I currently have a HTC Titan, through a local cellular company that is not affiliated with any of the major carriers I just want to know if I can preform ROM/RADIO upgrades on this phone without breaking it, my current radio version is 1.64.00 and rom is 2.17.557.0. Is there any way to upgrade this phone, or do I have to wait for my pokey company to get features likes, closing programs when they are xed out.
edit, fixed the name of the phone, so I don't sound quite so ill advised
Who is your service provider?? If it's a Mogul, then you can upgrade it....
pioneer telephone, its here out of oklahoma, I couldn't find anything compatible with that radio version, is it possible to upgrade that as well, sorry for all of the newbie questions, but a forum search pulled up alot of information but nothing for my particular radio version, which as far as i can tell, seems to be the biggest hangup.
There's no carrier cab for your provider.
Is there any way to make a carrier cab, or is it something you have to get from your provider?
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Is there any way to make a carrier cab, or is it something you have to get from your provider?
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The carrier cabs are not provided by the carriers; they're provided by dcd for different carriers. Since they're all hand-made, then yes it is possible to make one. But it might be difficult for anyone other than dcd to make one, since he came up with the idea and has the "spec" for them in his mind. If you want to do some research, I'd suggest taking one of the existing carrier cabs, extracting the files, and trying to make sense of what's in there and what needs to be changed for your carrier. I have no idea if things will be self-explanatory enough to make your own carrier cab.
The carrier cabs are not provided by the carriers; they're provided by dcd for different carriers. Since they're all hand-made, then yes it is possible to make one. But it might be difficult for anyone other than dcd to make one, since he came up with the idea and has the "spec" for them in his mind. If you want to do some research, I'd suggest taking one of the existing carrier cabs, extracting the files, and trying to make sense of what's in there and what needs to be changed for your carrier. I have no idea if things will be self-explanatory enough to make your own carrier cab.
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Carrier cabs can be made, but it requires a dump and he would also have to go through his EPST settings with us etc.
What exactly do I need to dump, also I'm running vista but could boot into kubuntu if needed. Also, what info is needed from my epst?
I'm going to go over and have it taken back to factory because something I've done has made it freeze up when the keyboard is opened. Would ppcpimbackup be able to make the dump you need?
went to the office, and apparently they don't even have the ability to flash the phone back to factory, said they would have to ship it back to HTC to have it reflashed. So, there is a pretty good chance that this phone has original firmware with Pioneers carrier id?? in it. Will anything be possible still?
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I would prefer this thread not become a "I am getting XYZ HELP!" thread, because it would be off topic. But I know it runs the risk of that because I would like to talk about the choice of Roms that XV6800 owners have used and the pros and cons of them.
I'm pretty sure I've seen the following GPS enabled ROMS on the verizon phones: (in order of complexity)
1. Original leaked ROM
2. No2Chem's nueROM http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=17219
3. DCD's 2.3.2 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=371314
4. nexvisions's http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=364043
This section is now expanded to include a longer list of relative information needed to prepair for this process:
I've seen the Easy update thread: (This thread flashes the unlocker and radio in a single step using a ROM installation designed ONLY for a Sprint phone. Some believe this is why ppl have the 15 minute delay before aquiring a signal.)
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.phpHere ?t=17667
You can see documentation for DCD's update from a Verizon Customer here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1973238&postcount=536
Here are the stock roms for recovery purposes (Signed and sealed by Verizon -not rips)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1845171&postcount=13
Here is an unlocker: (also includes exit bl; read the .bat file to learn a lot and get some useful CLI commands)
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=9093
Here is the Titan relocker:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=125160
Radio ROM 3.27.00
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362563
"general flashing rule is to start device in bootloader mode first and then flash. Do NOT flash it while it is running WindowsMobile OS."
Here are the generic steps to peform a standard burn from stock (works for some but all numbers should be written down in preparation)
0. WRITE DOWN ALL INFO UNDER ##778
0.1 REMOVE YOUR MicroSD CARD NOW!!!
1. Flash 2.40 unlocker using the Titanunlocker.bat inside the rar file (all files should be extracted to a new directory)
2. Flash DCD 2.3.2 (or preferred rom) different roms will
3. Flash radio 3.27
4. after booting dial a *228 to get the latest programing
That's it. It should be that simple.
If you are stuck, you might just be in the boot loader, use this tool for Verizon phones only to exit the boot loader:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=9229
Here's how to recover when it is not:
1. Using a PC, format a microSD card to FAT32.
2. Using winrar or an unzipper, extract the *.nbh file from the ROM upgrade .exe.
3. Copy the *.nbh file to the formatted microSD card
4. Rename the file on the microSD card TITAIMG.nbh.
5. Insert the microSD card into the phone and reset into bootloader.
6. The phone will tell you to press the power button to flash the ROM; do so.
Going into bootloader mode: power, camera, reset all at once.
