Hi,
before buying S23 Ultra blindly - the same way I did with OnePlus 10 Pro I just wanted to know if S23 Ultra is overheating while being wirelessly charged and running wireless android auto (with google maps + spotify).
OP10Pro is complete trash at this task, overheating in less than 30 minutes - which is the reason I want to change the phone.
Well idk about wireless charging but if you don't fast charge it shouldn't ever overheat. I use wireless aa and usually plug my phone into a charger that isn't fast charge and as long as the phone in direct sunlight on the dash it's good.
Well, the thing is that I want to be finally use my car to the fullest with no cables dangling around. The wireless charger is in the bottom of center console, so it always is in a shadow, but it is not cooled in any way.
If only any phone could handle ~3h of wireless charging along with wireless android auto it would be perfect
I also use wireless AA and cabled charging with no issue but never tried wireless charging in the car. That said, consider using the battery protection mode to cap your charging at 85% that way it will charge for less time and then stop charging at 85 instead of constantly sending a charge in
Well the wireless charger in my car is nowhere near 'fast', it's rather of a battery percentage suspender rather than charger, so caping charging wouldn't do much in my case.
The only thing I need to know is if there is a prompt about phone being too warm while using wireless charger and wireles android auto at the same time for more than 2 hours. If the phone stays within 48 deg. Celsius it would be perfect for this task since no overheating would take place.
kodo12 said:
Well the wireless charger in my car is nowhere near 'fast', it's rather of a battery percentage suspender rather than charger, so caping charging wouldn't do much in my case.
The only thing I need to know is if there is a prompt about phone being too warm while using wireless charger and wireles android auto at the same time for more than 2 hours. If the phone stays within 48 deg. Celsius it would be perfect for this task since no overheating would take place.
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Well, I don't have the opportunity to give a try to it, but I'd suggest that you create two routines like this:
if (phone connected to your car's BT & wireless charging is active & battery level hits 60%) {
turn off wireless charging
}
if (phone connected to your car's BT & wireless charging is inactive & battery level hits 40%) {
turn on wireless charging
}
Unfortunately not a direct answer to your question but using an air vent car mount wireless charger could be a solution. Even if it gets sunlight in hot weather, turning on AC could reduce the heat.
Mozie said:
Unfortunately not a direct answer to your question but using an air vent car mount wireless charger could be a solution. Even if it gets sunlight in hot weather, turning on AC could reduce the heat.
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That would work for sure, yet this would be a pain not to use dedicated cars charger. Plus I'm not a fan of blocking the air vents. Thanks for the ideo though.
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Generally thanks to all of you for your responses!
Still waiting for someone who tested this wireless charging + wireless AA him/herself and could give a feedback on temperatures!
I use my phone for youtube in my car 1h 20m in each direction twice a day, but i charge it with a wire. I dont feel the phone overheating, sometimes when the sun hits it hard it feel warm at the top - where the sun hits it, coz i put it on a holder on middle vents. I'm 95% sure that you wont face any issues, those OEM wireless chargers are very slow, probably 5W, it will be a challange to overheat the s23u with this simple tasks. Maybe if it is 40 degrees and you dont use climate control, you may feel something. In my experience i have noticed that weak network signal makes the phone work harder, this is something to consider too, not only the phone itself. If you put it in the charger from the picture, a lot of other tech will interfere with the signal, plus you are moving with 90-140km/h.
I charge at 15W and i have no issues, you will charge at 5-10W, i guess you wont have issues too. Hopefuly someone with newer car can give you better feedback.
If you are from EU, buy it online, try it and return it if it doesnt work for you You have 14 days to return it - no question asked.
I charge with official samsung fast wireless charger EP-P2400 (15W) after full charge its very little warm. Also I have samsung lather case.
No problems with charging and heating
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I charge with official samsung fast wireless charger EP-P2400 (15W) after full charge its very little warm. Also I have samsung lather case.
No problems with charging and heating
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Have you done that with your previous phones too? If so, what was the battery like after a year or two? Did you notice any real-world/perceptible degradation etc?
I'd never owned a wireless charger before, as didn't see the point of spending money on it, but I literally got two as a free bonus recently (both Samsung official). I definitely noticed the phone get mildly warm even with normal wireless charging (not fast). This is concerning, as heat is the arch enemy of any battery.
With my usual wired charging (which is somewhat customised due to wanting to "merge" cables with my Microsoft Surface device), I get no feeling of heat whatsoever - the disadvantage is that the charging speed is only around 1% per 2 minutes, but that's more than fast enough for me in my specific situation.
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I charge with official samsung fast wireless charger EP-P2400 (15W) after full charge its very little warm. Also I have samsung lather case.
