Has anyone tried to get the ROMS directly from HTC? HTC is the one who make the final release of each vertion and give it to the retailers, right?
I think HTC manufacture the hardware and the service providers make bespoke roms to program the phone with.
Microsoft gives the OEM's (HTC, HP, MOTOROLA) The Base POCKET PC PHONE EDITION OS. The OEM then Builds ROM versions for each of their respective hardware devices. The Vendors of the HArdware then make their tweeks to those ROM images to work with their network etc. Then there are also variables or circular references such as HTC is contracted by HP to build the device they designed....
Getting the stuff from Microsoft will not get anyone closer to a working 'latest build' OS, since it requires a specific hardware patch.
Getting a ROM from a service provider will only give us the access to the special version patched for this specific operator, and it's not desirable for those of us who want the cleanest build possible (so we can add our own crap from scratch :twisted: ).
Or maybe I'm a little confused here. Does the extended ROM contains the crap from the operator, or does the standard and extended ROM contains that crap?
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I have read and seen a lot about the ROM for the XDA2 but still can't understand everything abopuut it.
I understand that it is the Memory in the device that loads when you give it a hard reset. So what are the differences between the different ROM's around and is there one that stands up better than the rest?
Also how do you go about changing the ROM? And is it a safe procedure. Can I save the ROM I have and put it back with ease if a new one does not work for me?
All these questions I would love to know the answers to but could not find the answers directly here, is there anywhere I can point my navigator to to find out in simple non geekie language?
I wish I was a Geek but my brain will not cope with too much techkie stuff at one time and shuts down
Adam
Butler,
I understand your pain! But you have to begin somewhere...
Changing ROMs is a dangerous process that can lead even the most experienced " geek" through a lot of frustration and wasted time. It is however, in the nature of us, who are never contented with the normal out of the box" oftenly" flawed solutions, to tinker and experiment with the devices and create customized versions containing only the best for what we want to do.
The ROM is the software that makes your XDA work, the OS(operating system) for your device. It contains all the programs and applications needed to run the phone and PDA aspects. It also contains what is called a Radio Stack, which is what runs the Radio/ Phone version of the device.
Sometimes, these carriers will take the OS and make modifications such as installing their own time measuring/ messagin applications.These apps often cause a lot of issues in regards to performance and memory leaks and etc.
Our devices have an Operating System provided by Microsoft :twisted: and based on the Windows CE ( Compact Edition), which itself has many versions. The latest of these versions is what is called Windows Mobile 2003.
There are many ROM and Radio Stack versions ( like OS's) each with features and functionalities which work best for certain phone providers.
The XDA, MDA and XDAII are manufactured by a company called HTC ( called an OEM- Original Equipment Manufacturer) for many of our carriers.)
So playing with your ROM means potentially lobotomizing your unit :roll: , which is a thought that scares some and excites some! It is a great feeling to bring back a unit that was non-functioning or DEAD and have it working the way you want it to work...
My recomendation is that you read the posts in this and other boards before you decide to do an upgrade or tweak your XDA. Good Luck! 8)
Thanks for that Great Information. I had guessed a few of the things you wrote but it's nice to know these things from a real understandable Geek.
I love to mess with these things as well as long as I have an escape plan. Is there a way to save your exixting ROM on a PC and try others out, and if they don't work or I just dont like them put it back. I am sure there is but I have no idea how. How do you extract and load a ROM?? Also if the new ROM fails and the device does not start up can you still connect the XDA2 to a PC to put back your origional of another ROM. That is the bit that sounds scarry to me.
I use the O2 ROM that came with the phone and it really needs a bit of improving. There are several issues with it that could be looked at. Do you know of any great Radio Stacks out there???
Thanks again
Adam
By the way I am a photographer working for AP based in London and use my phone all the time to transmit my pictures back to the office. The phone does not work as well as a nokia in reliable GSM conections and GPRS and is slower have you any ideas about it?
yes they are but wait its only for ipaq's & dell
and even window media player-10 t that is also for ipaq's & dell.
how mean of them inspite all the htc devices run on windows.
someone gotta teach them a lesson.
heres the link see for yourself's
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/pscmisc/vac/us/en/sm/pocketpc/MS5.0_upgrade.html for wm5
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/windowsmobile/default.aspx
for wm-10 player
can someone tell me if this will work on a himalaya?
am ready to buy this os
regards.
