Rooting 170 USB Error... - Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hi Guys
I'm having a nightmare attempting to root my friends Hero. I've rooted several before with no issue, both generic models and network branded models, made goldcards and never had problems. This time though...completely stuck.
I've tried this on two different PCs (Windows 7 and Vista) and each time when I go to run the RUU (tried generic and the Orange UK version) and each time I'm getting the 170 USB error.
I've Googled for a solution and each time the solution is to get the newest version of HTC Sync but I definitely have that installed.The Android SDK is there, I've had USb debugging off and on and each time it's the same thing. I've been in every USB port on both PCs with no luck.
Has anyone got any ideas? Or is there a way to do the process on Linux?

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Any ideas guys, tried again yesterday and still nowhere.

Have a look at BTDAGs guide linked in my signature, read the FAQ at the bottom of the first post,...
There might be a solution to the error msg your getting.
...if not, I'd uninstall all drivers and any HTC stuff, reboot, then start again.
Sent from my HTC Hero using XDA App

I think there is something called OPENRUU in the development section which let's you use the HTC ruu's on a Linux machine...
Sent from my HTC Hero using XDA App

That's great, thanks very much. Completely stumped with this!

munkimatt said:
That's great, thanks very much. Completely stumped with this!
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Did you try to follow my guide? I have re-written it so that this doesn't happen any more (hopefully).

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Unable to root Tmobile G2.

Hi guys, I've had a fair read through the forum already but can't find a solution to my problem.
I have a HTC Magic which I have rooted and am running cyanogen 6.0 RC.
My problem is with my girlfriend's Tmobile HTC G2 (Hero).
I initially tried running the 2 part update from Tmobile but receive the yellow triangle error so am told to downgrade my rom from the HTC site.
I cannot for the life of me get this to work, HTC sync works fine. I run the uud.exe file update and the phone boots to UUD usb mode,xp informs me of "android 1.0" being connected and the installer gives me error [171] USB connection error.
The program then terminates, the same thing happens following the guide: http :// forum .xda-developers. com/showthread.php?t=645253&page=3 (cant add the link)
I'm stuck for ideas. Booting into hboot (power on and vol down) gives me my spl:1.76.007 which know for the magic was the perfect spl. The radio is 6.35.07.08.
Any help would be appreciated, all I want is this retched device to be upgraded from android 1.5!!!
Thanks in advance.
Nath
As noted in my FaQ please follow my guide on Correct drivers and check the bootloader drivers section. This should fix your issue.
Not development related, reported to be moved to Q&A.
buddn, I have the same phone all stats identical and got the same error too. It locked up the phone on the skate-boarding android screen and let a nervous half-hour of searching before pulling the battery and it restarted fine.
If you solve this please post back what I/we are doing wrong.
btdag, can you be any more specific? Do I have to use your drivers? I have used ones from the latest HTC Sync and the latest Android-SDK, I'm running Windows 7.
Currently setting up the XP mode in Win7 as plenty of people seem to recommend flashing from XP instead. But progress is slow as the hours I have to play are limited!
Thanks both,
Craig
What ROM version are you running currently and what are you trying to downgrade to?
I had SPL 1.76.0007 originally, I ended up using the engineering SPL (2007) but that was for other reasons.
But btdag's guides are really well laid out, sometimes you do have to uninstall all your drivers and just follow his steps, I know I have in the past and that normally solves everything! He provides links to ADB and HTC Sync drivers, but personally I use the ones from the ADK and the latest HTC Sync I could find... but then I'm a bleeding edge kind of guy
Can you both try the "GoldCard" Test Procedure for me in my guide here
This has been done today and there may be some edits necessary to get it completely working, it's also designed for Windows 7 rather than XP or Vista and should work on both x86 (32-bit) and x64 (64-bit) systems. Having said that it should also work on XP and Vista in a similar way.
dancollins said:
But btdag's guides are really well laid out, sometimes you do have to uninstall all your drivers and just follow his steps, I know I have in the past and that normally solves everything! He provides links to ADB and HTC Sync drivers, but personally I use the ones from the ADK and the latest HTC Sync I could find... but then I'm a bleeding edge kind of guy
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I have updated my guide to use the latest HTC Sync drivers as they appear to support adb correctly. I'll be editing my driver guide soon and possibly removing it altogether. I'm also a bleeding edge kind of guy but i've only recently found the latest version of the drivers to work. I had no idea about the implications, until now.
hey.
i have a tmobile g2 and i used btdag's guide for rooting it. seeing i tried to simple procedure and failed, i resorted to the goldcard method. it took me only 3 hours xD.
the reason it took me so long was the wrong drivers. when i reviewed the guide i tried the drivers mentioned there and it work. oddly enough, stock drivers that came with the g2 were said to be for g1 magic. the gold card method works flawlessly and now i have a rooted hero with amon_ra's recovery and custom rom.
btdag, mate, thanks for the guide. helped a lot.
oh and yeah...the "downgrade" was actually an upgrade seeing i had an even older rom on my hero (bought 6 weeks ago). stock rom was android 1.5 (ancient )
Thanks btdag, that revised goldcard tutorial worked a treat! I now have 2.73.4705.5 installed and can play properly!
The problem I had was the fastboot driver not being installed hence not connecting to the exe file upon the reboot. After installing the correct driver for that the process worked a treat.
As a side note, I couldn't connect to htc sync after changing the driver but it wasn't needed.
Thanks for all your help. Got a "buy me a beer" link?
Nath
Glad to have two positive responses to the revised guide.
@buddin - i also can't connect to htc sync at the moment, i'm wondering whether its because of my rom but maybe it is the software/driver, i'll look into it further.
I don't have a "buy me a beer" link cause I have only re-written other peoples work. Thanks for the praise though
i had the same problem about the htc syncr for weeks, it doesn't syncronise , i found that if uncheck USB debugging, and pull down the notification bar check the syncro and then open HTC syncro then it syncronises.
i think it something to do with, when ADB is setup and working somehow it cancels the HTC syncro, but who needs HTC syncro when you got ADB
i find HTC syncro useless comparing it to ADB. except from sync contacts and calendar ,that about it, nothing more. thanks to Btdag with his so made easy to follow guides and the all the devs for doing what HTC could not do.
try it guys, i may be wrong !!.
cheers