No problems with charging and heating
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How is this relevant to the OP's question of using wireless charging in the car while connected wirelessly to Android Auto?
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How is this relevant to the OP's question of using wireless charging in the car while connected wirelessly to Android Auto?
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I think it's relevant, as if it gets slightly warm even without using Android Auto, then it will likely be worse than that with Android Auto running. It would be more useful if he specified whether his description was with Android Auto running or not though.
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It is possible that your device could overheat while using wireless charging and wireless Android Auto simultaneously.
Wireless charging can generate heat as it charges your device's battery, especially if it's not properly aligned on the charging pad or if the charging pad itself is not properly ventilated. Similarly, using wireless Android Auto can also cause your device to generate heat as it uses the device's processing power and Wi-Fi or Bluetooth to communicate with your car's infotainment system. https://www.aalikinfo.com/
When using both features simultaneously, the added heat from wireless charging and wireless Android Auto can potentially cause your device to overheat. To prevent this, make sure that your device is properly aligned on the charging pad and that the charging pad is adequately ventilated. You can also try reducing the brightness of your device's screen or turning off other battery-intensive features to help keep your device cool.
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I am well aware of the fact that wireless charging + wireless AA is likely to generate considerate amount of heat. As mentioned in the beggining I currently use OnePlus 10 Pro which has one of the worst CPUs there are in terms of warming up.
This whole thread was to find a person who actually has Samsung S23 Ultra and is using this phone with wireless android auto while charging wirelessly and could confirm or decline the phone experiencing problems in this very scenario.
From what I've heared the S22 Ultra was managing heat good enough not to experience this issues, but since S23 is running snap gen 3 and not the same exynos as predecessor then I just though I might as well ask.
You can always close "Fast Wireless Charging" option from the battery settings menu of your settings menu
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You can always close "Fast Wireless Charging" option from the battery settings menu of your settings menu
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My car provides lousy 15W or so charging, so I suppose it wouldn't make a difference.
Still I can't buy such expensive phone not knowing for sure it doesn't overheats in such a simple task.
I've tried it on an X5 and I haven't faced any heating issues.
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Well, I don't have the opportunity to give a try to it, but I'd suggest that you create two routines like this:
if (phone connected to your car's BT & wireless charging is active & battery level hits 60%) {
turn off wireless charging
}
if (phone connected to your car's BT & wireless charging is active & battery level hits 40%) {
turn on wireless charging
}
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These routines cannot stop charging, they can only slow it down by disabling fast charging, charging continues at a slower rate so your resume charging at 40% routine will never be activated. Only Battery Protection at 85% stops charging completely when this feature is turned on.
I have wireless aa and running it for 30 mins = 6% battery drain. I have a slow wireless charger in the car too and running both simultaneously = slight heating. In short, it's not good for the battery's health for it to charge and be heavily used at the same time. To me, wireless aa is a failed cause and can't be as good as wireless carplay. Connection drop outs and excessive battery drains have led me to abandon this.
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These routines cannot stop charging, they can only slow it down by disabling fast charging, charging continues at a slower rate so your resume charging at 40% routine will never be activated. Only Battery Protection at 85% stops charging completely when this feature is turned on.
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Well, they do.
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I've noticed that when using TeleNav / ATT Navigator, my battery doesn't charge.
I do a soft reset and stop using GPS, the battery begins to charge.
This has happened with several Roms, so this leads me to believe that it's an equipment issue. I don't know if I'm alone with this issue.
Something like this is easy to overlook. The only reason I noticed is because I had to use GPS a lot more than usual and my battery went out while it was supposed to be charging.
If you're using any type of GPS, take a look. If you're good or not, just state what you use.
Thanks.
Mine will charge when I am using Garmin or GoogleMaps.... I have noticed that if the phone gets to warm it will still discharge even if it is plugged in. Keep an eye on the temperature of your phone!
Thx
JFlitt
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I have noticed that if the phone gets to warm it will still discharge even if it is plugged in.
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I've got my phone mounted on a spare belt clip i attached to my dashboard and ive noticed the same thing. there comes a time after it's been charging for a while when the light stops "breathing" but the battery is not fully charged. As far as GPS, i figured it wasted battery faster than it could charge, since i also have bt and the display stays on. I've been meaning to try it with an A/C charger in the car instead of the 12VDC. I'll let you know if theres any difference.
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*JFlitt*
I noticed the HEAT, my TILT did the same thing but it charged. The only issue I had with the TILT is when the battery is under 30%, I would have pull out the battery before it decided to charge.
*gmgonzal*
I'm using a mount also (15'' Gooseneck non-winshield). It starts out charging and then stops. I'll try with an AC adapter also just to see what happens.
