horribly ****ty manor and in horrible ****ty time frame. The Federal gov keeps regulating the piss out of wireless and getting in the way.
stevenewjersey said:
With the lack of a real free market here in the USA and the mass of land we have to cover all of these new techs will continue to be implemented in a horribly ****ty manor and in horrible ****ty time frame. The Federal gov keeps regulating the piss out of wireless and getting in the way.
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Sigh... so very true. Its no wonder japan has Everything, People there are already watching there high quality movies on there phones. There country is only SMALLER than the state of California. Insane? yes very.
Well this announcement is about a new chipset which would preclude you from just updating the radio.
and by the time the carriers implement REV B you will have had 3 new phones and more likely to have citywide WiFi if Google has it's way!

Sprint leaving the door open to limited data

I had an interesting experience with Sprint's customer service the other day... I had finally pulled the plug on them and switched to Verizon and the Droid DNA. I wrote a quick note to [email protected] telling them that I'm leaving because I still had no date for LTE in Milwaukee and I was sick of waiting without any information from Sprint.
I got an email back from a customer service agent saying basically that they hoped I would be back in 2 years to enjoy unlimited data.
So I called their bluff: I told them that I would like a signed letter stating that if I returned to Sprint in 2 years, they would need to honor my unlimited plan. Basically, put up or shut up.
Here's the response I got:
Per our conversation yesterday; I do assure you that Sprint is committed
to providing outstanding service. I understand the value of our
unlimited data. It is Sprint's hope to continue to offer unlimited data;
however our plans are subject to change and I am unable to determine
what plans will be available in 2015.
It was a pleasure to speak with you. I do hope you return to the Sprint
family in the future.
Thank you for choosing Sprint.
Sincerely,
Sarah B.
xxx-xxx-xxxx
Sprint
So, I leave it up to you to take what you want from that statement, but to me it looks like they are going to yank the unlimited data on their customers as soon as they get everything in place. Just my thoughts... don't shoot the messenger.
On a side note, Verizon's LTE speed buries the needle on Speed Test and the coverage is excellent. The quad-core DNA is the best HTC device I've owned. It's so nice to be done with Sprint.
rigmort said:
So, I leave it up to you to take what you want from that statement, but to me it looks like they are going to yank the unlimited data on their customers as soon as they get everything in place. Just my thoughts... don't shoot the messenger.
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No one really has unlimited data today. All of the carriers will cancel your service if you use enough data, unless of course you are paying per MB, even if that usage comes from downloading four or five ROM's directly to your phone each day and/or steaming too many movies. They just don't like heavy data users even though it's supposed to be unlimited.
Virgin Mobile is in the process of throttling 4G usage after a limit is reached and I would expect Sprint to do the same thing. My WiMax/4G coverage is pretty good (~8 mbps down and 1.3 mbps up) but we have no target for LTE in my area either so I feel for you and may be looking at an M7 or Nexus 4 with Verizon or T-Mobile when my contract is up in June as well.
ramjet73
ramjet73 said:
may be looking at an M7 or Nexus 4 with Verizon
ramjet73
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Maybe this would help your decision:
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Maybe this would help your decision:
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But how much data do you get per month? That's just gonna let you use it up that much faster. :laugh:
I would definitely want to test Verizon's LTE against T-Mobile's HSPA+ in my area before making a decision, but at least those options are available unlike Sprint's LTE.
ramjet73
ramjet73 said:
But how much data do you get per month? That's just gonna let you use it up that much faster. :laugh:
I would definitely want to test Verizon's LTE against T-Mobile's HSPA+ in my area before making a decision, but at least those options are available unlike Sprint's LTE.
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My wife and I share 4gb. In the first month we used 600mb. I've learned to leave Wifi on and let it tell me when there's a hot spot available. So most places, when I'm not driving, I'm on Wifi.
I encourage you to leave Wifi on all the time and run 3g watchdog or somehow monitor your usage and you might find that you use a lot less than you think you do.
rigmort said:
My wife and I share 4gb. In the first month we used 600mb. I've learned to leave Wifi on and let it tell me when there's a hot spot available. So most places, when I'm not driving, I'm on Wifi.
