Question Ultra low power state - Samsung Galaxy Tab A7 Lite

I just bought the 32 gig model to use as an android auto headunit as most good decks are out of stock and figure why not do something fun. I'd prefer not to have it receive power all the time so what is the limitation for idle time with stock settings? I actually did this once before with a nexus 7 running a custom rom and got the standby time to I want to say a few weeks. Goal is to have it go into this state when power is removed and then when power is reapplied (car turns on) it snaps right back into android auto and is ready to go.
Anyone else use this tablet for this purpose?

Hey there, I have the exact same use case as you. I also used to have a nexus 7 as my head unit and swapped for the A7 Lite within the last few months. Now I'm not sure how savvy or comfortable you are with some of this stuff, but I'll type out what I did here. Sorry if this is long but its a lot of info. Feel free to ask me any questions.
Root/Apps​First off I rooted the tablet using this same method for the A7 10.5. This is a pretty intensive root method compared to most so I wouldn't advise if you don't feel comfortable. You will also trip KNOX so keep that in mind.
A quick note: Tasker may be able to run all of the commands I use without root so rooting may not be necessary. Greenify is definitely more robust with root but also may be able to run fine without it!
Once rooted, I installed Tasker to handle all the automation, and Greenify to handle blocking background usage. The cool thing about Samsung is they give you the ability natively to block most apps from performing background tasks so battery life should be pretty damn good from the start. Greenify with root just adds an extra layer of killing those pesky tasks that keep your tablet from deep sleep.
Tasker​For tasker, I have 2 main profiles used to turn this into a proper head unit. Hopefully you have some experience In Tasker so this next part isnt gibberish. I'll write them down here in a readable format but let me know if you want me to clarify anything.
- If any power is connected: Turn on the screen > Set display timeout to 23 hours > Turn on Immersive Mode
As an exit task when power is disconnected: Turn off Immersive mode > set timeout to 30 seconds
- If there is no power: From 8:30pm-5:00am > turn off tablet
When power is supplied, the tablets screen will turn on, set a super long timeout, then enable Immersive mode to hide the top and bottom bars like your watching a movie. You touch anywhere on the screen and they will pop out for use. When power is disconnected, it will revert back to normal.
The second task is set from 8:30pm-5am. If the tablet does not get supplied power between those times, it will shut the tablet off. This works for me because I never really drive between those times but you could adjust to your lifestyle and probably not impact battery much.
The only annoyance is that every morning you will have to turn the tablet on via the power button. There used to be a few methods of turning a tablet on when power is supplied and that is something I used on the nexus 7 but that functionality is currently lacking on the A7 lite. There is one potential way to achieve this, but it involves replacing the batter icon file used when the tablet is off and plugged in, with a script telling the tablet to boot up. Unfortunately, with the changed made to partitioning and the lack of TWRP for this device, I haven't been able to find a method of doing so.
Charging​The most important part of all of this is making sure you have a good charger/cable that will fastcharge. With all of this done, I have never seen my battery drop below 98%. When it does drop sub 100% it charges back up in a matter of minutes once driving again.
Pics​As far as the pics below, I 3d printed a slightly angled holder with a slot for a 90 degree charging cable and also a super strong magnet behind the left side. I put a magnet plate on the tablet and is basically does not move with put into place. Looks pretty clean also which is a bonus.
Hope this info helps out and ill update if I find an auto-boot method.
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So I didn't end up going the root option just in case something happens to it. I was able to use automate and setup the routines fine with one exception. Killing the headunit reloaded app sometimes doesn't work but I typically catch it so it's not terrible. But yeah basically mine does check for power then depending on power state changes wifi, screen timeout, power saving mode etc. And yeah battery life is actually pretty great on average with standby time.
I used a pocket router since I couldn't make wifi direct work. I typically leave the router on so I can connect immediately but it is switched for really cold nights so it doesn't kill my battery. And on that subject turns out this tablet hates the cold lol so I have to pull that out as well now. Kind of a pain but whatever.
Here's pics of what I did.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AndroidAuto/comments/qrzlz1
I also chose to use a separate EQ I had lying around. Big benefit with the separate volume knob and then setting filters since my old unit was I believe responsible for that.
On your tablet mount. Is that the plastic that's all scuffed up? If that's ABS then a quick way to bring back the shine is paper towels with acetone on it. Just wipe it gently in the same direction and it will pop.

Nice build!
On your tablet mount. Is that the plastic that's all scuffed up? If that's ABS then a quick way to bring back the shine is paper towels with acetone on it.
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It's actually PLA. I had just replaced my PEI sheet with a one of those ender 3 magnetic sheets due to some first layer problems. It stuck to the new sheet like glue and left this crazy scuffed up looking surface. Adjusted my z offset and its fine now but figured it wasn't a big deal since the tablet would cover that anyway.
I'm actually in the process of doing some more tweaks to the tablet. Gaining root access to the partitions in a custom recovery would make life super easy but there are some problems doing this in Android 11 on a samsung. I plan on removing the "your device is unlocked" warning and replacing with a subaru symbol for when the device boots, and eventually finding a way to auto boot the tablet when power is applied. I will updated in this post if i make any progress.
I'm super stoked someone else has been using this tablet and a 3d printer to turn this into a HU!