Hard reset: Press the two dot (bottom menu) keys and hit the reset button, release all after two seconds. (RUMOR: Leaving the SD card in the phone may result in the SD card content being wiped. I don't care to test the rumor.)
I've read loads of threads tonight. My problem is that most of this stuff is slanted to Sprint stuff. I'm creating this as a central place for Verizon update facts. I'd love to hear if things work or if things don't work.
I'm considering flashing my phone tomorrow, (didn't happen yet by choice) but will also be travelling starting that night. Obviously the smart thing to do would be do go without GPS on my adventures, but it would be soo cool to have it working for SxSW just for the geek factor. And that calls to me.
So, here are some of my myths and mythunderstandings:
1. Every Verizon customer who updates their radio has to call into verizon to re-authenticate their phone. But Verizon is pretty cool about that even if you say you were flashing your phone.
2. This is true even if you follow the steps in the easy guide and write everything down it tells you to write down because Verizon uses a GUID generated by the radio rom when it is used for the first time on your phone. Not all areas as of today not every area does this but most and soon all will. It depends upon where you are in their upgrade chains.
3. If you install Radio 3.27, you're a screwed verizon customer because resets (hard and soft) and power ons (?????) will no longer aquire a signal right away. You will be waiting for 15 minutes or longer before you can use your phone again and no one has a working solution to this for Verizon customers. This happens to EVERY verizon customer.
4. People have upgraded to the original leaked rom without a problem (and without that delay) and that allowed them to have working phones possibly because of one or all of the following:
a. It is signed by Verizon and you don't have to unlock your phone?
b. MAYBE it doesn't require the radio upgrade???? (FIRST REPLY STATES THE RADIO IS REQUIRED FOR ALL GPS ROMS)
c. Because it was built using only Verizon stuff it is missing whatever incompatible tool the other kitchens have in them????
d. Because it has WM 6.0 and 6.1 hasn't been tested with Verizon????
5. DCD's rom has all of the MS Office software as an installable option whereas No2Chem's excludes it. Don't know if this includes outlook or not.
6. Both of the Kitchens mentioned above will work with Verizon and they have options that allow you to choose Verizon as an install option branding your phone correctly.
So that is upgrading your verizon phone as I understand it. Am I off too far on anything? I've not seen reports of any bricks yet but I know that is always possible.
So who has tried what ROM and to what degree of success?
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I would prefer this thread not become a "I am getting XYZ HELP!" thread, because it would be off topic. But I know it runs the risk of that because I would like to talk about the choice of Roms that XV6800 owners have used and the pros and cons of them.
I'm pretty sure I've seen the following GPS enabled ROMS on the verizon phones:
1. Original leaked ROM
2. DCD 2.3.2 with 3.27 Radio upgrade
3. No2Chem
I've also seen the Easy update thread:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=17667
You can see documentation for DCD's update from a Verizon Customer here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1973238&postcount=536
I've read loads of threads tonight and my problem is that most of this stuff is slanted to Sprint stuff. I'm creating this as a central place for Verizon update facts. I'd love to hear if things work or if things don't work. I'm considering flashing my phone tomorrow, but will also be travelling starting that night. Obviously the smart thing to do would be do go without GPS on my adventures, but it would be soo cool to have it working for SxSW just for the geek factor and that calls to me.
So, here are some of my myths and mythunderstandings:
1. Everyone Verizon customer has to call into verizon to re-authenticate their phone. But Verizon is pretty cool about that even if you say you were flashing your phone.
2. This is true even if you follow the steps in the easy guide and write everything down it tells you to write down because Verizon uses a GUID generated by the radio rom when it is used for the first time on your phone. Not all areas as of today not every area does this but most and soon all will. It depends upon where you are in their upgrade chains.
3. If you install Radio 3.27, you're a screwed verizon customer because resets (hard and soft) and power ons (?????) will no longer aquire a signal right away. You will be waiting for 15 minutes or longer before you can use your phone again and no one has a working solution to this for Verizon customers. This happens to EVERY verizon customer.
4. People have upgraded to the original leaked rom without a problem (and without that delay) and that allowed them to have working phones possibly because of one or all of the following:
a. It is signed by Verizon and you don't have to unlock your phone?
b. MAYBE it doesn't require the radio upgrade????
c. Because it was built using only Verizon stuff it is missing whatever incompatible tool the other kitchens have in them????
d. Because it has WM 6.0 and 6.1 hasn't been tested with Verizon????
5. DCD's rom has all of the MS Office software as an installable option whereas No2Chem's excludes it. Don't know if this includes outlook or not.
6. Both of the Kitchens mentioned above will work with Verizon and they have options that allow you to choose Verizon as an install option branding your phone correctly.
So that is upgrading your verizon phone as I understand it. Am I off too far on anything? I've not seen reports of any bricks yet but I know that is always possible.
