Can anyone confirm what processor the HTC mozart uses? While researching the specs of the device, there are conflicting reports of it having either the QSD8250 or the MSM8250 on various websites. Since the MSM8250 is listed as 45nm and uses the newer ardeno 205 GPU, it would be a much more attractive device hardware wise.
BeachRoad said:
Can anyone confirm what processor the HTC mozart uses? While researching the specs of the device, there are conflicting reports of it having either the QSD8250 or the MSM8250 on various websites. Since the MSM8250 is listed as 45nm and uses the newer ardeno 205 GPU, it would be a much more attractive device hardware wise.
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Microsoft's site states all devices use the QSD8250. It shouldnt matter really, there are proper drivers which Microsoft wrote which fully utilises the CPU/GPU. Previous devices didn't.
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Microsoft's site states all devices use the QSD8250. It shouldnt matter really, there are proper drivers which Microsoft wrote which fully utilises the CPU/GPU. Previous devices didn't.
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yu are 100% right , games and graphics on old wp7 snapdragon looks more better than my friend's galaxy s wit it's powerful gpu
I wrote a email too HTC about the processor in HD7 and Trohpy and got this first:
Dear ***,
Thank you for your mail regarding processor in the HTC Trophy
The processor in the Trophy is a 1GHz Qualcomm MSM8250.
Hope that clears you'r mind.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number ***.
Sincerely,
Danni
HTC
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Now, since I didn't get a respond on the HD7 I wrote a new message and got this:
Dear ***,
AS faar as i have been informed all HTC phones are running on the MSM8250
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number ***.
Sincerely,
Danni
HTC
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Now, I checked eXpansys site this morning, which claimed both the Trophy and HD7 to sport a QSD8250 processor, but later todo they have changed to only state 1Ghz Snapdragon.
So, according to Danni at HTC, the Mozart should have a MSM8250.
Also, Endgadget claims it to be a MSM8250.
Sorry to bust your bubbles, but according to MSFT's WP7 device page, all phones are releasing with the QSD 8250:
Phones at a glance
I've seen a lot of conflicting information on a lot of the phones. I would like to know if the Samsung Focus will have 256 or 512 MB of RAM. If 256 then I am going with the HTC Surround. If 512, I may go with the focus.
ryotgz said:
I've seen a lot of conflicting information on a lot of the phones. I would like to know if the Samsung Focus will have 256 or 512 MB of RAM. If 256 then I am going with the HTC Surround. If 512, I may go with the focus.
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Take a look at the link I just posted. For the most part, that is all official and stands.
And a requirement set by MSFT is that all phones need to have at least 512 mb of ram.
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Take a look at the link I just posted. For the most part, that is all official and stands.
And a requirement set by MSFT is that all phones need to have at least 512 mb of ram.
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I saw the link and is what started the confusion. Do you have a link that confirms Microsoft says they must have 512MB of RAM? I saw a link earlier stating Microsoft says 256MB of RAM is required for HD video playback.
What the different between QSD8250 v/s MSM8250?
As I know QSD is 1st generation while MSM is 2nd generation using smaller semiconductor Technology which is 45nm than 1st generation which is 65nm.
Beside this, 1st generation using Adreno 200 GPU but 2nd generation using Adreno 205.
From spec, it seems MSM8250 better, at least it use newer GPU.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)
Since it's 45nm, it will consume much less power without any performance loss, and the new GPU should be much better.
nothing is named msm 8250 ,look at qualcomm website
1st generation (QSD 8250& 8650), second generation
(msm7x30 & msm8x55) http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html
all hTC phones are QSD8250.
Makes you wonder where Engadget and the HTC personel got the MSM series from. Because I would so get an HTC device instead if its true.
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I saw the link and is what started the confusion. Do you have a link that confirms Microsoft says they must have 512MB of RAM? I saw a link earlier stating Microsoft says 256MB of RAM is required for HD video playback.
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Just received an email from Samsung PR and it infact will have 512MB of RAM.
This might help
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=2636&id2=1783
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nothing is named msm 8250 ,look at qualcomm website
1st generation (QSD 8250& 8650), second generation
(msm7x30 & msm8x55) http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html
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Yeah- there is no such thing as an MSM8250, only QSD8250. Engadget is mixing up the name, likely because almost all other older and newer Qualcomm chips are MSMs (e.g. MSM72xx, MSM8255).