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Nice build!
It's actually PLA. I had just replaced my PEI sheet with a one of those ender 3 magnetic sheets due to some first layer problems. It stuck to the new sheet like glue and left this crazy scuffed up looking surface. Adjusted my z offset and its fine now but figured it wasn't a big deal since the tablet would cover that anyway.
I'm actually in the process of doing some more tweaks to the tablet. Gaining root access to the partitions in a custom recovery would make life super easy but there are some problems doing this in Android 11 on a samsung. I plan on removing the "your device is unlocked" warning and replacing with a subaru symbol for when the device boots, and eventually finding a way to auto boot the tablet when power is applied. I will updated in this post if i make any progress.
I'm super stoked someone else has been using this tablet and a 3d printer to turn this into a HU!
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So you are actually turning off the tablet every time? I've found that even without root I can get it to hold great battery life for days and theoretically up to weeks of standby time. I mean if you drive it at least once/twice per week then I might consider keeping it on. Then you don't have to wait.
Yeah I love my printer. So much fun to make different things with it. And also one of the most frustrating tools I own lol. Dialing it in and making repairs/upgrades over time has been.... fun lol.

So you are actually turning off the tablet every time?
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Yeah currently I am. I know the tablets have a great standby and deep sleep and I could probably make it at-least a week without the need to shut it down but I have it set this way just to not have to worry about it. Boot time is only about 20 seconds or so, and if i can figure out how to autoboot with power, it would be perfectly set up.

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[Q] Screen turn blank White) ob G tablet