I encourage you to leave Wifi on all the time and run 3g watchdog or somehow monitor your usage and you might find that you use a lot less than you think you do.
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I agree with you 100%, but WiFi is just as good using a Sprint phone as anyone else's. I'd prefer to have unlimited data, even if it gets throttled at some point, and not have to worry about tracking my usage. And WiMax is the closet thing to mobile WiFi so I'll just continue to use that until I get a phone that doesn't support it.
I'm actually considering a Nexus 4 on a T-Mobile pre-paid plan that has 100 voice minutes but unlimited texting and data, with 5GB/month of 4G (HSPA+) data degraded to 3G when that threshold is reached, for $30 a month. I could use VoIP for outgoing calls and save the 100 minutes for incoming.
ramjet73
ramjet73 said:
No one really has unlimited data today. All of the carriers will cancel your service if you use enough data, unless of course you are paying per MB, even if that usage comes from downloading four or five ROM's directly to your phone each day and/or steaming too many movies. They just don't like heavy data users even though it's supposed to be unlimited.
I'm actually considering a Nexus 4 on a T-Mobile pre-paid plan that has 100 voice minutes but unlimited texting and data, with 5GB/month of 4G (HSPA+) data degraded to 3G when that threshold is reached, for $30 a month. I could use VoIP for outgoing calls and save the 100 minutes for incoming.
ramjet73
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Is the 3G after 5GB 4g is unlimited? I mean can you go beyond 50GB or will they shut the 3g off?
And about How much data does sprint allows on unlimited plan?
mnomaanw said:
Is the 3G after 5GB 4g is unlimited? I mean can you go beyond 50GB or will they shut the 3g off?
And about How much data does sprint allows on unlimited plan?
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For T-Mobile there is not supposed to be a limit on the 3G usage after the 5GB 4G allocation is exceeded, but as I said previously I'm sure that if your data usage becomes what T-Mobile considers excessive you may risk cancellation of your services.
Here's the wording in the T-Mobile terms and conditions that relate to data usage:
Permissible and Prohibited Uses: Your Data Plan is intended for Web browsing, messaging, and similar activities on your Device and not on any other equipment. Unless explicitly permitted by your Data Plan, other uses, including for example, using your Device as a modem or tethering your Device to a personal computer or other hardware, are not permitted. Other examples of prohibited uses can be found in Section 18. Protective Measures: To provide a good experience for the majority of our customers and minimize capacity issues and degradation in network performance, we may take measures including temporarily reducing data throughput for a subset of customers who use a disproportionate amount of bandwidth. In addition, if your total usage exceeds 5GB (amount is subject to change without notice; please check T-Mobile's T&Cs on www.T-Mobile.com for updates) during a billing cycle, we may reduce your data speed for the remainder of that billing cycle. If you use your Data Plan in a manner that could interfere with other customers' service, affect our ability to allocate network capacity among customers, or degrade service quality for other customers, we may suspend, terminate, or restrict your data session, or switch you to a more appropriate Data Plan. We also manage our network to facilitate the proper functioning of services that require consistent high speeds, such as video calling, which may, particularly at times and in areas of network congestion, result in reduced speeds for other services. Additionally, we may implement other network management practices, such as caching less data, using less capacity, and sizing video more appropriately for a Device to transmit data files more efficiently. These practices are agnostic to the content itself and to the websites that provide it. While we avoid changing text, image, and video files in the compression process when practical, the process may impact the appearance of files as displayed on your Device.
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I suspect Sprint's policies are very similar even though they advertise "unlimited" data plans.
ramjet73
I agree that "unlimited data" is an endangered species. After all, any one cell tower's bandwidth is limited to the bandwidth over landlines. Unless a site is fiber fed, the bandwidth is limited to copper lines, which are limited by distance and condition of the plant. Inevitably, the bandwidth will be used up as devices get faster, and more people use wireless services. To sum it up, and without ignoring the carriers responsibility to provide cost effective service, "We have met the enemy, and he is us."
Only thing they care about is roaming. Don't roam and you will be alright. If yu use over 50gb a month, then you are doing something outside your phone anyway.

