Is there any ways to speed up Flash 10.1? - Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Just like the title stated. I am using Obsidian V3 and the Flash 10.1 is great. However, it only works well with certain websites and for sites with higher quality streams like Vimeo, the video runs at a lower frame rate thus shutters. Is there anyways to improve the rendering speed?
I remember at one point Team Whiskey experimented with overclocking the GPU, (Flash hardware support is from the GPU), would this benefit flash rendering? Or is CPU still the more important factor?

I have seen lagging flash not only in vibrant but in other newer devices. I hope adobe will optimize it for android. I almost stopped using flash. So much for getting excited for froyo.
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rakeshchn said:
I have seen lagging flash not only in vibrant but in other newer devices. I hope adobe will optimize it for android. I almost stopped using flash. So much for getting excited for froyo.
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It's not that bad, I have watch several TV shows on the phone and for the most part it is very smooth. It is when you hit a higher than normal quality site (Vimeo was my example), you see the phone slows down.
To be honest optimization isn't coming any time soon. If there's a way for Adobe to fight back against Apple's claim that Flash is a power hog, they probably would already took the easy way out.
Also, there are other benefits in Froyo than Flash, browser speed increase is > than 50%. That alone should be worth getting excited about.

All I am saying bring the quality HTML5 content, Flash is outdated

Use skyfire, it's better playing flash videos than the stock browser.

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All I am saying bring the quality HTML5 content, Flash is outdated
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Flag isn't out dated yet, getting there but not yet. There is still stuff flash can do html5 can't, and flash behaves the same in all environments, html5 still has browser issues...and always will as long as IE exists. Or at least until IE gets smart and goes webkit. Flash is still as close to cross platform native code as it gets for a web developer.
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Flag isn't out dated yet, getting there but not yet. There is still stuff flash can do html5 can't, and flash behaves the same in all environments, html5 still has browser issues...and always will as long as IE exists. Or at least until IE gets smart and goes webkit. Flash is still as close to cross platform native code as it gets for a web developer.
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Not only that but interactive content with html5 is very very limited at the moment, because many browser does not support it. Flash is here to stay for awhile, there's no doubt about that.
Plus, the fact that browser vendors Mozilla, IE, Chrome, and Safari almost each have its different take on which codec should be used to standardize the <video> tag for html5. It will take a while just for this to play out.

Kcarpenter said:
Flag isn't out dated yet, getting there but not yet. There is still stuff flash can do html5 can't, and flash behaves the same in all environments, html5 still has browser issues...and always will as long as IE exists. Or at least until IE gets smart and goes webkit. Flash is still as close to cross platform native code as it gets for a web developer.
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Not only that but interactive content with html5 is very very limited at the moment, because many browser does not support it. Flash is here to stay for awhile, there's no doubt about that.
Plus, the fact that browser vendors Mozilla, IE, Chrome, and Safari almost each have its different take on which codec should be used to standardize the <video> tag for html5. It will take a while just for this to play out.
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I agree with both of you. I was a bit optimistic on HTML5 comment I've made.
With time as the standard, well becomes the standard, we should see HTML5 push for more content. The idea is good.
And who the heck is using Internet Exploiter nowadays ?

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I agree with both of you. I was a bit optimistic on HTML5 comment I've made.
With time as the standard, well becomes the standard, we should see HTML5 push for more content. The idea is good.
And who the heck is using Internet Exploiter nowadays ?
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I haven't use it personally, but apparently IE9 (Beta) is very nicely designed. It is also the first browser to have hardware support from the GPU.

