would this work correctly?
orange3289 said:
would this work correctly?
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Could you be more specific with your question?
no. it wont work corectly. the software is designed with a dedicated graphics processor in mind. our titans lack this.
yes that means you will have to but a new phone come september....
Mills00013 said:
no. it wont work corectly. the software is designed with a dedicated graphics processor in mind. our titans lack this.
yes that means you will have to but a new phone come september....
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Umm, i think our Titans just lack the DRIVER to enable the 3D acceleration. At least i hope so keeping in mind the recent brouhaha surrounding this issue. If the driver is available, the 3D interface should work..
Adi
adisor19 said:
If the driver is available, the 3D interface should work..
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It's new hardware -- a new processor -- plus the application is skinned for VGA. There is no reason to assume such code "should" work on older devices. Possibly, with hacks and frustration, but there cannot be any certainty.
adisor19 said:
Umm, i think our Titans just lack the DRIVER to enable the 3D acceleration. At least i hope so keeping in mind the recent brouhaha surrounding this issue. If the driver is available, the 3D interface should work..
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the hardware is different. very different. and the video driver that we are lacking simply helps video render easier. it really doesnt help with 3d graphic acceleration or anything like that.
the new phone has a dedicated graphics processing unit and a VGA screen. the interface that you see on the diamond videos would look horrid on our phones. it just wouldnt even be worth it.
(and this is not to mention that our phones have a problem running opera + one other program simultaneously, there is no way in God's green earth that our phones could process such an incredible application
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I am looking very hard at the Sprint Hero about to come out in the U.S., but I am worried by the lack of 3D. With a 2-year commitment, I will need this phone to stay reasonably competitive for a while. While I like just about everything on this phone, the lack of 3D acceleration concerns me, especially since several other new Android phones (like the Motorola Sholes) will come with hardware 3D. What do you guys think?
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That motorola looks very nice and obviously 3D acceleration is important to you. Personally, I just wish the Hero had a higher resolution screen. 320x480 just doesn't look sharp enough these days.
I really can't complain about anything else on the phone though, I knew of its little issues before I bought one so I was prepared - I'm very happy with it.
If you don't have an Android phone already then IMO you should probably wait... but only for a couple of months at the longest. I waited a long time to buy a phone and, with things like these, you could end up waiting forever before you're satisfied enough with a feature set to buy one. Just remember no matter what you buy, something newer and better is always around the corner...
The Qualcomm MSM7200A that powers the Hero does have hardware 3D acceleration, but as I understand, Android does not have a HAL (hardware abstraction layer) for GPUs, so in order to utilize hardware acceleration it needs to talk directly to the hardware.
As far as I'm aware, all Qualcomm-based Android phones will use hardware acceleration - certainly if you download Neocore (Qualcomm 3D demo) from the Market, you can see it in action.
Regards,
Dave
Cool, thanks for the reply. I was mostly concerned that future versions of Android might make more use of 3D but this phone wouldn't be able to support it. If that Qualcomm chip has 3D hardware acceleration built in, why are other manufacturers putting that PowerVR 3D chip in their phones? I'm not planning to do much gaming on my phone, just wanted to make sure the Hero wouldn't burn me 6 months from now or whatever.
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anyone wanna try this..... it worked for Niki and polaris and Kaiser
well mega!!! who knows!!!
i dont have a mega so cant try
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=663116
I think mega doesnt have this driver too.
Don't work...tested on my mega
if anyone can make 3d driver for mega?
It's not that simple, why is it so hard to understand?
it's NOT just the driver but the technology itself, it's like trying to get a playstation 3 game to run on a playstation 2. it just wont happen. deal with it.
touchflo 3d sucks just as much as touchflo2d. (actually, i now like touchflo, but its still basic, and 3d or 2d makes naff all difference)
The Qualcomm MSM7225 in the Touch 2 has no hardware accelerated 3D video capabilities so it wouldn't just work. You might be able to get it going by writing a driver that offloaded all the graphics work to the CPU. Really it depends how intensive the application is. On the Touch 2 even if you could get it going it would probably make the device run very hot, slow and have a substantially reduced battery life.
i tested it on touch (elf - arm200MHz) and it was terrible :-( so i think, it would better on touch2 (Mega - Qualcom 525MHz), but not right
mally2 said:
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anyone wanna try this..... it worked for Niki and polaris and Kaiser
well mega!!! who knows!!!
i dont have a mega so cant try
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=663116
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Interesting topic but am a bit puzzled why you post here...