So who has tried what ROM and to what degree of success?
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1. There are people who say they did not need to call verizon, but i did.
2. this is mostly true, some areas still use an akey but verizon will gladly give that to you, just tell them you did a hard reset.
3. the roms that work with GPS require the 3.27 radio... I had no delay with using the phone after any flash (i've done several) there is a delay for GPS to work the first time
4.a. original leaked rom was from sprint
4.b. the radio upgrade to 3.27 is required or GPS will not work and neither will any rom that is based on this radio
4.c. again original leaked rom is from sprint and contains no verizon stuff, dcd broke down the leaked rom and made available to everyone else
4.d. the titan or xv6800 shipped with 6.0 (6.1 to release soon for verizon, although i have it now)
5. the outlook portion of office is standard on all pocket pc phone
6. True...you must choose your carrier or you won't be able to connect to your towers properly
that being said, I use a rom built with dcd's kitchen and am very pleased, if you want one with lots of stuff you may want to try nexvisions rom
Hope this helps
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that being said, I use a rom built with dcd's kitchen and am very pleased, if you want one with lots of stuff you may want to try nexvisions rom
Hope this helps
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Thanks rmacl! That helps a lot. Reading through a few hundred pages of facts for different versions mixed in with cries for help and resolved issues can make the process, for someone who thought a kitchen was a room till a very short time ago, pretty daunting no matter how tech savy they are they are.
I appreciate your help in solidifying the details.
I will then be upgrading my phone tomorrow. I plan on following the easy update post listed above exactly as it is written.
I saw one post of a person who had done the same thing EXCEPT that they took a break and installed SPL 2.40-olipro. They had the 15 minute pause in aquiring the signal. So, I am wondering if that is a contributing factor. I'm thinking that the "Sprint unofficial 3.16 Release" includes an upgraded boot the spl/bootloader.
If this is a bad plan, or if it is not how you did it successfully and you are willing to share the steps you followed, please let me know.
Thanks again for your help.
EDIT: nexvisions rom pretty closely matches my current config. And what I don't have from that rom I like. The rest of the stuff I have installed should be enabled when I run a sprite backup restore. Thanks for the suggestion
Just did this today-
I'm using NexVision's Hybrid ROM(version based on dcd's latest 2.3.1).
I did the following:
1. Update SPL app
2. Loaded above ROM
3. Loaded latest radio
4. *228 'ed to get programming
5. did IOTA for some reason
6. No outgoing calls. Could not authenticate. Had to call VZW and they got me going in a few minutes. (the MSL for my phone i got from GetSPC.exe didn't work)
So, bottom line- My 6800 is working just fine with NexVisions Hybrid right now.
Anything else you'd like to know?
I was up and running on a DCD 2.3.2 cooked ROM and 3.27 radio with issues acquiring signal. Some have implied that running the "Easy Guide" instructions on PPCGeeks would resolve the delay in acquiring signal issues.
I couldn't get the leaked 3.16 ROM loaded using the 1.06 Bootloader, so I loaded the 2.40 Bootloader and then successfully loaded the leaked 3.16.
This put my phone on Sprint. According to the guide, running DCDs ROM that I cooked using the kitchen would reset the phone to Verizon (by selecting Verizon as my carrier.) This didn't work. Right now my phone is running the DCD ROM, 3.27 radio, and I can't get into the PST to edit the MSID and MDN.
Guess I'm going stock and upgrading again.
Am I the only one or is the fact that this phone is carried by at least 2.5(sorry alltell) major carriers a problem. We get people, admittedly I almost was one, that flash their phones with roms for the wrong carrier and then wonder what's going on. One would hope that you could pick up a cdma phone and use it on a CDMA network but that's just not true. There are tons of documented and undocumented crap holes that deviate from the spec because of the ad-hoc hobbled together system that is the United States cellular system. I would suggest splitting sprint and verizon but that would further fragment an already super fragmented market.
I am not sure the state of your phone or how to go about fixing it but the easy guide does seem to be for sprint users and not for Verizon. There is yet to be an uprgrade sanctioned for us - I hear it's coming, but I heard that with the Samsung i730 - and it took 9 months to get from 'soon' to released.
VX6800 DCD2.3.1 Working great
Ok I am an engineer on the network and perhaps Murphy got me to be over prepared and so I had the least problems. Started stock, flashed 2.40 unlocker, flashed DCD 2.3.1, flashed radio 3.27, booted back up and worked perfectly. I did write down everything, and I do mean everything that could be gotten in the PST ( by the way, the MSL on Verizon units is 000000 and no GetMSL is required) so I did not need that. I called VZW data support and told them that I was about to do a hard reset and had heard that sometimes the A key got messed up, so he gave it to me up front just in case, and because I had it ready is why I suppose I did not need it either. My signal came up perfectly, my PRL and provisioning data did need a *228 option 1 to get it back in, my GPS came right up fast and accurate, could make and receive calls right away, MMS worked perfectly right away. The only problem that I have with the new ROM is that the 'box type' mini-usb to 3.5 mm adapter with the mini-usb pass thru does not work properly anymore, but my stock one and my pigtail adapters do work, so it is somthing in the adapter design. Also SelectRadio 4.02 drops out as if the data connection goes down and back up, but it does not. I look at the PPP data and it is perfect, and when I just put my channels in Resco Pocket Radio all is well.