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Running Farmville @ Decent Speed

I am currently using the Evo 3D. I am curious why the default Android browser has so much trouble running Farmville at a decent speed and what the problem is related to. I was thinking that it might have something to do with a lack of hardware acceleration, but I was certain that it is now enabled on this device. Could someone help me?
I think the problem is..... you play Farmville
have you tried other browsers?
Try opera browser maybe. I think it has hardware acceleration
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Farmville has horrible coding and barely runs on some computers. Expecting it to run perfect on a cell phone is asking a bit much.
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Yeah, but if you want to look at it from a Android VS Apple equation, consider that iPhones run it through a buggy app, where we are closer to the original experience from our flash enabled browsers alone. Understanding this is a good first step to making optimization for Android from the developers irrelevant.
I have tried the default browser, which is the one that I have found comes closest, but is seconds slow behind user input. The Opera browser has problems related to its use of flash, and the game window will not even appear. I mainly use the Dolphin HD browser. Even when trying to force a desktop view, the screen says that the page is unable to be formatted for my device.
I have considered that is is a poorly coded game, and if so, there is indeed very little we can do about it. Thanks for the tip.
I thought I saw an app for Farmville once? Perhaps it was pulled or just a "clone" - I don't play Farmville, so I didn't pay attention...but have you looked for an actual app that ties into your account?
No. There is a similar game released in the Android market, but Zynga themselves have said for over a year that they were working on an app for us.
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No. There is a similar game released in the Android market, but Zynga themselves have said for over a year that they were working on an app for us.
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Kind of reminds me of netflix and hulu taking a year +
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why do videos on web pages load faster on ipad2 than my overclocked TFP?

I got better BrowserMark and Sunspider benchmarks on my TFP running the latest Virtuous ROM at 1.6 ghz than my wife's ipad2. I'm happy with just about everything on my TFP except videos on web pages. When it comes to loading and starting video clips, ipad2 smokes my TFP. For example, click on any videos at cnn.com website. Ipad2 loads and plays them much more quickly. I went to Best Buy and played with the Acer, Toshiba, Samsung tablets. They are all like my TFP. I wonder what Apple did to make ipad2 so fast in this department. Guys, don't tell me "Get an iPad2". I'm an Android guy. I'm curious why and how. Can Android one day match it, i.e. if it's not just hardware?
I'd suggest that the Android tablets are all playing Flash streams, whereas the iPad is playing H264 streams specifically optimised for it (as it doesn't play Flash).
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I'd suggest that the Android tablets are all playing Flash streams, whereas the iPad is playing H264 streams specifically optimised for it (as it doesn't play Flash).
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Yes, this. A better test would be to go to sites with only Flash video, and see which is faster...........
wynand32 said:
Yes, this. A better test would be to go to sites with only Flash video, and see which is faster...........
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aren't these threads getting redundant? its a never ending battle..lol
demandarin said:
aren't these threads getting redundant? its a never ending battle..lol
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Very much so...
it's magic from the Foxconn factories. See, Foxconn bought the land not knowing it was laden with magical properties.
These magical properties are passed on to the iDevices, making them magically faster at rendering h264 than the TP can render flv streams.
@demandarin, wynand32: you knew why already? you couldn't just say why but took the time to say "redundant"? Thanks for nothing.