I had my Gtablet for a week and after the update, it works fine. Today, when I power up the tablet, the screen just went blank (white screen). I am a novice thus I did not mod the tablet. What happens? I hate to return the tablet since I was starting to enjoy it. PLease advise.
You might try to reload a working firmware. If you have clockworkmod, and a saved image, restore it and see what happens, perhaps a driver got corrupt somehow. If that does not work, it may very well be hardware failure. Take it back to Sears a white screen is just that. Not useable.
Thanks. Guess I need to run over to sears again for another exchange.......This was my second one. The first one just doesn't boot up and this one was working fine until now.
I am having this white screen of death issue. I'm hoping that getting the battery completely drained will reset something and allow me to see the birds again...never thought I'd be wanting to see those birds, but here I am.
Has anyone ever had the blank white screen of death and gotten their gtab to work again?
damn it, same thing just happened to me. I left it unused for 2 weeks, now I turn it on and white screen! not nice
Bump for the sake of my gtab? anyone??
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and bump again? anyone?
White screen follow-up
I believe that this "white screen" is the equivalent of when you see a "No Signal" notification on your HDTV. I'm pretty sure that the tablet is running fine, it's just not outputting video to the LCD. I didn't have a dock to do video out to verify this, but I am fairly certain that's what was happening here.
I had to RMA mine. If anyone has other results/info, please let me know.
The first gtab I bought when it started had a white screen that you could hardly see anything and it blinked. I took it back to office depot and got a new one.
Follow-up White Screen (more info), using HDMI output
Have the same problem with my second GTablet. However, I bought an external dock that has an HDMI output for the GTablet. With the working GTablet, when I plug it into my television, the television mirrors the output of the screen perfectly. With the white-screen tablet, only the television shows something. As I am a basic hardware guy, I guess there are two reasons for this:
1. The flex cable between the display and the computer is loose/broken.
2. Something in the electronics is wrong.
I have received an RMA number for this problem from Viewsonic, although they may just look at it and send it back to me. Any other experiments that people want me to try while I can still see on the external?
Otherwise, I'm just gonna send it to Viewsonic in a couple of days and wait 15-20 business days.
G Tablet White Screen
I have had this lately too. Once in a while when i turn my Gtab on the screen is white. When it first happened, i assumed it was bricked. I tried doing a update.zip back to stock...nothing...just white screen. Then when i was in the process of doing the update.zip flash again, i bumped the bottom, right corner of the tab on my desk and the screen all of a sudden when back to normal, showing the home screen. Now, if it does this white screen business, a simple tap on the right side usually brings it back to normal. I would also assume this is a loose connection of some sort. Anyone cracked the gtab open and been able to find where the screen connection is located? I bought my gtab Jan 14 2011 so it is out of the return window to Sears, and i haven't called Viewsonic for assistance yet as i fear i won't get very far with them. Any help is greatly appreciated!
Triple Love Tap Fix on Bottom Right Corner for White Screen Fix ... Back to Normal
After reading the last post, I tried a triple love tap on the bottom right corner on a white-screened g-Tablet, and voila. It's working again. The Internet is a grand thing. This love-tap thing is clearly undocumented Viewsonic security feature.
As for reference, I did break it open and tried to figure out where the flex cable went, but it's a pretty tight SoC design and when I removed the cover, the connection seemed to be sandwiched between the motherboard and the touchscreen itself. Not wanting to remove the 5 various cables and 3-4 various buttons floating around, I gave up at this point.
If I have to periodically do a love-tap, well so be it. At least, I'm not spending $600 for Motorola Xoom. Thus is the fate of cheap bastards like myself who like to play Fruit Ninja on the cheap.
I can't believe this worked!! "Love Tap" to the right corner brought my white screen back as well.
Bump really works, thanx!
i can't believe the bump worked. I took it apart and looked inside at every connection. I was about to throw it away and then i found this post. I did the bump and it's back to normal.
Another "love bump" success!
Just had it happen to mine this morning -- blank white screen. I did a love bump as suggested, and the screen is back! Definitely sounds like a connection issue, but I don't recall bumping it before it blanked out. I'll just keep fingers crossed that it doesn't happen again.
BTW, for anyone else who needs to do this -- it's definitely a "bump" compared to a "tap". I had to give it enough oomph that I could have craked a walnut with my palm under the same force. Not a "whack" but a "bump" compared to "tap"
WTF WITH VIEWSONIC/USMERCHANTS! I Live in Mexico, I sent (paid..) my tablet to the US for warranty (white screen, the tapping doesnt seem to work with me..) they recieved it, send it back to a friend in the US and he sent it back to mexico (PAID AGAIN).
Just recieved my gtablet, turn on, white screen, nice they didnt even touch the friggin thing!
WHAT THE F...
Ok, bumping this thread again, and letting you know.
Since I was pissed, I opened up my gtablet! Well to letting you know, the CONNECTOR that goes FROM the motherboard to the LCD...was completely loose and not completely connected. This has to be a factory fault, since well, its almost impossible for it to disconnect! Anyway, My tablet is working just fine now, (after 4 months ¬¬)....I will try to get my shipping money back from US Merchants, bastards.
RAWR!
[REQUEST] A permanent solution than periodic love "tap/bumps"
Can you post a picture of the connector? I broke open my tablet before, but I was unable to locate this loose connection. Although I find the current solution very amusing/charming , I would like to have a permanent solution on this thread.
For long term care of the tablet, I've had to do this solution about once every 2-3 months on my 6 year old son's tablet. He had the tablet with the original problem and he may occasionally drop/jostle the thing more than I. So, for the lifetime of this product, the love tap/bump may be an acceptable solution. However, it is clearly a loose connection problem, and more information on your solution would be very helpful to the community.
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Ok, bumping this thread again, and letting you know.
Since I was pissed, I opened up my gtablet! Well to letting you know, the CONNECTOR that goes FROM the motherboard to the LCD...was completely loose and not completely connected. This has to be a factory fault, since well, its almost impossible for it to disconnect! Anyway, My tablet is working just fine now, (after 4 months ¬¬)....I will try to get my shipping money back from US Merchants, bastards.
RAWR!
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My solution to the white screen!
I though how stupid I was since I didnt took pictures, but let me explain.
Using the hardware breakdown pics.
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I draw a Red Square in the "affected part".
In the top of the square is one end of the cable, in my case this was correct. The other end is underneath the motherboard, so you have to take out all the screws for the motherboard to check the other end, this was completely off.
I dont know if this will help everybody, because I gotta say for myself, the bumping in the bottom right didnt worked for me, not even once and I SMASHED the thing really hard!
Cheers
Paul
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BTW, US MERCHANTS warranty told me someone screwed up on their side, I should have gotten a new tablet ¬¬. Anyways, I'm trying to make a deal with them, since I paid like 50 dls for shipment (I live in Mexico..) and they didnt do anything. Will let you know maybe I get a free dock!!!

[Q] Car Mode?