Well, I'm a long experienced IT guy with a background of working in cellular....so I'm not exactly ignorant on the subject.
madman, I did the exact steps you did, with the exception of writing down every setting in the PST (just the MSID and MDN). Yet my phone takes 15-20 minutes to acquire signal. Was there anything you had to adjust besides the MSID and the MDN?
To complete my story from my last post, I was able to recover back to a VZW stock ROM and try again. Second time around I didn't let the Sprint cutomizations run. That fixed the problem of my phone being "Sprintized". However, it didn't help with my issues acquiring signal (which was the entire reason I went through this exercise.) BLAH.
Having 1 set of instruction for Sprint and Verizon is fine, but what we need is are people from each side working together on the documentation. Right now everything seems to be completed by Sprint users.
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To complete my story from my last post, I was able to recover back to a VZW stock ROM and try again. Second time around I didn't let the Sprint cutomizations run. That fixed the problem of my phone being "Sprintized". However, it didn't help with my issues acquiring signal (which was the entire reason I went through this exercise.) BLAH.
Having 1 set of instruction for Sprint and Verizon is fine, but what we need is are people from each side working together on the documentation. Right now everything seems to be completed by Sprint users.
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I'm willing to bet it's the fact that you used a sprint rom. Even though it said you weren't sprintized I bet there are still sprint ghosts in your phone. These things aren't well documented nor are they straight forward. I am sure that there is something in the sprint rom that is causing your problem (it's the only thing that is different from stories of people who have been successful)
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I'm willing to bet it's the fact that you used a sprint rom. Even though it said you weren't sprintized I bet there are still sprint ghosts in your phone. These things aren't well documented nor are they straight forward. I am sure that there is something in the sprint rom that is causing your problem (it's the only thing that is different from stories of people who have been successful)
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Well, what you are saying is basically what I've suspected all along. I think the 3.27 radio is basically a rip from a Sprint ROM...right?
This is why I am trying to get a VZW tech to review ALL of the PST settings with me. She was gonna call back, but stupid me, I think I reset my phone and missed her call. Grrrrrr
Geckotek said:
Well, what you are saying is basically what I've suspected all along. I think the 3.27 radio is basically a rip from a Sprint ROM...right?
This is why I am trying to get a VZW tech to review ALL of the PST settings with me. She was gonna call back, but stupid me, I think I reset my phone and missed her call. Grrrrrr
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What I am saying is the Sprint Rom is for Sprint. The radio is a radio from what I can tell. It doesn't seem to be setup to be one company or another with the correct rom. However what you are doing is taking a rom that is built by another carrier for their network and trying to use it on your network. Use a verizon intended rom (Hint: not sprint) and the 3.27 radio and you should be fine.
One would hope that you could just strip the sprint part out of their roms and run it on the VZW network but we all know these devices are more hodgepodge then strict implementation of standards.
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What I am saying is the Sprint Rom is for Sprint. The radio is a radio from what I can tell. It doesn't seem to be setup to be one company or another with the correct rom. However what you are doing is taking a rom that is built by another carrier for their network and trying to use it on your network. Use a verizon intended rom (Hint: not sprint) and the 3.27 radio and you should be fine.
One would hope that you could just strip the sprint part out of their roms and run it on the VZW network but we all know these devices are more hodgepodge then strict implementation of standards.
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There is no Verizon intended ROM that I'm aware of that supports the 3.27 radio.
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6. No outgoing calls. Could not authenticate. Had to call VZW and they got me going in a few minutes. (the MSL for my phone i got from GetSPC.exe didn't work)
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getspc.exe is for sprint only
the msl code for verizon is "000000" minus the "'s
I've added a bunch of info to the first post. I haven't had time to do the flash till now. After I pack tomorrow, I should be able to do it. Plus I wanted to have all my ducks in a row for this process. I'm now fairly confident I know most of the failure points in the process and how to recover from them... we'll see.
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There is no Verizon intended ROM that I'm aware of that supports the 3.27 radio.
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Ummmmm NexVision IS a verizon user and his ROM is most certainly built for verizon above others, sprint and alltel second. DCD also has an option in his kitchen for verizon. as for No2Chem... I havnt used his rom so I couldnt tell you for sure. But I assure you as I am alive and breathing, there are ROMs intended for the Big Red V, I know I use one and Love it. I messed up when I first flashed, but never had to call VZW about it, just reflashed to stock then tried again.