MTP drivers just wont install

The driver install fails on the HTC MTP driver install...I cannot get by this. I am running Windows 7 64 bit...anyone else having this issue?
OMG I fought with that for HOURS. I never did get them to work. I installed htc sync, htc sync manager, and I installed the all in one kit drivers.. Nothing. Windows 7 64 bit too.
I assume you are trying to unlock the bootloader and root?
Do both things manually using fast boot commands and recovery.
Tl;dr you can root without MTP drivers
wdkingery said:
OMG I fought with that for HOURS. I never did get them to work. I installed htc sync, htc sync manager, and I installed the all in one kit drivers.. Nothing. Windows 7 64 bit too.
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exactly like me, I have been fighting with this for two days now. Reinstalling htc sync, htc sync manager, cleaning out existing drivers reinstalling again. Removing everything that could be associated with htc at all, reinstalling android sdk etc etc.
Nothing makes my phone recogniced by ´adb devices´not even htc sync software recognice it.
Every time I plug it in, the device is recogniced and installed and it says under Portable Devices in the device manager ´HTC One X+´
Do you get the Choose type of connection screen on your phone when connecting it? Because I dont, is just says connected in debug mode, even if debug development tools is turned of and debug of. But it still doesnt show up in adb.
denne2 said:
Do you get the Choose type of connection screen on your phone when connecting it?
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No, not on this phone.. I think it has to do with the MTP crap. You can read an informative post by Lloir in the dev section to find out more.
wdkingery said:
No, not on this phone.. I think it has to do with the MTP crap. You can read an informative post by Lloir in the dev section to find out more.
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hmm.
went back to the store and made them try connecting the phone to one of their laptops, if course everything worked perfectly there
So now im back trying to figure out what to do. Going to find the post you mention and see if I get any hints there.
Did you notice my post above where you I claimed you can root and unlock without the drivers?
What do you need to do that you need them?
Hi,
I am reading this, it is exactly what I recognize with my new One X+ too.
BUT I am not wanting to root or something. I'd like the Navigon software to recognize my device and download the maps like it did on my Desire HD.
Any more hints to how I can get this running ?
regards,
Ruud

