Hey, about two weeks ago I got myself a new S21. On the first day I was stoked, since I got 10hours of screen-on-time, a value that I never had before with any phone.
But the next day the illusion got destroyed, 3 hrs of screen on time. Something felt off, since I didn't even use the phone that much.
...long story short:
No matter how I use the phone (or not), the battery life seems to be the same. It doesn't make a difference if I use the phone or not, if anything, it feels like the battery drains faster when the device isn't turned on.
I tried to set ALL apps to "deep standby", turn all sensors off. I even turned all settings off which might cause anything to be running in the background, like tap to wake, aod, fingerprint, pick up detection and what not...
Still, I don't get more then 12-20h of total battery life. It doesn't make a difference if I use the phone or not. Even if I don't use the phone at all, after 20h it's dead. If I use it extensively, I still get up to 20h, but the screen-on-time gets significantly higher.
Obviously, if I was to run some stresstest all the time, the battery would drain faster, but that's not the point here. Im talking about normal use (Facebook, WhatsApp, light browsing).
Btw. It was running on the latest Android 12 build the whole time. And I just received an update today and no changes in behaviour.
Disable all power management!!!
Developer options>standby apps, all buckets should show as active otherwise power management is active. You can't turn it off here!
Android will manage its self without this junk.
Find the problem apps and deal with them on a case by case basis. Take out the trash; FB, WhatsApp, Twitter etc... ditch that malware!
Device Care>storage, clean now and clear Google play Services data(repeat as needed).
Clear system cache.
Google backup Transport and cloud apps are prime suspects especially screen off.
Try temporarily disabling Google play Services.
Use the factory load version of apps... update one at a time and observe for a battery hit.
Go back to Android 11 if possible.
Don't burn up the battery! Power down when hot.
Limit top charge to 80%, low discharge to 30%
Don't use in direct sunlight if so only briefly.
Keep brightness at 50% or less to save battery and display.
That comment is basically useless. You're telling me not to use my phone at all, since WhatsApp and Facebook are the only things I do anyway.
Also the thing about battery care is not relevant right now, I'm saying the device is basically new and the idle drain is an issue. How am I supposed to prevent the phone from overheating while idling?
Mumbira said:
How am I supposed to prevent the phone from overheating while idling?
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Try listening...
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yeah, right back at you
It's obviously a software bug somewhere, I'm just hoping that someone suffered the same and got a solution or hint. "Tips" like uninstalling WhatsApp are as useful as sending the phone to the trashbin and buying a new one.
Mumbira said:
yeah, right back at you
It's obviously a software bug somewhere, I'm just hoping that someone suffered the same and got a solution or hint. "Tips" like uninstalling WhatsApp are as useful as sending the phone to the trashbin and buying a new one.
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Your tone is very rude for someone who is asking for help.
What you received as a support may not be fully giving you you wanted - but its free and showing the direction.
Sorry but it is as it is. His comment was useless and showed how he didn't even read my initial post, or didn't understand it. His generic reply about battery care doesn't help me either. And "try listening" also isn't the most polite way either
Nonetheless, I have discovered some articles which mentioned something about VoLTE drain. It should have been sorted out by previous updates and apparently doesn't even concern all devices. But trying is free, right?
I have disabled VoLTE and enabled all battery savers. I got 10h of screen on time and about 36h of total time, which is great! (for a S21)
Next step will be verifying the results by turning everything on again, except VoLTE. (note: I had tested the same scenario before, only with VoLTE on.)
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Sorry but it is as it is. His comment was useless and showed how he didn't even read my initial post, or didn't understand it. His generic reply about battery care doesn't help me either. And "try listening" also isn't the most polite way either
Nonetheless, I have discovered some articles which mentioned something about VoLTE drain. It should have been sorted out by previous updates and apparently doesn't even concern all devices. But trying is free, right?
I have disabled VoLTE and enabled all battery savers. I got 10h of screen on time and about 36h of total time, which is great! (for a S21)
Next step will be verifying the results by turning everything on again, except VoLTE. (note: I had tested the same scenario before, only with VoLTE on.)