[Q] Long range Phone-to-Phone communication

We all know that cell phones talk to cell-phone towers which then connect them to the rest of the telephone network. But what about situations where there are no cell-phone towers? Two people with perfectly good cell phone devices would be virtually incapable of talking to one another short of speaking to each other face to face. Connecting two smart phones via wifi or bluetooth seems a simple enough solution, but the range of these radios is significantly limited in comparison to that of the cellular modem.
The root of this question is: How do I access the modem of two smartphone and connect them together directly so that I can speak between the two of them without a cell phone tower present. This would be useful for example on a road trip with multiple cars across "dead zones."
I understand that there is a lot of proprietary bounds that may need to be crossed and that appropriate amature radio licensing will be needed potentially. This is an excellent post on a similar concept: Raw android GSM radio modem access (text/call intercept)
Would RIL allow this process, or would I need to go even closer to hardware?
I am a senior studying Computer Engineering at Brigham Young University. This is a concept I would like to explore, and I haven't been able to find too much content on the web about it.

Samsung First to Include 4x4 MIMO (maybe?)

Pretty awesome, if true:
http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-note-7-4x4-mimo-709040/
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Just came here to open a thread about this. What I don't get is all the news sources say that it's found only in the Snapdragon variant but if you look at Samsung's spec sheet for the global variant it also includes MIMO.
Look here under connectivity: http://www.samsung.com/global/galaxy/galaxy-note7/
Ah I see that my reddit post is reaching the larger audience! Check out the original post for a lot more info and ELI5: https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/4wtsdy/galaxy_note_7_the_first_4x4_mimo_capable/
But I will also try to explain the benefits here.
- Up until now, all LTE smartphones had 2 Receive antennas in order to match the amount of Transmit antennas at the cell site, which sends up to two independent "spatial streams" in each transmission. In other words, when your signal is good, your phone is able to receive and demodulate both of those streams which provides faster download speeds.
- Over the past several years, T-Mobile begun equipping their LTE cell sites with 4 Transmit (and receive) antennas, which added additional diversity. Think of it as an additional set of "ears" at the cell site, able to "hear" your phone better since our phones transmit power is many times lower than Tx power at the cell site.
- Even though T-Mobile still sends out two spatial streams from the cell site, additional diversity allows operators to transmit data more efficiently, and essentially prepared operators like T-Mobile for the next step, 4x4 MIMO. This also helps with things like VoLTE, as the added antenna diversity improves overall signal resilience.
- In the meantime, there's been an ongoing struggle for OEMs to figure out how to implement 4 LTE Receive antennas in such a small smartphone form factor, and achieve acceptable antenna separation and isolation, and mitigate the interference. At the same time, in order to achieve the highest efficiency gain, signals that are coming into such a small device have to be uncorrelated, leveraging fading and multipath. I won't dive into that today.
- So adding 4 Receive antennas in the smartphone, just like T-Mobile has done at the cell sites, Samsung is effectively adding a set of "ears" and creating that same diversity on the user's end, which benefits not only users, but also operators as they're now delivering data more efficiently, especially to devices that happened to be in poor signal conditions.
- The best part happens when both the operator has 4 Transmit and the smartphone has the matching 4 Receive antennas. When that happens an operator can roll out 4x4 MIMO (Multiple Input Multiple Output) LTE feature, which effectively doubles download speeds, assuming good signal conditions, on top of improved resiliency when in sub-optimal signal conditions.
- So in T-Mobile's or Verizon's case, they typically have 20MHz Band 4 spectrum deployed for their LTE. In the existing 2x2 MIMO use case that yields up to 150Mbps peak downlink data rates, in good signal conditions.
But once they activate 4x4 MIMO, speeds double up to 300Mbps out of the same 20MHz Band spectrum, without operators deploying additional spectrum resources.
- Even in less the optimal signal conditions, in places where you'd see 5Mbps speeds, we should be able to see improved speeds because our phones now have more antennas and are able to maintain that connectivity with the cell site.
It's easy to see that we end up winning on multiple levels now that 4Rx antenna implementation in a smartphone became a reality. I plan on reviewing LTE Performance in Note 7 and other smartphones on my site http://cellularinsights.com so keep an eye on it if interested in this kind of tuff.
What does this mean for sprint users?
milan03, Snapdragon 820 LTE modem is known to support 4x4 MIMO and kudos for Samsung implementing 4 receive antennas in Note7 if it turns out to be true.
But what about the samsungs own integrated modem in Exynos 8890? I have not seen any specs about 4x4 Mimo support about it. International S7/S7 edge already include that modem. So has the existing samsung modem support for 4x4 or has has samsung upgraded their modem in Note7?
iFixit teardown https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Samsung+Galaxy+Note7+Teardown/66389

