My apologies if this has been covered....I searched a bit but didn't find the answer.
My friend has a Mogul he got from sprint. He'd like to sell it to me for $75.
I wonder. If I use DCD kitchen, load the verizon radio, DCD ROM, then the verizon Carrier cab......would it work?
Thanks,
Matt
sudermatt said:
My apologies if this has been covered....I searched a bit but didn't find the answer.
My friend has a Mogul he got from sprint. He'd like to sell it to me for $75.
I wonder. If I use DCD kitchen, load the verizon radio, DCD ROM, then the verizon Carrier cab......would it work?
Thanks,
Matt
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I don't believe so. The radio in the sprint phone is GSM and the radio in the Verizon phone is CDMA.
Edit: I am incorrect. Sprint is CDMA and Verizon is CDMA... so I'm guessing that it could be possible. I have yet to test this though.
The answer is yes and no.
Yes, it is the exact same hardware, and therefore you can flash a custom rom/radio and install the verizon carrier cab leaving you with an xv6800 with a mogul casing.
The only issue is getting Verizon to activate it on their network, as it has a Sprint ESN. In the past, they were very strict about not allowing any non-Verizon ESN's in their database, though I've heard RUMORS that they've eased up a bit on it due to their "Open Network" campaign.
Honestly, it's a crapshoot, but if you can get Verizon Support to activate it, then it would work perfectly.
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The answer is yes and no.
Yes, it is the exact same hardware, and therefore you can flash a custom rom/radio and install the verizon carrier cab leaving you with an xv6800 with a mogul casing.
The only issue is getting Verizon to activate it on their network, as it has a Sprint ESN. In the past, they were very strict about not allowing any non-Verizon ESN's in their database, though I've heard RUMORS that they've eased up a bit on it due to their "Open Network" campaign.
Honestly, it's a crapshoot, but if you can get Verizon Support to activate it, then it would work perfectly.
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I heard somewhere that verizon has a new policy to support any phone on their network, but they also call their data plan with a 5GB cap the "UNLIMITED" plan. Go figure.
Hopefully when Sprint comes out with the Diamond and other awesome new HTC phones about a year ahead of Verizon, we will be able to active their hardware on The Network. I am keeping my fingers crossed.
Yes it can be done. i have an alltel ppc6800 on vzw. the easiest way to do it is from the vzw website esn switch or activate equipment. There are some other steps you have to take to get the software loaded, not the stock rom. Then you will have to call vzw and have them reset your DMU keys. start here:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=20090
or send you phone in:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=24855
Oh and you'll have yo change the SPC code since it's a sprint phone. need to get that to a 000000, again the first post will help with that.
Hope this helps.
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How possible is[nt] this?
Anyone got a clue? I would love t move, BUT I don't have $350 for a new mogul [vx6800]
I gather this isn't legally possible without having Sprint unlock your phone (which they said they'll start doing, AFTER contracts run out), and then having Verizon permit your unlocked phone onto their network.
There are probably ways of doing it yourself, but they're not legal. And they require more intimate knowledge of the phone networks than I possess.
Yes and no
Greetings,
It would work as the devices are pretty much the same, major diff is the MSL. Sprint uses an algorithm to compute this code based on ESN, where Verizon just uses 000000 on all units. This could be changed easily and you could even have a ROM cooked up that would load the VZW applications loaded up. Where you run into a problem is that both carriers look at the ESN range that your unit falls in and will deny you just simply based on that alone. It is a rule of the carrier as opposed it not working. Maybe they will open the rules one day, as they actually do use the same CDMA network, as a consultant I work on Sprint, VZW, Alltel, and many others systems.
The way I see it, if sprint is allowing the phones to go global, then it should work. I remember in the days when i was in love with the e815 for vzw. The e816 came out, which is a black version, but it was only for amped mobile. I was able to swap out the rom and then use the e816 on verizons network. I'm not sure if its the same for sprint, but maybe since they're all cdma phones anyway.
I'm tempted to try a VZW ROM on my phone and see what happens... I got as friend with VZW I could call in and try to activate under her account... Maybe I'll try it.
I was a cell tech 10 years ago but now I am lost. I want to switch providers but keep my phone. Company techs say no way, have to buy new phone. That HTC 6800 and xv6800 look similar but have different guts and one will not emulate the other. Can I flash the mogul to work with verizon? If so, A few keywords for searching this site, to get up to speed would be greatley appreciated. Thanks for your help.