Sorry to burst your bubbles guys but the review and tech sites interchangebly quote both MSM and QSD, but they are actually the same chip. What is important is the code number, which they rarely get wrong.
Take a look at this. They have been calling it MSM8250 since the days of HTC HD2.
http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=msm8250&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Everything seems to reference the HTC Leo, aka HD2 as having the MSM8250. Remember the HD2 was the first snapdragon phone.
On qualcomm's page: http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html
1st Gen:
- QSD8250
- QSD8650
2nd Gen:
- MSM8255
- MSM8655
- MSM7230
- MSM7630
3rd Gen:
- MSM8260
- MSM8660
- QSD8672
There is no MSM8250, even tho it was quoted at many sites. My gut feeling is that its a QSD8250, because while sites do get the MSM and QSD wrong all the time, they rarely get the code number wrong, and when it comes to code number across gen, there is no repeat.
Besides that, from the naming of all the chips above, you do realise that for the 8 series, 1st gen is xx50, 2nd gen is xx55 and 3rd gen is xx60/72. It increases with gen.
So there you go. Its a first generation chipset. Now the only thing that can salvage it all is if the difference in proper driver support and non will actually be huge. Cross your fingers =D
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Makes you wonder where Engadget and the HTC personel got the MSM series from. Because I would so get an HTC device instead if its true.
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No they aren't, Desire HD and Desire Z are the newer msm chipsets.
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Hi.
Amobil.no a Norwegian mobile-newssite realesed a lot of the specs for the upcomming HTC tablet, HTC Flyer, yesterday.
I won't write the whole article, but here are the specs known today:
HTC Flyer
Form: Tablet
Technologies: HSPA - speeds up to 14,4 / 5,76 Mbps, DLNA
Camera: 1,3 megapixels secondary, 5 megapixels primary
Communication: Skype pre-installed video conferencing
CPU / Chipset: Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8255
Storage/Memory: 4 GB ROM, 1 GB RAM
Skjerm: 7 inches, 1025 x 600 pixels, capasitive screen with stylus
Connectors: HDMI
Memory card: Unknown (presumed Micro-SD)
OS / User interface: Android 2.3 Gingerbread, HTC Sense adapted for tablets
Because I'm new here I can't post links to the news article...But if anyone could do it for me it would be grate
Here's the link: http://www.amobil.no/artikler/full_specs_of_htc_flyer_revealed/80837
And a new source confirmes HTC Flyer: http://www.amobil.no/artikler/new_source_confirms_htc_flyer/80880
Wow this looks pretty nice. More specs on the device would be nice. But I'm all for HTC devices.
Someone know's something about the price?
Pricing info
roar109 said:
Someone know's something about the price?
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price info link "Amazon Germany has revealed a 670 Euro price point – that’s just over USD $900."
Very nice device!
Any comparisons with Xoom?
The Xoom ( for purity ) or this seem like the only ones I am interested in... all depends on price though.
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I like the tablet and inovation htc has put into the software and hardware but the battery life is only 4 hours of video playback compared to other tablets like galaxy tab which is also 7 inch which is 6 hours and the bigger xoom and a lot of others which are 8-10+. That has really let it down for me =[. My bet the problem is the the processer is a hungry one for battery not like Tegra 2 and other types.
I can used like mobile phone?
A Dutch webshop also added the flyer to there products for €699.
It's a reliable site, and they have a pretty good relation with HTC.
However there is some false (HDMI connection) and some premature (2.4 ice-cream) info so I wonder how accurate the price is.
Well the OS does look totally different. I know its sense but its completely different
http://www.htc.com/www/product/flyer/overview.html
Scroll down to 3d fun at every turn. Given the processor I am really not gonna complain about battery life
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A Dutch webshop also added the flyer to there products for €699.
It's a reliable site, and they have a pretty good relation with HTC.
However there is some false (HDMI connection) and some premature (2.4 ice-cream) info so I wonder how accurate the price is.
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It would also be VERY important for HTC to commit to Honeycomb otherwise, there is no way I would spend that amount of money on something that could be obsolete so fast...