Hi
First of all, read wiki, and then ask questions.
Microsoft doesn't 'sell' WM5.0 roms.
Several devices' vendors support buying/upgrading, but unfortunately not HTC.
However, you can get WM5 for Himalaya, because wonderful people at xda-developers made this possible.
Read wiki, to get it:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Himalaya
Note, that this upgrade is not official and is still problematic....
People here are working hard to make it better.
@robal
dont be in a hurry, go to the link i have posted and see for yourself they are selling it for $39.99.
and yes i am aware of the wm5 rom's on buzzdev, and they have ton's of bug's.
since they are selling the rom in the hp site.
it should be trouble free.
Same as update to 2003se. Won't work (without patches) on any other then Ipaq's and Dell's. For other devices you are refered to the manifacturer.
Looked at this before, strategy of microsoft still the same.
Don't buy unless they say that they have an upgrade for your "specific" device.
A Real M$
ms dont make roms for devices
for the ipaq's hp makes roms for their devices and sell them
for htc devices htc makes roms for their devices and offer them for free
people must understand that when you buy a cd with windows for your pc it include all the drivers so it will run on every pc supported
when you get a rom for your device where the size of the rom is limited in space you only get the drivers and stuff for that very device and not anything else
roms are custom made and hardcoded to work on that special hardware config
if ms sell mw2005 but only to pda manufactors along with the tools required to build the rom from scratch along with the drivers for the cam or wifi cpu and the likes that pda uses
if you buy a hp rom then it will work just fine
that is if you install it on the supported hp pda
it will not work on anything else
Hello :
Does anyone already have the new htc rom ?
Thnks a Lot
L
All the roms we have are listed here, if what you are looking for is not here, we don't have it:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Upgrades
Great ! We always try to find what is new....i know the wiki....
The idea is to catch the rom somewhere in the world....do you get ???
Here's my take on this:
I believe that HTC themselves are part of the developer block behind the various Operator Hermes releases. I believe they did the DoPod update and they're doing Cingular now. With each progressive update, the list of issues gets smaller, but their own resources are being consumed with operator QA cycles.
That being said and given that the TyTN is HTC's "flagship" version of the Hermes, I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that the TyTN ROM update will be AKU3.0 and will be released sometime after the Cingular 8525 ROM development has concluded.
This is just a hunch on my part, but if it makes a certain (twisted) amount of sense if you think about it. If its true, we won't see the next TyTN ROM until the Oct-Nov timeframe. If its AKU3.0 it'll be worth the wait however. Based on my xp with the new Cingular ROM, I can see that they are stretching AKU2.6 in an attempt to fix the A2DP issue. Its better, but something is wrong with the base Architecture IMO. HTC will really need some fundamental "plumbing" modifications from M$ to make A2DP work well on the TyTN and that is one of the big promises of AKU3.0.
Interesting insight, Sleuth... one can only hope!
I would say HTC is heads down prioritising finishing the ROMs for the several new devices that are coming out Oct-Nov, ready for Christmas. New product completion usually takes precedence over support, especially since we are not providing any ongoing support revenue for HTC.
I'd also say that Tytn has been a buggy and problematic release for HTC. And given that the newer products will have similar internals, HTC is trying to up the quality on these. It's quite a sensible product strategy to release a new hardware/software platform (Tytn being first) to a smaller market (keyboard PDAs must sell less than non-keyboard ones), find out the problems, and learn from these before releasing the products that will reach a wider audience.
That's the glass-half-empty take on this for sure montyA...
That's what working 14 hour days for a software developer will do to ya!
with the Wizard, HTC (or qtek) managed to get out a bug-fix rom early (the 1.67 rom), and then made everyone wait for the AKU2 rom (the 2.x roms) while they worked on the Cingular, t-mobile, etc roms.
bummer that they can't do the same here and give us a bug-fix rom while we wait for the AKU3 rom release...
I've been using my advantage happily for the last few years and hadn't even noticed that T-mobile UK had released a new ROM "RUU_Athena_TMO_UK_1.12.110.6_1.32.00.00_Ship" from my current "Athena_WM6_TMUK_2.35.110.4".
