Well my first post.
So I am new to this whole concept. Rooted and flashed to Ginger Tax 2 days ago. Thanks to all your excellent posts and guidance. It made this easy and pain free.
So my general question is why so many roms? Is one better than the other?
Collin
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Some of the ROMS have different addons/themes. The GB roms are still fairly new, but they are starting to have some variation (for example blackened tazz). They will probably vary even more as time goes on. The different developers' modifications appeal to different people. There are actually a few different versions there is 2.1 with sense. several 2.2. a few 2.2 with sense that issues are being worked on. and several GB. as far as which one is better or which one will work better for you, the only way is to try a few and pick what works.
csleverette said:
Well my first post.
So I am new to this whole concept. Rooted and flashed to Ginger Tax 2 days ago. Thanks to all your excellent posts and guidance. It made this easy and pain free.
So my general question is why so many roms? Is one better than the other?
Collin
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It is more about personal preference than it is about which ROM is "better". Just as their are many linux distros, there are different flavors of Android. Some come with Sense UI, others are stock. Many have different customizations/hack/apps/features. Just try a few out and see what you like.
Well its as simple as: Our phones could still be stuck with no root and the OEM os. But thanks to all our talented and awesome devs we have the ability to flash any os we want. 2.1, 2.2, 2.3. Possibly even 3.0 in the near future. I believe there is even a throw back 1.5 rolling around still. Its all these versions and flavors that let us the end users have the ability to choose a performance and styling package if you will for our devices.
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So last week I jumped into this exciting world.
So I played with TASS and Shed roms. All was well.
Decided to do all the backups etc., formatted my sdcard, got the recent releases.
Things don't seem as snappy anymore. Frequent lags, some fc's and then today I couldn't unlock my screen.
Any thought on what I might have done?
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My only guess is to wipe the Dalvik cache, as well as see if any apps you are running could be dragging down the memory.
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csleverette said:
So last week I jumped into this exciting world.
So I played with TASS and Shed roms. All was well.
Decided to do all the backups etc., formatted my sdcard, got the recent releases.
Things don't seem as snappy anymore. Frequent lags, some fc's and then today I couldn't unlock my screen.
Any thought on what I might have done?
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the kid escobar said:
My only guess is to wipe the Dalvik cache, as well as see if any apps you are running could be dragging down the memory.
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Just to cross every T, you did a full data wipe before flashing, too, right? Did you flash Google Apps (GAPPs) immediately after flashing the ROM? As escobar mentioned, have you looked to see how much memory you have left? Did you flash Cache2Cache after flashing GAPPs, which will increase your memory by a noticeable bit?
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Just to cross every T, you did a full data wipe before flashing, too, right? Did you flash Google Apps (GAPPs) immediately after flashing the ROM? As escobar mentioned, have you looked to see how much memory you have left? Did you flash Cache2Cache after flashing GAPPs, which will increase your memory by a noticeable bit?
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As an engineer, I like crossing every T so no worries.
I followed the basic steps from the instructions with the ROM in the following order:
1. Wipe Date/Factory
2. Wipe Dalvik 3 times.
3. Flash Rom
4. Flash gapps
5. Flash Cache2Cache
6. Reboot and configure
This morning after reading your post, I checked memory and its currently at ~ 50 / 190 ... sometimes a little less sometimes a little more.
csleverette said:
So last week I jumped into this exciting world.
So I played with TASS and Shed roms. All was well.
Decided to do all the backups etc., formatted my sdcard, got the recent releases.
Things don't seem as snappy anymore. Frequent lags, some fc's and then today I couldn't unlock my screen.
Any thought on what I might have done?
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I also was experiencing this lag and FC's on the Gingerbread ROMs. I wiped everything before I flashed (even the memory card, I have a couple of them and this was the stock 8gb that came with the phone) My experience with the Gingerbread ROMs have been slower for me. I went back to my nandroid of XtrSense after using Gingerbread (which I used each Gingerbread ROM for a week) and I felt like my phone was the fastest it has ever been. It was so smooth and everything was just quick. I recommend trying the XtrSense 5.0.1 ROM. See if that is any better. I flash all the ROMs to try them out, but XtrSense is my everyday ROM.
csleverette said:
Well my first post.