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I did answer your question but you decided to get ignorant.
There likely is no one specific easy fix for your problem. I spent many hours optimizing my device... far longer then you.
When the battery life dies again and/or you get erratic behavior don't say I didn't try to warn you.
If you're too lazy to troubleshoot your own device, don't be crying and insulting others trying to show you where you might start.
I don't have battery issues...
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Any one else when they look at their battery usage graph and see that the.phone is awake for large chunks of time?
Even if I haven't turned the screen on for hours it will have large chunks of time where it is awake. Not little quick sync periods. Large chunks as if I had turned the screen on and was doing things.
Even when I have background data, auto sync, and wifi off
also happens when I have data completely off. Aldo happens when I use airplane mode as well
And it isn't any apps I installed since it happens as well when im just straight stock. I've even gone as far as to freeze a ton of apps but still I see large chunks of awake time.
Is there any suggestions people have for me?
Or can others post shots of their battery usage graph so I can compare?
I will post mine when im in break so people can see what I am talking about.
I wish I could figure this out since I know my battery would last a LOT longer if it wasn't awake for so long so often.
Thanks for any input.
I go a step further and not only have I noticed it, there are days where I simply don't sleep and I'll do a 24hr all nighter and even 48hr all nighter.
At times when I'm doing some research and such I've noticed my phone simply wake up at random times as if I hit a button. The screen becomes illuminated and I sit there at the lock screen.
I've never been able to figure out why though.
Its not that my screen comes on.
The bar that shows "screen on" will have a long blank space but rights above it there will be two or three long chunks where it was awake. I understand the OS wakes up at times but I don't think it should be awake for as long as it shows.
Its usually a small dash of awake followed by a small space and then a large chunk of awake time. Small space of not awake then another large chunk awake. Then not awake for a while again. I can't figure out what is causing it to do that. Its not like I ha e email set up and its syncing a large email. I don't sync anything except gmail and it happens even with background data off and auto sync off..
Here is a link to my screen shot of my battery usage graph.
http://db.tt/DpxIh9Fp
Does anyone else have awake time like that?
I would have uploaded the picture into the post but I can't attach it from my phone browser.(if anyone knows a way I can plz let me know )
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Here is a link to my screen shot of my battery usage graph.
http://db.tt/DpxIh9Fp
Does anyone else have awake time like that?
I would have uploaded the picture into the post but I can't attach it from my phone browser.(if anyone knows a way I can plz let me know )
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My awake time is also like that. Not concerned about it b/c I get "great" (relatively speaking, of course) battery life. I typically plug in to charge when I go to bed and usually the battery isn't close to dead yet.
okay so I did some messing around wit my phone and I think I may have solved my issue.
I turned the settings in date/time OFF for using network provided times. that is really all I changed.
and now even with sync on and background data on I am not seeing those huge chunks of awake time when the screen has been off.
if someone else could confirm this for me it would be great
I have also made it a point to make certain I reboot after any charging and I am sure that's helping as well
here is a screenshot http://db.tt/g6Njgfrx
I know it is only 3hrs but it has been looking like that all day as opposed to my screenshot from earlier in thread
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edit...no more dropboxing links for pics for me! YAY!! LOL I finally figured out how to do it from my phone...took me long enough Hahaha..
so there is the side by side comparison for anyone interested ....the time spent awake was unacceptable to me before I changed that setting...if this stays this way I will be a happy man indeed...more battery life here I come lol
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ash,
WoW this is a great find. Could it really be this simple?
This phone is just full of undocumented setting's that have
a global effect. What a gem I'll be trying this get back.
If this was helpful, be sure to press the thanks button!
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ash,
WoW this is a great find. Could it really be this simple?
This phone is just full of undocumented setting's that have
a global effect. What a gem I'll be trying this get back.
If this was helpful, be sure to press the thanks button!