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@demandarin, wynand32: you knew why already? you couldn't just say why but took the time to say "redundant"? Thanks for nothing.
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fair enough. one possible reason is because when you go to the site on the Ipad, it goes to the html5 version, which Ipad optimized for. when you go to same site on prime, its different and uses flash instead. Ipad doesn't play flash video so it automatically plays any html5 videos.
that's the reason. when you go to the same site on both devices, they aren't loading up the exact same thing. different versions of the same site.
it could depend on what browser you using on prime. IMO, stock browser sucks. Fastest one is Opera mobile and I've found it to play flash videos the best and fastest also.
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@demandarin, wynand32: you knew why already? you couldn't just say why but took the time to say "redundant"? Thanks for nothing.
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@foxmeister already answered why. Those sites are optimized for the iPad, whereas the Prime is running Flash video. As to whether Android will ever catch up, sure, when all sites are converted to HTML5 for video. Until then, we have to be satisfied with a wider variety of video (more sites still support Flash video than are optimized for the iPad) but lesser performance in some cases.
I suppose it's just frustrating to see so many iPad - Prime comparisons that I knee-jerked a reaction. My apologies.
Change your UA string to iPad and try again....
Know what? Lot of these browsers let you choose the user agent: have you tried, say, Boat Browser set to iPad?
Just wondering, I haven't played with it much and it seems to like to crash with a lot of videos, but it's worth a try to play around and when it does actually work it feels pretty good.
Uninstall flash
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Because you're comparing apples to oranges. Don't like it? Buy an iPad2 already and get off our forums.
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Because you're comparing apples to oranges. Don't like it? Buy an iPad2 already and get off our forums.
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You don't even know what comparing apples to oranges means. I'm comparing the same video running on the same website. How's that comparing apples and oranges? "Our forums"? Really? You can't even read. Xda members are not dumb and unhelpful like you.
On CNN, if you access it with TFP (with User Agent set to Desktop or Android) and Windows 7, you get their video in Flash; with iPad, I'm guessing it's something else, probably H264/HTML5 like a couple of members said, which starts significantly faster, about 20-30 secs faster than the TFP on a side-by-side, and still faster than my wired Intel i5 1.6Ghz 4G RAM Windows 7 HP Folio notebook. CNN obviously has optimized a version of the site for iPad. But damn, it's really fast.
It's a similar situation on CNET. Flash for TFP and Windows 7, something else for ipad. The site's video starts faster for ipad but not as that much as on CNN. I guess not as optimized as CNN for iPad.
When I set User Agent to iPad on both ICS Browser+ and Dolphin HD. Video on CNN starts a little faster but still nowhere at the speed of iPad. I guess I will user iPad mode for the User Agent setting.
On sites, like Engadget, that has YouTube videos, videos start at about the same speed with iPad a tad faster. But when it comes to strict Flash video, I don't have to say it, but iPad is out of luck.
Another thing is iPad's robustness. My TFP has rebooted 3 times during my little tests while iPad is playing the vidoes merrily, going back and forth full screen to windowed screen. Don't tell me you don't want videos to start fast and be robust. I love Android for its enormous possibilities and choices so I can live with a few crashes, some lagginess here and there. I do want to have eventually a complete fast, smooth, and robust experience. I know there'll be a lot of people saying I'm wasting my time. But I think Google, Android developers should hear this more often, get competitive guys.
I use Dolphin religiously and Desktop user agent w/o AdBlock is going to get you pretty awful performance on any Android tablet.
Android user agent is most definitely the best way to go. Tried using Netflix's website on iPad ua and it was completely unusable. Couldn't even look at movie summary pages.