If HTC tablet could have the sound quality of Cowon products, I would be all over this thing...
I thought HTC were joking when they said they're realising a tablet without Honeycomb. And that ugly sense. I mean it looks good on the phones, but on the tablets.
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I think it's smart. The XOOM won't ship with flash because it's not ready for Honeycomb. Also, Honeycomb isn't designed for stylus input.
The version of the OS is not as important as the features and the experience IMO. If the experience is right, then I am gonna have one!
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Yes, you can. It has Quad Band.
See: http://www.htc.com/www/product/flyer/specification.html
To follow up on the last post, does the Flyer do 3G on At&t? Thanks for the heads up on the voice option.
Does anyone think the price is a bit steep for a single core non-Honeycomb tablet as per previous postings?
I am looking to get a 7" tablet usable on At&t with 3g and voice in the next 3-4 months.
I ranked them as follows:
1. Acer A100
2. HTC Flyer
3. Viewpad 7.
What do you guys think?
footneek said:
To follow up on the last post, does the Flyer do 3G on At&t? Thanks for the heads up on the voice option.
Does anyone think the price is a bit steep for a single core non-Honeycomb tablet as per previous postings?
I am looking to get a 7" tablet usable on At&t with 3g and voice in the next 3-4 months.
I ranked them as follows:
1. Acer A100
2. HTC Flyer
3. Viewpad 7.
What do you guys think?
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Regarding 3G, i believe that will be there. But for AT&T that is another matter. The EU version will have it, but not sure what HTC is planning for AT&T 3G.
Regarding price, I have bought my devices from CLOVE; See: clove.co.uk/htc-flyer. Their price for HTC Flyer is GBP 466.
As far as final specs are concerned, I inquired from HTC about a HDMI output through the microusb and their response yesterday was.
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Dear g,
im afraid that we dont have any information on these devices yet, we are waiting for the devices to go to press before we can comment on them.
please keep checking the website for more information about these when we get it.
Sincerely,
Joseph
HTC
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I was a bit puzzeled by this response, as I was speaking with HTC not some marketer out in WoopWoop ! Go figure !
Final specs will be known soon.
I think there are a few other great tablets that will be out soon. Like the Motorola xoom. Some people are saying that the Flyer cpu 1.5Ghz although fast is not as good as the Tegra 2 chip......which many new tablets are incorporating and many are saying the same thing, although all agree that the os and software may not be up to speed to fully take advantage of the Tegra 2 chip, but still produces fabulous results.
But what I like about the HTC Flyer is two things. One is the forum here at xda-developers. There is nothing quite like it. Secondly, relating directly to the device is the stylus application. I have seen several good videos on youtube on its functionality and I really like it for the kind of things that I am involved in. So, it's a unique feature that no one else offers. I will personally find it very useful.
However I really like what some of the other tablet manufacturers are doing with having a full USB port on the device as well as a HDMI port.......that's cool.
globalgpj, thanks for the info. Like you, I don't usually buy a device unless it is supported by XDA with custom ROM. I currently have the G-Tab with the newest TNT Lite ROM. It is fast and I love it. Without voice or 3G, I have to bring my phone to tether which is a bummer. I'll wait until summer when all the devices hopefully will be announced or released. Thanks.
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Unfortunaltely it looks like this won't be possible.
I was looking for a replacement for my old X7510 - however without phone function - useless.
Dieter
can the htc flyer makes phone calls/ sms without internet . . sim card slot . .????
lookin forward to let go my hd2 for this flyer.
I'm sure the Evo 3d will be every bit as capable as the Tegra 2 devices. But nvidia has the developers courted in a big way. I'm not a huge gamer, but I do enjoy the 10 or so on my Evo 4g. I'd have to say games on the Evo 4g are underwhelming. So I'm excited about the 3d having the chops for some serious games. But now I'm afraid that the qualcomm processor means it simply won't get the cool games with so many developers committed to Tegra 2. And some of these Tegra 2 games look pretty sweet.
With the rumor of a Tegra 2 device on Sprint, I question if it would be worth waiting for. What do y'all thing? Will qualcomm get the gaming love from developers? Will these cool Tegra games be ported to other capable dual core devices?