As stated, I used both DCD and NexVision and both activated, called and surfed on the network. If you have any specific questions, I will gladly field them, Specialy since I have insurance on the phone... If it hoses, i will break and replace it.
Launching my first rom flashing...
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Ummmmm NexVision IS a verizon user and his ROM is most certainly built for verizon above others, sprint and alltel second. DCD also has an option in his kitchen for verizon. as for No2Chem... I havnt used his rom so I couldnt tell you for sure. But I assure you as I am alive and breathing, there are ROMs intended for the Big Red V, I know I use one and Love it. I messed up when I first flashed, but never had to call VZW about it, just reflashed to stock then tried again.
As stated, I used both DCD and NexVision and both activated, called and surfed on the network. If you have any specific questions, I will gladly field them, Specialy since I have insurance on the phone... If it hoses, i will break and replace it.
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Ummmmmm, you completely missed the point.
So is there any word when Verizon will release an update similar to what we are able to do with the new ROMs and Radio?
I mean if it's going to be a month away, I may just, if it's going to be 3 months or forever then I guess I'll have to try it.
It seems either it works perfect, or it doesn't, and some people don't need to enter in an akey? Interesting...
I went from a stock XV6800 (Verizon) to the 2.40 unlocker, the 3.27 radio and a ROM built off of DCD's 2.3.2 kitchen. I did not need to record *any* of the phone's programming info. After flashing, *228 successfully set up the phone and I was able to start making/receiving calls.
"3. If you install Radio 3.27, you're a screwed verizon customer because resets (hard and soft) and power ons (?????) will no longer aquire a signal right away. You will be waiting for 15 minutes or longer before you can use your phone again and no one has a working solution to this for Verizon customers. This happens to EVERY verizon customer."
This seems not to be true, because I'm a Verizon customer and it didn't happen for me. I get both a cell and data signal right away on either reset (soft, anyway; haven't had to try hard yet) or power-on.
I'm a happy camper so far, with the only glitch being one unexplained soft reset one morning while the phone was waking up to execute an alarm. The phone reset instead and the alarm sounded when it came back up. Hasn't happened again since.
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getspc.exe is for sprint only...
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No, I can verify that it works for Telus as well.
I have a Qwest branded Mogul.
i am currently running DCD 3.26 and radio 3.42.50 (THX DCD!!!)
qwest is shutting down and forcing their customers to choose a different provider
i have not had my phone for very long, so of course i would like to find a way to use my mogul so i don't have to purchase a new phone
i am aware that i can load custom rom's with different carrier optimizations,
---> so i (as well as most qwest customers ) am curious if anyone knows if either verizon or Sprint will activate the ESN for my mogul.
any thoughts?
I would call a service rep, and ask them, otherwise its as easy as installing a Sprint Carrie cab by DCD. The last thing to do is figure out if Sprint well activate the ESN to allow access to there network.
Godspeed
I'm pretty sure they would just need to put your ESN on their network, which is the hard part since they'd rather you have one of their Mogul's / XV6800's. Good luck trying to port it. Let us know how it goes. I am interested cuz I have an old Mogul and if I could port that to Verizon and have both phones on that account it would be pretty cool.
Has anyone had any luck doing this? Migrating it from Qwest to Sprint successfully? And if so, what would be the correct steps to migrate it?
Would I need to/could I flash a Sprint ROM on the phone?
I see that there is discussion about SPC or MSPL with these phones? What is this used for?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks
Brandon
Qwest Mogul on VZW or Sprint
You need to know the code to enter into the MSL to unlock the phone.
The program Get SPL works for most people.
I had to edit the rgeistry to find mine.
Once you have changed the MSL code to 000000,
I use QPST to backup all the important settings just in case I have to adjust data settings.
You need to flash the Olipro bootloader (I use 2.40) then the radio, then you can flash any custom ROM you like.
Then just install a carrier CAB file for your carrier, to the phone.
I find that PPCKitchen has the best program to pick and choose just the programs that you want.
But try a few Pre-cooked ROMs if you like.
There quite a few Chefs here and over at PPCGeeks that put a lot of time and effort into building and uploading custom ROMs for people to try out.
They all monitor the threads to help out if you have any issues.
And remember that you can use a TITAN/Mogul ROM cooked for any carrier,
Just load that CAB file for the carrier that you use.
Also, try to flash via SD card when you can. You never know that cable may fail, or the power outag occures.
Hope this helps,
Above all your esn has to be accepted by whatever provider you want to use. Most of them will not allow the quest esn to be used. So before you do anything all and ask.
Qwest Mogul on VZW or Sprint
Yes that is a very good point.
I have 3 Qwest PPCs that have that problem.