So I am new to this whole concept. Rooted and flashed to Ginger Tax 2 days ago. Thanks to all your excellent posts and guidance. It made this easy and pain free.
So my general question is why so many roms? Is one better than the other?
Collin
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For me it is just fun to look at all of the little difference the devs on here create, some interesting, some not. But fun either way.
dpiddy14 said:
I also was experiencing this lag and FC's on the Gingerbread ROMs. I wiped everything before I flashed (even the memory card, I have a couple of them and this was the stock 8gb that came with the phone) My experience with the Gingerbread ROMs have been slower for me. I went back to my nandroid of XtrSense after using Gingerbread (which I used each Gingerbread ROM for a week) and I felt like my phone was the fastest it has ever been. It was so smooth and everything was just quick. I recommend trying the XtrSense 5.0.1 ROM. See if that is any better. I flash all the ROMs to try them out, but XtrSense is my everyday ROM.
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Thanks for the suggestions. I have read many posts about the quality of the Xtr roms.
I tend to think what is going on is a me issue somehow. Something I missed or maybe with what I did with reformatting my sdcard. Right after I rooted and flashed last week, both worked awesomely.
Its only after this weekend's effort at cleaning everything up from my year and half on my stock Eris did things start acting up.
Well so far I think I fixed my problems.
Fresh wipe and format of sdcard with a single fat 32 partition.
Flash rom, flash gapps, no cache2cache this time.
Pretty much smooth as silk.
Now I wonder if going back and doing cache2cache will be ok like I was reading in the GSB post?
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Well so far I think I fixed my problems.
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Well except that is for this lock screen of death which I haven't figured out how to come back from without battery removal.
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I am new to this site, but hope to root and flash both my Inc. and wife's Eris. So the wife has an Eris and it is starting to screw up. When we got the phones I told her it would never be a Ferrari. Two days ago all the icons disappeared and the phone is so slow. She has threatened me with going out and getting an Iphone. My you know what puckered at the mention of that. This brings me to my question. I would like suggestions on a Rom that has sense and is reasonably peppy. Because this is the wife's phone I do not have the luxury of doing trial and error with different Roms. I am just looking for something that is similar to stock but actually works. I take it that I can find all of the instructions for rooting and flashing in the general section. Your feedback is greatly appreciated, my wallet thanks you too!
tech4petro said:
I am new to this site, but hope to root and flash both my Inc. and wife's Eris. So the wife has an Eris and it is starting to screw up. When we got the phones I told it would never be a Ferrari. Two days ago all the icons disappeared and the phone is so slow. She has threatened me with going out and getting an Iphone. My you know what puckered at the mention of that. This brings me to my question. I would like suggestions on a Rom that has sense and is reasonably peppy. Because this is the wife's phone I do not have the luxury of doing trial and error with different Roms. I am just looking for something that is similar to stock but actually works. I take it that I can find all of the instructions for rooting and flashing in the general section. Your feedback is greatly appreciated, my wallet thanks you too!
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xtrSENSE 5.0.1 - there is no comparison! This is by far the best 2.1 ROM out there.
Is there any sense in putting a Froyo Rom on her phone?
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tech4petro said:
Is there any sense in putting a Froyo Rom on her phone?
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Froyo ROMs are easily customizable, and there are several options for that in the Themes and Apps forum. Froyo has other improvements - for some, however, the seamless integration of Sense features keeps them with 2.1 instead of upgrading to 2.2 or 2.3. You may want to ask her what she looks for in a phone, and use this priority list to determine which ROM to load (e.g. battery life, speed, looks and customization, stability, etc.)
There are several great Froyo options - I'd recommend FroShedYo. And for Gingerbread, I'd recommend GSB (GingerShedBread).
She texts and does e-mail. What she wants most is speed and battery life. Do any of the roms have problems running regular apps (angry birds, weatherbug,yahoo mail) etc.?
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tech4petro said:
She texts and does e-mail. What she wants most is speed and battery life. Do any of the roms have problems running regular apps (angry birds, weatherbug,yahoo mail) etc.?