Fragmentation...
I was just thinking about this earlier. WTF is nvidia thinking?
THAT is *actual* fragmentation that everyone is talking about. That's not a difference of a simple version number that can be upgraded....things for download in the market that WILL NOT WORK on 90% of all phones? That's terrible. That's selfish. That will. not. help.
Even if they own 90% of the market its still wrong. LEss obvious, but wrong just the same. I hope nvidia fails and goes out of business for that maneuver. There is nothing keeping the game from running on non tegra² GPU's....sure, it probably won't run great....that's fine....but to have it look for a vendorID string and say 'sorry' just cuz you bought the wrong brand? That's insulting. Go ahead, tear the android market in 2 pieces.
...I think they'll fail on that front. What scumbags. Take something that is a legitmate but fringe concern (fragmentation) and turn it into a legitmate and very very real (market leading?) issue.
I'm not a gamer, but, it will suck that there are games I can't play--at any performance level--cuz I'm not wearing the right brand sneakers...or whatever.
fnck nvidia. That's all marketing and branding, lets keep it a strictly performance based game with standards as the rules...
chainfire3d is an app that is currently allowing tegra zone on most 1ghz devices. I'm not worried about the Evo 3D getting games because we can run anything the tegra 2 devices can AND there are 3D games coming very soon (3DS ports).
I feel this tatic of terga exclusive games will either fail by the end of the year or most high end phones on the next generation will have a terga processor including whatever HTCs next line will be. Personally I'm skeptical that this will take off. They do seem to have a developer following and if I was more of a gamer I couldn't see buying a non terga phone. SO maybe I'm wrong.
@daneurysm
Exactly! Forget Froyo vs. GB. This is the fragmentation that really sucks for consumers.
@sprinttouch666
chainfire3d looks pretty sweet. hadn't seen that before. I won't even bother loading that on my Evo cause I'm sure it'll choke with a beefy game. But it looks like we'll have to be quick to get root and S-off for the 3d to see what this app can do for it. But 3ds ports may be quite a job since they'd have to code out the DS part. Not sure how many game devs would bother for 2 or 3 3d capable phones in the whole market.
Check your specs fellas, qualcomm's processors blow the Tegra 2 out of the water... Tegra has dual 1ghz synced cores, Qualcomm has dual 1.2ghz asynchronous cores. Qualcomm's chips also feature the Adreno GPU which is faster and more efficient than the Tegra 2's minimalist GPU. Do some Googling to confirm then rest assured, the EVO 3D IS the droid you're looking for *waves hand like Obi Wan*
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Check your specs fellas, qualcomm's processors blow the Tegra 2 out of the water... Tegra has dual 1ghz synced cores, Qualcomm has dual 1.2ghz asynchronous cores. Qualcomm's chips also feature the Adreno GPU which is faster and more efficient than the Tegra 2's minimalist GPU. Do some Googling to confirm then rest assured, the EVO 3D IS the droid you're looking for *waves hand like Obi Wan*
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So the EVO 3d's chip outperforms these Tegra chips? I thought they were only releasing it for the Tegra chips because they might have been more powerful. Good to know if this isn't the case.
Now what is in the GS2 as I saw a benchmark video and it blew the Sensation out of the water? I know those benchmarks aren't everyhing but will the SG2 be that much more powerful then the Evo 3d?
I think tegra2 is possibly the slowest of the dual core bunch. BUT when games are coded specifically for that chip, will it matter that qualcomm's chip is better? What good is all that power if all the high quality games only run on tegra?
And you can't blame devs for coding to the most popular chip out for android. That chip is in phones, tabs, and more
Don't forget to blame the developers too, nvidia drives a dump truck full of money to their front porch and says "make this game work only on tegra2 devices".
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Check your specs fellas, qualcomm's processors blow the Tegra 2 out of the water... Tegra has dual 1ghz synced cores, Qualcomm has dual 1.2ghz asynchronous cores. Qualcomm's chips also feature the Adreno GPU which is faster and more efficient than the Tegra 2's minimalist GPU. Do some Googling to confirm then rest assured, the EVO 3D IS the droid you're looking for *waves hand like Obi Wan*
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The EVO 3D isn't a droid.
fmedina2 said:
The EVO 3D isn't a droid.
