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Finally got fed up with this dog-turd of a phone, and ordered a Nokia Lumia 822 as a replacement.
I have been with Android since flashing Donut onto my HTC Vogue, and while it was fun at first, I'm at a point now I just want my phone to work, with no need to constantly flash ROMs to get things to work well. I'm also tired of the constant lags/freezes that seem to still plague Android phones, so I've decided to take the plunge and move to a WP8 phone.
Anyway, the reason I'm writing this post is to see if anyone here has any interest in my documenting my experiences making the switch. If you want me to post here, let me know. If not, well, let me know that too. :silly:
Mike
Yes. I jumped to an iphone 4s after the dx2. Yes.
aviwdoowks said:
Yes. I jumped to an iphone 4s after the dx2. Yes.
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Juice... I responded to the op. Why don't you do the same?
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Juice... I responded to the op. Why don't you do the same?
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You know people are allowed to discuss things in threads, and not ONLY reply to the OP, right?
@OP: I don't think I could ever go from an Android phone to a Win8 phone. It's just not the same. Plus, I'm pretty sure I'd lose a lot of apps... Though, I am looking for a cheap ICS/JB replacement for my X2, anyone have a suggestion there? Looking at the Droid Bionic, but even that is fairly expensive...
You picked a bad time to switch. Android up until ICS has been pretty crappy. I came from webOS and when I was using that, I thought Android was clunky and a little ugly. This is when Gingerbread was the newest version. I made the switch because webOS was going nowhere and there was no way in hell I was switching to an iPhone. Since the Droid X2 was my first Android phone, I came into android with a not so perfect experience thanks to Motorola and their locked down ways. I used ICS and JB when they were released on the DX2 but we all know they werent perfect. I was lucky enough to be given a Galaxy Nexus and since then, my thoughts on Android have gotten a lot better. You dont know what you are missing until you use a phone thats able to fully run the latest version of Android. Lag is pretty much gone. Everything works as it should. And Android is just getting better with every update. You say you have been using Android since the old Android days. Thats why I say you picked a bad time to switch because those were the crappy android days.
As far as Windows Phone, I have nothing against it. It looks great. My girlfriend is actually making the switch from Android to WP8 this month too. Shes not as much of a customizer as I am when it comes to phones so I think she will be happy with it. Also, it will give me a chance to check it out for myself. Not that I will ever switch. I'm sticking with Android and looking forward to their next unveiling in the next couple months.
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You picked a bad time to switch. Android up until ICS has been pretty crappy. I came from webOS and when I was using that, I thought Android was clunky and a little ugly. This is when Gingerbread was the newest version. I made the switch because webOS was going nowhere and there was no way in hell I was switching to an iPhone. Since the Droid X2 was my first Android phone, I came into android with a not so perfect experience thanks to Motorola and their locked down ways. I used ICS and JB when they were released on the DX2 but we all know they werent perfect. I was lucky enough to be given a Galaxy Nexus and since then, my thoughts on Android have gotten a lot better. You dont know what you are missing until you use a phone thats able to fully run the latest version of Android. Lag is pretty much gone. Everything works as it should. And Android is just getting better with every update. You say you have been using Android since the old Android days. Thats why I say you picked a bad time to switch because those were the crappy android days.
As far as Windows Phone, I have nothing against it. It looks great. My girlfriend is actually making the switch from Android to WP8 this month too. Shes not as much of a customizer as I am when it comes to phones so I think she will be happy with it. Also, it will give me a chance to check it out for myself. Not that I will ever switch. I'm sticking with Android and looking forward to their next unveiling in the next couple months.
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I appreciate what you are saying here, and I agree that then new phones are better in this regard than before. However the only phones that even remotely come close to the speed of the WP8 phones are the flagship phones, which are at least $200 on contract or $650 off. No thanks.
And hey, maybe I'll like the new phone, maybe not. The only way to know is to try, so I'm going to give it a try. I'm certainly not trying to convince anyone to switch, just thought my experience may provide value to others.
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I appreciate what you are saying here, and I agree that then new phones are better in this regard than before. However the only phones that even remotely come close to the speed of the WP8 phones are the flagship phones, which are at least $200 on contract or $650 off. No thanks.
And hey, maybe I'll like the new phone, maybe not. The only way to know is to try, so I'm going to give it a try. I'm certainly not trying to convince anyone to switch, just thought my experience may provide value to others.
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For sure. I'm sure everyone here appreciates you sharing your experience. I'll be curious to know what you think of WP8 when you finally get it.
OP, to be honest, i felt the same way after dealing with the x2. after all we had gone through, i was just fed up. i wanted a phone that would just... work. My opinion has changed completely since i switched. after the x2, i got a rezound. it too was plagued with similar issues, and dealing with the lack of support and bad battery i nearly bought an iphone.since i got a RAZR M, my opinion has nearly 180'd. with the snapdragon s4, all my issues with android had literally melted away. with jellybeans smooth butteryness, the improved battery life, and overall impressive features, i will never leave android. even on stock, i rarely ever have horrendous battery or any stuttering whatsoever. had i been in your shoes, i definately would have held out for the SGS4, with the snapdragon 600, battery and smoothness with only go up. now, everyone has their opinions, but it seems your opinion was a little to vague and blunt in judging android as a whole. <-- thats my opinion, if anyone is interested.
My 822 got here last night, I haven't had a chance to do too much to it yet, but I'll give you my first impressions:
1. Build - Polycarbonate body is fine except for the back cover, which feels like it is going to break when you pull it off. One thing you have to give Motorola is that their phones are built like tanks, with aluminum bodies.
2. Screen - Screen is an AMOLED screen. Decided I'm not a fan. Has very nice contrast, but the oranges/browns/red look butt-awful. The 840x480 screen is a actually a benefit for me, at least, because it causes the fonts to be rendered larger than they would be on the X2, and are easier on my eyes. Plus less pixels to push means better speed from the phone.
3. Speed - Whoo boy, does this thing FLY!
That's all I will report on for now, I need some time to customize/configure the device before I come to any conclusions regarding the usability of the OS and/or app issues.
For anyone interested in differences in a few apps comparing Android, iOS and WP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bmERIowNKM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Ok, so Ive had the new phone for a little over a week now, which I beilieve takes me past the "honeymoon" period, and here are my thoughts:
The metro interface is really starting to grow on me. When I first saw the live tiles I thought "Uggh!! that's just nasty". But they look much nicer on the phone than they do on a picture on the internet. Probably due to the high contrast AMOLED display.
I still dislike the nasty oranges/browns on the device, but I've mostly stopped noticing it now.
The device feels smaller than the X2, even though it has ostensibly the same size screen as the X2. In fact, I would probably prefer a slightly larger size to get a larger screen area.
The device is slick, and has fallen out of my hand a couple of times. Almost fell into the crapper once! Definitely getting a case for this.
The screen resolution differences are a non-issue IMHO.
The camera quality is about the same as the X2, maybe a little better. MUCH faster to start, though, no longer missing the moment waiting for the camera to start.
Speaking of the camera, holy hell is Cinemagraph a cool feature. It takes a picture along with 5 seconds of video, allowing you to create a moving snapshot effect, similar to the NFL player intros on TV or the moving pictures from the Harry Potter movies.
There has been some extra work getting things setup, as I still want to retain my google accounts, but once done it is seemless enough.
In terms of speed and usability this phone blows away any Android device I've ever used, (including my Nexus 7). There is simply no comparison in this department.
Nokia Maps and Drive are not quite as nice as the Google maps and Navigator, but still very good. Not really missing anything here.