There maybe something to this GPS & Charging......
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I have the Ac charger in my car and it works wonders. If I run more than three things at once then it will stop charging. All it take is a soft reset. Then all is well. As most said keep an eye on the temp. BTW I am using Energy's 2.0 040509 build with TomTom 7.915(9196)
Thanks Max, I figured the AC Charger would be better, it always charged very quickly at home.
Noticed the same thing on a six hour car trip. I use a gooseneck windshield mount and have Garmin XT and bluetooth to the stereo all the time. After a couple hundred miles it stopped charging and the backlight goes off, making it a pain in the ass for looking at the GPS screen, any suggestions? are u using a ac adapter and than plugging in your home charger? BTW am using an old Motorola car charger from the early RZR days.
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Noticed the same thing on a six hour car trip. I use a gooseneck windshield mount and have Garmin XT and bluetooth to the stereo all the time. After a couple hundred miles it stopped charging and the backlight goes off, making it a pain in the ass for looking at the GPS screen, any suggestions? are u using a ac adapter and than plugging in your home charger? BTW am using an old Motorola car charger from the early RZR days.
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No difference if you use a 12v or a 110v charger.
The TP warms up and at a certain temperature shuts off the charging so it will not extra over heat.
I place my TP where the AC can cool it down and since then - it will charge for hours.
EP
epriel said:
No difference if you use a 12v or a 110v charger.
The TP warms up and at a certain temperature shuts off the charging so it will not extra over heat.
I place my TP where the AC can cool it down and since then - it will charge for hours.
EP
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That's freaking hilarious. I do the same thing. I notices my Fuze would stop charging when plugged into my car charger if it got too hot, so I simply positioned it where my AC would hit it. Now I don't have that problem anymore.
I tried the AC charger in the car....same thing.
Tried Google Maps also. Basically when I use GPS, charging stops when the device got warm. My device didn't take long to get warm....about 2 minutes.
There's gotta be away around this other than placing it on the air vents. The TILT performed much better with GPS.
my results
finally got a good long run with gps on I-95 and this is what I found:
1. According to tBattery, the 110V charger and the 12VDC charger were the same as far as charge being + 100 with the gps on, so the battery would still be charged if gps is running with the screen almost full brightness, BT on and a data connection.
2. Also according to tBattery, the temperature got to above 46 degrees when I noticed the phone was no longer charging, whereas at home it rarely gets over 33 degrees. The current showed more than 300 negative under these conditions.
SO technically, once the phone stops charging due to temperature, the GPS with screen full on and all the rest tend to drain the battery. Even if the phone is plugged in to the charger. If only it would stop charging the battery but at least take power for the device from the charger, that would have been good.
So I'm going to reposition the device on my dash to where the AC vents can hit it as others have done!
I have two different chargers in my car. The one that will charge my touch pro while running GPS navigation is 5V/1A. The one, that will not charge while navigating has 5V/500mA (which is max. USB-power according to the specs).
Since TP's GPS consumes approximately 500mA (I've read that somewhere on the internet), there will not be enough power to charge. Keep an eye on this.
I went on a 1Hr trip....
AC Adapter-Got hot in about 8 minutes...stop charging, reset needed
Cig Adapter-Got hot in about 8 minutes also...stop charging, reset needed
Aimed the AC on the device...Device charged the whole trip.
Bottom line....Keep it cool!
Lithium Ion batteries in devices all do this as far as I know. I remember back when I used my Dell Axim x51v for navigation is when I found this out for the first time. It would sit in direct sunlight on my dash and quit charging within about 5 minutes of use. One time during the winter I noticed when I didn't turn my heater on that it charged for much longer. Then the light bulb went off in my brain.
Same thing went for my Q9H, Tilt, and now Fuze. A lil air from the vent helps a lot, and keeping it out of the sunlight is an even better option.
Could anyone please post their experiences with wireless charging while using their n6 as a bedside clock. I've read on another thread that one person couldn't use their n6 as a clock because the screen would turn off once fully charged. I use my s4 like this so it's important to me.
Thanks
From what I have read on this site, the nexus 6 will shut it's screen off even if you have it checked to stay on in dev options, so if you need to see the clock you may run into this issue.
Using app "Dock Clock". Screen remains on after full charge reached. Screen stay awake is checked in developer options. paid version force closes, however.
I can confirm with wireless charging in daydream mode, utilizing the clock, it does in fact stop dreaming once battery reaches 100%. I've tried different methods, such as adjusting when it starts to daydream etc, same results. I'm using a TYLT VU QI, but I've read several posts that suggest the type of charger does not matter.. it's a QI issue. I have not experimented with any external apps, rather I was hoping I could fix it natively. Hope this helps out and they patch it sooner than later.