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That's a matter of interpretation. Anything running android is considered a 'droid' phone by most people. Then there are a few purists that believe only the phones made by motorola with Droid in there name can be considered 'droid'.
Whatever.
SteelH said:
That's a matter of interpretation. Anything running android is considered a 'droid' phone by most people. Then there are a few purists that believe only the phones made by motorola with Droid in there name can be considered 'droid'.
Whatever.
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meh droid has always been a abbreviation for android, in all reality an android phone named droid is silly
I don't think I heard a single person refer to Android as "droid" prior to Verizon's marketing campaign...Droid is Verizon's branding, not Moto's or Samsung's or anyone else's...
I wouldn't be picky if it wasn't for the fact that "DROID" is so obvious on all Droid products. You definitely know if your phone is a droid and you definitely know if it isn't.
Benchmarks I've seen all put Exynos/Tegra/MSM8x60 slightly behind the new TI OMAP4. No matter what you choose it's going to be ridiculous. At the level these phones are at you cant go wrong.
Im pretty sure you'll still be able to play the games if you want to but they'll have a version special made for the tegra 2. It wouldn't surprise me if qualcomm started doing something similar but I'm not going to be buying a game that is nerfed even though my phone can handle it just fine.
Everybody's bringing up good (and funny) points, in the long run, once dual core processors are the norm, I think we'll see these "processor specific" games go the way of the dodo
dimebagdan65 said:
Everybody's bringing up good (and funny) points, in the long run, once dual core processors are the norm, I think we'll see these "processor specific" games go the way of the dodo
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It reminds me of 3D graphics cards in the late 90's. You had to get a game made for your 3Dfx card to get 3D...or whatever mfgr....but that was the state of the software at the time, we lacked a common API, directX/directdraw was a mere infant at the time and Direct3D was only in beta testing...progress in progress.
Now they are trying to intentionally revert to this horrible horrible situation in the name of branding. They want to enslave you to a market for just their processors and/or supported games.....but it's not an API problem, its a vendorID string problem--and that's just effed up.
So in conclusion we need google to make something like directx???
riptide looks AWESOMEEEE to bad I will not be buying a tegra phone..... all of them suck (atrix has pentile display and blur, optimus 2x has lots of problems, droid x2 same as atrix)
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So in conclusion we need google to make something like directx???
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No, the companies involved need to just not do this. There are already APIs to cover this.
Game developers are getting bribed, ahem, "courted" to support this chipset. The actual performance difference is likely negligible to keep it compatible all around. Even if it isn't negligible so long as it runs on everything android so be it--they just have a better graphics chip. Competition drives innovation.
But if they are just making it suck on non tegra2 devices by pulling the deviceID string, well, that's just disgusting.
scores87 said:
So in conclusion we need google to make something like directx???
riptide looks AWESOMEEEE to bad I will not be buying a tegra phone..... all of them suck (atrix has pentile display and blur, optimus 2x has lots of problems, droid x2 same as atrix)
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I think it's more a matter of the chip makers purposely trying to fragment, when programming it's always faster to write native code then use APIs (as talking directly to the hardware instead of going through android) but different chip makers are using different commands and incorporating their own customized features directly into the chips.
I would be surprised if google doesn't put their foot down and stop this sooner or later.
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I have searched everywhere to find exactly what Qualcomm processor is actually inside the flyer because I am confused for three good reasons...
1, even in the official HTC Flyer spec it just states 1.5Ghz processor (no chip number)
2, most reviews I've seen are just copying what they have seen in other reviews stating a 'single-core' Qualcomm Snapdragon processor but this then leads me to item 3.....
3, Qualcomm only make single-core Snapdragon processors to a max speed of 1.4Ghz, the only 1.5Ghz units are the MSM8260 and the MSM8660 which are both dual-core asynchronous CPU's which are more power efficient than a synchronous Tegra2 that cannot shut down the second core when not used.
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Ref: http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/specs
Any one explain this?
ARM v7 rev.2 (v7l)
HTC flyer has an overclocked 8255 at 1.5 GHZ. which is a second generation snapdragon with adreno 205 CPU. It is found in the HTc Desire HD aka HTC inspire, tmobile g2, and some more.