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yeah. I was going thru all ny settings and app cuz this was driving me nuts. it even did it still after a data wipe.
then I figured hey what the hell. its gotta be network time because that's really the only thing that could be going on in the background when I have everything else turned off.
and so far so good. my awake bars are looking much more in line with my use and data syncing.
I do not believe I changed anything else to get this result. as I said. turned that off and reboot after EVERY charge and everything seems to be in order now. this issue had been driving me insane since I've had this phone. I feel so relieved its over with.(knock on wood. this phone is so weird at times that I hope it doesn't revert and start waking up for no reason again.)
Can anyone enlighten me as to how svnet kernel wakelock drains my battery.
Lost 20% overnight, BBS shows 90% phone awake during that period mostly due to svnet.
I have JD ultimate set up, so shouldnt be running sync all night long tbh
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Can anyone enlighten me as to how svnet kernel wakelock drains my battery.
Lost 20% overnight, BBS shows 90% phone awake during that period mostly due to svnet.
I have JD ultimate set up, so shouldnt be running sync all night long tbh
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JD uses more battery than it saves, it could be causing something to try to sync, but as its unable to it keeps the phone awake.
Try posting the dump or SS's of the BBS screen.
svnet means something is downloading, or trying to.
Try disabling JD.
That's a shame, I've bought the premium version of JD.
It should put the phone to sleep it between wifi syncs
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That's a shame, I've bought the premium version of JD.
It should put the phone to sleep it between wifi syncs
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What is should do and what it does are worlds apart, it sounds great but mostly it causes worse battery drains.
Lots of apps are not great, and when they try to sync, they will keep bloody well trying until they manage to, mindless of the battery drain.
And with the standard sleep policy on wifi, wifi will turn itself on and off when needed, also the new wifi chipsets are not like the old ones, there idle drain is almost non existent.
Just try to keep the phone in deep sleep as much as you can (Good to see you using betterbatterstats) and you will be fine.
I will disable JD this night and compare,
Too bad I can't get a refund for JD anymore, such a shame
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I will disable JD this night and compare,
Too bad I can't get a refund for JD anymore, such a shame
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Market refund window sucks, shame its not still 24h, you could always email them and ask for a refund and it doesn't do what it says it does, depends if they have a longer money back policy, I know some devs do.
But your best bet is to wait and see first.
I only lost about 1-2% over a 10h night so its doable.
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I will disable JD this night and compare,
Too bad I can't get a refund for JD anymore, such a shame
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Its well posted that JD can cause battery drain though some users find it works .
Worth reading all the battery faq posts to learn better battery habits .
jje
Agreed, but one can never be sure without trying
So basicly you think the wakelock is caused by JD trying to open connection to sync but never closing them, thus not putting the phone in deep sleep?
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Agreed, but one can never be sure without trying
So basicly you think the wakelock is caused by JD trying to open connection to sync but never closing them, thus not putting the phone in deep sleep?
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App tries to sync, JD has network turned off, app still wants to sync, keeps the phone awake trying to sync without a network connection.
Also having a huge problem with the kernel wake lock.. Lost 75% in 10 hours, with very little actual usage. Could it have to do with Toggle2g? Please help! Thanks
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Also having a huge problem with the kernel wake lock.. Lost 75% in 10 hours, with very little actual usage. Could it have to do with Toggle2g? Please help! Thanks
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"wlan_rx_wake" is killing you. That's the WiFi drain bug. For me, Entropy figured out that part of the reason was due to my uVerse router spamming me with a multitude of ARP requests and thus my router was waking up my phone constantly when it should've been in deep sleep.
This happened when I was on UCKK6. I've since done a data wipe/factory reset and gone back to a UCKH7 baseband since UCKH7 seems to have teh filters working and the phone doesn't seem to respond to the uVerse router's spam.
Are you on UCKK6? If so, you might want to wipe and revert back to UCKH7.
Or if you have a uVerse router and want to keep UCKK6 (for whatever reason) - someone else here posted how to put a router behind the uVerse router. This way uVerse still handles all the IPTV stuff but the actuall wireless duties can be conducted by the 2ndary router which won't spam your phone to death.