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ROM problems with running regular apps seems to be user-specific and not general to a ROM or group of ROMs (i.e. Eclair, Froyo, GB).
For speed and battery life I'd choose either GSB or xtrSENSE. That's just my two cents! You can see from browsing the threads that everyone has their favorites. I've been pleased with the support from the developers of both GSB and xtrSENSE. As I've played with ROMs on my phone I've pulled my wife along (sometimes unwillingly). She's staying with GSB and I'm staying with xtrSENSE.
Happy hunting!
What are the differences between the two?
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chlila said:
ROM problems with running regular apps seems to be user-specific and not general to a ROM or group of ROMs (i.e. Eclair, Froyo, GB).
For speed and battery life I'd choose either GSB or xtrSENSE. That's just my two cents! You can see from browsing the threads that everyone has their favorites. I've been pleased with the support from the developers of both GSB and xtrSENSE. As I've played with ROMs on my phone I've pulled my wife along (sometimes unwillingly). She's staying with GSB and I'm staying with xtrSENSE.
Happy hunting!
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tech4petro said:
What are the differences between the two?
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First, I +1 xtrSENSE. It just works, and works extremely well.
Second, the difference is that xtrSENSE is very much based on the most recent March OTA official release, which is based on Android 2.1 (Eclair). zach.xtr has customized it so that it overclocks, underclocks, has more internal memory for apps, and more.
All those features are available to Froyo (2.2) and Gingerbread (2.3) ROMs except that they are usually based on CyanogenMod, either v6 which is Froyo-based or v7 which is Gingerbread-based. While CyanogenMod is great, and includes all sorts of bells and whistles beyond even the improvements of Froyo and Gingerbread alone, there is no Sense UI like on the stock-based ROMs like xtrSENSE.
Sense has some features not available to other ROMs for the Eris. Like Flash Lite, which doesn't matter to me, but it does to some. You might get an idea if you read the top of the first post of the xtrSENSE ROM thread of what else is special about Sense.
CM7 (CyanogenMod v7) isn't final yet, so it's still a work in progress and has bugs or "quirks" plus features being added and de-bugged and changed. I don't mind, and a lot of people don't, because I/we (if I may speak for some others) flash every new update; usually at least one per week if not more often.
That said, CM7 has developed very fast, much faster than it seemed like CM6 did. I assume because they were able to take a lot of what they learned from CM6 and apply it to CM7. I suspect that Gingerbread was less of a drastic change from Froyo than Froyo was from Eclair.
But for flashing someone else's phone who's going to have to rely on it day by day, I'd recommend xtrSENSE.
roirraW "edor" ehT said:
First, I +1 xtrSENSE. It just works, and works extremely well.
Second, the difference is that xtrSENSE is very much based on the most recent March OTA official release, which is based on Android 2.1 (Eclair). zach.xtr has customized it so that it overclocks, underclocks, has more internal memory for apps, and more.
All those features are available to Froyo (2.2) and Gingerbread (2.3) ROMs except that they are usually based on CyanogenMod, either v6 which is Froyo-based or v7 which is Gingerbread-based. While CyanogenMod is great, and includes all sorts of bells and whistles beyond even the improvements of Froyo and Gingerbread alone, there is no Sense UI like on the stock-based ROMs like xtrSENSE.
Sense has some features not available to other ROMs for the Eris. Like Flash Lite, which doesn't matter to me, but it does to some. You might get an idea if you read the top of the first post of the xtrSENSE ROM thread of what else is special about Sense.
CM7 (CyanogenMod v7) isn't final yet, so it's still a work in progress and has bugs or "quirks" plus features being added and de-bugged and changed. I don't mind, and a lot of people don't, because I/we (if I may speak for some others) flash every new update; usually at least one per week if not more often.
That said, CM7 has developed very fast, much faster than it seemed like CM6 did. I assume because they were able to take a lot of what they learned from CM6 and apply it to CM7. I suspect that Gingerbread was less of a drastic change from Froyo than Froyo was from Eclair.
But for flashing someone else's phone who's going to have to rely on it day by day, I'd recommend xtrSENSE.
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I pretty much agree although I haven't tried xtrSENCE.