[Q] Programs can't connect to Droid DNA through COM port

I have an HTC Droid DNA that I hope to get switched over to MetroPCS. I have done this several times so I thought it would be no problem, but then I ran into a problem. No program I have tried (QPST, CDMA Workshop, DFS) can connect through the com port. The drivers are installed correctly and I tried updating them to no avail. Tried different usb ports and cables. Tried uninstalling and reinstalling drivers. Uninstalling and reinstalling htc sync. When i go into qpst configuration to add the port it sees it but doesnt have any info and when i open the service programming it doesnt detect a phone at all. In CDMA workshop it connects to the port but when I try to read the info it just comes back with garbage data and it gives an error when I try to send the SPC. Also the "HTC 9K DEV" isnt installed but I've heard it has something to do with LTE so that shouldnt matter right? are there drivers for this? I've been searching but haven't found anything that helps :/ Any help appreciated...
ZERO16LIVES said:
I have an HTC Droid DNA that I hope to get switched over to MetroPCS. I have done this several times so I thought it would be no problem, but then I ran into a problem. No program I have tried (QPST, CDMA Workshop, DFS) can connect through the com port. The drivers are installed correctly and I tried updating them to no avail. Tried different usb ports and cables. Tried uninstalling and reinstalling drivers. Uninstalling and reinstalling htc sync. When i go into qpst configuration to add the port it sees it but doesnt have any info and when i open the service programming it doesnt detect a phone at all. In CDMA workshop it connects to the port but when I try to read the info it just comes back with garbage data and it gives an error when I try to send the SPC. Also the "HTC 9K DEV" isnt installed but I've heard it has something to do with LTE so that shouldnt matter right? are there drivers for this? I've been searching but haven't found anything that helps :/ Any help appreciated...
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Are you running the stock ROM, what OS are you on, does this require adb? Just a few basic things. The DNA sometimes seems to have problems communicating so need to know some things.
Chyrux said:
Are you running the stock ROM, what OS are you on, does this require adb? Just a few basic things. The DNA sometimes seems to have problems communicating so need to know some things.
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Sorry, I knew I forgot to put something haha. I was on the stock Rom, tried unrooted then rooted just in case. I'm on FactoryROM now with the same result. My os is win 7 ultimate and I don't believe it requires adb but it does work with adb. Man I hope I can get this working, I already love this phone...
Thanks
So I tried it on a fresh win7 installation and still nothing so im going to try a different version. I'm currently using version 2.7 build 362 what do you guys use? do you possibly have a link?
EDIT: Tried build 366 and its the same. I tried build 378 and it says APQ8064 under phone 0 for esn and phone number and banner are blank and when i try to connect it says "online connection error: unspecified error" but at least it sees the phone now... Is there like a special way you're supposed to connect this phone or something? I have been doing it the same way i did my HTC Droid Eris, HTC Evo Shift 4G, and HTC Evo 3D...
EDIT2: Just found out that APQ8064 is the model number for the Snapdragon processor in the Droid DNA so at least it is seeing the phone and recognizing it...
HTC Sync supposedly (I haven't tested this) causes interference with the communication you need for the rooting exploit. Maybe it's also causing interference with the programs you're trying to use.
Just a thought.
M0rtiferrimus said:
HTC Sync supposedly (I haven't tested this) causes interference with the communication you need for the rooting exploit. Maybe it's also causing interference with the programs you're trying to use.
Just a thought.
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thanks, worth a shot.
I'm an idiot, all i had to do was install the driver for htc 9k diag and use that port instead... Wow, i feel dumb.
Merry Christmas and thanks for the help
EDIT: Nope nevermind still doesnt work...
Do you have USB debugging enabled?
yeah it is.. ugh I'm out of ideas...
Try turning USB debugging off. If that doesn't work, you could try resetting your phone.
If that still doesn't work, your computer may have downloaded faulty drivers. PM me and I can send you the ones from my phone, if you want.
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M0rtiferrimus said:
Try turning USB debugging off. If that doesn't work, you could try resetting your phone.
If that still doesn't work, your computer may have downloaded faulty drivers. PM me and I can send you the ones from my phone, if you want.
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I'll give it a shot. I don't think its the drivers though, I tried different ones just in case but these work with my other phones...
ZERO16LIVES said:
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I'll give it a shot. I don't think its the drivers though, I tried different ones just in case but these work with my other phones...
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I'm having the same issue. Did you ever figure it out? CDMA WS, DFS, and QPST aren't letting me write to the device.