[Q] Will jelly bean get Adobe Flash support

Will jelly bean get adobe flash support?
Thats a good question, i too would like to know. Im guessing ics versions will probably work, but i could be wrong.
Adobe said they were stopping flash for mobiles....so I doubt it.
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cronus101 said:
Adobe said they were stopping flash for mobiles....so I doubt it.
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That's what I read on my news feed a week or so ago too. I wonder what we will do without flash???
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PrincessZara said:
That's what I read on my news feed a week or so ago too. I wonder what we will do without flash???
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HTML5
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HTML5
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html 5 is good enough but at the moment it can only play videos on youtube or daily motion etc but there are 10000 of sites which cant play video without flash plugin. i also use to watch online movies so what about that websites without flash?? how they will manage? and btw why google is adopting apple's like policy not to use flash!! ?? flash player is one of the major software which the end users of android enjoys alot!!
also there are many websites which requires flash for online games. i wonder what is going to happen?
btw why google is not adopting apple's like policy not to use flash!! ??
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Apple cares more about 'user experience' than legacy support.
Additionally HTML5 sucks big time at a lot of things because there is no real standard (only lots and lots of contradicting drafts and implementations) so it's the IE-nightmare all over for web designers.
I'm sure someone will figure how to port ICS-version to Jellybean, or at least to the AOSP/CM9 ROM's since it would be possible to implement compatibility to legacy versions.
Flash-support is one of the main selling points for Android tablets over iPads with normal users so I don't see the manufacturers dropping it lightly. They might adopt Chrome's approach of maintaining Flash support themselves.
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Apple cares more about 'user experience' than legacy support.
Additionally HTML5 sucks big time at a lot of things because there is no real standard (only lots and lots of contradicting drafts and implementations) so it's the IE-nightmare all over for web designers.
I'm sure someone will figure how to port ICS-version to Jellybean, or at least to the AOSP/CM9 ROM's since it would be possible to implement compatibility to legacy versions.
Flash-support is one of the main selling points for Android tablets over iPads with normal users so I don't see the manufacturers dropping it lightly. They might adopt Chrome's approach of maintaining Flash support themselves.
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yea thats the main point. flash should not be removed at any cost. and i think google wants to improve speed and performance in its upcoming versions just to run butterly smooth its buggy android !! so he is trying to remove flash. in this way he will also be independent from adobe.
Why wouldn't flash work? Is there a reason why it'll be incompatible with 4.1. Adobe just said it'll stop bringing new releases to mobile. The current one should work fine.
They said they were going to provide ONE update for ICS, but I have seen multiple updates since ICS was released... I think they will continue through the whole 4.X.X versions
Project Butter is making enough changes to my knowledge, that it could very truly break Flash quite easily. In such ways that we may actually have to choose: better surfing experience or flash experience.
Look for Flash in Play Store... You will see Adobe saying that "Flash Player will not be supported on any Android version above 4.0.X" So there goes 4.1....
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Why blame Google? Last I checked it wasn't Google that owned flash and last I read (just Google it) Adobe said THEY (not google) were moving away from the mobile market because it wasn't cost effective and took to much time. So go cry to Adobe. Not here... Unless you want to try and code a flash plugin yourself. ;-)
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It will not come to Chrome, as Chrome will be standard browser for JB and does not support flash. Maybe Samsung will keep the Stock browser who knows.
It is a weird one. I noticed that for instance the video on the BBC websites does not work in Android Chrome. This is despite them saying it is HTML5.
I'm assuming that is a user agent thing, if it thinks you are browsing the site from an iPhone/iPad it gives you HTML5, but it if detects Android it directs you to flash.
Anyone know if this is right, and if so how you get Chrome to look at the HTML5 versions of BBC embeded video?
Er, yes they do!
I'm watching the tennis on the BBC website
if google left flash and html 5 were not up equvialent standard to flash i m gonna pee on android's green robot !!and will move to iphone 5. atleast apple has excellent hardware with stable software too. and the battrey lasts long too. flash for me is a customer retaining tool to android.
Google spent some dollars for adobe flash or u will surely be in loss!
I find it weird how Chrome is now the only browser that actively supports Flash in Linux, yet it's only popular android browser that doesn't support. I'm hoping they'll add support for it.
pruhster said:
I find it weird how Chrome is now the only browser that actively supports Flash in Linux, yet it's only popular android browser that doesn't support. I'm hoping they'll add support for it.