If you search for it, you should be able to find the instructions on how to put the second router behind the uVerse router...again, assuming this is the issue you have.
Good luck.
I've been noticing sudden abnormal battery drops in my phone after a restart. Any clue what could be causing this? Screenshots attached...
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You may need to calibrate the battery as this really should not be happening, it will always drop a bit after rebooting but not too much.
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You may need to calibrate the battery as this really should not be happening, it will always drop a bit after rebooting but not too much.
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You can safely ignore this incorrect advice.
If you notice a sudden drop like that, just forget about it and carry on enjoying your phone. You'll then notice a gradual increase in reported battery level.
Just switch off your mobile...and take off the battery for 5 min and put it back...and reboot...this is what i have done...when it has sleep issues...and...the problems gone...
Same problem with me
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You can safely ignore this incorrect advice.
If you notice a sudden drop like that, just forget about it and carry on enjoying your phone. You'll then notice a gradual increase in reported battery level.
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will you ever go and **** off and stop trolling what i am saying is correct, i had the same issue and after calibrating my battery the problem was resolved.
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will you ever go and **** off and stop trolling what i am saying is correct, i had the same issue and after calibrating my battery the problem was resolved.
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I'd just like to say you're both right. Calibrating your battery will help, but if this does happen again just ignore it. Your battery level will go back up. Just find the nearest iFan and tell them your phone charges itself
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will you ever go and **** off and stop trolling what i am saying is correct, i had the same issue and after calibrating my battery the problem was resolved.
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I'd love to hear how you calibrated your battery, considering such a thing is not possible on this phone.
Oh, and so you know, if you're going to post incorrect information, of course I'm going to correct you (that's not trolling btw). So what if we've bumped into each other twice in two days, if you're going to post nonsense like this, of course I'm going to respond
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my phone was on standby at 97% deep sleep @ 200MHZ
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will you ever go and **** off and stop trolling what i am saying is correct, i had the same issue and after calibrating my battery the problem was resolved.
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No, what you are saying is not correct. If you think you are correct, please show me the interface in the fuel gauge driver that is used to load history data into the fuel gauge chip.
I guarantee you that you will not find any such interface.
Our fuel gauge (MAX17042) does NOT need calibration - see the datasheet for its predecessor, the MAX17040. While the 17042 has some features that, if enabled, could require calibration cycles, these features are NOT enabled in any Gingerbread kernel, and at least one person received correspondence from Samsung that the GS2 does not even have the required hardware support for these extended features.
http://www.maxim-ic.com/datasheet/index.mvp/id/6621
"Unlike traditional fuel gauges, the ModelGauge algorithm eliminates the need for battery relearn cycles and an external current-sense resistor"
There is no need to EVER perform any sort of battery calibration technique on our fuel gauge, other than this simple technique:
WAIT - your state of charge estimate will converge towards truth over time if anything throws it off. Rebooting on low battery is one of the few known cases where the estimate gets thrown off temporarily, and the tradeoff for having this one corner case is that we never need to calibrate our fuel gauge.
Edit: FYI, if you want to be pedantic - I am fully aware that the MAX17042 functionality is built into the MAX8997, just like the MAX17040 functionality of the Galaxy S series was built into the MAX8998. However it's well documented that this built-in function is identical to standalone 17040/17042 ICs.
bad news i'm affraid..
Hello chiefs,
I'm affraid i have some bad news for the OP and others who are facing this issue.
I had it as well (and still do from what the looks of it) and it got so bad eventually that i had to send it to the shop. they replaced the headset (donno what that has to do with anything) and it has worked for a while, until tonight. i have no clue what's going on but if this keeps up i'm gonna see if i can replace this for another phone. it's getting really annoying up in hea'..
Just my two cents..
This is another bothering issue that I find with GS2.
I would rather have a phone that needs callibration instead of a phone that doesn't but that shows "false" information regarding the battery charge.
greatly improved battery life with ICS
I updated to the leaked Samsung ICS LPH ROM and got as much as 21 hours of battery life! So give it a try or wait till Samsung officially releases ICS on 15the March.