For the past day or two my phone has been enabling car mode.
I haven't made any major updates in a while either. What is really pissing me off is that it's disabling any sound coming from the phone and it is closing some apps instantly. It is happening whether my phone is plugged in or not, and if i want to use the phone for storage over usb and car mode decides to activate the computer claims it has been disconnected though the phone says it's still charging.
Is there any way to get rid of it? I don't have a car, or any sort of dock for the phone. I really have no use for whatever it was meant to do and I'd really like it gone...
Any ideas/suggestions?
I never had a problem with car mode activating at random, however I hate car mode and the Google car app with a burning passion, so what I did is...
- Uninstalled the Google Car Home app via Titanium Backup
- Downloaded (and subsequently purchased) the app NoDock. NoDock prevents your phone from going into car mode altogether, and its saved me a lot of frustration. I think its $1.99, but don't quote me. There's a trial you can get first for 7 days, I'd recommend that.
That;s obviously a road requiring you pay to fix the problem (and it might not even...) However, if your phone is acting abnormal for no reason, ie you haven't neglected it or played soccer with it, then vzw should replace it... But I have no experience with that, so that's all I've got for ya, sorry! Best of luck.
I looked for the trial version ad it doesn't seem to be out there anymore... The full version still advertises it as to use the trial before buying, but I can't seem to find it...
At this point the phone isn't making any progress charging and it is continuously connecting/disconnecting from the computer...
If it doesn't start working might have to un-root and bring it in >.>
my tbolt lately as well activates car mode when i am in the car but i hate it and want it dead... it happened after installing gingeritis.... but it also did it on das bamf gb... i refuse to give up my gb so i will execute the app!!
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my tbolt lately as well activates car mode when i am in the car but i hate it and want it dead... it happened after installing gingeritis.... but it also did it on das bamf gb... i refuse to give up my gb so i will execute the app!!
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Well, deleting Google's Car Home app will prevent that from launching, however, the Thunderbolt itself has a "car mode" that it will enable when the dock trigger is activated. So, unfortunately, simply deleting the Car Home app might not solve your entire problem, but its worth a shot nonetheless. Also, I'm not sure that NoDock will work with a GB-based ROM, but that, too, is worth giving a try!
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I looked for the trial version ad it doesn't seem to be out there anymore... The full version still advertises it as to use the trial before buying, but I can't seem to find it...
At this point the phone isn't making any progress charging and it is continuously connecting/disconnecting from the computer...
If it doesn't start working might have to un-root and bring it in >.>
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In all honesty, if its not even charging anymore, un-root, wipe, and nand that puppy and send 'er in. I know that the TB is unique in that it doesn't use a magnet to activate Car Mode like previous HTC phones, but instead it uses (to my knowledge) a short in the USB slot to decide whether the phone is docked or not. So problems with USB mounting, charging, docking when not docked, etc. would seem to indicate that you have some sort of problem with the port itself. That's just a shot in the dark, but man, I'd have sent that in yesterday
And as for NoDock, I just looked, and I can't find the trial either
To some extent it is still working. It isn't getting any charge, but if I unplug the phone it turns off almost instantly. Seems like it will be hell to move the stock stuff over to the phone to flash it, but looks like that's what its come to... Guess I'm bringing it in tomorrow...
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To some extent it is still working. It isn't getting any charge, but if I unplug the phone it turns off almost instantly. Seems like it will be hell to move the stock stuff over to the phone to flash it, but looks like that's what its come to... Guess I'm bringing it in tomorrow...
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If you have a friend with a smartphone or even any kind of bluetooth-capable storage device, you could send the files to yourself via BT... It may not be the fastest, but it might save you some major frustration. But yeah dude, that sounds straight messed up. Best of luck.
I just put the sd card into my laptop to transfer. Back on stock (feels soo different...) No more car mode... But the phone still isn't charging... Until I can bring it in I guess I'll make the phone look like it isn't brand new again...
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I just put the sd card into my laptop to transfer. Back on stock (feels soo different...) No more car mode... But the phone still isn't charging... Until I can bring it in I guess I'll make the phone look like it isn't brand new again...
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Either way, as far as I know, VZW checks for two things:
1) Obvious evidence of negligence and/or intentional damage
2) Something I don't remember that has nothing to do with root
So you should be in the clear, if anything just say you did a factory reset yourself to try to fix the problem
Well as it did when I rooted it, it recovered all of my apps w/o me having to do anything. So the phone already looks the way it did before excluding homescreen stuff and an empty inbox/contacts atm. And the most damage there is, is a small scratch where there was already an air bubble on my screen protector. If they would have ever made a case that fit the extended battery that probably wouldn't even be there =o
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Well as it did when I rooted it, it recovered all of my apps w/o me having to do anything. So the phone already looks the way it did before excluding homescreen stuff and an empty inbox/contacts atm. And the most damage there is, is a small scratch where there was already an air bubble on my screen protector. If they would have ever made a case that fit the extended battery that probably wouldn't even be there =o
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Haha yeah I feel you on that one. I think the type of negligence they look for is more like a mangled looking device with the customer claiming innocence. You should be fine in my opinion.
hmm... just woke up, about to bring in the phone, which did manage to charge overnight. noticed i still have a rotating rosie and it looks like i'm still undervolted as my kernel was doing earlier. well neither highly noticable as bad things... and car mode did come back today so, i'll be bringing it in now...
Go for it bro, I really doubt they'll check for little stuff like that, especially considering the bigger issue of car mode and your charging problems. Good luck though!
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never herd of this before
Unable to get out today, so I've been looking into other options for now.
This seems to be what it's used for though I've never been given these options when the phone goes into car mode. The icon shows up in the notification bar identical to the picture.
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On the VZW site these are their solutions. (none worked for me being there is no water damage and the port looks fine from what i can see, still gonna have to bring it in...)
Maybe this can help someoneelse if anyone runs into this problem or bring more options to try to help me fix it.
From what I can see, the first picture is of HTC's car home application, as opposed to Google's. When your phone enters car mode, the default action is to launch one if those applications, unless you've manually removed them. The fact that your phone enters car mode but launches nothing is abnormal in and of itself, not to mention the fact that it shouldn't be activating car mode in the first place.
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I did manage to make it to the vzw store and they were surprised to see car mode on the phone at all. The lady at the store took out the battery, restarted the phone and concluded that I would get a replacement after the bill that was just paid like yesterday clears with them.
Good! Hopefully all goes well and you'll have a functional device soon
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Future of the g watch?