As far as apps that I miss, there really isn't much. iHeartradio is probably the big one, and they have a WP7 app so a WP8 on is expected to be coming shortly. Nokia Music fills in for iHeartRadio for now. There are a few other apps missing, but IE10 does such a nice job with mobile websites that it's just not a big deal.
I am fast becoming a fan of Nokia. Their custom apps are fantastic, and they have shown a real commitment to improving WP8 along. Whereas with Motorola phones you get an outdated, buggy OS, bloatware, and few updates, Nokia apps are superb and they are continually adding cool new features to their phones. Motorola still probably has the edge in build quality, especially with the aluminum bodies. I want my phones to last a few years, so build quality does matter to me.
There are a few things that I would like to see added, like separate volume controls, the ability to pin individual settings to the start menu, and a webkit browser, but these are relatively minor issues.
The apps are definitely fewer than what is available on Android. But the quality of the apps is significantly better as well. They are almost universally more polished and beautiful than their Android counterparts.
Overall I am loving this phone. Especially since I got it in new condition for under $200 bucks.
As I was reading Engadget yesterday I saw a couple of articles, one on the Broid Bionic finally getting upgraded to Jelly Bean, and the other one on how the HTC One bootloader is going to be locked for AT&T, I realized just how much crap one has to deal with on an Android phone. I will NOT miss any of this.
For those who contributed to the development on the X2, my sincerest thanks. You helped make a crap phone more bearable.
I may peruse the X2 forums from time to time for nostalgia's sake, but otherwise I think I won't be coming here much more. Best of luck to all of you, and hopefully DZK can get you a nice bug-free Jelly Bean build some day.
Mike
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Thank you for the review. I chose the dx2 for the lack of a call termination beep. As in other Moto's at the time. And these beeps are always passed to a Bluetooth headset. My iphone 4s does the same damn thing.
What about the Nokia?
I just tried this, when the caller hangs up you get a triple beep. I don't know about over bluetooth, though.
I actually like this feature.
I use the Plantronics Voyager Pro HD and it is very loud because the dynamic range not compressed and this tone is much louder than the voices.
I also notice that the tone is much louder ( iphone ) when it is a Vzw phone terminating on the other end- strange.
golfnz34me said:
I just tried this, when the caller hangs up you get a triple beep. I don't know about over bluetooth, though.
I actually like this feature.
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Are you still with this 822?
I tried it out. I really liked it at first but but WP8 is not ready for "prime time" Now this is truly "dog turd" OS . You cannot even cut & paste between apps!! Need I say more.
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Are you still with this 822?
I tried it out. I really liked it at first but but WP8 is not ready for "prime time" Now this is truly "dog turd" OS . You cannot even cut & paste between apps!! Need I say more.
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http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/how-to/wp7/basics/copy-and-paste
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http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/how-to/wp7/basics/copy-and-paste
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Are you saying that it has been fixed? What about pasting to the dialer?
No matter I went to the Razr m.
Do you have a wp8?
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Are you saying that it has been fixed? What about pasting to the dialer?
No matter I went to the Razr m.
Do you have a wp8?
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Oh, I dont know. I just searched it. But apparently its there. I couldnt imagine a phone that cant do that these days. I dont have a WP8 phone but my girlfriend does.
so they said first quarter.... Has there been any news on if/when? Should we just assume April?
Bobvark said:
so they said first quarter.... Has there been any news on if/when? Should we just assume April?
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They actually said first half, not first quarter. Honestly I'll be shocked if it gets updated.
At this point, I don't even care about Huawei's Lollipop. I'm starting to doubt it will happen.
I'll just wait quietly for CM12. :good:
Won't matter. I'm sticking with what mine came with. It's fast & STABLE. Unless the time comes an app REQUIRES
5.x, I'm leaving mine alone. You know that if/when 5 is released, it will probably take a couple of updates to fix bugs that
will pop up, plus, Huawei, like any other device manufacturer wants people to buy new devices, so it is always in their best
interest, be it a manufacturer, carrier provider or whoever, to not push updates, but talk people into throwing away a 1 year
old device, and buying a new one. It's just business...not saying its right, but that is the way it is.
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Won't matter. I'm sticking with what mine came with. It's fast & STABLE. Unless the time comes an app REQUIRES
5.x, I'm leaving mine alone. You know that if/when 5 is released, it will probably take a couple of updates to fix bugs that
will pop up, plus, Huawei, like any other device manufacturer wants people to buy new devices, so it is always in their best
interest, be it a manufacturer, carrier provider or whoever, to not push updates, but talk people into throwing away a 1 year
old device, and buying a new one. It's just business...not saying its right, but that is the way it is.
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Not true actually. People won't buy from a manufacturer that doesn't release updates. Plain and simple as that. It's in their best interest to update to new version. If you watched what happened when they said they wouldn't release KitKat you would know that.
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Not true actually. People won't buy from a manufacturer that doesn't release updates. Plain and simple as that. It's in their best interest to update to new version. If you watched what happened when they said they wouldn't release KitKat you would know that.
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I'm starting to suspect this guy might be getting some sort of kickback from Huawei or something . He consistently pops up in any thread about updates to quickly disregard it and sing the praises of the current build. He always throws that little hint of doubt that the new build might be buggy and won't be as stable or good as it currently is. It's just a little fishy.
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I'm starting to suspect this guy might be getting some sort of kickback from Huawei or something . He consistently pops up in any thread about updates to quickly disregard it and sing the praises of the current build. He always throws that little hint of doubt that the new build might be buggy and won't be as stable or good as it currently is. It's just a little fishy.
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I don't think Huawei would endorse what he just said, nor would they be likely to give him any sort of kickback for saying it! Seriously, read it again and ask yourself if that's really likely.
He's a bit of a missionary, but what has he said that isn't true? Does anyone seriously think that new builds are not often buggy? As someone who moved to Huawei and the Mate 2 because of dissatisfaction with the bugginess of KitKat on the Nexus 4, I'm in agreement with him. When and IF Huawei releases Lollipop for this phone, I'll let the eager early adopters dive in first while I wait until (and if) it's been shown to be stable and reliable before I'll consider installing it.
Clearly the part of manufactures niy releasing updates is good for them. As my post clearly states. Customers do not buy from manufactures that don't update their products.
Every device has bugs. Feel free to run a logcat and see for yourself. The goal is to minimize them and eliminate the ones which are or could become a threat to the operating system.
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I'm starting to suspect this guy might be getting some sort of kickback from Huawei or something . He consistently pops up in any thread about updates to quickly disregard it and sing the praises of the current build. He always throws that little hint of doubt that the new build might be buggy and won't be as stable or good as it currently is. It's just a little fishy.
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He's just voicing his opinion. And what he says is obviously true. All Android releases have had bugs. Even iOS releases.
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Clearly the part of manufactures niy releasing updates is good for them. As my post clearly states. Customers do not buy from manufactures that don't update their products.
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You may well be right about that, but I don't see a lot of evidence. Everyone of us with a Mate 2 bought a device from a manufacturer with a history of not providing updates. Either we did it knowingly, or we didn't bother to check.
One thing I haven't said, and I should, is that I do appreciate the adventurous users and developers who charge into unknown territory while those of us who are timid are holding back, waiting to find out just how bad the new bugs are this time. I certainly don't want to discourage anyone from trying the latest and the greatest, as long as they understand the risks.
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I'm starting to suspect this guy might be getting some sort of kickback from Huawei or something . He consistently pops up in any thread about updates to quickly disregard it and sing the praises of the current build. He always throws that little hint of doubt that the new build might be buggy and won't be as stable or good as it currently is. It's just a little fishy.