Has anybody tried this run as I'm reluctant to upgrade if there is no significant benefit? I do currently have a problem with upgrading .net compact framework 3.5 for this (Auto Active Sync Bluetooth developers program) but I think more to do with the installation location needing to be on a SD rather than in the main memory.
Anyway it would be interesting to hear if there are any AMEO/75xx/Advantage users still enjoying their smartphone.
Any help appreciated as there seems to be no information at the T-mobile download website regarding the change log in this ROM. In fact I rang them and they told me to ring HTC which I did. HTC told me that the hot fixes on their website could not be applied to the T-mobile AMEO and that I needed to contact T-mobile of their ROM was specific to their requirements from T-Mobile requests to them for fixes.
Returning to T-mobile technical support they then told me that their internal developers do not give a list of fixes in the ROM and that if I wanted to try the ROM on my own risk it was up to me! I then told T-mobile technical support that in previous ROM upgrades they had in fact provided the change log and list of hot fixes and I was told by the technical support manager that T-mobile policy had changed and they would no longer be providing support or non-specific ROM changes and if anything wasn't broken on my AMEO not to apply the ROM.
What a joke, I now vow never to buy another T-mobile branded HTC product and I'm hoping that you guys can recommend going directly HTC for better technical support in the future? No rush and waiting for snapdragon products below are believes 1 GHz processors and possibly moving over to android OS as Microsoft's agnostic stance with regard to service providers stifling upgrade policy has left a bad taste in my mouth for the last time.
In the meantime any help on the RUU_Athena....0.6 latest ROM functionality would be greatly appreciated.
Hi there !
Actually Htc worldwide gives u lousy service - that's a fact seeing numerous complain of unfriendly services from Htc - if u flash any rom besides their official ones . They dont like to give or share advise on other roms . But without xda and other forum developers , i think we wont buy Htc as a first choice . This is something we have to live with it if we wants to flash and enjoy different roms - no choice at the moment unless some brand can come up with a more stable pda phone !
on HTC
HTC has very poor after sales service support. The problem is that they are only interested in selling you new phones. They are not keen to upgrade the rom to make the machine better. This is one reason why they will fail. Its quite sad that they have a headstart vs iphone. But now they are losing their shirts to iphone
Is WP8 rootable? How customizable is it when it comes to custom ROMs?
I guess it would be as costumizable as WP7 was. You can have a look at what was included in those CustomROMs. Wether it can be done is another question given that the hurdles on "rooting" a WP8 are rather high (especially since it uses SecureBoot.
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Is WP8 rootable? How customizable is it when it comes to custom ROMs?
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I think it depends on the phone. The fact that some Dev team was able to get WP8 partially running on an HTC HD2, points to perhaps it could be rootable, and it depends on who and for how long people try to hack the OS. But it looks to me that even if they hack the OS, it will really depend on what phone you have.
The Lumia 900 (WP7) was deemed in-hackable. So if you have a 920 or other Nokia phone for WP8, Ill be shocked (pleasantly) if we ever see Custom ROMs on them. If the 900 was unable to be hacked, it would be a big surprise if Nokia didnt put the same type of security in their newer phones as well, like the 920/820.
So dont get your hopes up, and if you have HTC, you may have a better shot of seeing a Custom ROM in the future.
Just to add. If you look at the Hacking forum of Windows Phone 8, there isnt much activity. Im sure people are working in the background on cracking the phone, but there clearly is a lack of progress so far. If they were making headway, Id think we see more activity in that forum.
One of the main problems with "rooting" or "jailbreaking" is to get a modified version of the OS to boot, e.g. getting a bootloader on the device that allows for that. That by the way is exactlly one of the things that SecureBoot used by WP8 is designed to circumvent.
Loading a modified OS onto a device it was not designed for is easier in that regard as for that device there already is a possibility to get it loaded onto that. The difficulties there are developing a Bootloader that supports the OS from scratch and developing drivers that support the hardware.
So in the end those are two very difficult tasks but in many ways they are not connected and the possibility of doing one of them doesn't tell you much about the possibility of the other one.