Hey all. I picked up a g watch during the last cowboom sale for 80$ shipped. I've got about 4 days to decide if its worth keeping or refunding. So far (in 4 days of ownership) I haven't seen it as something more than a novelty accessory. I really want to like it, but I can't seem to find something its good at. Maybe I'm missing something. What do you guys think?
I just got mine too, but I really like it.....
First, I have to have my phone encrypted for work reasons. Having the Wear Unlock feature is a Godsend.
Second, I really like having my email and other notifications right there on my wrist. 90% of the emails I get are unimportant, but the other 10% are critically important. Before having the watch, I didn't check my email as much as I should have due to the amount of low importance email. Now with the watch, it is quick and easy to see an incoming message and immediately delete the unimportant ones.
Third, I love Google Now. It may start out feeling like a gimmick, but the more you use it, the more you will depend on it as a important feature. I was really starting to use this feature on my phone (G3), but it was a pain to get my phone and turn the screen on before I could use it. Having the watch allows this experience to be much quicker since I don't have to touch my phone. It's even better than the Moto X with it's "always listening" mode because you get the results right on the watch. Sure, there are sometimes that I need to push the results to the phone, but many times I am fine with viewing the information right on the watch. Checking the traffic conditions is something I do regularly - even when traveling on secondary roads and not the highway.
Fourth - Navigation on the watch. Having the turn by turn directions on the watch means I can leave my phone screen turned off when using navigation. I don't have a car mount for my car, so trying to position the phone where I could watch the navigation queues was a pain. In fact, many times I simply listened to the voice instructions which wasn't ideal. Now having the steps appear on the watch is great!
Fifth, I like having the incoming phone calls vibrate the watch. I would miss calls sometimes because I didn't hear my phone ringing or feel it vibrate (if on silent). Now I'm much less likely to miss a call.
I use all of these features all the time, but it is especially nice to be able to put my phone down when I get home and not have to carry it around with me. I can place it in the middle of our house (in the Den) and it will stay connected to the watch pretty much wherever I am in the house. It's great to still get notifications and see who is calling without having to run to look at my phone.
Those are just some features off the top of my head that I have enjoyed with the new watch.
I guess I've just got to get used to using google now more often. Thanks for the detailed uses, I can definitely see it being a good tool. I've decided to keep the watch.
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I guess I've just got to get used to using google now more often. Thanks for the detailed uses, I can definitely see it being a good tool. I've decided to keep the watch.
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Yeah, it takes some getting use to. If you are into sports, it's great to "look up" sports scores, game times, etc ("what's the Clemson score"). I use it for traffic all the time (as noted above). Helping the kids with homework? Answers to questions are just a "OK Google" away..... It's also really easy to set alarms and reminders. I use it a lot when I now I have to do something in 20 mins - "set alarm for 20 min" is all it takes. It's also easy to send short texts or place calls with your voice.....
There is a lot that Google Now can do. Most people just never take the time to explore the options because it is a little awkward to use on the phone. But it's great to use on the watch!
Good luck! I think for $80, the watch is a great buy.....
I love google now, but i get so many wake locks for usually location even with airplane mode and only wifi mode on sitting at work without moving. I don't know how people put up with the drain on the phone :/. Is the watch still helpful if I don't use google now? I ordered one from google on black friday.
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I love google now, but i get so many wake locks for usually location even with airplane mode and only wifi mode on sitting at work without moving. I don't know how people put up with the drain on the phone :/. Is the watch still helpful if I don't use google now? I ordered one from google on black friday.
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I am getting good deep sleep/battery life on my phone connected to my G watch. I turn off location reporting and history for all my Google accounts under settings->location->google location reporting. It may limit a few features, but most google now cards still come through my watch. Plus It feels creepy that google knows my location 24/7.
Another battery saver is to turn off scanning always available in advanced WiFi settings.
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I am getting good deep sleep/battery life on my phone connected to my G watch. I turn off location reporting and history for all my Google accounts under settings->location->google location reporting. It may limit a few features, but most google now cards still come through my watch. Plus It feels creepy that google knows my location 24/7.
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I'm also obsessive about battery life on my LG G3, and I use App Ops Starter to limit Location services for almost all apps. Part of the reason I ditched Google Now almost immediately was its stated mission to know everything about me, including where I was at all times. But...perhaps with my new G Watch (waiting to be shipped from BB), the trade-off in using the watch as opposed to my phone (the G3's screen eats up most of the battery usage) will allow me to re-instate Google Now.
I've noticed that since I've made this thread that the battery life on my phone has gotten better despite bluetooth being on all the time. The screen probably doesn't drain nearly as much as a g3 (I've got a z1c),but it's definitely noticeable.