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I wish I was getting a kickback! I just am happy with the device being STABLE. On my old Note1, even though Samsung never officially supported anything past 4.1.2, I was happy with it because it was STABLE. There were threads on XDA with build after build of this rom or that rom with 4.4.x and they all had this or that issue. When I find a build that is flat stable, unless another build is as stable, and all of my apps and features are working, I LEAVE IT ALONE.
I work on machines and when I was in my 20's (now in my 50's) a manufacturer came out with some new software, that was on 12, 32 pin e-proms. I promptly went out that day and updated all of my customers machines, 14 of them, with 12 chips per machine. 2 days later, the manufacturer issued a recall, and I had to go out, tear them all down, load the old chips back into them, restore all the user information back into them. THAT was my earliest lesson in "if it ain't broke, DON'T fix it.
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I wish I was getting a kickback! I just am happy with the device being STABLE. On my old Note1, even though Samsung never officially supported anything past 4.1.2, I was happy with it because it was STABLE. There were threads on XDA with build after build of this rom or that rom with 4.4.x and they all had this or that issue. When I find a build that is flat stable, unless another build is as stable, and all of my apps and features are working, I LEAVE IT ALONE.
I work on machines and when I was in my 20's (now in my 50's) a manufacturer came out with some new software, that was on 12, 32 pin e-proms. I promptly went out that day and updated all of my customers machines, 14 of them, with 12 chips per machine. 2 days later, the manufacturer issued a recall, and I had to go out, tear them all down, load the old chips back into them, restore all the user information back into them. THAT was my earliest lesson in "if it ain't broke, DON'T fix it.
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I guess my skepticism comes from your repeated insistence that the current build is so perfectly stable. It has it's fair share of bugs. The audio cutting out is a pretty common one that I've had to work through a couple times. Any time I have a Google Calendar reminder pop up, calendar crashes over and over again until I dismiss the reminder. It reboots randomly about once a week. Switching from portrait to landscape is slow and inconsistent at best. Let's not forget about that looping reboot that occurred during a random Amazon update a few months back (that did not affect any other phone). I had to do a factory reset because of that which is a major pain. Not to mention the bugs with Emo, which is just a hot mess of an Android skin, make it practically mandatory that you put a new launcher on it. This phone is the buggiest Android phone I've ever had. Its only saving grace is the ridiculous battery. I want an update to make it less buggy, and yet I keep seeing you drop into threads talking about how stable the phone is. Can you see why I might not trust that your intentions are on the up and up?
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I guess my skepticism comes from your repeated insistence that the current build is so perfectly stable. It has it's fair share of bugs. The audio cutting out is a pretty common one that I've had to work through a couple times. Any time I have a Google Calendar reminder pop up, calendar crashes over and over again until I dismiss the reminder. It reboots randomly about once a week. Switching from portrait to landscape is slow and inconsistent at best. Let's not forget about that looping reboot that occurred during a random Amazon update a few months back (that did not affect any other phone). I had to do a factory reset because of that which is a major pain. Not to mention the bugs with Emo, which is just a hot mess of an Android skin, make it practically mandatory that you put a new launcher on it. This phone is the buggiest Android phone I've ever had. Its only saving grace is the ridiculous battery. I want an update to make it less buggy, and yet I keep seeing you drop into threads talking about how stable the phone is. Can you see why I might not trust that your intentions are on the up and up?
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Thanks for this. It's a good reminder that we can have very different experiences with the same device. I haven't had these problems. If I did, I'm sure I'd be very eager for an update, or anything else that might offer hope of improvement.
Of course, there's no guarantee that an update will fix your problems. In my case, Lollipop did solve my problems with the Nexus 4. I could go back to that phone now, if I had to. But I like the Mate 2 (Jelly Bean notwithstanding) too much. Meanwhile, I see lots of Nexus 4 owners complaining of bugs in Lollipop and saying that KitKat was much better.
FWIW, I do experience a few bugs in Jelly Bean on the Mate 2. But the ones I have are minor and I've learned to deal with them. So, like p51d007, I regard it as a stable, working system. I understand your viewpoint much better now.
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The audio cutting out is a pretty common one that I've had to work through a couple times. Any time I have a Google Calendar reminder pop up, calendar crashes over and over again until I dismiss the reminder. It reboots randomly about once a week. Switching from portrait to landscape is slow and inconsistent at best. Let's not forget about that looping reboot that occurred during a random Amazon update a few months back (that did not affect any other phone). I had to do a factory reset because of that which is a major pain. Not to mention the bugs with Emo, which is just a hot mess of an Android skin, make it practically mandatory that you put a new launcher on it.
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I have experienced/still experience these things. Every single thing in every single sentence here. Except for the Amazon app.
I only have a few issues. Since the update my camera screen focuses but the picture is blurry... it use to be the screen was blurry and the picture was good. I'd rather go back
I also think it might help with even better battery life, and also activate the "OK Google" hot-word from any screen....
That's about all my complaints. And I'm an early adopter so I'll give it a go when/if it ever comes out.
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I guess my skepticism comes from your repeated insistence that the current build is so perfectly stable. It has it's fair share of bugs. The audio cutting out is a pretty common one that I've had to work through a couple times. Any time I have a Google Calendar reminder pop up, calendar crashes over and over again until I dismiss the reminder. It reboots randomly about once a week. Switching from portrait to landscape is slow and inconsistent at best. Let's not forget about that looping reboot that occurred during a random Amazon update a few months back (that did not affect any other phone). I had to do a factory reset because of that which is a major pain. Not to mention the bugs with Emo, which is just a hot mess of an Android skin, make it practically mandatory that you put a new launcher on it. This phone is the buggiest Android phone I've ever had. Its only saving grace is the ridiculous battery. I want an update to make it less buggy, and yet I keep seeing you drop into threads talking about how stable the phone is. Can you see why I might not trust that your intentions are on the up and up?
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Yes, completely understandable. I suppose I "got lucky" and got one free of bugs. I do have one annoyance though.
That once a day pop up not to listen to loud music :cyclops:
Got to remember we are posting on XDA. Which is here exactly for modding and developing android.....
This is no way to penetrate the US market. Huawei
I heard rumors that Huawei was inline to build the next Nexus device. I really doubt that is the case now..
If they are not going to update there phones they might as well leave the US market or just build cheap $99 phones.
Only Moto or Nexus for me from now on!
Also I was highly pissed at Moto for not updating my old Phone but they changed my mind with the Moto X 2013 that they have kept up to date so far!
Huawei Go home! My
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I heard rumors that Huawei was inline to build the next Nexus device. I really doubt that is the case now..
If they are not going to update there phones they might as well leave the US market or just build cheap $99 phones.
Only Moto or Nexus for me from now on!
Also I was highly pissed at Moto for not updating my old Phone but they changed my mind with the Moto X 2013 that they have kept up to date so far!
Huawei Go home! My
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They are working on a Nexus, as well as LG again (possible 2015 Nexus 5?). Huawei wants to expand to the west. The best way to do that would be in a Nexus phone, since most people cringe at the idea of Chinese software, as if their own government doesn't spy on them. And since the Mate 2 was supposed to be their break in America, it only makes sense to build good relations using it.
They aren't doing a great job, but at least they are trying. I didn't expect this phone to get any updates when I got it.
Huawei informed us last year that they'll be releasing Lollipop in the second quarter of 2015. 5 months and 3 days have already passed and if wasn't for a glimpse they provided some months ago, I would have found it difficult that our HAM2 will ever be updated.