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Screen turns off at full charge. Takes several hours for the phone to charge to full.
I use my TYLT Vu, set my phone sideways, and have tasker open up Dock Clock app when I am wirelessly charging after 9 PM. It stays on all night, the clock moves around on the screen so it doesn't burn in, and it is awesome. I haven't really had a bedside clock before this because screens are so darned bright. I really like this .9 lux, and using a red clock makes it super awesome to sleep next to. Also the screen is on all night, it doesn't turn off ever.
Unlike most qi-enabled phones, the N6 completely stops charging when it hits full charge. Other phones enter a "trickle charge" mode, where they kind of stop and start again in bursts when needed, but still show that they're constantly charging in the battery indicator. Since the N6 completely stops, it's as if the device were removed from the charger, so Daydream, and any other app that detects charging (like the "screen always on when charging" dev option) will fail, since... um... the device isn't charging, and will remain that way until it reaches 98% charge, or so, when it starts up again. I can tell you that Nexus 5 with Lollipop does not do this, so it's not a Google (i.e. Lollipop) thing, it's a Motorola thing. Moto would need to update this in a software update (assuming it's possible) for a true fix.
There are apps that can keep the screen on all night, for use as a bedside clock. They work like any other app that keeps the screen on, however, so they do NOT detect when the device is charging. You'd need to manually exit the app after removing the device from the charger in the morning. They won't auto-exit like Daydream does (or else, they'd exit when the N6 hit 100% charge, just like Daydream). That is an option, although a clunky one.
I don't use my N6 as a bedside clock, but I was concerned about burn-in, so I set up a "Trigger" function (kind of like "Tasker" light) to set the time-out value to 15s when 100% charge is reached (technically, >99%), and back to my regular time-out (1m) when the device falls to 99% while not charging. This sounds like it wouldn't do much, but what it really does is allow my screen to shut off very quickly when the N6 stops charging, and even though it flips back to a 1m time-out afterwards, the screen stays off. Prior to this, I'd often wake to find my phone sitting on the home screen, where it's been for who knows how long. Now, when I wake, the screen is always off, and I can rest a bit easier about burn-in issues.
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I use my TYLT Vu, set my phone sideways, and have tasker open up Dock Clock app when I am wirelessly charging after 9 PM. It stays on all night, the clock moves around on the screen so it doesn't burn in, and it is awesome. I haven't really had a bedside clock before this because screens are so darned bright. I really like this .9 lux, and using a red clock makes it super awesome to sleep next to. Also the screen is on all night, it doesn't turn off ever.
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Thanks Rustid. Since I use Dock clock now with my s4 this is immensely helpful. Now I can order my n6 and a qi charger with piece of mind!
Also, there is no magnet to guide the pad to the sweet spot... I have a coaster style qi pad, and if it's no on just right, it won't charge at all, just gets really hot...
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Unlike most qi-enabled phones, the N6 completely stops charging when it hits full charge. Other phones enter a "trickle charge" mode, where they kind of stop and start again in bursts when needed, but still show that they're constantly charging in the battery indicator. Since the N6 completely stops, it's as if the device were removed from the charger, so Daydream, and any other app that detects charging (like the "screen always on when charging" dev option) will fail, since... um... the device isn't charging, and will remain that way until it reaches 98% charge, or so, when it starts up again. I can tell you that Nexus 5 with Lollipop does not do this, so it's not a Google (i.e. Lollipop) thing, it's a Motorola thing. Moto would need to update this in a software update (assuming it's possible) for a true fix.
There are apps that can keep the screen on all night, for use as a bedside clock. They work like any other app that keeps the screen on, however, so they do NOT detect when the device is charging. You'd need to manually exit the app after removing the device from the charger in the morning. They won't auto-exit like Daydream does (or else, they'd exit when the N6 hit 100% charge, just like Daydream). That is an option, although a clunky one.
I don't use my N6 as a bedside clock, but I was concerned about burn-in, so I set up a "Trigger" function (kind of like "Tasker" light) to set the time-out value to 15s when 100% charge is reached (technically, >99%), and back to my regular time-out (1m) when the device falls to 99% while not charging. This sounds like it wouldn't do much, but what it really does is allow my screen to shut off very quickly when the N6 stops charging, and even though it flips back to a 1m time-out afterwards, the screen stays off. Prior to this, I'd often wake to find my phone sitting on the home screen, where it's been for who knows how long. Now, when I wake, the screen is always off, and I can rest a bit easier about burn-in issues.
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Dock clock comes on automatically from Home screen when connected to charger, stays on all night even after full charge, then automatically turns off when disconnecting from charger. Works on free version. The plus version fc's.