Time-Delay Relays for Constant Power to Radio during cranking / after car turned off

Hi folks, I had earlier cobbled together a way for battery power to be constantly supplied to the Radio via a second battery and battery isolator device. You can see what i speak of here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...iliary-batter-battery-isolator-radio-t3417196
This is a bit drawn out and expensive, but I put it out there for those that are looking for a direct solution.
Here are other ideas which will work fine instead with less screwing around:
12V DELAY TIMER SWITCH 30 SECONDS SUPPLY MODULE - 10 amps @ 28v DC (?)
https://www.itead.cc/wiki/12V_DELAY_TIMER_SWITCH_30_SECONDS_SUPPLY_MODULE - $10.70
* MZL-10 Delay Timer - 12v 30 amp - Starts timing when ignition turns off
http://www.acdcind.com/mzl-10-delay-timer.html - $72.55
* Powerwerx DC Automatic Power Switch/Timer - 25 amps @ 12V DC
https://powerwerx.com/automatic-dc-timer-power-switch - $69.99
(I've used a Powerwerx battery isolator on the previous project and it works well, no complaints.)
* GERI Newer Version 12V Multifunction Relay Cycle Timer Module - Programmable with Customized Settings (Increased to 18 Modes) - 10 amps @ 28v DC (?)
https://www.amazon.com/Newer-Version-Multifunction-Relay-Module/dp/B00VR1F3LC/ - $15.80
(I have this but haven't tinkered with this yet.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFTVXJpWJQ4 <-- Here it is in action, all 18 functions demonstrated. I think you'd want program #10. http://goo.gl/5WU8Lf <-- Official manual, in chinglish. :-/
Also, maybe:
Power Disconnect Timer:
http://www.poweringthenetwork.com/power-timer/ $$?????
Any of the above would be a good deal for keeping power to the radio while starting the car, and briefly keeping power on while, say, running into the store to get something quick. Great for avoiding annoying reboots while doing quick errands.
Note that will all of the above you'll have a small trickle amount of standby current going to the module. Something to keep in mind.
Any questions?
I guess this depends on your car, with my car during cranking the radio stays on, also most MCUs allow you to set up to a 2 hour delay for standby. So from stock it covers everything you need with no additional wiring or any other parts.
jakejm79 said:
I guess this depends on your car, with my car during cranking the radio stays on, also most MCUs allow you to set up to a 2 hour delay for standby. So from stock it covers everything you need with no additional wiring or any other parts.
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Noted, it does indeed depend on the car. On my car, while cranking all power to the radio was cut, so my old Pumpkin radio with the RK3188 CPU would do a 30-second reboot every time I turned the car off. If I just ran into the store for 5 minutes, or briefly dropped by a friends place to pick something up... another reboot!
And there was positively zero in the system settings or MCU settings for standby mode or anything of the like.
So other options had to be explored, like these above or the 2nd battery with the isolator unit.
It's sad we have to cobble together other workarounds to deal with the limitations of this older technology, but "that’s the breaks" as the older generation would say...
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Noted, it does indeed depend on the car. On my car, while cranking all power to the radio was cut, so my old Pumpkin radio with the RK3188 CPU would do a 30-second reboot every time I turned the car off. If I just ran into the store for 5 minutes, or briefly dropped by a friends place to pick something up... another reboot!
And there was positively zero in the system settings or MCU settings for standby mode or anything of the like.
So other options had to be explored, like these above or the 2nd battery with the isolator unit.
It's sad we have to cobble together other workarounds to deal with the limitations of this older technology, but "that’s the breaks" as the older generation would say...
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Maybe try looking for a newer MCU? Also you could just tap into a wire that doesn't get cut during cranking (but does when the car is off) for the red ACC wire in the radio loom, IME the radios are pretty acceptable of low voltage during cranking from the draw from the starter so no other mods necessary.
Depends again on the radio and the car. The radio may or may not cooperate in this affair, even with an MCU upgrade.
I wrote about some solutions here earlier:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...iliary-batter-battery-isolator-radio-t3417196
Here's the straightforward illustration.
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The problem with this is if you forget to turn off the radio your battery can go dead. So a manual switch on the ACC line is an option.
Or a switch on a timer, like I show above.
It'd be nice if the radio manufacturers had a large, say, 1000uF capacitor thrown into the back of the head unit enclosure to prevent it from timing out, but that's extra pennies per unit and all that.
Hi,
i have the same problem here, if i go for 5 minutes away from the car it dont shutsdown. so far so good. But when i get back in the car and cranking up the engine the usb 3g Stick stops working. i think its because of the very short powerloss when cranking. that way it dont restarts itself and is then is stuck in some kind of preboot or just hangs somwhere. if have to disconnect the 3g stick and then it takes a minute to get back to normal. anyone got a solution? maybe some kind of capacitor on the powercable to the usb stick? or one of the mentioned delay switches? Thanks!
edibar said:
Hi,
i have the same problem here, if i go for 5 minutes away from the car it dont shutsdown. so far so good. But when i get back in the car and cranking up the engine the usb 3g Stick stops working. i think its because of the very short powerloss when cranking. that way it dont restarts itself and is then is stuck in some kind of preboot or just hangs somwhere. if have to disconnect the 3g stick and then it takes a minute to get back to normal. anyone got a solution? maybe some kind of capacitor on the powercable to the usb stick? or one of the mentioned delay switches? Thanks!
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Consider two options -
External - fit diode and capacitor to ACC power line. This is described elsewhere in the forums with instructions and component values.
Internal - solder capacitor (value approx 47uf 25v) to internal acc line zener diode anode side of ACC line. - view schematic in my sig to deduce how to do this.
Both options use a capacitor to delay turn off when cranking
thread bump.
I just got a android unit (mtce) for an audi A4. OEM radio got a ''no key radio ON'' feature. (about 1hr)
I'm looking to get this feature back, in that exact sequence :
Starting with radio ON and Engine ON
1- Stop engine, remove keys
2- headunit shut-down immediatly
3- Press power button (in that case a timer button), headunit ON for 1hr.
All these devices are almost what I'm looking for, but the step No2...
I need a kind of external button to power ON the headunit with no keys, independently from the ingnition key.
possible? arduino project?