The phones are essentially identical if you put cosmetic differences aside. The real difference is that Sprint have that one's ESN number in their database for the phone, and Verizon have no knowledge of that phone in their database. So, if you call VZW they will say, "hmmm... nope, we can't help you." But, if you illegally change that one's ESN to the ESN of a valid Verizon phone, you can register that phone to their network. But, there is a little difference about ESN, MSL, MSID, etc. between VZW and Sprint... so if you decide to break the law well, make sure to research your topic thoroughly. It is possible though.
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The phones are essentially identical if you put cosmetic differences aside. The real difference is that Sprint have that one's ESN number in their database for the phone, and Verizon have no knowledge of that phone in their database. So, if you call VZW they will say, "hmmm... nope, we can't help you." But, if you illegally change that one's ESN to the ESN of a valid Verizon phone, you can register that phone to their network. But, there is a little difference about ESN, MSL, MSID, etc. between VZW and Sprint... so if you decide to break the law well, make sure to research your topic thoroughly. It is possible though.
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verizon now (or will soon) lets you use any phone on their network (provided its CDMA of course) so having them activate a sprint mogul shoudlnt be an issue
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verizon now (or will soon) lets you use any phone on their network (provided its CDMA of course) so having them activate a sprint mogul shoudlnt be an issue
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My Verizon rep said next year... and in Verizon time that means don't hold your breath.
i had heard some areas had started immediately following the announcement last november
So I did the unlock and put the new sprint rom on it. I then loaded the prl, changed the msl to all 0's. I called verizon to change it from my juke. They told me the esn is not in there database, she had to submit a form to try to get it changed, it will be some days if they do it at all. Is there anything I can do to get this to work on Verizon without them trying to add the esn and it possibly getting denied. I would like to get it up and running today. Does anybody have a way to fix this, that is in noob terms. Thank you in advance!
Yes, you can supercid it and then clone your existing esn onto it.
http://www.ringerpost.com/forums/rpost.pl?b-rt/m-1207420735/
ok I attempted to clone it to my existing juke phone that I have active on verizon. When i change the esn I get no signal. Even when prl is loaded. When I change the esn back to the stock esn, I get a signal, but verizon won't activate that esn, they called me back and said its a sprint esn and they couldn't activate it. Man I am pulling my hair out trying to figure this out. Can anybody offer some help, or post the steps they used to get this working?
any help would be great
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any help would be great
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vzw hasnt fully made their system open yet. they wont accept an esn that they didnt sell. so no sprint esn will be activated. the only thing you can do is change the esn, but since that makes you not able to get a signal, seems like you might not be doing that right...
i don't understand what im doing wrong
You're not doing anything wrong. Verizon WILL not activate any phone on their network that doesn't have a Verizon ESN. The mogul will run perfectly fine on the network, but because it has a Sprint ESN, they will not activate it. Now...if you're trying to clone the ESN of an existing Verizon phone, that's a whole different story and is quite illegal.
I don't believe that cloning the esn from a juke will work -- because VZW knows the phone type by the esn. It seems that you would need to use an esn from a junk mogul
give it a try?
the phne should at least get a signal from that esn though. It gets nothing! Its like I'm in a no coverage zone
i just activated my sprint motoQ on verizon. they did not question the sprint ESN at all.
flashed a vz image and vz prl, and all is good.
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i just activated my sprint motoQ on verizon. they did not question the sprint ESN at all.
flashed a vz image and vz prl, and all is good.
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^^^ Thats cuz they know the power of DCD
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i just activated my sprint motoQ on verizon. they did not question the sprint ESN at all.
flashed a vz image and vz prl, and all is good.
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is it possible to use verizon phone for sprint? Then use your rom?
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is it possible to use verizon phone for sprint? Then use your rom?
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I would love to know this. It would cut my bill by about 75%.
Asking the experts...
I have been reading and following the titan for some time and are ready to purchase. Looking at Verizon vs. Sprint for new device, Verizon is way more expensive. Looking at eBay there are many for Sprint and next to zero for Verizon.
I would like to bid on a "clean ESN" phone for Sprint, then activate on Verizon. Possibly even activate on Sprint for some time then switch. (I have under 2 months left on my contract).
I have found a few that are NIB for a seller and asked for the ESN. He states he gives them only to the winner. I say red flag, but does he have a security issue (I could clone it??)?
And from above, could I do the double activate or if Verizon says it is clean only do it there?
Thanks.