The ESNs are good, but because of policy, I now have 3 ROM slaves.
eBay has plenty of Sprint 6800s, most of the "Usable" ones sell for around $50oo.
If you fee you need to rid yourself ofthat item, PM me pleae.
I could use the parts for a security project I am working on.
Either way, you could allways use it as a test unit to practice on.
quest to whatever.
i dont know about where you all are located, but here in the peoples republic of California if you totaly metro or cricket out your mogul , with working mms and all , you can get 200 to 300 depending on the condition. food for thought.
Hi, this is my first post on the XDA forums and I have some Q's. Hopefully I find some A's. Can someone point me in the right direction or explain this. I bought a used Sprint Mogul and I have Alltel. I want to have this phone work for Alltel. All I have right now is the newest HTC rom for alltel and the Titan Unlocker. Will someone give me a hand on how to make this phone my new phone for Alltel? BTW I dont want to really run any custom roms unless I have to.
Thanks,
Moulds
The problem isn't the rom, the problem is that carriers store their "own" ESN's in their systems, since the phone wasn't sold to Altel originally, it won't be in their system. There are stories of people having success getting one carrier or the other to activate other carriers phones, but it's extrememly rare and very difficult to do. The first thing you would have to do is download the stock rom for Altel for your model phone, flash it, and verify the phone boots and appears to work. At this point, you can try going into the Altel store and see if you can convince their reps to activate the phone. If they won't, then try calling customer service and see if you can get them over the phone to do it, however again, their system is going to throw up a flag when they try to activate someone other carriers phone.
If the phone doesn't look exactly like Altel's there is even less of a chance of getting it activated.
Honestly your best bet is to put it back on ebay and take the proceeds from that sale to buy a used Altel phone. You will have a whole lot less trouble.
BTC
Well what if I took the current esn of my razr on change my mogul to that? would that work and if so how do I do that.
That is illegal and even discussing it in this forum can get you banned.
While possible, Altel will know it's a data phone and could legally sue you for violating their terms of service.
Again, your best bet is either to change to Sprint, or swap the phone out on ebay for one from Altel.
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Mogul on Alltel
I just bought a Mogul and loaded an Alltel stock ROM last weekend. It has been working great. Alltel will put the ESN in no problem if you call them on the phone. Don't tell them it is from another carrier. All they asked me was what type of phone it was.
Tools I used:
ftp://ppcgeeks.com/../Tools/QPST_2.7.249.zip -THis is used to unlock your phone if needed and update the service information from Sprint to Your Provider
ftp://ppcgeeks.com/../Tools/GetSPC.zip (finds your phone's MSL if it needs unlocked).
ftp://up.ppcgeeks.com/Titan/Users/Im...rd-SPL-MFG.exe - Run this and then your RUU loader afterwords to install your ROM
Latest ROM ver 3.52.671.9 (What I am running) @ http://www.htc.com/us/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=63&act=all
make sure you have the usb cable, activesync if you are on XP, otherwise Vista has it already.
Basically you need to
1. Get the MSL code from GetSPC inputing your ESN and it outputs the MSL.
2. Put your phone in DIAG mode (##3424# ##3424 Send, or #*#3424). If it is a sprint phone, the first one will work.
3. Run QPST (you will need the MSL you obtained from getSPC
4. You may want to save the phone's configuration if you ever want to roll back to the SPCS config. Anway, Change the MSL to 000000 and write it back to the phone.
5. then run the Hard-SPL-MFG.exe program, paying attention to when it tells you to disconnect and reconnect your phone.
6. Then install your ROM by running the RUU program on your pc.
7. Now, you will need to configure service by going into DIAG mode again (probably need to use ##3424 SEND now) and using QPST change the service information to that for Alltel or whatever carrier you want. I had it easy, I plugged in my Samsung Hue R500 and copied the service information off of that one.
8. If you get all the service information right, you should be able to call Alltel, give them the ESN. If they give you slack, wait a bit and call back until you get someone nice. Persistance is the key. Then you can do *228 for OTA programming.
If you need Alltel config I will post it here, just PM me.
Scott Emick
BillThyCat said:
The problem isn't the rom, the problem is that carriers store their "own" ESN's in their systems, since the phone wasn't sold to Altel originally, it won't be in their system. There are stories of people having success getting one carrier or the other to activate other carriers phones, but it's extrememly rare and very difficult to do. The first thing you would have to do is download the stock rom for Altel for your model phone, flash it, and verify the phone boots and appears to work. At this point, you can try going into the Altel store and see if you can convince their reps to activate the phone. If they won't, then try calling customer service and see if you can get them over the phone to do it, however again, their system is going to throw up a flag when they try to activate someone other carriers phone.
If the phone doesn't look exactly like Altel's there is even less of a chance of getting it activated.
Honestly your best bet is to put it back on ebay and take the proceeds from that sale to buy a used Altel phone. You will have a whole lot less trouble.