I received my 1+1 about a month ago and tried Lollipop on it. I am not particularly impressed by Lollipop. I had to reinstall kitkat. Lollipop is over-simplified and has lots of white.
Clearly, Huawei is slow at deploying Lollipop. That is true. It sounds like you really don't care though. You seem to prefer KitKat. Not sure why you started this thread.
kimtyson said:
Clearly, Huawei is slow at deploying Lollipop. That is true. It sounds like you really don't care though. You seem to prefer KitKat. Not sure why you started this thread.
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Huawei had promised to release Kitkat. They retracted. Then they promised Lollipop. Even though I'm not a Lollipop fan, it provides the option of having the latest android OS on your phone. So, there's no harm in that.
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Huawei had promised to release Kitkat. They retracted. Then they promised Lollipop. Even though I'm not a Lollipop fan, it provides the option of having the latest android OS on your phone. So, there's no harm in that.
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I got ya. I agree. I am still hopeful they release Lollipop soon. They aren't the best at this kind of stuff though. Their track record is fairly poor related to supporting existing devices. I think they are trying to be better, though. Time will tell.
Android L is meant to be released on the Asian Mate 2's on July 2nd. I think it is unlikely that it will be released for the US version before this, but if it doesn't come out for you guys on the 2nd July, I would contact Huawei and moan like Hell. Unfortunately I have seen NOTHING about a release date for the MT2-L03.
I asked them on Instagram and got the usual "Thank you, we don't know anything, we'll tell you something when nothing does everything." kind of comment.
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Android L is meant to be released on the Asian Mate 2's on July 2nd. I think it is unlikely that it will be released for the US version before this, but if it doesn't come out for you guys on the 2nd July, I would contact Huawei and moan like Hell. Unfortunately I have seen NOTHING about a release date for the MT2-L03.
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The Asian HAM2 is a completely different phone internally, there is no reason to believe the development paths or release schedules would be in any way similar for both devices.
After over half a year of vague promises (and a worthless 'beta program' website) from Huawei USA I wouldn't expect an upgrade to Lollipop for the MT2-L03 - I honestly think they were just stringing everyone along and trying to quieten the uproar among HAM2 users that was happening at the time. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but I bet I'm not.
In the meantime I'm still trucking along on my HAM2, but I am looking at possible replacements. Most notably the new Alcatel Idol 3 looks really really impressive for the price.
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The Asian HAM2 is a completely different phone internally, there is no reason to believe the development paths or release schedules would be in any way similar for both devices.
After over half a year of vague promises (and a worthless 'beta program' website) from Huawei USA I wouldn't expect an upgrade to Lollipop for the MT2-L03 - I honestly think they were just stringing everyone along and trying to quieten the uproar among HAM2 users that was happening at the time. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but I bet I'm not.
In the meantime I'm still trucking along on my HAM2, but I am looking at possible replacements. Most notably the new Alcatel Idol 3 looks really really impressive for the price.
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Yes, thanks. I'm well aware that they have different hardware.
I said to moan as US customers were told an update would be released in the first quarter of the year..... That hasn't happened.
I'll get flamed again, but even if they did release an update, it would be hard for me to upgrade unless some feature of software took advantage of the update. 4.3 WORKS. Turn it on and use it, don't have to reboot it. Yes, if there are security bugs, that's one thing, but if your device works as delivered, I'm more of a leave it alone, new doesn't always mean better, just new type of person.
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I'll get flamed again, but even if they did release an update, it would be hard for me to upgrade unless some feature of software took advantage of the update. 4.3 WORKS. Turn it on and use it, don't have to reboot it. Yes, if there are security bugs, that's one thing, but if your device works as delivered, I'm more of a leave it alone, new doesn't always mean better, just new type of person.
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Man, the main theme of all your posts is "4.3 is GREAT". In fact, all your posts contain the same information in different wording. We have UNDERSTOOD your preference. I don't understand why you keep repeating it. Its a little bit tactless to be repeating the same post in every thread.
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Man, the main theme of all your posts is "4.3 is GREAT". In fact, all your posts contain the same information in different wording. We have UNDERSTOOD your preference. I don't understand why you keep repeating it. Its a little bit tactless to be repeating the same post in every thread.
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He said he'd get flamed. At least he wasn't disappointed.
There isn't a ton of activity in this forum so I think we can tolerate multiple posts from p51d007.
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He said he'd get flamed. At least he wasn't disappointed.
There isn't a ton of activity in this forum so I think we can tolerate multiple posts from p51d007.
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Flame away...I was a volunteer 911 operator for over a dozen years...been flamed by the best of em. :good:
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Flame away...I was a volunteer 911 operator for over a dozen years...been flamed by the best of em. :good:
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I've got the latest and greatest lollipop on my nexus 7, I've also got a rooted samsung s3 that has a custom ROM on it. But I must say this phone
the mate 2 is by far my favorite, the battery life is unreal, love the big bright screen. It may not be the latest and greatest but for me it is a great phone.
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I've got the latest and greatest lollipop on my nexus 7, I've also got a rooted samsung s3 that has a custom ROM on it. But I must say this phone
the mate 2 is by far my favorite, the battery life is unreal, love the big bright screen. It may not be the latest and greatest but for me it is a great phone.
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I actually bought the 1+1 after reading rave reviews about it almost everywhere. I initially intended to keep the 1+1 and give my dad my HAM2. For some reason, the mate 2 was too good to give up. It has everything I want in a phone; large screen, very long battery life, fast, smooth transitions and most importantly it doesn't get hot like a stove. Anyway, at the end, I kept the HAM2 and gave my dad the 1+1. Seriously, I gave up the 1+1 with all its laudatory specs for the HAM2 and I have no regrets.
This phone's screen is too freaking big for me. I already have a tablet, don't need another one thanks. Unfortunately I can't afford to upgrade it right now so I'm stuck with it. And now Xposed broke so now I'm stuck with the ugly grey nav bar and enormous DPI. (EDIT: Nvm, I fixed that.) Seriously, why did Huawei artificially raise the DPI, the native 240 looks so much better than the stock 320, makes everything look much smaller and crisper and gives you more real estate.
I just want Lollipop. Then I'll see if it's worth keeping this phone or if I should make upgrading a priority.
At least the battery life is nice, but that's about all I can say is going for this phone, and I'm willing to bet in part that's because of the lower res (720p) screen.
Like many of you, I've experienced the same issues with my Nexus 6P shutting off when the battery gets to around 15% which began happening as soon as I installed 7.0. I bought my device from Best Buy. I called Google. Google blamed Huawei and wouldn't help me. I called Huawei. Huawei blamed Google.
My device was under warranty so Huawei sent me several RMA's. Every RMA came back with 7.0 (the device originally came with 6.0) and had the same issue with the phone shutting off early while the battery still showed a charge. After two months of this nonsense Huawei finally sent me a new Nexus 6P. The new device came with 6.0 and doesn't shut off prematurely.
I called Google yesterday and told them I have a brand new Nexus 6P and will be out of warranty this month. I asked if they recommend I install 7.1.1. The rep replied that I should install it so I can enjoy all the wonderful benefits. I then asked what if after installing 7.1.1, I experience my phone shutting off when the battery gets to 15%? Will Google provide me with any type of recourse and either repair or replace my device? The rep replied no they will absolutely not and instead they will refer me to Huawei.
I reiterated that I have a brand new device with 6.0 installed that works perfectly. I said if I install 7.1.1 and my phone begins shutting off with 15% battery life left, it would clearly show that Google / 7.1.1 is the cause. I again asked if Google would provide me with any type of recourse in the event this happens. The rep once again stated that there is nothing Google will do for me.