I've searched everywhere and it seems there is no real fix for this. WTF.
And the most annoying thing is that when I'm below 15% (which I'm NOT), it won't let me use the stock camera app. Ugh.
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I've searched everywhere and it seems there is no real fix for this. WTF.
And the most annoying thing is that when I'm below 15% (which I'm NOT), it won't let me use the stock camera app. Ugh.
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Get on to a custom ROM mate
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Now, before you say anything, I know that issues similar to this one have been reported previously (I found 3 other threads, but there might be more). However, during troubleshooting of my friend's SIII, I found the following screenshot in battery usage (which was slightly disconcerting, to say the least). Nothing I've ever seen, on any of the phones I've ever worked in, was even remotely similar to this. No extraneous or abnormal usage was reported to me, and, possibly even more disconcerting, random shutdowns have been occurring every 15 minutes or so (which I would guess are from the overheating, but the phone didn't really seem that hot to me). I am left to guess this is either a battery issue or an active process forcing the processor too much, but I was left out of ideas, and am cautiously recommending a root and underclock if this persists. However, if you have any ideas of what might fix this (other than the rather drastic root + underclock), I'm all ears.
Thanks!
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An app drain your battery.
Look at the picture.
No screen on but a lot awake.
If I was you, I root my phone, install titanium backup, backup my app and make a full wipes.
Or if you don't want to root, do a factory reset.
If it don't happen after this, it's due to an app
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Sad56 said:
An app drain your battery.
Look at the picture.
No screen on but a lot awake.
If I was you, I root my phone, install titanium backup, backup my app and make a full wipes.
Or if you don't want to root, do a factory reset.
If it don't happen after this, it's due to an app
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That was actually my first idea. It's not actually my phone, it's a friend's who asked me to do an impromptu IT session (I use an HTC Wildfire, barely running 4.0, which may be antiquated, but I'd hate to get rid of). I originally thought it was an app, but checking the actual battery usage list (which I'll try to post here as soon as I can get a hold of the phone again) I didn't see any standouts. Running processes turned up all the usual stuff, which is what puzzled me most.
I'll try to convince him to wipe, root, and underclock, but it's a lengthy process, and (understandably), probably a bit too much for someone who just started using Android, which inevitably means I'll need to do it.
Battery Usage List
Got a hold of the phone via email, this is the battery usage list. As I said, nothing really out of the ordinary.
Would a factory reset not be the first step?
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Since it is your friend's phone and he is not ready for rooting stuff, then I suggest factory reset and if problems persist, send it back to Samsung for repair.
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corrsea said:
Would a factory reset not be the first step?
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Arsaw said:
Since it is your friend's phone and he is not ready for rooting stuff, then I suggest factory reset and if problems persist, send it back to Samsung for repair.
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I can not believe I didn't think of that. Now I feel silly. I'll tell him about a factory reset, back up his stuff, and try. I'll report back if the issues persist.
Thanks a million!
Lol, spend to much time on xda and it happens to is all. Good luck on fixing your friends phone.
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The sudden battery drops on the usage graphs here look like a nasty device hang with high current consumption, possibly a near-short-circuit one, followed by a reboot. NOT like an app draining the battery. Also, no phone should ever overheat to the point it hangs/reboots under room temperatures, no mattet how badly a wrongbehaving app taxes the CPU/battery.
Sure, factory reset is worth a try, but do start seriously considering an RMA
Now I feel like a noob for not knowing what "RMA" means. But yeah, the drastic drop in the battery chart and the random shutdowns probably indicate something more serious than a misbehaving app. Let's hope not!
RMA - return merchandise authentication or something like that, i dont remeber the exact abbreviation. It means - use your warranty and return the device for repair/exchange.