So what's so good about 5g?

I was traveling for work today and saw 5G signal. Wanted to see how fast it was, and was a bit surprised. Left me wondering what's so good about it?
Screenshots are of LTE and 5G speed tests.
Lower latency, faster speeds, better spectrum efficiency. It will get faster once the Sprint 5G is added in after the merger.
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Lower latency, faster speeds, better spectrum efficiency. It will get faster once the Sprint 5G is added in after the merger.
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Interesting. Didn't see any of those benefits.
Benefits? Live faster, die younger. Like anyone asked for it
5G with T-Mobile is taking the opposite approach as Verizon/AT&T. Instead of trying to get INSANE speeds with very short range, they're building a network that has better than LTE speeds with much further range (higher frequencies=lower range, higher speeds, lower frequencies=lower speeds, higher range). Currently, it's not well-optimized since it's pretty new, but will improve within the next year.
Current 5G networks on T-Mobile are exclusive to 5G phones, making existing 5G networks so much less crowded. So while speeds may fluctuate, you're not having to share that network with anyone else basically, and you'll see better speeds in certain rural areas.
In Western VA, where coverage had been historically terrible, I was getting about 80mbs in places where my Pixel 3a XL was barely hitting 2mbs if I was lucky. It all depends on where you live right now.
Crisisx1 said:
I was traveling for work today and saw 5G signal. Wanted to see how fast it was, and was a bit surprised. Left me wondering what's so good about it?
Screenshots are of LTE and 5G speed tests.
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I was getting over 100 in Saint Paul so not terrible.
Currently on the consumer side there are much more negatives than benefits. Higher power consumption, lower coverage, short ranges, higher cost. Otherwise on the consumer side, the benefits of 5G are much higher speeds (although this will drop drastically from the theoritical and current speeds once it gets wide adoption -- just as 4G) and lower latency.
5G is currently mainly still a push on the enterprise side. It allows them to direct the waves of the signal towards the users/devices and in turn provide a better connection. Another huge benefit is being able to connect much more devices at once. In a few years with smart home appliances, and self-driving cars with TVs in them they will be ready to sell you the streaming/bandwidth services you'll want for entertaiment in those devices.
If you never though "gee my 4G is pretty slow, I wish it was faster" (I personally never have), there is no need to get 5G.
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5G with T-Mobile is taking the opposite approach as Verizon/AT&T. Instead of trying to get INSANE speeds with very short range, they're building a network that has better than LTE speeds with much further range (higher frequencies=lower range, higher speeds, lower frequencies=lower speeds, higher range). Currently, it's not well-optimized since it's pretty new, but will improve within the next year.
Current 5G networks on T-Mobile are exclusive to 5G phones, making existing 5G networks so much less crowded. So while speeds may fluctuate, you're not having to share that network with anyone else basically, and you'll see better speeds in certain rural areas.
In Western VA, where coverage had been historically terrible, I was getting about 80mbs in places where my Pixel 3a XL was barely hitting 2mbs if I was lucky. It all depends on where you live right now.
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What you're saying is not possible, research how the 5G technology works and you'll see what I mean. By nature, 5G has much higher bandwidth but much shorter range than 4G. Just the same as 5Ghz vs 2.4Ghz in routers. There is nothing T-Mobile or anyone else can do to change this, as it's the physics of the wave-lenght itself. 5G gets stopped by walls and other obstructions very easily.