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Dock clock comes on automatically from Home screen when connected to charger, stays on all night even after full charge, then automatically turns off when disconnecting from charger. Works on free version. The plus version fc's.
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How does it know you've taken it off the charger? When the Nexus 6 hits 100%, it indicates that it's no longer charging, just as if it had been removed from the charger. How does Dock Clock differentiate? Does it use the motion sensor or something?
...or are you talking about a plug-in charger? The nexus 6 daydream mode works perfectly fine on plug-in charger. It's only when wireless charging that it indicates that it's no longer charging once it hits 100%. If you're talking about plug-in charger, then you should test to see if Dock Clock turns off when Nexus 6 reaches 100% on a WIRELESS charger. I suspect it would turn off, then turn on again when the N6 starts charging again (around 98%).
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How does it know you've taken it off the charger? When the Nexus 6 hits 100%, it indicates that it's no longer charging, just as if it had been removed from the charger. How does Dock Clock differentiate? Does it use the motion sensor or something?
...or are you talking about a plug-in charger? The nexus 6 daydream mode works perfectly fine on plug-in charger. It's only when wireless charging that it indicates that it's no longer charging once it hits 100%. If you're talking about plug-in charger, then you should test to see if Dock Clock turns off when Nexus 6 reaches 100% on a WIRELESS charger. I suspect it would turn off, then turn on again when the N6 starts charging again (around 98%).
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Sorry, I misunderstood. Yes I was talking about the plug-in charger. I don't use the wireless charger at night. Uses more energy for same amount of charge plus indicator light on wireless charger is too bright.
Last night was my first time using the Itian A6 charger, but when I woke up this morning, gentle alarm (in night mode) was still awake and displaying the time...
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Last night was my first time using the Itian A6 charger, but when I woke up this morning, gentle alarm (in night mode) was still awake and displaying the time...
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As a follow-up, no issues with this setup. The wireless charging does turn off when it hits 100, bit comes back on when it needs to. Never started the day with less than 99, which works fine for me. Gentle alarm is still my bedside clock as it has been for years. Now with a bigger screen
every time in used my TYLT when I picked my phone up it was at 99%. It usually says its been on for 30 minutes at that point. I dont really mind because 1%sitting l doesn't hurt.
Here's how I am experimenting:
1. Set Daydream to activate when docked (this is to prevent it from activating "while charged").
2. Set Tasker to launch Daydream Launcher:StartDaydream when device starts wirelessly charging (no exit task).
3. Set Tasker to set display timeout to 23hr 59min 59s when in Daydream (and then an exit task to set it to 2min or whatever).
4. Set Stay Alive! to, well, stay alive when Daydream is running.
Battery discharge per hour (when charging has stopped):
No Daydream - 2.4%
Daydream - 5.6%
First decline is without Daydream, subsequent three are with Daydream (ignore steeper slopes at end of declines when I was using device):
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ETA: Okay, 4 hours after reaching 100% it stayed awake and discharged down to 78%. It did not start wirelessly charging again.
I'm on the Aukey Luna, and it had a glowing LED the whole time. So somehow this is preventing charging.
I have a Qualcomm 3.0 car charger which was worked with my older phone Samsung S8Plus and charge without any problem
Now I have a S9+ and it's not charging . Notification said it's connected to quick charger,but it's not charging just keep same battery level all the time and I am driving 45-50 minutes every day
Any ideas what it could be? And how to fix that.
If I'm running Waze and have the screen at high brightness my Samsung fast charger has trouble keeping up too... It might charge a couple of percent per hour but that's it.
Dropping the screen brightness a bit allows it to charge a bit faster.
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If I'm running Waze and have the screen at high brightness my Samsung fast charger has trouble keeping up too... It might charge a couple of percent per hour but that's it.
Dropping the screen brightness a bit allows it to charge a bit faster.
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I use Waze and Internet Radio app in split screen, my brightness is like 55% not auto
Today I disable fast charge and no different so far.
These phones seem to have sensitive heat throttling, mine charges slow when running Waze and music at the same time. Try placing it in front of your AC vent and see if keeping it cool speeds up charging.
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These phones seem to have sensitive heat throttling, mine charges slow when running Waze and music at the same time. Try placing it in front of your AC vent and see if keeping it cool speeds up charging.
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Well mine is right in front of the A/C grill
Will try to use different charger today
Not sure what would be causing it, but there should still be no problem with it keeping up. For reference, I run my 9+ at auto brightness in the car, running Torque Pro, Waze, and Pandora full time to work and back, 40+ minutes each way. I have a Verizon branded charger that I got with my V30 back in Nov, and it has no issue not only keeping up, but also charging it up. I easily get a minimum of 15% or more charging just in that time.