I will say this though, and it will be my signature,
(as soon as I figure out how to get it there)
"gsb bringing new meaning to EOL> Extraordinary Operational Longevity"
JRngln said:
I pretty much agree although I haven't tried xtrSENCE.
I will say this though, and it will be my signature,
(as soon as I figure out how to get it there)
"gsb bringing new meaning to EOL> Extraordinary Operational Longevity"
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^ hehehehe...nice!
I used XTRSENSE for a little bit but it wasn't exactly what I was looking for in a rom. That being said, it is extremely reliable and familiar to those who are used to sense. Just be sure to download the Eris Market Fix apk. from the market after flashing the rom, or your wife may have problems with YouTube etc...
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the kid escobar said:
I used XTRSENSE for a little bit but it wasn't exactly what I was looking for in a rom. That being said, it is extremely reliable and familiar to those who are used to sense. Just be sure to download the Eris Market Fix apk. from the market after flashing the rom, or your wife may have problems with YouTube etc...
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I have never had to do that with xtrSENSE or xtrROM.
Wow
Thanks for the great info. I think I will try xtrsense. Hopefully I won't brick her phone.
Tim
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tech4petro said:
Wow
Thanks for the great info. I think I will try xtrsense. Hopefully I won't brick her phone.
Tim
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Good luck!
Now call me ignorant, but I don't really know what these have advantages over others like froyo roms (UKB 2.1) I flashed MIUIWIZ last night and am absolutely loving it but I'm curious to know the pros and cons to each. Can anybody help?
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MR H3LLMAN said:
Now call me ignorant, but I don't really know what these have advantages over others like froyo roms (UKB 2.1) I flashed MIUIWIZ last night and am absolutely loving it but I'm curious to know the pros and cons to each. Can anybody help?
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Well first of all, CM7 and MIUI are AOSP roms. Everything else for the fascinate up to date is based on TouchWiz. TouchWiz is samsung's way of giving us all the shaft. It's samsung's GARBAGE proprietary code. AOSP (android open source project) is pure Google android code. TouchWiz is completely inferior to AOSP in performance, smoothness, speed, battery life, customization etc. etc. The ONLY thing TW has over AOSP is complete functionality. But, even that is about to change once jt1134 or navenedrob get mms working on AOSP. AOSP is simply a better and frankly more enjoyable user experience. But, I give credit to TSM for making TW bearable with their awesome roms and builds.
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In my experience with ComRom2.1 vs the latest cm7, you get better battery life with cm7 and Netflix works. Both are fast and, frankly, I was getting pretty good battery life with ComRom (but not as good as cm7). Even though cm7 is getting more polished, sound still doesn't come out of the Samsung car dock, volume through rear-speaker and ear-speaker is low, and picture messaging doesn't work.
Don't forget that CM7 is also based off of 2.3 gingerbread so you have all of the 2.3 bonuses.
From what I have learned in reading, flashing, testing, and using is that TW is not the mass murderer that many people make it out to be. If you are a developer you will absolutely hate it for many reasons I don't care to understand.
CM7 in its current form (as many have stated) is not complete though the large CM7 gorilla in the room has been exchanged for a small small monkey. MMS is about all that doesn't function correctly which, depending on who you talk to, is not a big deal. Personally I have people mms my email and it works the exact same.
GPS, call volume, and sensors where the CM7 deal breaker for me but with patients we have seen them all disappear. In a few weeks it will be in its early beta stages without a doubt.
So the short version
TouchWiz = Samsungs *****
AOSP = Nobodies *****
Thanks everyone for your input! This has been very helpful. I think I'm going to try out CM7 right now and post my feedback ITT as well. Thanks again for the great breakdown everyone!
*edit* Also, I know this must have been asked a thousand times, but can someone link me to a walkthrough of how to install CM7?
MR H3LLMAN said:
Thanks everyone for your input! This has been very helpful. I think I'm going to try out CM7 right now and post my feedback ITT as well. Thanks again for the great breakdown everyone!
*edit* Also, I know this must have been asked a thousand times, but can someone link me to a walkthrough of how to install CM7?