Frank Caarls said:
Interesting topic but am a bit puzzled why you post here...
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Should have been in Dev/ Hack Section... I guess
Alright so I can't seem to get HD videos to work all that well- tried everything from stock 1.1, 1.2 and a whole list of froyo (and now) hoenycomb roms.
I am now also trying to see about the 3d gaming options, air attack seems to work smoothly but I would like to see galaxy on fire 2 working... it just freezes up in the first few frames rendered on the home screen (of the game).
What rom offers best support for hw acceleration, both for 3d graphic rendering AND HD video?
It seems there is no straight answer through the 3 days ive spent on the forums... none of the roms ive used have yet to really show me what i was expecting from the tegra 2 setup.
Only froyo has full he acceleration.
Catch 22? Froyo has HW acceleration but Honeycomb has a bunch of the decent games that need HW acceleration...
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pcguru000 said:
Catch 22? Froyo has HW acceleration but Honeycomb has a bunch of the decent games that need HW acceleration...
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You tell the bastards at nvidia to release the damn drivers. We've been trying to get them to release the damn drivers for months.
goodintentions said:
You tell the bastards at nvidia to release the damn drivers. We've been trying to get them to release the damn drivers for months.
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Or just generously donate to Rayman .. he is getting there sooner than later.
Well that looks awesome, is hey on xda at all or should I be signing up for an account over there?
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Alright so I can't seem to get HD videos to work all that well- tried everything from stock 1.1, 1.2 and a whole list of froyo (and now) hoenycomb roms.
I am now also trying to see about the 3d gaming options, air attack seems to work smoothly but I would like to see galaxy on fire 2 working... it just freezes up in the first few frames rendered on the home screen (of the game).
What rom offers best support for hw acceleration, both for 3d graphic rendering AND HD video?
It seems there is no straight answer through the 3 days ive spent on the forums... none of the roms ive used have yet to really show me what i was expecting from the tegra 2 setup.
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I'm on Caulkulin+Clemsyn Combo v6 (Froyo) and mine runs Galaxy on Fire 2 perfectly.
This rom is working for me fantastically as well- played the game for an hour last night smooth as can be reminds me of old school "free lancer"
GoF worked fine on Stock and now it works on Vegan 5.1.1.
Could you have some resourse-intensive background app that needs to be killed?
Think you misread- ive got it working fully in a 2.2 rom (c+c) ...
Was wondering about this:
http://tabletroms.com/forums/showthread.php?1525-Umodified-Honeycomb-on-Kernel-2.6.36-Updated-23-07-2011
If i was to take a stock, unmodified HC rom from perhaps a acer500 as rayman did- would it boot at all on the gtablet?
I figure they are all, at their core built to run android...
Could that damage hardware or is the worst id be looking at is a softbrick (can deal with those haha)
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Could that damage hardware or is the worst id be looking at is a softbrick (can deal with those haha)
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Soft brick. Unless the software tells the hardware to do something destructive, you can't harm the hardware with software.
Many have tried to just put the image straight from other HC devices into this. Will not run without some tweekings.
Will not run at all or will run very poorly? How on earth is this stuff being debugged?
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Will not run at all or will run very poorly? How on earth is this stuff being debugged?
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I wouldn't bother with it right now, seriously, there is those out there who will seamlessly port it as soon as its in good shape.
Righto' will let it be, thanks for the information
I thought the Illuminate Honeycomb ROM has hardware acceleration?
martin88ca said:
I thought the Illuminate Honeycomb ROM has hardware acceleration?
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I noticed that as well and wasn't sure what he meant, getting full HC hardware acceleration would have garnered bigger fanfare.
martin88ca said:
I thought the Illuminate Honeycomb ROM has hardware acceleration?
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I would take that with a grain of salt,
This isn't the first time some claims were made about this ROM that turned out to be false later
How would one know/test if hardware acceleration is working?
I ran Roebeet's BoS ROM for a little right after getting my G Tab and loved having HC, but switched to Beasty's for some stability. Since it seems like some progress has been made, I am thinking of trying Flashback or Illuminate, and am leaning Flashback based on reading the threads, howerver I was intrigued by the claim that Illuminate includes hardware acceleration.