I order me another charger . Will come in couple days . Anker 24W ,3.0
That one according Android Police one of the best chargers for our phone. Will see
Got new charger Sunday and try right away
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Sorry to be a nuisance, but I have a Baseus wireless charger installed in my car and all was fine and it did fast charging until it downloaded the UI 3.1 update.
Now the phone comes up with a ! in a battery saying that fast charging is not supported with this charger, so am a bit confused what's happened or changed, I like the fast charging aspect of it as it can put a good dollop of power into the phone on the way to work and I can also put Bluetooth on to link it to my car.
If it can no longer do this then I will need to change the charger.
So if this is the case, could somebody please recommend a fast wireless in car charger that will work with my S20+ 5G.
Thank you.
Interesting. I can't imagine wireless fast charging can be very fast, I was surprised to see the term.
Even Samsung talks about it albeit with no specs.
Samsung is historically notorious for bending the truth one way or another... you need to really scrutinize them carefully.
I wonder how "fast" it is compared to conventional fast charging with the 25w brick?
Apparently you're not alone and to make matters even worse the issue means no wireless charging at all to many of the effected users.
Samsung phones are having problems with fast wireless charging
The issues may have started with a recent security update
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Best work around probably is to use cable fast charging and go for frequent midrange (40-65%) quick charges that only take 10-15 minutes but give enough mAhs to last 2-3 hours of screen on time. Li batteries love to be used like this and it can greatly prolong their service life.
Temperature matters; the battery needs sufficient temperature to support the electrochemical reaction properly.
Never start a charge cycle if battery is at freezing.
Avoid doing so if the battery is below 60°F
Below 72°F Li plating damage during charging becomes an issue and if it happens will permanently damage the battery's capacity.
Best start temp range is 80-90°F.
Fast charging* will not engage if the battery temperature is too low or high (approximately 100°F or higher).
Will disengage if temp goes too high as well when charging; first fast charging then all charging once it gets to about 101°F or higher*.
Best charging temp range is 80-99°F
*these charge throttling/auto shutdown values will most likely apply to wireless charging as well.
Thanks for the quick reply.
It's just that I find it most odd that this has only started to occur after the latest update, prior to that no issues whatsoever.
All I know is that when I put my phone into the holder, the jaws close and it normally says Fast charging: xx% and a estimated time to full charge.
A typical fast charge takes about 15-18 minutes which takes it from ~90ish% to 100%, I like to have the phone up to full charge before I get to work as I never know when I might get another chance to charge my phone off the mains.
Another oddity is that I have a Spigen wireless desktop charger and that does a fast charge without any issues.
TheDriver67 said:
Thanks for the quick reply.
It's just that I find it most odd that this has only started to occur after the latest update, prior to that no issues whatsoever.
All I know is that when I put my phone into the holder, the jaws close and it normally says Fast charging: xx% and a estimated time to full charge.
A typical fast charge takes about 15-18 minutes which takes it from ~90ish% to 100%, I like to have the phone up to full charge before I get to work as I never know when I might get another chance to charge my phone off the mains.
Another oddity is that I have a Spigen wireless desktop charger and that does a fast charge without any issues.
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Updates... destroyer of worlds.
Hopefully they will correct it and push it out soon.
Try clearing the system cache.
Double check settings.
You can try a hard reboot (not reset).
The associated apks for it are probably in Android services but clearing its data would cause a lot of work resetting settings and may not help at all.
If you did a major firmware update ie OS upgrade a factory reset is a good plan, otherwise it's likely a waste of time.
I'm now even more confused, this evening I put the phone in the holster/charger and it instantly initiated fast charging and topped the phone up in 15 mins.
I've tried turning on WiFi hotspot, no change, WiFi on/off and it still charged at fast speed.
Turned Bluetooth on no change. So I don't know why it's doing what it's doing. Weird.
Hi,
OneUI 5.0 and previous one also introduced protect battery that doesn't allow u charge phone above 85%. I am using it often because for me it dont affect my phone usage patterns. I can charge phone at least once per 8h and it is almost impossible to discharge phone in time (I have S23+ but I am posting here cuz its more active tag). I am leaving house at 80% and coming back at 50% in overtime scenario.
But also I read it is healthy to full discharge (or till 5-10%) and then full charge phone at least once a month and some sources says even more frequently to do it.
On one side rumours says u should always avoid discharging under 25% and charging over 80%, and other says u should relatively frequently discharge ur phone and then charge it up till full.
I want to know how it works in theory I am not interested in getting answers like "lol man why u even care, phone is for you not otherwise" - because it is often answer in topics like that.