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While I welcome your posts guys, please follow my example and post an actual, FACTUAL reference to your comments to show where your information came from, HTC preferable as they sell the darn things, not some dudes blog.
Dont want UK newspaper type gossip stuff.
Anyone got any photos of the actual chip in the Flyer?
It would not suprise me if the print had been physically removed....
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Even found this, a full open of the Flyer...
http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/cracking-open-the-htc-flyer/6256123
But still no sign of a CPU, only one unknown chip hidden by screening.
Strange....
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Even found this, a full open of the Flyer...
http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/cracking-open-the-htc-flyer/6256123
But still no sign of a CPU, only one unknown chip hidden by screening.
Strange....
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Interesting... Well the breakdown is there for you to follow. Report back when you figure out what's under the metal shielding. . Maybe its the Samsung chip?
The article criicizes the tablet for a smartphone design... Which I disagree with. My thoughts are the device doesn't have the 10" space to NOT stack components on top of each other. And why reinvent the wheel? When youhave successful phones, why not bank on your expertise?
Anyway back to the subject, I'm pretty happy with the device. Not too concerned about what's under the covers, because quite frankly it performs well with the overclocked snapdragon... The device's pen integration and more "openess" of Android is what retired my iPad.
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While I welcome your posts guys, please follow my example and post an actual, FACTUAL reference to your comments to show where your information came from, HTC preferable as they sell the darn things, not some dudes blog.
Dont want UK newspaper type gossip stuff.
Anyone got any photos of the actual chip in the Flyer?
It would not suprise me if the print had been physically removed....
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Why your welcome Mr. Rude. Mine came from info off my tab itself. If you want more open yours up and find out for yourself.
T120ted said:
Why your welcome Mr. Rude. Mine came from info off my tab itself. If you want more open yours up and find out for yourself.
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Never seen a Snapdragon processor that quotes an ARM architecture type on its surface!
And childish name calling is not in the spirit of this forum....
All I'm trying to determine here is whether HTC may be using one core of a dual-core chip that may improve Honeycomb.
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Never seen a Snapdragon processor that quotes an ARM architecture type on its surface!
And childish name calling is not in the spirit of this forum....
All I'm trying to determine here is whether HTC may be using one core of a dual-core chip that may improve Honeycomb.
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Preety sure it is single core. If it was dual core they would certainly advertise it as such as a selling point.
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Never seen a Snapdragon processor that quotes an ARM architecture type on its surface!
And childish name calling is not in the spirit of this forum....
All I'm trying to determine here is whether HTC may be using one core of a dual-core chip that may improve Honeycomb.
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It makes no sense for HTC to disable one core of a dual core chip.
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It makes no sense for HTC to disable one core of a dual core chip.
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Unless for some reason they could not get Google certification on Gingerbread unless they did!
This is pure speculation but, what if HTC designed the Flyer to originally use an MSM8260 or 8660 as the Puccini is going to use with Honeycomb, found out that they could not get Sense integrated into Honeycomb in time for distribution, THEN found out that Google would not certify it for Gingerbread unless it was a single-core system?
It just seems strange that they will have (if and when we get HC) two tablets out within a year, both with HC, one 7" one 10" but with different processors.
If if if... for someone who wants hard facts your head sure is in the clouds.
I'd prefer to have a dual core, but my flyer is flying fast enough for me to be happy.
So is it a single or dual???? I'm confused...LOL...
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trucaliber said:
If if if... for someone who wants hard facts your head sure is in the clouds.
I'd prefer to have a dual core, but my flyer is flying fast enough for me to be happy.
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So long as everyone identifies fact and speculation, there is no problem is there?
Yes, I would prefer a dual-core myself if we have an update to HC coming.
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So is it a single or dual???? I'm confused...LOL...
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Yep, me too!! That's the whole point of this thread.