Any reccomendations between the two (or another rom for that matter)? Primarily use the G Tab for gaming.
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How would one know/test if hardware acceleration is working?
I ran Roebeet's BoS ROM for a little right after getting my G Tab and loved having HC, but switched to Beasty's for some stability. Since it seems like some progress has been made, I am thinking of trying Flashback or Illuminate, and am leaning Flashback based on reading the threads, howerver I was intrigued by the claim that Illuminate includes hardware acceleration.
Any reccomendations between the two (or another rom for that matter)? Primarily use the G Tab for gaming.
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Illuminate claims that it is the most stable Honeycomb ROM, so I'd give it a try first.
The only issue I have with Illuminate is My Locations (through Wifi) doesn't work in Google Maps.
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Any reccomendations between the two (or another rom for that matter)? Primarily use the G Tab for gaming.
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FlashBack is very, very nice. It's stable, fairly speedy (despite the lack of HW accel in all HC gTab ROMs), all the software I want runs on it although I'll admit my list is short and only includes a few games.
Wondering if the Snapdragon SoC can do a better job than the Tegra2. Has anybody tested some high profile 1080p?
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On sensation all my HD 1080p videos played with no problem
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On sensation all my HD 1080p videos played with no problem
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Even 1080p [email protected]? If that's the case, my coming Touchpad will get a lot more usage than I expected
Thanks.
1080p flash works well on the sensation but not on the pad
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Wondering if the Snapdragon SoC can do a better job than the Tegra2. Has anybody tested some high profile 1080p?
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i think it`s just software limitation.
also the cpu @ 1.2ghz is underclocked. it can run up to 1.5ghz without any problem.
Cellphones, Tablet PCs,
Qualcomm gets official with TouchPad-powering Snapdragon APQ8060 processor
By Donald Melanson posted Feb 10th 2011 1:31PM
HP already put out the first official word about Qualcomm's new Snapdragon APQ8060 processor yesterday when it revealed that its TouchPad was based on it, but Qualcomm's now also come out and properly announced the new processor itself. That's, of course, a dual-core processor, and comes paired with an Adreno 220 GPU that Qualcomm says helps to deliver "unprecedented processing and 3D graphics performance." What's more, while the TouchPad is the first device to use the processor, it obviously won't be the last, and Qualcomm has now also given us an idea of what sort of capabilities those devices (including smartphones in addition to tablets) might have -- namely, cameras up to 16 megapixels, and the ability to capture and display 1080p stereoscopic 3D video or 8 megapixel stereoscopic still images. Head on past the break for the complete press release.
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Why do people go nuts over thing like this? i really dont get it.. unless its just so they dont have to re-encode anything... but what the point of running a 1080p video on a screen that is only 1024x768? when you do this you are making the processor work harder scaling it down.. there for using more battery..
if its just for easy of use.. thats one thing.. just copy and go.. or if the touchpad had a video out port (that would be SWEEETT!!)
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Why do people go nuts over thing like this? i really dont get it.. unless its just so they dont have to re-encode anything... but what the point of running a 1080p video on a screen that is only 1024x768? when you do this you are making the processor work harder scaling it down.. there for using more battery..
if its just for easy of use.. thats one thing.. just copy and go.. or if the touchpad had a video out port (that would be SWEEETT!!)
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Calm down. Why do people think it's their job to tell others what to want? First of all, nobody's going nuts here. Secondly, you're right. I don't want to reencode my tv shows just to watch then delete. Third and last, i don't care about battery when im on my bed and want to something.
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Calm down. Why do people think it's their job to tell others what to want? First of all, nobody's going nuts here. Secondly, you're right. I don't want to reencode my tv shows just to watch then delete. Third and last, i don't care about battery when im on my bed and want to something.
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sorry i didnt mean to imply that anyone here was going nuts over it.. but there was quite a... debate.. over the issue on the nook forums about it.. people calling it a POS because it couldnt do 1080p ect.. people were even complaining that even tho they were already having to re-encode there videos to get them to play on the nook.. they were having to re-encode them to 800x480 instead of the more 'common' format of 1280x720
I understand. There was a big ordeal with the Tegra 2 and high-profile h264, but it is an issue that needs to be addressed. Anyhow, it LOOKS like this 3rd-gen Snapdragon chip is a better decoder. Will try it myself when I get my Touchpad. Wonder if there's a HW-decoding player for webOS though.