LG G6 Moisture Detection Fix!!

Ladies and gentleman,
For too long i have had this moisture detection problem. I have read "how to fix it" threads forever and to be honest. They don't work. I've disabled the moisture detect setting, soft reset my phone, cleaned my usb c port thousanda of times and nothing seems to work. However! I have the cure for good (until lg send us an update that eliminates this problem for us)
To fix this problem for good here it is! (well until you restart your phone you'll have to re do this step)
Go into your settings > apps and notifications > apps info > click the 3 dots top right corner > click show system > scroll all way to lg system server > click on it and then click force stop!
I really do hope this works for a lot if not all of you because it has rescued me from hell!
You are welcome
Thankyou. Can you tell me is your phone recognized by computer? Cause mine's just charging
Interesting approach in light of what seems to be an increasingly common problem. Of course, it brings up some questions.
Most importantly, we don't know for sure what is causing the warning to be activated. It is there for a purpose and if you really have some conductivity between pins that shouldn't be there (whether due to debris or a faulty port), it might not be a good idea to bypass it. On the other hand, if this is a software bug (e.g a threshhold mis-set or incorrect sensor reading code) then a software fix is all you can do.
And we don't know what else "LG System Server" does. Maybe it is not such a good idea to disable it, or maybe you'll be overall happier anyway!
At any rate, if it is really beneficial to run this way, maybe you can disable it with LG package disabler and then you don't have to stop it every time you boot your phone. For me, if this starts happening so frequently, I'll really consider making use of the 2nd year promise.
Update 1: The problem was getting worse. I couldn't even charge while powered off. I tried force stopping this to see what happened. The notification went away until I plugged in the charger to see if it would charge (it didn't). I thought maybe LG System Server had started again, but when I went to force stop it again, the option was grayed out.
Update 2. I would like to save myself the hassle of the 2-year promise if it's really not needed, so I tried one more thing. I had previously tried wiping in the port with alcohol, which didn't help at all, but just now I tried electrical contact cleaner (CRC brand "2-26" part number 02004) that says it's plastic-safe. I put some on a paper towel, folded it around my pointy nylon zip tie end I use for pulling out the lint, and wiped the contacts as well as I could without getting the stuff all over everything.
It is too early to declare complete victory yet but it is fast charging now.
And... that lasted for about 15 minutes.
Akash i have no problems plugging my phone into the computer, i am unsure where your issue lies. Further, jdock my phone is still working fine since ive force stopped my system server. There has been no glitches since and my phone charges accordingly! Goodluck to you!
So, yesterday I cleaned the usb port out with contact cleaner. This initially seemed to fix my problem: when I powered on my phone I did not get the moisture warning so I plugged in the charger and it fast charged, but only for about 15 minutes before giving me the warning again. It would toggle between charging and not charging so I unplugged the charger and set the phone aside.
After a couple hours I tried charging again and it fully fast-charged. So I thought maybe there was really something to this. I re-did the cleaning process again last night, just to make sure I am doing the best job I can, and did not attempt to charge overnight so that the solvent could continue to do its job. So far this morning it is still fine and it fully quick-charged again.
A permanent fix? I hope so. It's still way too early to be sure. Cleaning the port seemed to me the obvious answer whenever I heard about someone else having this problem, and it was my first thought when I started having it. But we all thought we had cleaned out the port and it didn't help. What if we're just not doing a good enough job?
For anyone with this problem, it can't hurt to try some CRC 2-26. Its description is "Plastic safe lubricant, penetrant and corrosion inhibitor that helps prevent electrical malfunctions caused by water penetration, humidity, condensation or corrosion". Maybe use the CRC QD contact cleaner first because the 2-26 is technically not really a cleaner. They are inexpensive.I just picked the 2-26 because they had it at Home Depot - about $3 for the 5 oz can that will last me forever (the QD is about the same). If I have to do this every few months, no big deal.
Just don't try to spray it directly into the port. You will make a huge oily mess. Figure out some kind of applicator. I ended up stuffing saturated paper towel on each side of the port and rubbing it around with a thin toothpick.
In my case putting my phone into a box with rice over night helped! Although fast charging doesn't work now!
In my case, the moisture warning was triggered by having my phone in my shirt pocket on a very hot, humid and sweaty day. Tried everything and nothing worked until I tried taking the sim/SD tray out overnight while leaving the phone on a warm surface.
The reasoning being that moisture may have been sucked in the phone due to heating/cooling the air inside pulling a vacuum.
Opening the sim/SD tray let the moisture evaporate. It's been a couple of days, and the moisture warning has not come back.
I had the same problem and i tried everything stoping lg syst..restart ...hair dryer even tho i my phone never touched water.what i found is dust and fiber tissue from my pocket was inside the connector , i used a tooth pick to clean it a little bit of alcohol just to make sure its really clean , and thats it. I hope i helped. Sorry for the english.