What service providers are doing (and the only thing they can do with this techonology) is placing a boat-load of antennaes everywhere. And I mean tens if not hundreds times more antenaes than 4G (but much, much smaller ones). As such, it's not a strech to say that for 5G to be adopted outside of populated cities will take a while. Rural areas might never see 5G.
PS: Not sure what counts as "rural" areas in the USA. I assume most roads and especially big ones, even if the area is considered "rural" will be covered. By rural I mean small villages, woods, mountains etc.
The McLaren on T-Mobile uses low band 5G on the 600MHz band. Low spectrum means greater building penetration and long range (T-Mobile claims up to 2 mile range on low band). There's also extremely high band mmWave 5G, which the McLaren doesn't have. mmWave is the type that's super fast (like gigabit speeds) but has exceptionally short range.
pdagal said:
The McLaren on T-Mobile uses low band 5G on the 600MHz band. Low spectrum means greater building penetration and long range (T-Mobile claims up to 2 mile range on low band). There's also extremely high band mmWave 5G, which the McLaren doesn't have. mmWave is the type that's super fast (like gigabit speeds) but has exceptionally short range.
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Oh, I see. It does make a ton of sense to implement a lower spectrum in less densely populated areas. Nonetheless, the 2 mile range is still far off from 4G range capabilities.
siegmour said:
Currently on the consumer side there are much more negatives than benefits. Higher power consumption, lower coverage, short ranges, higher cost. Otherwise on the consumer side, the benefits of 5G are much higher speeds (although this will drop drastically from the theoritical and current speeds once it gets wide adoption -- just as 4G) and lower latency.
5G is currently mainly still a push on the enterprise side. It allows them to direct the waves of the signal towards the users/devices and in turn provide a better connection. Another huge benefit is being able to connect much more devices at once. In a few years with smart home appliances, and self-driving cars with TVs in them they will be ready to sell you the streaming/bandwidth services you'll want for entertaiment in those devices.
If you never though "gee my 4G is pretty slow, I wish it was faster" (I personally never have), there is no need to get 5G.
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What you're saying is not possible, research how the 5G technology works and you'll see what I mean. By nature, 5G has much higher bandwidth but much shorter range than 4G. Just the same as 5Ghz vs 2.4Ghz in routers. There is nothing T-Mobile or anyone else can do to change this, as it's the physics of the wave-lenght itself. 5G gets stopped by walls and other obstructions very easily.
What service providers are doing (and the only thing they can do with this techonology) is placing a boat-load of antennaes everywhere. And I mean tens if not hundreds times more antenaes than 4G (but much, much smaller ones). As such, it's not a strech to say that for 5G to be adopted outside of populated cities will take a while. Rural areas might never see 5G.
PS: Not sure what counts as "rural" areas in the USA. I assume most roads and especially big ones, even if the area is considered "rural" will be covered. By rural I mean small villages, woods, mountains etc.
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It absolutely is possible. 5G doesn't simply operate on one wavelngth, rather, it refers to the tehcnology that's utlized to deliver more effecient bandwith. Like 4G LTE, there are different wavelenths with different speeds/distances. T-Mobile is running their 5G network on their 600MHz frequency currently which has much slower speeds than gigabit, but still decent ones that tend to perform about as well as a strong LTE signal. In fact, T-Mobile has been putting much focus on certain rural areas starting off, taking the opposite approach as AT&T and Verizon with their mmwave 5G.

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