Given my experience and Google's reply, I'm selling my brand new Aluminum 128 GB Nexus 6P. Google has shown me that they are perfectly fine ruining their customers devices and not holding themselves accountable and instead screwing over their customers.
Time to give Apple a chance. At least their hardware and software are all made under one company so there won't be any finger pointing and blame if my device needs a repair. Their store is five minutes from my house so I won't have to package my device, take it to the post office, and wait two weeks to get it back.
Good luck to the rest of you who are still experiencing issues and are not getting a satisfactory resolution
I got a brand new 6P running 6.0.1 for Christmas. After about a week I installed Nougat. It has been over 2 months with various versions of Nougat (7.0, 7.1, etc) on my phone and I have not experienced any random shutdowns, boot loops, etc at any battery percentage (including 15% or less). The issue is degraded batteries, not Google's software.
Why not install 7 and see if it still shuts off early. If it does then flash 6.0 back.
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Like many of you, I've experienced the same issues with my Nexus 6P shutting off when the battery gets to around 15% which began happening as soon as I installed 7.0. I bought my device from Best Buy. I called Google. Google blamed Huawei and wouldn't help me. I called Huawei. Huawei blamed Google.
My device was under warranty so Huawei sent me several RMA's. Every RMA came back with 7.0 (the device originally came with 6.0) and had the same issue with the phone shutting off early while the battery still showed a charge. After two months of this nonsense Huawei finally sent me a new Nexus 6P. The new device came with 6.0 and doesn't shut off prematurely.
I called Google yesterday and told them I have a brand new Nexus 6P and will be out of warranty this month. I asked if they recommend I install 7.1.1. The rep replied that I should install it so I can enjoy all the wonderful benefits. I then asked what if after installing 7.1.1, I experience my phone shutting off when the battery gets to 15%? Will Google provide me with any type of recourse and either repair or replace my device? The rep replied no they will absolutely not and instead they will refer me to Huawei.
I reiterated that I have a brand new device with 6.0 installed that works perfectly. I said if I install 7.1.1 and my phone begins shutting off with 15% battery life left, it would clearly show that Google / 7.1.1 is the cause. I again asked if Google would provide me with any type of recourse in the event this happens. The rep once again stated that there is nothing Google will do for me.
Given my experience and Google's reply, I'm selling my brand new Aluminum 128 GB Nexus 6P. Google has shown me that they are perfectly fine ruining their customers devices and not holding themselves accountable and instead screwing over their customers.
Time to give Apple a chance. At least their hardware and software are all made under one company so there won't be any finger pointing and blame if my device needs a repair. Their store is five minutes from my house so I won't have to package my device, take it to the post office, and wait two weeks to get it back.
Good luck to the rest of you who are still experiencing issues and are not getting a satisfactory resolution
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I really wouldn't go to apple. Trust me you'll regret it.
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I got a brand new 6P running 6.0.1 for Christmas. After about a week I installed Nougat. It has been over 2 months with various versions of Nougat (7.0, 7.1, etc) on my phone and I have not experienced any random shutdowns, boot loops, etc at any battery percentage (including 15% or less). The issue is degraded batteries, not Google's software.
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Over time, batteries do degrade, but they should still drain all the way down to 0%. Degraded batteries don't just shut off at random percentages of 15%, 25%, 50%, etc. When I bought my phone (on 6.0) and for months afterward, my battery life was fantastic and I never experienced a random shut off with battery percentage still left. After downloading 7.0, my battery drained noticeably faster and begin randomly shutting off with a 15% battery charge left. While there are many Nexus 6P owners that have experienced no issues, there are thousands of Nexus 6P owners whose devices worked flawlessly on 6.0, and experienced the same thing I did upon downloading 7.0. The common denominator is downloading 7.0. Google has acknowledged the issue and I was told buy a Google that I they have been working on a fix since October. I asked what the ETA is and he couldn't tell me. Combined with his answer that Google would do nothing for me if I installed 7.0 my new device and experienced the same battery drain and shut off issues told me everything I need to know about how Google treats it's customers.
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Why not install 7 and see if it still shuts off early. If it does then flash 6.0 back.
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After installing 7.0, flashing back to 6.0 doesn't fix the issue as many 6P owners experiencing this issue have attested to.
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I really wouldn't go to apple. Trust me you'll regret it.
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Why will I regret it? I'm not being sarcastic I'm genuinely curious as to your reason.
Buh-bye
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Why will I regret it? I'm not being sarcastic I'm genuinely curious as to your reason.
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Lots of reasons Bro. I despise apple and consider them crooks. They used to innovate when Steve jobs was still around but now they just repackage the same **** every year with small upgrades still a year behind android. You'll miss out on cool mods, widgets, roms, Kernels, etc. I would miss viper4arise and many other mods way too much to switch to a locked down boring phone with little customisability and access to the system bit that's just my opinion. Don't be surprised if it starts slowing down and getting laggy as they are built and updated to kill them off as newer ones come out (another reason I am against apple as well as their rubbish build quality. Like their easily crack able screens and Apple tax on their devices whether, phone, tablet or Mac. If you want a good phone then I struggle to see why you don't just get a oneplus 3t or pixel phone. Android does have its downfalls but you shouldn't be put of them because of problems on just one device. There are many apple devices that have boot loops from ios updates and you can't just fix it like am android device. If your warranty is void then you're screwed. You won't be better off, you will end up just losing out and paying more because they overcharge their poor excuse of a phone like mad.
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Owning each iPhone from 3G - 6S I can assure you that your problems will not be solved by switching. If you think the 15% problem is bad wait a few months and your iphone will be shutting down between the 50% - 20% mark and even if you have a Apple Care plan they will not fix it. You'll get a replacement then after that your told to wait for updates that will improve battery life. The catch? Those updates never arrive. It's a HUGE reason I switched over to the 6P.
That being said my experience with the NA branch of Huawei has been an absolute nightmare but my provider came through and i'm pretty happy with my replacement (3rd replacement since launch)
Again I'm speaking as someone who was a HUGE Apple fan boy and while I still LOVE my Macbook Pro ( 1950 days of use and counting without a single problem) I won't ever go back to their mobile line.
It has zero to do with the firmware version. My 6P has been running Nougat since the previews and it will discharge to 0 before shutting down.
Early shutdowns are caused by battery wear. Pretty much all of my buddies with older iPhone 6's are seeing the same thing. So good luck with switching to Apple, it will not make a difference at all.
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Lots of reasons Bro. I despise apple and consider them crooks. They used to innovate when Steve jobs was still around but now they just repackage the same **** every year with small upgrades still a year behind android. You'll miss out on cool mods, widgets, roms, Kernels, etc. I would miss viper4arise and many other mods way too much to switch to a locked down boring phone with little customisability and access to the system bit that's just my opinion. Don't be surprised if it starts slowing down and getting laggy as they are built and updated to kill them off as newer ones come out (another reason I am against apple as well as their rubbish build quality. Like their easily crack able screens and Apple tax on their devices whether, phone, tablet or Mac. If you want a good phone then I struggle to see why you don't just get a oneplus 3t or pixel phone. Android does have its downfalls but you shouldn't be put of them because of problems on just one device. There are many apple devices that have boot loops from ios updates and you can't just fix it like am android device. If your warranty is void then you're screwed. You won't be better off, you will end up just losing out and paying more because they overcharge their poor excuse of a phone like mad.