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Anyone tried firefox on 4.1?
stunno said:
Er, yes they do!
I'm watching the tennis on the BBC website
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Really? On Android Chrome? No videos *at all* on the BBC work for me in Android chrome just gives me a plugin message.
Maybe I have a fault then. Did you do anything to set the BBC to play videos in HTML5?
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Any1 tried Naked Browser yet on your SGPs yet? Its a really fast and very lightweight browser. Almost a Dolphin Browser replacement.
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Yeah, I just tried it. Very smooth and fast. Just needs a better ui.
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I like the UI. The dev said that he would rather have a fast, fully functional browser then making it look good. I uninstalled Dolphin and using this for now on. It rates a 95/100 on the Acid3 test which is really good. I forgot what Dolphin got but to score that high all for a fast and lightweight browser, im impressed.
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Yeah, I just tried it. Very smooth and fast. Just needs a better ui.
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Agreed, very ugly
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Agreed, very ugly
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Well, all what I can say is that it is a very lightweight browser that loads pages pretty fast. Just throwing that out there.
I'd stick with Dolphin since UI kinda matters.. And well.. Dolphin is the best!
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I'd stick with Dolphin since UI kinda matters.. And well.. Dolphin is the best!
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Depends for what..i found maxthon browser the best for GB but opera is still far the best in mobile rendering of pages (when you read something text is always filling the screen)
Like i use chrome on nexus 7 but text is always to small and if i zoom i want see all text and on opera i zoom and no matter how much i zoom text reformats for reading so i find opera best browser for reading.
And for speed AOSP browser is fastest (but only awailable for cm9 and cm10 and derivates) and this naked browser is also very fast.
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I always go back to Dolphin Mini. I've tried a dozen others and they don't quite match.
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Careful, Dolphin, Maxthon, Boat, and many other browsers out there spy on you, wasting battery power, bandwidth, and CPU in the process. I made Naked Browser in response to these privacy violations. You can check it out here in the Google Play Store.
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Careful, Dolphin, Maxthon, Boat, and many other browsers out there spy on you, wasting battery power, bandwidth, and CPU in the process. I made Naked Browser in response to these privacy violations. You can check it out here in the Google Play Store.
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You have done great work. The concept is well founded. It was fast browser, but the interface made my eyes hurt. Soften the look and add tabs on top and I will am sold. On the other hand, privacy can always be a good idea, but the tracking done is mostly to enhance the experience. This is why Google results are still most likely to be correct for the user. If you are not doing anything wrong while browsing, then what is the worry?
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james59802 said:
You have done great work. The concept is well founded. It was fast browser, but the interface made my eyes hurt. Soften the look and add tabs on top and I will am sold. On the other hand, privacy can always be a good idea, but the tracking done is mostly to enhance the experience. This is why Google results are still most likely to be correct for the user. If you are not doing anything wrong while browsing, then what is the worry?
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Thank you very much.
If you can explain what exactly was hurting your eyes, I can fix it. Naked Browser has been out for less than 2 months and I am working on it daily. What do you mean by "soften the look"? Please provide mockup screenshots if possible.
Tabs on the bottom is on my list for the paid "pro" version.
I disagree that the tracking done by Dolphin, Boat, Ninesky, Miren, and most of the Android browsers out there is meant to enhance your experience. "Enhanced experience" is what these rats are telling you and certainly what we'd like to believe, but it's obviously not the truth. Read Dolphin's privacy policy. They don't care about their users. The reason they ask for the "Phone state & identity" privilege isn't for your enhanced experience. It's to tie the data that they collect to your real world identity. Read the thread that I linked previously. They're sending your data to China, and beyond. They're selling you out, all these browser makers.
Spying wastes your battery power, bandwidth, and CPU cycles. But if you don't care about all of that and you don't care about your own privacy...what's the point?
You mention Google collecting data. They do BUT they are a large, established, public company that has a strong incentive to treat your data properly. Also, a browser maker is in a unique position to know basically everything you do on line. Google, Facebook, etc. can't pull this off just by you visiting their sites.
This message is for everyone who uses spying browsers made by incompetent people. You don't have to use Naked Browser but you shouldn't be using all the other crap out there.