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Alltel DOES activate CDMA phones NOT branded Alltel. Please have all your info str8 before misinforming someone.
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Alltel DOES activate CDMA phones NOT branded Alltel. Please have all your info str8 before misinforming someone.
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The Altel store here doesn't. I don't have Altel so I have never called their customer service, but since I see this same question asked for every other carrier and they all get the same advice I handed out, I assumed that all Altel stores were the same.
Sorry for "misinforming" someone, however, the fact that it has been programmed for sprint may cause him issues down the road... So again, I still think my advice of getting an Altel branded phone is the smartest option.
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Wow thanks for the help anything else I should be warned of?
why would getting an alltel phone be any different than using a sprint/AT&T etc phone. They are all the same, just locked onto their networks for service. If he had bought an HTC Titan that was not branded to a carrier he would have the same luck as all others. Many people still buy unlocked out of the box phones. Most carriers will also add them to their services. The stores may not, but the phone people will. These companies are in business to make money and have customers and turning someone down because they don't get your free phone ain't gonna happen. Just don't tell them it was another carrier's phone.
First off AT&T is GSM, which means if the phone is unlocked you can just stick and sim card in there and bam, it works.
CDMA is different. I know I have looked at my QPST and EPST info pretty close, and there are many settings in there that are carrier specific, so that if you were to try to use it on a different carrier it wouldn't work very well. Phone most likely will work, but data is a different beast. I see dozens of people on here who flash a sprint rom on their verizon phone and accidently let customization run, once you've done this, rolling back to a verizon rom in some cases doesn't fix the problem, you have to go in and hand edit a lot of settings, the same could apply here, since Sprint apparently is different than most carriers.
I'm glad you've had luck getting other carriers phone's activated, and how many of those were smart phones? I bet most were just plain phones, in which case there isn't any problems.
I'm not gonna get in a flamewar with you, I stated my opinion, you stated yours, I feel yours is wrong, you feel mine is wrong. Lets leave it at that.
As to the OP, feel free to try to get it activated, heck, it might work, but if it doesn't, then again, get the correct carrier branded phone and you will have no problems!
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One question am I able to just get the service information from my razr and use that? and if so how do I do that.
actually I am not flaming, and not stating opinion. I am stating fact. If you buy a stock HTC phone w/o contract, which would be unlocked. You can get it activated on any carrier that supports its network CMA or GSM. Smartphone or regular phone. The point is to not tell them it was from another carrier.
One question am I able to just get the service information from my razr and use that? and if so how do I do that????
scottemick said:
I just bought a Mogul and loaded an Alltel stock ROM last weekend. It has been working great. Alltel will put the ESN in no problem if you call them on the phone. Don't tell them it is from another carrier. All they asked me was what type of phone it was.
Tools I used:
ftp://ppcgeeks.com/../Tools/QPST_2.7.249.zip -THis is used to unlock your phone if needed and update the service information from Sprint to Your Provider
ftp://ppcgeeks.com/../Tools/GetSPC.zip (finds your phone's MSL if it needs unlocked).
ftp://up.ppcgeeks.com/Titan/Users/Im...rd-SPL-MFG.exe - Run this and then your RUU loader afterwords to install your ROM
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the link to the 3rd file you listed is broken... is there anywhere else to get that file? i've tried to google it but i cant get the whole filename from the link to do so.
Thanks for any help
Actually it can be done. I done it today with no problem. Just because the epst and qpst settings are carrier specific doesn't mean that they cant be changed. What I will say is that after you have unlocked the phone and finally have your # activated on alltel via esn your sprint mogul will be functional. you have to update the prl so u wont be stuck in roaming and your data package will be disabled because Sprint uses a different server address. In order to change these settings you will use both qpst to set in hard settings and back everything up and then epst to keep the settings within the phone. the reason you wont have data has to deal with the Security and M.IP settings. its a lot to type so im not going to but if im on at any time you can pm me to walk you through it or even better you can reach me on yahoo messenger. its set within my phone as well so I can give you real time help with the settings on the spot. My messenger name is seraphazaziel79 as well.
I bought a Qwest phone sometime this Spring and I was trying to get it activated on Verizon. I flat out told them it was from another carrier, they put that in my customer file and copied down the ESN so when I called back and told them that it was a XV6800 they called me out on it. Basically lie to them from the beginning and you should be good. If they won't activate it you can sell a Sprint phone on ebay. My Qwest phone makes a pretty decent paper weight.
I have searched for hours and did not see anything that relates to my specific situation. I have the HTC PPC6800 via a small carrier/service provider with no “smart phone” tech support. They have been great and I’m not interested in changing. They have obviously purchased the 6800 through a large carrier. I would like to know if there is any way via a registry editor, software, etc., that I can find out which carrier (Alltel, Sprint, etc) my 6800’s software is based on so I might be able to upgrade. I’m running WM 6.0, the ROM is 2.17.557.0 and the Radio is 1.64.00.