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Thanks for posting your opinion. I'm not up on most of the things you talked about like roms, mods kernels, etc. I'm a fairly basic user. Don't really know what I'm missing out on being able to do these things. I just want my phone to work the way it's supposed to. At its core, the battery should work correctly and not drain excessively fast and shut off at 15%. Since this has been happening to thousands of Nexus 6P owners, I would have expected Google to stand behind their phone and support their customers. In my case, and in thousands of other cases, they haven't.
You mentioned getting a good phone like the OnePlus 3T or Pixel. Last year, the Nexus 6P was considered by many to be the best Android phone. Even if that's no longer the case, it should still work well and correctly. If it doesn't, and it's the fault of Google's OS updates, they should stand behind their customers and do the right thing. They haven't. As for the Pixel, it seems to have the same issues as the Nexus 6P https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=230806
Ironically, many of the arguments you make against Apple are the exact same issues that I'm experiencing with Google. My device slowed down considerably, my battery shut off at 15%, it seemed like this happened right as the Pixel came out, my warranty through Huawei is almost up and Google straight up told me if I experience these same issues as a result of downloading 7.1.1, I'm screwed, as they won't help me.
I understand this is an Android forum and everyone is going to be very passionate about supporting Android and crapping on Apple. I totally understand that. It's like talking politics. People are always passionate about the side they believe in and rip the other side. In my case, I'm not partial or emotionally attached to either company. I'm simply venting about my very disappointing experience with Google.
My main point about considering Apple was that at least they have a store I could go into if I experience issues and speak to somebody in person. I feel that gives customers a better chance of getting a fair resolution compared to packaging your phone up, sending it away for up to two weeks, only to get it back with the possibility of it not being repaired or having similar issues. I was without my device for 2 months until I finally got a new replacement. That's just unacceptable.
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Owning each iPhone from 3G - 6S I can assure you that your problems will not be solved by switching. If you think the 15% problem is bad wait a few months and your iphone will be shutting down between the 50% - 20% mark and even if you have a Apple Care plan they will not fix it. You'll get a replacement then after that your told to wait for updates that will improve battery life. The catch? Those updates never arrive. It's a HUGE reason I switched over to the 6P.
That being said my experience with the NA branch of Huawei has been an absolute nightmare but my provider came through and i'm pretty happy with my replacement (3rd replacement since launch)
Again I'm speaking as someone who was a HUGE Apple fan boy and while I still LOVE my Macbook Pro ( 1950 days of use and counting without a single problem) I won't ever go back to their mobile line.
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Thanks for your input and experience. Sounds like your experience with Apple is as bad as mine was with Google. I just feel I'd have a better shot having an issue resolved speaking with somebody face to face, then on the phone.
I agree with you that Huawei has some pretty subpar customer service. Talk about making customers jump through hoops just to get an RMA, only to have to wait weeks, and in my case two months, before finally getting a new device that works.
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It has zero to do with the firmware version. My 6P has been running Nougat since the previews and it will discharge to 0 before shutting down.
Early shutdowns are caused by battery wear. Pretty much all of my buddies with older iPhone 6's are seeing the same thing. So good luck with switching to Apple, it will not make a difference at all.
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I've never had a phone where it shut off before the battery ran all the way down to 0%. Never experienced an early shutdown before my Nexus 6P.
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Thanks for posting your opinion. I'm not up on most of the things you talked about like roms, mods kernels, etc. I'm a fairly basic user. Don't really know what I'm missing out on being able to do these things. I just want my phone to work the way it's supposed to. At its core, the battery should work correctly and not drain excessively fast and shut off at 15%. Since this has been happening to thousands of Nexus 6P owners, I would have expected Google to stand behind their phone and support their customers. In my case, and in thousands of other cases, they haven't.
You mentioned getting a good phone like the OnePlus 3T or Pixel. Last year, the Nexus 6P was considered by many to be the best Android phone. Even if that's no longer the case, it should still work well and correctly. If it doesn't, and it's the fault of Google's OS updates, they should stand behind their customers and do the right thing. They haven't. As for the Pixel, it seems to have the same issues as the Nexus 6P https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=230806
Ironically, many of the arguments you make against Apple are the exact same issues that I'm experiencing with Google. My device slowed down considerably, my battery shut off at 15%, it seemed like this happened right as the Pixel came out, my warranty through Huawei is almost up and Google straight up told me if I experience these same issues as a result of downloading 7.1.1, I'm screwed, as they won't help me.
I understand this is an Android forum and everyone is going to be very passionate about supporting Android and crapping on Apple. I totally understand that. It's like talking politics. People are always passionate about the side they believe in and rip the other side. In my case, I'm not partial or emotionally attached to either company. I'm simply venting about my very disappointing experience with Google.
My main point about considering Apple was that at least they have a store I could go into if I experience issues and speak to somebody in person. I feel that gives customers a better chance of getting a fair resolution compared to packaging your phone up, sending it away for up to two weeks, only to get it back with the possibility of it not being repaired or having similar issues. I was without my device for 2 months until I finally got a new replacement. That's just unacceptable.
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Yeah, I get your point and appreciate it and yes it is with Google. Apple do have many problems with their phones similar to Google. If you want to try a new phone then I would highly recommend the oneplus 3t as that is using oxygen os and has no problems like Google. So the modding community is very active a D yes I agree you are missing out on a lot if you have an android device and aren't modding it. That's basically the whole point of Xda. If you have to then get an iPhone but I really think that should be a last resort. They are still really behind other phones. The OnePlus 3t has no problems I think and has a great battery and charges in only 30 minutes from zero to a hundred percent unlike apples 2 hour charge. There are so many other reasons to stick with android. I recommend simply go ogling about it and downloading an app called Mr Phone and you'll see from the specs how inferior the iphone is compared to the majority of devices. And yes with android devices there aren't really shops like apples to help people in person but that's because the majority of Android phones don't have as many problems as apples phones. Just dp a bit research before you make any hasty decisions
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X12321 said:
Thanks for posting your opinion. I'm not up on most of the things you talked about like roms, mods kernels, etc. I'm a fairly basic user. Don't really know what I'm missing out on being able to do these things. I just want my phone to work the way it's supposed to. At its core, the battery should work correctly and not drain excessively fast and shut off at 15%. Since this has been happening to thousands of Nexus 6P owners, I would have expected Google to stand behind their phone and support their customers. In my case, and in thousands of other cases, they haven't.
You mentioned getting a good phone like the OnePlus 3T or Pixel. Last year, the Nexus 6P was considered by many to be the best Android phone. Even if that's no longer the case, it should still work well and correctly. If it doesn't, and it's the fault of Google's OS updates, they should stand behind their customers and do the right thing. They haven't. As for the Pixel, it seems to have the same issues as the Nexus 6P https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=230806
Ironically, many of the arguments you make against Apple are the exact same issues that I'm experiencing with Google. My device slowed down considerably, my battery shut off at 15%, it seemed like this happened right as the Pixel came out, my warranty through Huawei is almost up and Google straight up told me if I experience these same issues as a result of downloading 7.1.1, I'm screwed, as they won't help me.
I understand this is an Android forum and everyone is going to be very passionate about supporting Android and crapping on Apple. I totally understand that. It's like talking politics. People are always passionate about the side they believe in and rip the other side. In my case, I'm not partial or emotionally attached to either company. I'm simply venting about my very disappointing experience with Google.
My main point about considering Apple was that at least they have a store I could go into if I experience issues and speak to somebody in person. I feel that gives customers a better chance of getting a fair resolution compared to packaging your phone up, sending it away for up to two weeks, only to get it back with the possibility of it not being repaired or having similar issues. I was without my device for 2 months until I finally got a new replacement. That's just unacceptable.