I am also trying to do this. I have the cracking 6800 package, followed the instructions and was able to get the cid to all o's, although i am stuck in CDMA workshop and cant change the ESN because i am not sure what port to connect on( i have tried all them no luck) Anyone with any ideas would help me out alot. Also if the phone is currently unlocked with 2.4 loader but has the sprint 3.35 radio is it safe to flash to a stock verizon rom? Do i need to even do this? I have flashed with a custom rom then selected verizon as my carrier but in EPST config it still shows SPCS.
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i just activated my sprint motoQ on verizon. they did not question the sprint ESN at all.
flashed a vz image and vz prl, and all is good.
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SHOW OFF.......lol
were not worthy!.....were not worthy!
Hi guys. I've read through the threads and I've not seen anything specific to my question.
Had to buy the XV6800 for work out of my pocket. Two months later, they let me go (downsizing....yay for me). Luckily, they owned the plan, but I own the phone.
Can I load the Sprint ROM onto my phone and activate it on the Sprint network? I've been with Sprint for 10 years and they generally treat me good. The tech support guy in the store said 'theoretically, yes, if you load the Sprint ROM it should work, but I don't know if they'll activate it or not and we can't support it." He did say that Sprint was trying to be more open in their network.
Any takers to this one? Otherwise, I'm going to have to Ebay this phone, and I really hate doing that. It's been a decent phone. Putting it on Sprint would be nice.
Thanks!
EDIT: I'm asking this because I've seen people mention that they are stuck on Sprint's towers when they upgrade the XV6800 with one of the custom ROMs. It seems possible then to talk Sprint into activating it. But what would I need? MSL, etc?
If it doesnt say "SPRINT" on the phone sprint wont activate it.
This has been discussed several times at PPCGeeks, and from what I've read, it's a lot easier to take a Mogul from Sprint and put it on VZ's network, than it is to take an XV6800 from VZ and put it on Sprint's network. that is, as long as you talk to the right VZ tech. i believe that the techs at VZ have a lot easier time entering new ESN's into their database than do techs at Sprint, and the ones at VZ are a lot more willing to do this. sorry.
but my guess is that after Verizon opens up their network to foreign CDMA ESN's (in june/july-ish i believe) that Sprint would more than likely start putting in more ESN's to grab your business. otherwise, it'd be fighting up a slippery slope if any phone on sprint could be used willingly on verizon.
as for your problem, i really don't know how exactly, but if you do under the grace of god manage to have sprint enter the ESN in, i believe it only takes a few EPST setting changes and a customization to work.
You can but......
Well yes here is an idea for you, but keep in mind that doing it is technically NOT legal to do, for reasons we will not go into. If you have a phone that is on Sprint that is EVDO then you could put the ESN and MIN in the 6800. I am not suggesting that you do this at all, but it would work. Other than legallity issues, and that you could never turn on the power to that other phone or else it would trip fraud detection software and cause a re-generate of the A-Key in the system killing your 6800, so I say just don't do it, but it would work.
i bought an HTC PPC6800 Mogul (on ebay) for the alltel network any ideas, for a noob, on how to make this work with sprint?
i bought an HTC PPC6800 Mogul (on ebay) for the alltel network any ideas, for a noob, on how to make this work with sprint?
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Why would you buy an alltel phone off ebay if you want to use Sprint's network?
i bought the alltel version because i saved 400 bucks doing that, also the same phone is available for both providers so technically there shouldnt be any problems using one or the other right? i am stuck with sprint so must use them for now
Yes there is one big problem. You can't use an Alltel ESN on the Sprint network unless you somehow manage to get Sprint to add it to their database.
so i am stuck with a phone for alltel that i will not get to use with sprint, ever?
Pretty much...unless you can SOMEHOW convince a dumbass sprint rep to add it for you (pretty much never happens)...or you clone a Sprint ESN which is illegal.
Sprint to Alltel
I flashed a Sprint Touch(6900) with the official Alltel rom and Alltel added with no problems and everything on the phone worked great. I would think you can just flash a sprint carrier rom, now whether Sprint will add an Alltel ESN on your account I do not know....
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alltell doesnt care as long as its a phone that they sell ... sprint cares... now for the ESN thing as long as its not a ESN in use by a other phone in therory it isnt cloning its just barrowing... say my old phone broke and i used its ESN this is all theory though good luck
seems i got sprint to add the phone i flashed from alltel to sprint, yea. NOW i would like to supercid it any ideas?