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Installing cm7 is the normal routine. Go to jt1134's cm7 thread, at the bottom of his post he has attached the proper cwm to use. Install one of those, wipe data/cache/dalvik and then flash the rom. The phone will automatically reboot after flashing it. Once it boots up, boot back into recovery and flash gapps and then reboot. Enjoy!
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Installing cm7 is the normal routine. Go to jt1134's cm7 thread, at the bottom of his post he has attached the proper cwm to use. Install one of those, wipe data/cache/dalvik and then flash the rom. The phone will automatically reboot after flashing it. Once it boots up, boot back into recovery and flash gapps and then reboot. Enjoy!
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Thank you sir! Currently running CM7 and loving it.
With the i717 ICS leak yesterday, I figured someone would have already posted this question.
I am on the fence on if I should apply it on my stock phone. Is it faster/smoother/stable?
If you have the AT&T leak from yesterday, if you wouldn't mind sharing your opinion on your device. I read someone was going back to GB and was trying to figure out why you would do that at all.
its not a terrible release at all. its mostly stable. there are some quirks in it but nothing earth shattering. if you have a stock note then id say go with ics.
i myself am planning on going back to GB. i want to wait until theres more development with ICS before i reflash again. i miss saurom.
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With the i717 ICS leak yesterday, I figured someone would have already posted this question.
I am on the fence on if I should apply it on my stock phone. Is it faster/smoother/stable?
If you have the AT&T leak from yesterday, if you wouldn't mind sharing your opinion on your device. I read someone was going back to GB and was trying to figure out why you would do that at all.
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I'm using the leaked stock ICS leak & it's awesome. I did have to remove all the AT&T bloatware with TiBU or settings > apps to un-install. I get a little lag when trying to scroll fast in settings > apps & in TiBu but besides that, it has been very stable for me. The only issue I had was with VVM but figured it out with the help of a forum poster.
You could always use DAG (creator of Saurom) modified stock ICS leak version. I'm using this as a daily driver & left GB behind in the past.
Its fun but...
Some apps keep crashing...right now I can't get google play to even load
Edit-Fixed problem by restoring backed up version of play store....just switched from iOS and still learning to problem solve I guess.
Thanks all.
So it appears to be pretty good if you treat it like a fresh install and not an upgrade. My gut tells me that the over the air update from AT&T is going to likely be the same for all intents and purposes.
So I did it yesterday and found out that you have no choice BUT to wipe the phone clean. I didn't know applying the update would annihilate everything. Oh well...it's cool and most things are in the cloud (with the exception of saved games).
SPtheALIEN said:
So I did it yesterday and found out that you have no choice BUT to wipe the phone clean. I didn't know applying the update would annihilate everything. Oh well...it's cool and most things are in the cloud (with the exception of saved games).
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I did a total wipe, but all of my pics were still there when the dust settled. I find this odd because when I returned my first Note to AT&T the Factory Data Reset didn't wipe them either.
But, I am not going back to GingerBread until the official ICS is released.
Any bell/telus notes on ics yet? If so hows it workin??!
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I did a total wipe, but all of my pics were still there when the dust settled. I find this odd because when I returned my first Note to AT&T the Factory Data Reset didn't wipe them either.
But, I am not going back to GingerBread until the official ICS is released.
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Why would you go back to Gingerbread?
Also, yeah--I noticed that it doesn't touch the SD card at all (so all my documents and pictures were still on the SD card when my phone was running GB). This time around, I just backed up the contents of the SD card onto the external one.
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Why would you go back to Gingerbread?
Also, yeah--I noticed that it doesn't touch the SD card at all (so all my documents and pictures were still on the SD card when my phone was running GB). This time around, I just backed up the contents of the SD card onto the external one.
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I would go back to GingBread to get the official AT&T Rom via OTA. Unless I happen to find a Rom that offers a truer ICS experience.
Note To Self
truer ICS?
You mean with no Touch Wiz? I wouldn't mind that either, but I have to say Touch Wiz is WAY better on ICS than it is on GB.
CreekDirt said:
I would go back to GingBread to get the official AT&T Rom via OTA. Unless I happen to find a Rom that offers a truer ICS experience.
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Yeah, I would like as close to stock ICS as possible. I don't mind touchwiz at all really.
DAGr8's rom is super smooth for me.