The chip was made by Qualcomm. I'm not trying to rain on your parade or be rude. Thinking it is a Sammy chip is a little out there. At the time this was developed Sammy was to busy laying in bed with Apple making chips for their eyepads. If it were a dual core chip let's just say for the fun of it, this would be some hell of a dual core to be clocked at 1.5ghz before the second core gets activated. Not even gonna happen. There's not enough of any kind of heatsink inside this thing to keep that kinda heat down on a regular basis. Just my two cents but heh, everyone has to have some kinda pipe dream. This single core blows the doors off all the duals out there. I'm happy as it is.
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This is pure speculation but, what if HTC designed the Flyer to originally use an MSM8260 or 8660 as the Puccini is going to use with Honeycomb, found out that they could not get Sense integrated into Honeycomb in time for distribution, THEN found out that Google would not certify it for Gingerbread unless it was a single-core system?
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Why wouldn't google certify it? There are plenty of dual core phones with gingerbread..
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joshnichols189 said:
Why wouldn't google certify it? There are plenty of dual core phones with gingerbread..
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Not sure myself but I know it's not a phone and it could be (maybe HTC didn't want to reduce their phone sales, to the chagrin of most of us) so that may change things.... It was only speculation.
Although Archos had the same certification problem with their Gen8 units because they left out phone, GPS and rear camera.
Honeycomb however is specifically targeted at tablets, so Google will certify without phone function leading me to think the Flyer was really designed for that in mind but they never got it skinned in time for release.
T120ted said:
The chip was made by Qualcomm. I'm not trying to rain on your parade or be rude. Thinking it is a Sammy chip is a little out there. At the time this was developed Sammy was to busy laying in bed with Apple making chips for their eyepads. If it were a dual core chip let's just say for the fun of it, this would be some hell of a dual core to be clocked at 1.5ghz before the second core gets activated. Not even gonna happen. There's not enough of any kind of heatsink inside this thing to keep that kinda heat down on a regular basis. Just my two cents but heh, everyone has to have some kinda pipe dream. This single core blows the doors off all the duals out there. I'm happy as it is.
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You are perhaps thinking of standard PC type CPU's not mobile ones.
The new low-power 45nM dual-core Snapdragons ARE asynchronous ( each core has independent clock and voltage supplies) , are 1.5GHZ, and don't need large heatsinks....
Ref: http://www.qualcomm.com/documents/snapdragon-msm8x60-apq8060-product-brief
And yes, I'm also happy with the Flyer as it is, it's overall performance and UI is better than anything else I've tried.
But, as you say, it may be a pipe dream. But (here we go again, sorry) what would owners do at this moment if HTC had announced a dual-core Flyer only using one core? They wouldn't be very happy would they...
And what will people say when suddenly we get Honeycomb with dual-core? They wouldn't complain then...
Yep, I am probably dreaming but wouldn't it be nice if they pull that rabbit out of the hat.
According to Qualcomm it is an MSM8x55. You can find more info here at the same link you posted in the OP:
http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/specs
Scroll down about halfway where it talks about High Performance Smartphones and Tablets and it mentions the Flyer near the bottom of the section.
As the title says, it seems like Nokia WP7 phones will be powered by a different manifacturer in the near future, while the other WP7 OEMs will stick with Qualcomm. Personally I don't see the point. Why would they want to change? I can't be happy with that, and I'm kinda worried: will this lead to fragmentation? Share your thoughts, but only if you REALLY care: no trolls allowed. Thanks.
Source: http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...vices-l/&category=classic&icid=eng_latest_art
This will cause as much fragmentation as AMD vs Intel as CPU in the PC-world, i e basically none at all. This is one of the main reason why we have OS's, to abstract hardware from software.
In many ways different Qualcomm generations are more different than a ST-ericsson and a Qualcomm of the same generation.
Of course the WP7-kernel must add support for ST-ericsson, but that is the same work as is needed for a new Qualcomm-SOC as well. And this is a pretty easy work for MS/Nokia since ST-ericsson will likely provide the basis for the drivers.
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This will cause as much fragmentation as AMD vs Intel as CPU in the PC-world, i e basically none at all. This is one of the main reason why we have OS's, to abstract hardware from software.
In many ways different Qualcomm generations are more different than a ST-ericsson and a Qualcomm of the same generation.
Of course the WP7-kernel must add support for ST-ericsson, but that is the same work as is needed for a new Qualcomm-SOC as well. And this is a pretty easy work for MS/Nokia since ST-ericsson will likely provide the basis for the drivers.