Nexus 10 vs iPad For Web Browsing

The Web is still full of sites which use Flash which is why Adobe are still supporting Flash on Windows laptops and desktops for the forseeable future.
On Android there is excellant desktop support for Flash using premium browsers such as Dolphin, Skyfire, Boat etc. which provide the same Web experience on the Nexus 10 as using a Windows laptop or desktop.
However, because Apple does not support Flash then the iPad will never be able to use the Web as well as the Nexus 10 or a Windows laptop or desktop no matter how many apps there are to compensate.
Erm...okay?
so what's the question... xD
This. If only Flash was dying, but it isn't. Half the web is Flash, and if you want streaming, an OS that supports it is a must.
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This. If only Flash was dying, but it isn't. Half the web is Flash, and if you want streaming, an OS that supports it is a must.
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Not exactly a question lol. Are you trying to state that the Nexus 10 is better for browsing because it can support Flash?
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Not exactly a question lol. Are you trying to state that the Nexus 10 is better for browsing because it can support Flash?
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Sould I state my opinion with question marks? Hell, why not?
Which devices gives you the more complete browsing experience, the one that can display all pages and content, or the one that cannot?
You do know that browsers like skyfire and puffin are available for the iPad as well and support flash pretty well right?
Neither will do it out of the box.Both do it with 3rd party apps.
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You do know that browsers like skyfire and puffin are available for the iPad as well and support flash pretty well right?
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Yeah but Adobe had longer support for Android, so I'd imagine flash content is more stable even post-ICS.
Apple has 3rd party apps that support flash as well.
I would typically not be using flash in day to day Web browsing, and don't have my primary browser set to support flash.
Both tablets are pretty good for Web browsing. The n10 loads pages very quickly. I prefer the aspect ratio of the n10 for Web browsing compared to the iPad.
I don't care about flash
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Who cares if the iPad can't run Flash. Flash is being deprecated all over the web. I don't have any special love for Apple but you can credit the iPad's lack of Flash for most of the video sites offering HTML5 instead.
I haven't bothered to install Flash on my Nexus 10. Not missing it at all.
What gives you the most complete web experiance ? The the new surface rt lol. What is the point of this post it is pointless and only brings up android vs apple.
Some one please close this thread its people like this that give android a bad name.
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Can anyone confirm this for me as I have not got a ICS or later device (yet).
If a website has a menu structure where the user hovers the mouse to get the menu to pop up on desktop, if the root of the menu had a link in android you could never get into the menu structure because whenever you press to bring up the menu it actually redirects you to the page, whereas in iOS it does not do that and will bring up the menu.
That is one disadvantage I have with Android, if there is a fix that I am not aware of then yea inform me
Ok aside from flash, my big concern after owning a tf300 is just over all expereince..the tf300 was slow...tried every browser and it just wasn't as responsive. i know that most people blamed the I/O on the TF300.
At work we just got a shipment of Ipad 4's and just messing with them and surfing the web it is very fast and fluid. Can i expect the same from nexus 10? I konw the Chrome browser is not the best, but maybe using Dolphin or boat?
I have only seen a couple of youtube video's testing this
Thanks
cdrshm
cdrshm said:
Ok aside from flash, my big concern after owning a tf300 is just over all expereince..the tf300 was slow...tried every browser and it just wasn't as responsive. i know that most people blamed the I/O on the TF300.
At work we just got a shipment of Ipad 4's and just messing with them and surfing the web it is very fast and fluid. Can i expect the same from nexus 10? I konw the Chrome browser is not the best, but maybe using Dolphin or boat?
I have only seen a couple of youtube video's testing this
Thanks
cdrshm
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With Ocean Browser the Nexus 10 is as smooth as the iPad 4. With Dolphin + JetPack is also comes close but it has a few wonky glitches that hold it back.
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With Ocean Browser the Nexus 10 is as smooth as the iPad 4. With Dolphin + JetPack is also comes close but it has a few wonky glitches that hold it back.
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Thats good news, thanks for the info!
digitalrelic said:
With Ocean Browser the Nexus 10 is as smooth as the iPad 4. With Dolphin + JetPack is also comes close but it has a few wonky glitches that hold it back.
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I tried to get a video demonstration on Ocean Browser but I couldn't find any. Not many comments on it either, that's one rare stuff, any review of it around?
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I tried to get a video demonstration on Ocean Browser but I couldn't find any. Not many comments on it either, that's one rare stuff, any review of it around?
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No luck here either, would love to see one
drcujo said:
Apple has 3rd party apps that support flash as well.
I would typically not be using flash in day to day Web browsing, and don't have my primary browser set to support flash.
Both tablets are pretty good for Web browsing. The n10 loads pages very quickly. I prefer the aspect ratio of the n10 for Web browsing compared to the iPad.
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Good 2 know, thx

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