Thanks!
2.17 sounds like first sprint rom..Is it cdma?
Yes it is CDMA.
Previously I did try to upgrade to the Sprint ROM off HTC's site and it was 2 days of "hair pulling" to get it back working again. There is nothing that displays, or can be found on the phone to indicate there is any specific carrier. I was hoping that somewhere there might be an "indicator" in as to which carrier it is based on.
Thank you for responding!
I believe the roms themselves are all generic to a point, the stuff that makes them carrier based is the apps they include and the stuff that the carrier cab installs on custom roms. I know the carriers don't use the same cabs we have, but I would imagine if you use QPST to read and save your programming configuration and then copy down every single line of info in your EPST and then double check your dial up connection, make sure it's #777 that it dials, that you should be able to flash any rom and then write back your info with QPST and then re-enter all the info from EPST, make sure your dialup connection is back, and this really should get you back up.
I don't really have a lot of info on carriers, but USCC is like yours they use someone elses work and just build off of it. So I don't have a stock carrier to revert back to as well.
I know I flashed someones phone the other day that I just could not get QPST to read the info from, and was able to get it back online by just writing back my QPST info from my phone and just edit the fields that were account specific and then fixed a couple lines in EPST and everything worked.
So I believe my method I described above should get you up and running, but I could be wrong, might want to wait until a couple other experts chime in.
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BTC,
Thank you! I will give your instructions a try after doing lots of research!
I have searched this forum and the net and could not get a definative answer. Possibly someone knowledgeable and experienced can answer this question?
Is the “base” OS the same for each CDMA carrier? If so, can you update using a “similar” carrier Rom and then soft rest before it installs the carrier specific add-ons? Example: Flash Alltel ROM to US Cellular 6800.
Thanks!
yes, you can, if you really wanted to. chances are, the customizations will get run at one time or another though. you might not be able to get around it. just remember that you have to unlock your phone first using a hard spl. but yeah, it could be done. is there a specific reason why you want the alltel rom for your USC 6800?
I would also recommend against this, and the reason why is if their carrier customization ever starts, now or down the road, you are screwed. Since USCC has no stock rom, getting the settings back where they belong is a real pain in the ass.
It still voids your warranty just like any custom rom would, so you may as well run one of the custom roms that have more memory, more recent versions of WinMO, and GPS enabled.
All in all, there is never a good reason to flash a carrier rom, unless its your carrier and you are returning it for warranty support. Otherwise the carriers roms are locked down, less memory, their bloatware and less options for you.
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Thank you both for the responses!
The reason behind the question is that my carrier is small (great company) and they don't have the ability to offer/supply upgrades, and HTC refuses to even let me register so I have no avenue for an upgrade to 6.1. My carrier has purchased the 6800's through another carrier and I have not been able to get a solid answer as to what carrier it is based on.
I very much want access to 6.1 and stand alone GPS, not to mention the better BT stack and threaded SMS. I was hoping that I could use a "base" upgrade from a similar carrier and avoid the carrier add-ons during the upgrade with the soft reset. The carrier that supplied the 6800's has been narrowed down to Alltel or US Cellular. Alltel has an upgrade, US Cellular does not. At least not that I can find.
Thank you again!
Your issue will come down to whether you can find a compatible carrier cab then.
Use QPST to back up your phone's programming, and copy down every field in every section of EPST, this will at least give you a base to go back to.
Honestly if you follow the route of the custom roms, use QPST to restore the phone's programming and then fix any EPST differences, your phone should just work. You may have to recreate the dialup connection so that it can still get on the internet, but if it doesn't work, there isn't any going back.
So, you might mention what carrier you have and see if anyone else from the same carrier has had any success. Flying blind is dangerous, usually there will be someone else who is in the same boat that has taken the plunge and can probably assist you in how to do it for your carrier.
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BTC,
Thank you again for the words of wisdom which are points well taken. Unfortunately, I have only found one other person that shares the carrier and the 6800 and he's at the same starting point I am.
We are "comparing" notes now and will hopefully come up with a solution. I have (I believe) downloaded QPST but have not played with it yet. I guess you could say I was being lazy and hoping for an easy option. I guess it's time to jump in the water...
Again, many thanks!
Tim
Here is a decent article that talks about how to use QPST (in a different context, but it at least walks you thru the basics you will need).
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=36377
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I've been in the same situation with a small carrier. Illinois Valley Cellular to be specific. We get our phones from other carriers too. I talked to tech about upgrades, they told me to do whatever works. I'm using an unlocked bootloader with a custom ROM. Thought they did tell me someone did the same with a Sprint stock ROM to get GPS working. I used QPST to back up everything and saw some traces of Cellular South in the programming too!
Thanks to all that responded! I guess I have lots of "studying" to do.