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.androidauthority.com
To the OP:
I am currently experiencing the shutdown issue. This is my 6th RMA I will be sending in once the replacement arrives via FedEx today. I purchased my 6P through Project Fi and I am stuck with either the 6P, 5X, or the new Pixel devices. It does suck that I have experienced the battery issue but the Project Fi section of Google has been fantastic and simply send me out another 6P without question.
I used to be a huge Apple guy, and in some ways I still am. I've own every iPhone up to the iPhone 5. I experienced the same type of battery shutdown issues and a host of others. The sad thing was that even though I had Apple Care (4 and 4S), I had to purchase a new device as they didn't cover the issues under Apple Care. It sucked really bad and that sparked me coming over to Android. I didn't start with Google directly though so I had Samsung phones, Sony, LG, and even at one point a cheap chinese knockoff.
Yes it sucks that this issue with the 6P is happening, but you can at least go to other Android devices that aren't, unless you're using Project Fi, then you'll just be crippled to just T-Mobile service on Fi. You can go to Apple if you want, and the experience might be good, but remember how much more you will be spending for less.
The only reason I stuck it out with Apple for so long was because I got a refund from my place of employment for half of the cost of the device because I used it for work as well as personal.
Let me say why my next phone will be an iPhone too.
1. Zero problems!
Apple phones are built to last and if there ever are are any problems with their phones they are quick to release updates and make replacement programs straight away for easy fixes. (Unlike what happened here, simply disgusting)
2. Best Operating System
Their operating system is the same on any iPhone. Google didnt update their nexus 6p with everything the pixel had and I understand we're getting finger sensing things but still its just not the same. Were still missing pixel launcher, blue accent and other things. iOS also just looks nicer in my opinion. I know you can customize with android but stock android just cant compare to the looks and animations of iOS.
3. iMessage, handoff, and more
When allo first released I thought that would be the iMessage killer but it turns out to be yet another social app majority of people don't use. iMessage is the perfect messaging app. It has a desktop client fully encrypted and oh it includes SMS!
Handoff and syncing of things across all devices is another thing android just cant compare to.
I don't care what anyone says iOS is better in my opinion.
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Let me say why my next phone will be an iPhone too.
1. Zero problems!
Apple phones are built to last and if there ever are are any problems with their phones they are quick to release updates and make replacement programs straight away for easy fixes. (Unlike what happened here, simply disgusting)
2. Best Operating System
Their operating system is the same on any iPhone. Google didnt update their nexus 6p with everything the pixel had and I understand we're getting finger sensing things but still its just not the same. Were still missing pixel launcher, blue accent and other things. iOS also just looks nicer in my opinion. I know you can customize with android but stock android just cant compare to the looks and animations of iOS.
3. iMessage, handoff, and more
When allo first released I thought that would be the iMessage killer but it turns out to be yet another social app majority of people don't use. iMessage is the perfect messaging app. It has a desktop client fully encrypted and oh it includes SMS!
Handoff and syncing of things across all devices is another thing android just cant compare to.
I don't care what anyone says iOS is better in my opinion.
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I don't care what anyone says iOS is better in my opinion.
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Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion...but why express yours here? Pretty much everyone here has the opposite opinion. Are you tolling, or trying to convert us?
To the OP... I tend to agree with the suggestion to move to a 3T or other phone. I know you feel like that would be giving up and letting google cheat you...but sometimes its the best way to get to where you want to be. Im not an Apple hater by any means. They make a premium product (although Macbooks arent what they used to be from a build quality standpoint) that millions are happy with. I just dont ever want to "mary" a coorporate giant, which is kind of what you do when you buy their products. I like the freedom of the Android platform.
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Yes I am pretty mad bro!
My phone is dying on me everyday and living in Canada where its always cold makes it even worse.
With all of the problems that the Pixel 6 / 6Pro have encountered in its 6 month existence, how can you still say that this is a great phone??
Set aside the “mY pHoNe iS wOrKiNg FiNe” BS for just a minute, and acknowledge that there are thousands of others not as fortunate. Google has literally admitted that many are experiencing connectivity issues, and that they may fix it in the June update…. How is this acceptable to you, as a Pixel supporter?
The main purpose of a phone is communication, right? Connectivity issues prevents communication, right?
Let’s use a car comparison; a car’s main purpose is to drive, right?? What if Ford released a car 6 months ago, and for thousands of customers, this new car just…won’t drive sometimes? You can’t quite explain why; it turns on fine…but sometimes, it just won’t move. Ford said said that if you come by their shop in June, they should be able to figure out why it stops driving sometimes. In the meantime, just sit tight in your car…or take an uber if you need to get somewhere.
Ford would be facing bankruptcy and millions of lawsuits (from customers, and from dealerships) if this happened. So why does Google get a pass for essentially making a car that doesn’t drive all the time?
Google has made incredible phones. It’s okay to admit that this one time, they created a terrible phone that will be forgotten about when the 7 comes out.
It's just a phone, who cares if it's 'forgotten about', I don't fret over whether my taps are forgotten about or my towels are forgotten about (yes I'm typing this while taking a dump). Mine works fine, too bad if yours doesnt- return it. People shouldn't be trying to find deeper personal meaning in their possessions. Look up commodity fetishism.
My phone bought a week back has been working flawlessly, stable and force close free.
Perhaps the first batches of the phones are the ones that are giving issues.
Same goes for my previous phone the P2 XL I waiting to almost a year later to buy it and had zero issues with the device.
The P6 is a pleasure to use and I feel sorry for anyone that is encountering serious problems since I don't see any of the problems myself.
Definitely look into RMA or return the device within the time frame after purchasing.
The only downside is the fingerprint reader of course, I miss the one from my P2 XL.
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My phone bought a week back has been working flawlessly, stable and force close free.
Perhaps the first batches of the phones are the ones that are giving issues.
Same goes for my previous phone the P2 XL I waiting to almost a year later to buy it and had zero issues with the device.
The P6 is a pleasure to use and I feel sorry for anyone that is encountering serious problems since I don't see any of the problems myself.
Definitely look into RMA or return the device within the time frame after purchasing.
The only downside is the fingerprint reader of course, I miss the one from my P2 XL.
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Some really good reports coming out on A13 beta 2 FPR. I can't install a beta now but hopefully this will either roll out to us soon or give us a very stable beta 3 to install. I'm very disappointed with the FPR even though it works most of the time now. After a shower forget about it. However, on the positive side my hands are very supple now but my wife wants to know why I have moisturizer with me at all times.
Now let's get back to the OP and the comparison of a $40,000 automobile with a $600 phone. One can travel at 150 Km/hr and get you a misdemeanor in jail for doing that. The other will take a picture of you behind bars. One you can get into the backseat of and make love. The other you can take a selfie with... hmm. ok not a great comparison. Ok, here's one. A car can take you to a store to get a replacement but you can't take a phone to get you a new car. But then again there's Uber.. hmm.. Silliness aside, how can anyone compare an automobile to a phone and try to equivocate the two? Oh well, Saturday entertainment I guess.
i am not a diehard other then for android, most of the issues the pixel 6 has are from software and not hardware ( other then just lemon devices). its nice to have a lot of features, but how about google fix the issues your users have before you push new features and new systems?
it would be better if android had a two year cycle with less system changes. more fixes and more software plugins for OS features that users can choose or deny.
i have 3 google devices and the pixel 6 is the most buggy of the bunch and android 12 has been annoying from the start
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i am not a diehard other then for android, most of the issues the pixel 6 has are from software and not hardware ( other then just lemon devices). its nice to have a lot of features, but how about google fix the issues your users have before you push new features and new systems?
it would be better if android had a two year cycle with less system changes. more fixes and more software plugins for OS features that users can choose or deny.
i have 3 google devices and the pixel 6 is the most buggy of the bunch and android 12 has been annoying from the start
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You sir are a 100% right that it is a software issue that causes issues.