I think that charging to 85% with low speed will be more than enough.
I saw with my gf phone, hauwei p30 pro.
I tried so hard to "teach" her a proper charging routine, but she just doesn't care. The only thing I managed to do is silently enable the "smart charging" to stop charge battery under max capacity.
After 3 years honestly her battery life is still great, as it was mine with the regular Huawei p30 (me, a maniac as you).
Anyway, if you really like the phone, you can afford replace battery after 4 years (should be even cheaper with s23 ultra)
Fl1nt91 said:
I think that charging to 85% with low speed will be more than enough.
I saw with my gf phone, hauwei p30 pro.
I tried so hard to "teach" her a proper charging routine, but she just doesn't care. The only thing I managed to do is silently enable the "smart charging" to stop charge battery under max capacity.
After 3 years honestly her battery life is still great, as it was mine with the regular Huawei p30 (me, a maniac as you).
Anyway, if you really like the phone, you can afford replace battery after 4 years (should be even cheaper with s23 ultra)
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I am using 20W to charge my S23+ so it is not slowest charge but not fastest aswell. Still alot slower than chinese products offering 100W+. I think charging from 20 do 80 in like 35-40 mins is really healthy for battery.
My problem with replacing battery is more that it is hard to find original one and find service that can replace it without losing data and other stuff. At least I had much problems with it with my previous phone but it was realme not samsung so I am aware after 2 years I will have problems with replacing it.
Minimize the current drain. Higher current drain reduces the battery's life span by requiring more full charge cycles for the tasks but also by raising the operating temperature.
Avoid starting a charge cycle below a battery temperature of 72F, 82 is better. Keep charging temps below 102F. 82-99F is ideal.
NEVER attempt to charge a Li that's near freezing temperatures.
Li's prefer frequent midrange power cycling rather than longer usage/charge times. My typical cutoff is 40% or higher and 72% if I'm trying to extend the battery life. Ideally it should be allowed to "settle" after a charge before using.
Never charge with the display on.
When the battery reaches 80% of its new capacity it's considered degraded and should be replaced. Degraded cells are more likely to fail. Any swelling is a failure, replace immediately. A failed Li can damage the display.
I totaly abused my note 10 plus from september 2019 to february 2023, so almost 4 years - charging to 100%, connecting/disconnecting whenever i needed it, playing games while charging everyday, draining it to 0% sometimes, other times it was on 92% or 87% and i was planning a long day, so i charge it to 100%, full abuse. My battery was in perfect condition till the day i bought the s23u. I think that the quality of the battery matters much more than the way you use it, your usage patterns have very little effect on the battery in the period you use your phone. Maybe if we start using our phones for 10-15 years, it will matter, but...
I don't do the stop at 85% on my devices but I do turn off all fast charging and I'm happy with that, but that's just me.
1) Don't put your phone on charge and sleep 10 hours.
2) Keep your charge between sweet spots. %40 - %80 is always ideal.
3) Fast charging does not harm.
4) Don't play games while charging.
5) Don't let your phone get too hot. Hot battery die sooner.
I use default 25w oficial charger from Samsung S21 Ultra, i have like 4 of those and i see no point in having a 45w to shave 10mins of charging time. Fast charging enabled.
I also made a routine, on Saturday and Sunday it disables battery protection so it charges 100% for when i travel and use camera a lot, during work days battery protection(85%) is enabled by default.
I have my S23U 1080p 120hz using light mode all the time and i'm having good results.
in my life I've had a lot of smartphones and what I can say is that I've never performed these types of charges from 25% to 85% and I've never had a problem, however where I had problems was with smartphones that had a processor badly optimizing the heating prevents the battery from working properly and above all the cables and chargers if you use non-official chargers or damage your battery, there is a risk of damage
From what I read it does not matter if you charge to 100 % but you should not continue charging it.
To prevent this I just made a routine that turns on the 85 % mode as soon as it reaches 99 % (I guess I could've chosen 100 % but did not...). Then it stops charging and I wake up with around 99 % charge..
Try to not go below 30% and never ever go to 0 or close to it. Li Ion battery are fragile in deep discharge as same li polymer batteries. So never go in deep discharge, it makes more damage to the battery than charge it to 100%. I have 10y lipos batteries for my RC models that i never go below 30% and they still have 95% of capacity... 10y and running fine in hard condition RC helicopters that pulls all the battery to 30% in 5 minutes. Li ion are the same...
Why not play games while charging? Isn't also supposed top have power passthrough?
illetyus said:
1) Don't put your phone on charge and sleep 10 hours.
2) Keep your charge between sweet spots. %40 - %80 is always ideal.
3) Fast charging does not harm.
4) Don't play games while charging.