I had this problem playing PUBG with sweaty hands.
I solved it by playing without a phone case and letting the phone dry. I am guessing my case was trapping the moisture?
The option that its working for me now its leaving my phone on bed with a hairdryer next to it for about 25 minutes. The phone should be off, then i wait until it cooldown because it was really hot. After it cooled i try again pluging in the cable and start charging. I hope that the warning dont show again
Kevin you will destroy your battery doing that.
I had reoccurring moisture detected, even when cable was not plugged in. I send it back under warranty. Attached is a screenshot of the diagnose from LG's service center. It also lists the replaced components (you can google the part numbers).
Language on the attachment is a mixture of German and Dutch.
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Kevin you will destroy your battery doing that.
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I know the message pop up again. I didnt do that again.
The method that really worked for me was using a toothpick and flattened it with a pair of pliers then carefully cleaned the usb type-c charge port. So far so good, I only do that once and now I have got a week charging the phone normally without that warning, it really works for me, you guys definitely should try this.
Thank you for your idea. Sure would like to see lg admit to the problem and provide a solution.i have the lg g7. Thanks again
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ladies and gentleman,
for too long i have had this moisture detection problem. I have read "how to fix it" threads forever and to be honest. They don't work. I've disabled the moisture detect setting, soft reset my phone, cleaned my usb c port thousanda of times and nothing seems to work. However! I have the cure for good (until lg send us an update that eliminates this problem for us)
to fix this problem for good here it is! (well until you restart your phone you'll have to re do this step)
go into your settings > apps and notifications > apps info > click the 3 dots top right corner > click show system > scroll all way to lg system server > click on it and then click force stop!
I really do hope this works for a lot if not all of you because it has rescued me from hell!
You are welcome
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I have this issue but the fix does not worked for me.
The message appeared randomly while charging one night. It was nowhere near water for several months and I work in an office.
What I've tried:
- Drying with a hairdryer (not even a temporary fix)
- Force stopping LG system and LG server processes. I even disabled them with package disabler!
- Disabled the moisture sensor in secret menu. Warning still shows up! Even if I try to turn of the phone and charge it.
- Cleaned the USB C socket with a hairpin and cloth
- Cleaned under running water, swapped with alcohol and dried again (getting desperate)
It does however charge if I plug unplug it in like 5 times. Really annoying!
It does this regardless of charging cable, I tried with 5 cables at home and work.
I read somewhere that the pins were causing a short, but the pins are inside the cable right?
What else can I try?
My Solution
Having same issue for 3 days, have been try 3 different cable and 2 charger doesnt sholve the issue.
At first im trying to clean the port with a needle, and the moisture notification dissapear. But after that the fast charging didnt work, and when i try to charge while the phone turn off the moisture notification pop out.
Next day im trying other methods. I dont have access to isoprophyl instead im using hand sanitizer with 70% alcohol. Use a toothbrush with hand sanitizer to clean the port for 3 minutes, then let it dry. Now everything works perfectly, no notification and the fast charging work. Atleast for now. I'll give an update if something wrong
I still dont understand what cause this moisture issue, but i hope that can help you.
I think I may know a fix
In the stock dialer type in *#546368#*XXX#
Where XXX is the number of the model where you can find in Settings - system - about phone - common - hardware info "Model number" eg. Mine is LG-M700DSK. So, 700 fills in XXX. So mine would be *#546368#*700#.
Don't call, it will bring a hidden menu when input last digit. In hidden menu press svc menu, press moisture detection, turn Disable moisture detection to ON. It should give you a caution dialog, just accept it and it will bring a toast that says "sucess". This should disable moisture detection and will not notify about it.
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I think I may know a fix
In the stock dialer type in *#546368#*XXX#
Where XXX is the number of the model where you can find in Settings - system - about phone - common - hardware info "Model number" eg. Mine is LG-M700DSK. So, 700 fills in XXX. So mine would be *#546368#*700#.
Don't call, it will bring a hidden menu when input last digit. In hidden menu press svc menu, press moisture detection, turn Disable moisture detection to ON. It should give you a caution dialog, just accept it and it will bring a toast that says "sucess". This should disable moisture detection and will not notify about it.
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Thanks for the tip, but I tried before. In my case, turning it on or off is not a solution. They didnt work both way
After all the **** I did, I found my problem and solution.
It was because of my charging cable that had bent pins, yet oddly enough the moisture detected error persisted with other cables.
Thru away that cable, then reset the phone cache and soft reboot (volume down + power)
Hope this helps.
Doesn't work
I don't have the option to force stop.
Do you think a wireless charger would work?

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