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pretty much sums it up nicely
Basically most of these processors are based on ARM's architecture. In another word they're very similar
Also, from what I understand, this is just for low-end phones. ST ericson is providing the tango-friendly chips so windows phone can hit the low-end market as well.
Good to know then, i feel much better now heh...thanks for pointing that out.
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Also, from what I understand, this is just for low-end phones. ST ericson is providing the tango-friendly chips so windows phone can hit the low-end market as well.
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That has been rumored, but looking back at the Nokia ST-Ericsson partnership that started back in 2008 when Symbian was supposed to get U8500 (was pretty much made for the platform) i would be very surprised if Nokia doesn't use U8500 and maybe U9500 in the future.
ST-Ericsson says on it's press release that is sees huge opportunity for it's NovaThor platform(U5500, U8500, U9500), all quite serious SoC's.
We are pleased to have been selected by Nokia as a key partner for Windows smartphones, in line with our goal to be present in all segments and major operating systems,” said Gilles Delfassy, president and CEO of ST-Ericsson. “Our NovaThor platforms continue to gain traction as they enable customers to bring great smartphones to the market.
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http://www.stericsson.com/press_releases/st-ericsson_nokia.jsp
Nokia does not love Qualcomm...
(would have been a link to a Nokia / Qualcomm legal settlement here)
-> nytimes.com/2008/07/24/technology/24qualcomm.html
They had to swallow a lot to join the WP train...
GGPlena said:
Nokia does not love Qualcomm...
(would have been a link to a Nokia / Qualcomm legal settlement here)
-> nytimes.com/2008/07/24/technology/24qualcomm.html
They had to swallow a lot to join the WP train...
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To be fair, MS has sued HTC and Samsung before...
Sucessfully.
jeremyshaw said:
To be fair, MS has sued HTC and Samsung before...
Sucessfully.
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This is true its all a big game and you cant hold grudges. One day your partner the next your at each other sometimes at the same time. The worst case though is Apple Google who used to have a cosy relationship and are now fighting like an old couple. Its all about whats best for now forget old ties and bad blood the game moves to fast for grudges.
Any and All,
I recently purchased an Android Note II at a market. I knew the phone was from "overseas". The box shows 5.5" QHD, Quad Core CPU 1gig ram etc.
Later after using the phone I noticed that it was not working as expected. Using some play store apps, the hardware reads dual core cpu 512megs of ram. The chipset is the MTK6577.
Is it possible I got a phone with incorrect firmware for the model or did I get ripped off? The MTK6577 seems to be popular and used in many phones. Could someone have mistakenly flashed a MTK6589 with the MTK6577 and have a result of a working but half as powerful phone?
Is there a way to tell with absolute certainty what my phone is? The IMEI Numbers are correct and shows MODEL S7100.
Thanks very much in advance. I know I am probably grasping but if you don't ask...
jason
you got tricked on this market. you can never be sure to get what you was buying, all those boxes are printed with wrong informations. surely you got a mt6577 no mt6589, sorry. to gain iformations of your device, make a screenshot of your -> settings -> about device tab and post it here.
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The IMEI Numbers are correct and shows MODEL S7100.
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Verify your IMEI and you will know what phone it is. Read this
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jason.smith771 said:
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I recently purchased an Android Note II at a market. I knew the phone was from "overseas". The box shows 5.5" QHD, Quad Core CPU 1gig ram etc.
Later after using the phone I noticed that it was not working as expected. Using some play store apps, the hardware reads dual core cpu 512megs of ram. The chipset is the MTK6577...
jason
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There are many of these "overseas" versions of the Samsung Note II look-alikes. They come in various configurations, CPUs in the MTK65xx series, 1 GB or 512 MB RAM, and so on.
If you bought it from an on-line seller and it is not as described, you could complain and return / get refund, or compensated for the shortcomings.
But if you bought it from a brick-and-mortar shop, then you should return it and get an exchange or refund. I'm sure there are ways to seek legal recourse through the consumer protection organizations.
the IMEI's of chinese devices are not what they meant to be. for example, my device shows IMEI of motorola Razr if i check it online.