Im also using the international model and Im having the same problem except I never have the issue of overheating or freezes. Its just that with minimal use the battery drains a lot faster than expected and wont even last 10hrs until i need to charge it again, I have wifi and all motion controls set to off and even rooted my device to use the Voodoo RRC Tool as recommended by a dev. Still its been a pain.
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... just that with minimal use the battery drains a lot faster than expected...
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Now this does looks like a software issue.
I have similar issues. I got the phone over one week ago and it was great with battery life with some random freeze and blank screen when using Navigation with data connection turned off. However, the phone started to drain battery like crazy one week later: Completely drained within 8 hours, with only WIFI turned on but not connected and SIM card removed. This is after I factory reset the phone without installing any apps other then the stock apps. I also notice that it would not connect to any known WIFI APs that have signal strength below 75% (approx), warm to touch (probably caused by battery drain). It also won't charge from my laptop USB2.0 & USB3.0 ports or any other chargers except original Samsung charger that comes with the phone.
Has anyone else experience similar issues like mine? I don't think it's software related.
Hi everyone i see problem in the device is drain battery to high i think there some apps working in background i think this problem in global rom but in x30 the battery was awesome screen about 7-8 hours and in general got 15-20 hours
Am thinking to change it to Chinese rom but i don't have the files for that and how to open the bootloader .
If someone is able to do that, I hope they will try it and let us know the results
I will but SC for Chinese rom
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Here is a screenshot of my battery backup. I don't play games. Just normal usage of phone.
Yet battery backup is horrible. Can someone assist me?
I think there is a defect in my unit
Have the same battery drain.
I think the problem is general we will waiting an update for that no another solution
Likewise, battery life is terrible on standby and while screen is on, Motorola need to fix asap to resolve this debacle.
amooor said:
Hi everyone i see problem in the device is drain battery to high i think there some apps working in background i think this problem in global rom but in x30 the battery was awesome screen about 7-8 hours and in general got 15-20 hours
Am thinking to change it to Chinese rom but i don't have the files for that and how to open the bootloader .
If someone is able to do that, I hope they will try it and let us know the results
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8 hours SOT isn't bad
Here's mine
Was this ever fixed?
Unfortunately no, the only things I have found to help is disabling NFC and setting Suspend execution for cached apps to enabled in developer settings.
One guy on the official forums for the phone pointed out that there's missing management of the cores, so most power hungry core(s) stays active when it should be off: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/motoro...n-issue-while-Idle/m-p/5133194?page=9#5817360
Motorola hasn't appeared to acknowledged the issue, most likely the support team is out of their depth.
My two cents is if the Android 13 update doesn't help, this phone will never have good battery life. At that point it's unlikely Motorola will revisit the battery drain on this phone and actually fix the issue.
EDIT: Also important to note, the auto mode for refresh rate doesn't appear to do anything but run 120hz unconditionally, so manually setting your phone to 60hz is sometimes necessary if you know you're going to need endurance. A lot of battery is lost to stupid things like this.
damentz said:
Unfortunately no, the only things I have found to help is disabling NFC and setting Suspend execution for cached apps to enabled in developer settings.
One guy on the official forums for the phone pointed out that there's missing management of the cores, so most power hungry core(s) stays active when it should be off: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/motoro...n-issue-while-Idle/m-p/5133194?page=9#5817360
Motorola hasn't appeared to acknowledged the issue, most likely the support team is out of their depth.
My two cents is if the Android 13 update doesn't help, this phone will never have good battery life. At that point it's unlikely Motorola will revisit the battery drain on this phone and actually fix the issue.
EDIT: Also important to note, the auto mode for refresh rate doesn't appear to do anything but run 120hz unconditionally, so manually setting your phone to 60hz is sometimes necessary if you know you're going to need endurance. A lot of battery is lost to stupid things like this.
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Thats so sad. I think Im going to skip this one and keep my a52s. I need at least 7hs of screen time
josecabre said:
Thats so sad. I think Im going to skip this one and keep my a52s. I need at least 7hs of screen time
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this appears more to be an issue with the current version of the system. And not a deficiency with the phone, but yeah the a52s looks to be real good.