Been using Apex Launcher and I like the look and options paired up with ICS but the launcher lag when returning to the home screen after a few minutes is annoying.
I'm liking it a lot. GB worked fine, but I prefer the ICS interface, it's a lot cleaner.
As some have mentioned, using 3rd party launchers have created a little lag, but if you go that route, a minor minor delay shouldn't stop you from using the launcher.
having said that, this is an alpha build. the bugs are surprisingly minimal and that makes me happy. can't wait for overclocking
i want to be able to drag an app on to an app to make a folder. can't do that on TW even though it is a feature of ICS...
in the facebook app you have to press an hold the + for a solid second or two before it will give you the option to like a post. not sure if this is FB on ICS or ICS on the Note or what.
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i want to be able to drag an app on to an app to make a folder. can't do that on TW even though it is a feature of ICS...
in the facebook app you have to press an hold the + for a solid second or two before it will give you the option to like a post. not sure if this is FB on ICS or ICS on the Note or what.
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You can using Nova launcher
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Installed ICS from RootWiki this morning
I think the leaked version from RootWiki is pretty much stable and Im going to stay with it. There are some lags and weird things that happen from time to time but I can live with it. my main worry was that I would not have 4G. Well after hours of figuring out why I kept getting errors when flashing the radio i finally got it and now i have 4G. so this will be my daily driver. Now its time to experiment. cheers.
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I think the leaked version from RootWiki is pretty much stable and Im going to stay with it. There are some lags and weird things that happen from time to time but I can live with it. my main worry was that I would not have 4G. Well after hours of figuring out why I kept getting errors when flashing the radio i finally got it and now i have 4G. so this will be my daily driver. Now its time to experiment. cheers.
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Some lag is an understatement, i had a lot of lag, regardless of the many ways i wiped/flash. Various launcher did not help and i find them inferior to TW... but to each is own. I ended up flash stock GB again
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I used saurom with the ICS style theme, and while I was able to over clock it and get everything looking perfect.. this stock ICS runs smoother than the overclocked GB rom.
I'm very pleased and won't be going back. Hopefully a pure ICS rom comes soon enough, but until then I'm happy with this ICS leak.
Also, apex launcher is awesome!
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First of all I would like to apologize if you have heard these questions a thousand times before, but I have done a fair amount of reading and haven't gotten enough concrete answers to be confident enough to continue.
I just got up the courage to root my Fascinate after over a year of having it by following droidstyle's excellent guide. It was very painless and worked first shot, so no worries there. Now I'm at the point of what to do next... I have already frozen the bloatware and looked into some 'root-friendly' apps but I'm not sure where to go from here. I think I've decided I want to get the most out of this thing as I'm not due for an upgrade for (what seems like) a long time. I'm under the impression that installing a good ICS rom is the way to go but I just have a few noob questions before I continue.
1) From what I have been reading Glitched AOKP ICS is the best rom to use currently on the Fascinate, correct? Also quick question, regarding the link to download it... is the current version the build 34 one or the milestone 5 one at the top?
2) Rooting my phone initially didn't erase any of my apps or data. What will installing an ICS rom erase, if anything? I will make backups of course, but I'm just wondering what to expect. Will the 'bloatware' apps still be there or will installing ICS install new system apps?
3) What market apps should I consider 'must haves' to tweak stuff? I already bought setcpu but haven't invested in anything else yet.
4) I plan to follow section 4 of droidstyle's guide but need clarification... even though I have rooted stock 2.3, I should still follow all steps right?
Thank you for listening to my noob questions and thanks to anyone who can offer advice. I have been building and working on computers for years but this cell phone hacking stuff is all new to me (obviously).
Crawshayi said:
First of all I would like to apologize if you have heard these questions a thousand times before, but I have done a fair amount of reading and haven't gotten enough concrete answers to be confident enough to continue.
I just got up the courage to root my Fascinate after over a year of having it by following droidstyle's excellent guide. It was very painless and worked first shot, so no worries there. Now I'm at the point of what to do next... I have already frozen the bloatware and looked into some 'root-friendly' apps but I'm not sure where to go from here. I think I've decided I want to get the most out of this thing as I'm not due for an upgrade for (what seems like) a long time. I'm under the impression that installing a good ICS rom is the way to go but I just have a few noob questions before I continue.