Not the Android OS, but the apks, mods, Roms, kernels, etc.
There seems to be a habit of people following social media and YouTube videos. And these people will come to XDA for help after they ruin their device.
It is not the Google fault if people do not stick to the basics.
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I find it funny that every year when Google releases a new device with a new Operating system. That people will complain it is the worst device ever.
And they will say in the same breath that the previous year was the best device ever.
If do not believe me, look at all past Google devices and see what was said.
The bottom line is when the Pixel 7 is released with Android 13. It will be the worst device ever and the Pixel 6 will be the best ever.
This all sounds like a cry for attention to me.
I goty first pixel 6 pro on 25th march got home charged it and did the set up from previous back up somehow the phone boot looped I couldn't fix it that was Saturday got a replacement device on the Tuesday as shop didn't have a replacement and I didn't take the paperwork.
Got replacement phone amdnib had no problems at all with it works as should
Let's face it though the fingerprint reader is a joke. It shares the same hardware as other devices that work flawlessly. Yes l know some people don't have issues bla bla bla don't waste your time posting that there are enough people that do.
But FP reader aside the biggest problem with the pixel 6 is android 12 is Garbage. Watching some of Google IO yet again there saying the pixel 7 has the best ever battery life sure they said that last year and the year before and the year before and the year before
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Let's face it though the fingerprint reader is a joke. It shares the same hardware as other devices that work flawlessly. Yes l know some people don't have issues bla bla bla don't waste your time posting that there are enough people that do.
But FP reader aside the biggest problem with the pixel 6 is android 12 is Garbage. Watching some of Google IO yet again there saying the pixel 7 has the best ever battery life sure they said that last year and the year before and the year before and the year before
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I always liked the P5 finger print reader.
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If do not believe me, look at all past Google devices and see what was said.
The bottom line is when the Pixel 7 is released with Android 13. It will be the worst device ever and the Pixel 6 will be the best ever.
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You hit the nail in the head. 100%. Been like this since the early days of the Nexus program.
That said my P6 has been flawless. My wife's too. Same for a friend of ours who has one. Ditto for a guy at work.
The ones with problems always post the most.
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You hit the nail in the head. 100%. Been like this since the early days of the Nexus program.
That said my P6 has been flawless. My wife's too. Same for a friend of ours who has one. Ditto for a guy at work.
The ones with problems always post the most.
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Can't say I know my Pixel 6 well enough to love it, but I'm Ok with it. We won't do better for the price, IMO. The fingerprint sensor drives me bat**** when it really matters but most times it doesn't matter. Other than that my first Pixel is doing its job well enough. I chalk up any problems to the early adopter tax.
A separate thread has claims that Android 13 improved the fingerprint sensor so that's promising. Maybe A13 improves camera issues too.
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Can't say I know my Pixel 6 well enough to love it, but I'm Ok with it. We won't do better for the price, IMO. The fingerprint sensor drives me bat**** when it really matters but most times it doesn't matter. Other than that my first Pixel is doing its job well enough. I chalk up any problems to the early adopter tax.
A separate thread has claims that Android 13 improved the fingerprint sensor so that's promising. Maybe A13 improves camera issues too.
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My main reason for the Pixel 6, instead of the pro was the price.
Other manufacturers are at twice the price. Unless you go of the grid and get something like the Blu.
No matter what kind of device it is, a forum dedicated to that device will be filled with complaints, and it will appear that the device is unreliable, faulty, buggy etc. This has been the case for every phone I've owned, every fitness tracker I've owned, every computer I've owned, even a few cars I've owned. Few people will post just to let you know how great the device is.
My phone is, .....how did you put it..... '“mY pHoNe iS wOrKiNg FiNe”
My P6 is quick, lasts all day, doesn't crash, takes great pictures, does everything it's supposed to, and works pretty good as a phone too. No buyers remorse, no other phone I'd rather have.
That has not been my experience. Phone has been great. Sure it sounds like some people (and perhaps more than usual) have had issues, but that is true of any phone. Pixel 6 is most popular Pixel ever because it is good at a reasonable price point.
With all of the problems that the Pixel 6 / 6Pro have encountered in its 6 month existence, how can you still say that this is a great phone??
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Simple, ~I~ have not encountered these problems, and my phone in my experience has been great.
Set aside the “mY pHoNe iS wOrKiNg FiNe” BS for just a minute, and acknowledge that there are thousands of others not as fortunate.
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The fact that "my phone is working fine" is not "BS", it's a matter of fact. Discounting the "thousands of others" who have not had problems illustrates the flaw in your logic.
Google ... may fix it in the June update…. How is this acceptable to you, as a Pixel supporter?
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Apple just pushed iOS 15.5, what about all the bugs they fixed in that release? Microsoft just released updates for Windows. My Linux distro just got a hundred updates on my last apt get update | apt get upgrade. How is that acceptable to iPhone, Windows, or Linux users? Simple: Software, by its nature, has bugs. The developer of the software identifies and fixes the bugs, and releases patches. That's literally the software product life cycle.
If the phone doesn't work for you, get another one. Simple. But don't take the negative press as gospel. Media outlets make money from selling ads, but they need traffic to get that money... and to get that traffic they run sensational, polarizing headlines and articles. The more fantastic the claim, the better - for the media outlet.
Headlines like "Bugs affect less than 1% of users" or "90%+ of users haven't reported any problems" aren't going to get clicks, so they don't get written, and all you see are the negatively biased articles.
I used to be in the biz, I wrote oodles of tech articles, so I know first-hand what's going on. Don't get suckered into negativity.
@joelevi He already was suckered into negativity, as both his post and subsequent behavior demonstrate.
He was never interested in actual discussion. Responding to him at all will do nothing as he has closed his mind to all attempts to reason with him. The best we can do is what you did: poke holes in his logic and shake our heads sadly at him, letting him wallow in his ignorance. Meanwhile we enjoy our devices.
I've had my issues with the device for sure. But I came from an OP9 that was a "flagship" device that had NO OIS, constant issues with Android Auto connectivity, and was just a complete waste of $900 despite my love of Oxygen OS.
I'm on A13 Beta 2 and the fingerprint reader is MUCH more reliable, and about as fast as my GF's Samsung Galaxy 20 FE. Why they haven't rolled the FP fix out from A13 to A12 is ridiculous, I agree, but the Beta has been working exceptionally well for me.
All the other nitpicks I've had with the Pixel 6 came from the Launcher, and the lack of a weather app. I fixed those by installing Ruthless Launcher, and APKs for Oneplus Weather and Oneplus Widgets. That's the great thing about Android. It's customizable, and you can take it upon yourself to find things you like.
I just realized that there is a Pixel 7 thread already. The P7 is 6 month away and the complaints on the screen size has started in one thread. The specs have not been released yet for the P7.
Case and point... Lol...
It's their first try at the new Tensor chip, it is pretty normal to expect bugs since no other device in history was coded to work on a similar platform. Also, with May update i encounter only minor bugs which don't alter with the phone functionality, maybe i'm a particular case or just Google took action of those bugs.
What do you expect from a 600$ not chinese phone with top tier SoC, camera and build quality?