5) Don't let your phone get too hot. Hot battery die sooner.
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Justas A. said:
Why not play games while charging? Isn't also supposed top have power passthrough?
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Well probably it is because gaming = heat and chargin = heat. Double source of heat may cause battery damage. This is probably the only reason.
Battery University has a really good article on what causes excess battery damage.
Basically, after manufacturing, the battery will get damaged even if it just sits there. But the things to really look out for:
Don't leave the battery discharged
Avoid heat
Don't charge when the battery is cold
Don't charge when the battery is hot
Fast charging creates heat
Don't charge/discharge above a rate of 1C
Don't keep the battery at a high voltage (fully charged)
So keep the battery between ~30-80% at a reasonable temperature
Since my first smartphone (a BlackBerry Curve) I've charged my phone's to 100%, left them on the charger all night, and plugged in in the car. I've never seen a noticeable degradation of battery life. I know it happens, but I think it's been blown out of proportion.
What's the point of a big battery and great battery life if you ly charge it to 85%? I think by the time the battery actually reached the point that it only had the equivalent of 85% health/life you'll be long ready to trade it in.
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Since my first smartphone (a BlackBerry Curve) I've charged my phone's to 100%, left them on the charger all night, and plugged in in the car. I've never seen a noticeable degradation of battery life. I know it happens, but I think it's been blown out of proportion.
What's the point of a big battery and great battery life if you ly charge it to 85%? I think by the time the battery actually reached the point that it only had the equivalent of 85% health/life you'll be long ready to trade it in.
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If you plan to hold it for at least 4 years its worth saving battery. And i believe this is the phone i'm going to hold for a long time. And like i said before, using routine for weekends at 100% battery.
This is me today at work, from 85% to 71% in 10 hours, 35min sot, with 4 calls less then 5min each since i'm at work i can't use my phone all the time. 1080p, 120hz, ligth mode. wifi and bluetooth enabled with watch honor magic 2 connected.
I know it's in Portuguese but you can understand by icons and stuff.
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Xoltro said:
Hi,
OneUI 5.0 and previous one also introduced protect battery that doesn't allow u charge phone above 85%. I am using it often because for me it dont affect my phone usage patterns. I can charge phone at least once per 8h and it is almost impossible to discharge phone in time (I have S23+ but I am posting here cuz its more active tag). I am leaving house at 80% and coming back at 50% in overtime scenario.
But also I read it is healthy to full discharge (or till 5-10%) and then full charge phone at least once a month and some sources says even more frequently to do it.
On one side rumours says u should always avoid discharging under 25% and charging over 80%, and other says u should relatively frequently discharge ur phone and then charge it up till full.
I want to know how it works in theory I am not interested in getting answers like "lol man why u even care, phone is for you not otherwise" - because it is often answer in topics like that.
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To save battery for max you should always have from 50 to 70% charge from 10C* to 45C* do not use phone lower or higher degrees it may cause bad reaction to battery. Do not use fast charge all this stuff based on a lot of researches you can find it.
xwonic said:
If you plan to hold it for at least 4 years its worth saving battery. And i believe this is the phone i'm going to hold for a long time. And like i said before, using routine for weekends at 100% battery.
This is me today at work, from 85% to 71% in 10 hours, 35min sot, with 4 calls less then 5min each since i'm at work i can't use my phone all the time. 1080p, 120hz, ligth mode. wifi and bluetooth enabled with watch honor magic 2 connected.
I know it's in Portuguese but you can understand by icons and stuff.
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Ok, if you're going to keep it that long I can see trying to maintain the battery. I do trade in yearly, but in that year Ive never seen any degradation. And I do all the things you're not supposed to. It stays in my car on the charger in the heat and the cold. I leave it charging all night. I abuse TF out of my battery. The rest of the phone I keep pristine tho, LOL.
I don't worry about battery at all. I love fast charging option and it's always on. I need the phone to charge fast, even though Samsung's 45W is actually really slow today. Why I don't care? Because my 2 years warranty covers the battery issues too (2X per year) so I can ask them to exchange the battery if the condition degrades.
gmadjara said:
I don't worry about battery at all. I love fast charging option and it's always on. I need the phone to charge fast, even though Samsung's 45W is actually really slow today. Why I don't care? Because my 2 years warranty covers the battery issues too (2X per year) so I can ask them to exchange the battery if the condition degrades.
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Agree, fast charging is just too convenient. I do limit top charge and discharge % though. On this heavily used N10+ I expect about a 2 year battery lifespan. Battery change outs aren't that hard or expensive. It's going to be on its 3rd battery soon. The first one had a hard life because the phone wasn't properly optimized the first few months; constant high current drains will kill the battery prematurely.