Help unlocking and rooting.

Hi, long story short... i'm having some funky troubles unlocking my 2 days old Incredible 4g LTE.
Tried using this automatic script but it isn't working, attached below are some screens from my phone, and also one from the script, which gives me an error about "more than one device" connected.
I'm on Win 7 64 bits, latest HTC drivers (only drivers, no other htc software installed) tried on all 8 US ports my computer has, when i connect the phone it gets recognized perfectly so drivers are properly installed, i choose "charge only" mode and run the script but no luck.
Any ideas of what i could be doing wrong?
I'm not a complete noob in regards to rooting and flashing, on my previous Droid 2 Global i installed custom Roms. any help appreciated
EDIT: Forgot to mention that when i try to get the unlock code from HTCDev, it gives me this error: "MID not allowed"
sidgallup said:
Hi, long story short... i'm having some funky troubles unlocking my 2 days old Incredible 4g LTE.
Tried using this automatic script but it isn't working, attached below are some screens from my phone, and also one from the script, which gives me an error about "more than one device" connected.
I'm on Win 7 64 bits, latest HTC drivers (only drivers, no other htc software installed) tried on all 8 US ports my computer has, when i connect the phone it gets recognized perfectly so drivers are properly installed, i choose "charge only" mode and run the script but no luck.
Any ideas of what i could be doing wrong?
I'm not a complete noob in regards to rooting and flashing, on my previous Droid 2 Global i installed custom Roms. any help appreciated
EDIT: Forgot to mention that when i try to get the unlock code from HTCDev, it gives me this error: "MID not allowed"
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If you google, a bunch of people have had the problem with this emulator device showing up. This guy seems to have solved it:
http://0bar.nl/en/tech/adb-device-emulator-5554-offline
I'm assuming the script would run fine once you removed the emulator device. Hopefully that guys explanation removes it for you. If not, google is your friend
Yep, that helped... that ghost device was Blue Stacks App Player, after i uninstalled it the script worked perfectly and now i'm finally unlocked, just flashed recovery and now i'm deciding which ROM to flash... thanks a lot
sidgallup said:
Yep, that helped... that ghost device was Blue Stacks App Player, after i uninstalled it the script worked perfectly and now i'm finally unlocked, just flashed recovery and now i'm deciding which ROM to flash... thanks a lot
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NP buddy. CM is the way to go
The sense roms are nice and have some great tweaks, but I seriously cannot fathom why anyone would want a sense based rom over CM. Sorry Viper and Pizzuto!

i605 Note 2 to PC will not connect.