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I understand. There was a big ordeal with the Tegra 2 and high-profile h264, but it is an issue that needs to be addressed. Anyhow, it LOOKS like this 3rd-gen Snapdragon chip is a better decoder. Will try it myself when I get my Touchpad. Wonder if there's a HW-decoding player for webOS though.
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try this player KalemSoft Media Player
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try this player KalemSoft Media Player
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Does not look like this software is hardware decoding because even 720p h264 mkv are lagging.
No it isn't. It transcodes the files. Somebody needs to write a player that will do hardware decoding. This soc is technically as good as the ipad2. I would be more than happy to pay for such app.
I know this isn't exactly what is being asked, but just to add I played some HD videos from Vimeo yesterday and they worked really well.
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I know this isn't exactly what is being asked, but just to add I played some HD videos from Vimeo yesterday and they worked really well.
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Vimeo is more HQ than HD imo
From using touch player on the device (which is built off of ffmpeg), I can tell you that even 720p will lag a little (but still playable). I highly doubt 1080 will be. Besides, how much do you think you are going to fit onto it with nothing but 1080p shows? 2 seasons of the simpsons @ 720p took up nearly 16gb.
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From using touch player on the device (which is built off of ffmpeg), I can tell you that even 720p will lag a little (but still playable). I highly doubt 1080 will be.
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Touchplayer is a software-decoding player. We need hardware!
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Touchplayer is a software-decoding player. We need hardware!
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Start developing it
There doesn't exist anything else for touchpad as far as I know.
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Start developing it
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That would take too long. First I have to learn how to code lol. I wish somebody would take advantage of the fire sale and make such software. There's gotta be like 1/4 a million Touchpads out there right?
I'd consider it, but I don't think there's much of a market for selling it on the touchpad. Besides the fact android will be on it soon.
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I'd consider it, but I don't think there's much of a market for selling it on the touchpad. Besides the fact android will be on it soon.
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Perhaps, but I wonder if Android performance will take a hit as a port.
Sorry if I'm asking a Dumb question, but after explaining to a friend about Rooting and Flashing Roms, he hit me with the question... If he wanted me to Root his phone why Couldn't I turn his phone into a 3D phone! Honestly I Don't think its possible, but also he got me thinking is it Hardware related, or is 3D something that could be also Ported like Almost everything else?
Just Curious? Thanx...
How-to by HTC
The EVO 3D has a technology called a parallax screen (I think that is what it is called). It is the same technology in the Nintendo 3DS. Basically there are two screens that display a left and right image each and gives the 3D effect. It is the specific hardware that makes this possible and therefor cannot be ported to a phone without the hardware.
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The EVO 3D has a technology called a parallax screen (I think that is what it is called). It is the same technology in the Nintendo 3DS. Basically there are two screens that display a left and right image each and gives the 3D effect. It is the specific hardware that makes this possible and therefor cannot be ported to a phone without the hardware.
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It is called Parallax Barrier i think.
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Sorry if I'm asking a Dumb question, but after explaining to a friend about Rooting and Flashing Roms, he hit me with the question... If he wanted me to Root his phone why Couldn't I turn his phone into a 3D phone! Honestly I Don't think its possible, but also he got me thinking is it Hardware related, or is 3D something that could be also Ported like Almost everything else?
Just Curious? Thanx...
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All previous 3 posts are correct but mostly mentioning hardware. The answer is really two fold, both hardware and software provide the EVO 3D with the 3D support.
The hardware consists of the dual display/filter on the screens in order to render images properly for 3D. Another hardware feature not mentioned would be the two cameras on the back which allow for 3D photos and movies to be taken and then displayed through the 3D screen.
The other side of the equation is the software. HTC custom coded at least the gallery and camera application to properly render 3D image files and output from the camera in 3D.
Porting 3D to another device ... would require at least the hardware support via the proper screen setup and the software support for reading 3D files and displaying them on the 3D screen.
If you wanted to also port over the ability to produce 3D photos and videos, would require hardware with two cameras, or something mechanism to take two pictures with one camera at the right spacing/timing (probably unlikely) and the software to properly render the camera output in 3D on the screen.
I've only mentioned the minimum. At least for software, I'm sure there are libraries, drivers and other software requirements I've skimmed over which are required for 3D support.
Hope that helps you somewhat answer your friend!
Thanx for All your Answers, you guys are the Best!