hey everyone, so ive have went thru all the threads i can find, done alot of research and have come up short. seems like alot of the users with the Verizon I605 Samsung Note 2 have the same problem, not connecting to their PC's.
-ive restarted both my note 2 and my PC numerous times.
-ive installed/uninstalled/re-installed the official Samsung website device drivers
-tried other USB ports
-tried up to 4 different USB/Mini USB cords
-made sure USB debugging was switched on
-Tried Samsung Kies, come to find out it doesn't support the I605 Note 2
-called Verizon and Samsung directly and both actually offered me a position as a tech after i told them all the things i did to figure it out, because it was way more then they could handle.
i know it has connected before, as i have done it once or twice a few weeks back but now it wont connect, drivers fail to install, and nothing else works. i have also tried every other method mentioned in the other threads. nothing has worked.
is there any fix for this? was it cause by the latest update?
im running 4.1.2/ VRAMC3
and im using Windows 7
please anyone lmk if there is a fix for this. ive exhausted all avenues known to me. thanks in advance.
Happened to me too, it's USB port in your computer. If you have any other computer or laptop try using that.
You can also try wireless connection for file transfer.
Sent from my SPH-L710 using xda premium
Hope you found your answer. If not have this moved. This was posted in the sprint version of the note 2 forums.
Sent from my SPH-L900 using Tapatalk 2
The appropriate forum would probably be more helpful.
Plus, are you getting any error messages? I've had issues with connecting the Sprint GN2. If I install the Samsung Drivers, I get a "Missing Hardware ID" error. I just found it's better not to install drivers. Let Windows install what drivers it can. Not all the drivers will install and will get an error message about device not successfully installed. But enough install that the GN2 will connect so you can move files around for MTP. See a thread I did back in December, linky
Also, you can try out SG Flash Drive Enabler. I've tried it out. It works pretty well. It has quirks, but does allow you to use your SDHC card as a flash drive. You have to use the MTP to access the phone's storage.
oh man...*face palm* sorry about posting in the wrong forum guys, i was about to crash and i didn't even realize. my mad.
MODS: please move this to the correct Forum section at your earliest convenience, thanks :silly:
i have found that airdroid does work for wifi file transfers for such things as pictures, music...etc. but im wanting to root my note 2 and it needs a direct line from the phone to the pc to work.
ill check out those links posted up and see what how it goes. but we still need a fix for this. kinda lame only (well most) the verizon SN2 is having this problem.
flip06 said:
...im wanting to root my note 2 and it needs a direct line from the phone to the pc to work....
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You may want to use ToolKit. I believe it's setup for AT&T tool. Uninstall KIES and all the samsung driver on the your PC. Choose to have ToolKit install the drivers. It should get your enough connection for ADB to work and be able to root and install a custom recovery. I had to use it a couple days ago to get a custom recovery back on the GN2 and I was getting the Missing Hardware ID error and still worked.
lovekeiiy said:
You may want to use ToolKit. I believe it's setup for AT&T tool. Uninstall KIES and all the samsung driver on the your PC. Choose to have ToolKit install the drivers. It should get your enough connection for ADB to work and be able to root and install a custom recovery. I had to use it a couple days ago to get a custom recovery back on the GN2 and I was getting the Missing Hardware ID error and still worked.
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Ive done that very process. Uninstalled kies and installed the toolkit drives. Some reason it would sort of connect but then disconnect. Never stayed on and wasnt able to be picked up as connected on the Odin program.
flip06 said:
Ive done that very process. Uninstalled kies and installed the toolkit drives. Some reason it would sort of connect but then disconnect. Never stayed on and wasnt able to be picked up as connected on the Odin program.
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I had a problem in windows 7 where it would connet to Windows update and try to get drivers for everything once they were connected. I turned off windows looking at windows update for drivers, uninstalled the driver for the phone, then installed Samsung's drivers. my phone showed up in windows again. now im able to get to both sd cards.. did you try that?
PuffJr2 said:
I had a problem in windows 7 where it would connet to Windows update and try to get drivers for everything once they were connected. I turned off windows looking at windows update for drivers, uninstalled the driver for the phone, then installed Samsung's drivers. my phone showed up in windows again. now im able to get to both sd cards.. did you try that?
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That's what I did to fox it as well
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PuffJr2 said:
I had a problem in windows 7 where it would connet to Windows update and try to get drivers for everything once they were connected. I turned off windows looking at windows update for drivers, uninstalled the driver for the phone, then installed Samsung's drivers. my phone showed up in windows again. now im able to get to both sd cards.. did you try that?
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where did you go on windows 7 to turn off the above mentioned? the middle part confuses me a bit. so your saying you turned off the windows feature to look for driver updates when the phone is connected via USB?
if you dont mind, please walk me thru your process. thanks in advance.
flip06 said:
where did you go on windows 7 to turn off the above mentioned? the middle part confuses me a bit. so your saying you turned off the windows feature to look for driver updates when the phone is connected via USB?
if you dont mind, please walk me thru your process. thanks in advance.
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http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc730606(v=ws.10).aspx
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shangrila500 said:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc730606(v=ws.10).aspx
Sent from my SCH-I605 using XDA Premium HD app
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I was just abput to refer this link to him. you beat me too it! loljooo
shangrila500 said:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc730606(v=ws.10).aspx
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thank you so much for the link. but still no dice. i uninstalled the drivers i had before, did your method, and then downloaded the drivers again from the toolkit. i still dont get a serial number in the toolkit showing the drivers are good to go, and the phone still doesn't connect.
WHAT THE DEUCE?!
flip06 said:
thank you so much for the link. but still no dice. i uninstalled the drivers i had before, did your method, and then downloaded the drivers again from the toolkit. i still dont get a serial number in the toolkit showing the drivers are good to go, and the phone still doesn't connect.
WHAT THE DEUCE?!
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Do you have Kies installed? I have to have Kies installed along with the other drivers to use Casual, Odin, or any of the other tools
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shangrila500 said:
Do you have Kies installed? I have to have Kies installed along with the other drivers to use Casual, Odin, or any of the other tools
Sent from my SCH-I605 using XDA Premium HD app
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Kies was un-installed per instuctions on the toolbox. i guess i could try and re-install it and retry everything.
EDIT: just remembered that Kies dosnt support the Verizon Note 2....lame sauce.
Source: https://community.verizonwireless.com/message/966503
i am going to try to download a older driver that was working before and see if that works. its linked near the bottom of the above posted link in one of the replies. ill come back with results.
ok so i downloaded the samsung drivers version 1.4.6.0 and followed the directions on the link i provided above. the drivers installed successfully, but the CASUAL(R515b) No You Verizon! program doesn't seem to see the phone connected to the computer. and just continually loops. sigh...this is getting to get stupid. such a simple task yet its not connecting.
EDIT: the drivers SAY they have installed successfully, but the computer still doesn't recognize the phone is connected. even reads on the phone that the software wasnt found to connect to the computers, and the CASUAL program also tells me that the phone isnt connected....sigh...seriously....WTF.
When you install your driver's on your pc you need to restart your pc...have you tryed that?
Sent from my Enormous note 2
flip06 said:
Kies was un-installed per instuctions on the toolbox. i guess i could try and re-install it and retry everything.
EDIT: just remembered that Kies dosnt support the Verizon Note 2....lame sauce.
Source: https://community.verizonwireless.com/message/966503
i am going to try to download a older driver that was working before and see if that works. its linked near the bottom of the above posted link in one of the replies. ill come back with results.
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While Kies does not officially support the VZW Note 2 it is the only way me and my friends can get our PCs to see our Note 2s, that's the only reason I ask and it is usually par for course. Its what's suggested in these cases if it isn't already installed. It can hurt to give it a shot and see if it helps anything, if not you can just uninstall it again.
Also check out the OP in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2304481
And if that doesn't help you can always try the code in the last post of this page and see if it works:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2033870&page=2
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mr pnut said:
When you install your driver's on your pc you need to restart your pc...have you tryed that?
Sent from my Enormous note 2
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yup tried that.
shangrila500 said:
While Kies does not officially support the VZW Note 2 it is the only way me and my friends can get our PCs to see our Note 2s, that's the only reason I ask and it is usually par for course. Its what's suggested in these cases if it isn't already installed. It can hurt to give it a shot and see if it helps anything, if not you can just uninstall it again.
Also check out the OP in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2304481
And if that doesn't help you can always try the code in the last post of this page and see if it works:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2033870&page=2
Sent from my SCH-I605 using XDA Premium HD app
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ive redownloaded it, so ill give it another try. are you saying just have it downloaded and then do nothing with it? or do you somehow get it to connect? i mean just having it as a presents on the computer to have something else connect seems odd to me but hell im down for whatever at this point. ima load it up now and try.

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