1) From what I have been reading Glitched AOKP ICS is the best rom to use currently on the Fascinate, correct? Also quick question, regarding the link to download it... is the current version the build 34 one or the milestone 5 one at the top?
2) Rooting my phone initially didn't erase any of my apps or data. What will installing an ICS rom erase, if anything? I will make backups of course, but I'm just wondering what to expect. Will the 'bloatware' apps still be there or will installing ICS install new system apps?
3) What market apps should I consider 'must haves' to tweak stuff? I already bought setcpu but haven't invested in anything else yet.
4) I plan to follow section 4 of droidstyle's guide but need clarification... even though I have rooted stock 2.3, I should still follow all steps right?
Thank you for listening to my noob questions and thanks to anyone who can offer advice. I have been building and working on computers for years but this cell phone hacking stuff is all new to me (obviously).
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1) M5 is newest. Get glitched build off of the exynos server.
2) Complete wipe. A desktop equivalent would be formatting your hard drive with Windows Vista installed and doing a fresh install of windows 7.
Backup all data and contacts locally or on the cloud. Do NOT use Verizon to backup your contact data. Use Google or a local backup instead.
No bloatware will be present since custom roms do not come from the carrier.
3) NSTools. Maybe Root Explorer or wi-fi tether for google
4) Just follow the guide. Rooting doesn't have much to do with recovery and intalling ics and such.
Not to knock ICS, because I love AOKP, but you could also consider working your way there over time. I had a lot of fun playing with different Touchwiz ROMs like SC3 and TSM Res. You may even find one along the way that you want to stick with for a while. At the very least, you'll learn to get where a complete data wipe doesn't even slow you down.
There's so much good stuff still available for this phone. My phone is sheer perfections right now, but I still have plans to try out GeeWiz and MIUI.
Everyone knows the current destination is Glitched AOKP, but the fun is in the journey.
I agree. I would download everything rom,kernel, and app you can find for the phone between here and rootzwiki, just in case links go dead. Tsm res and awesome sauce are two very good roms that I had a ton of fun with. They are more forgiving to the new user as far as making mistakes goes. Couple of things to know before you continue are that you can use the three finger method to get into recovery on touchwiz roms but not the ics roms(must enter recovery through power off menu). You also cant just flash back and forth from touchwiz roms and cm7 or ics roms, as you have to follow certain steps
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Well I was planning on jumping right into ICS as it looks amazing and I don't think I want to wait... however I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of trying different roms later on down the road. Is it going to be a pain to go backwards from ICS, or just flash like usual? Also, to those that have tried most of the 'good' roms, what would you consider your top 3 non-ICS?
Also on the subject of backing up my apps... I have been using Mybackup as it seems the most simplistic to use and reliable. Will my apps be exactly as they were when I backed them up (after switching to ICS) or is it just better to re-download what I need and configure them again?
I hate to spam some more questions but I figure since I already am... just a few more...
I haven't really messed with Setcpu that much, but is it bad to have it at 100/1000 or should I keep the max lower than that? And last one... what's the best wifi tether to use so Verizon won't send their goons after me? Is the USB tether from clockwork mod any good?
Thanks to all of you for your input. I think I'll be attempting to flash to ICS tomorrow night and hopefully all goes well.
You can go from touchwiz roms to isc roms by flashing but you need to do a lot more using the computer to go backwards. It will make more sense once you have a better understanding. Use titanium backup to backup your apps. If you really dont have any then just redownload them. If you are on the touchwiz roms you can use setcpu, but for ics roms you are going to be using an app called nstools or from control (built into settings section of rom). Again, more of this will make sense later down the road that is why I figured it would be better to start on a from like tsm Res or awesome sauslce
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Well I'm still on the fence here on what to do. I really want to run ICS but with all the little glitches I've read about I think maybe I'll try some of the better GB roms first... I think TSM Res looks top for me with the features, but I might try more than just 1. I've heard not to restore data backups when going ICS... does this apply to GB roms as well? Should I also switch the radio or is what I have the same as the GB one? Thanks
Crawshayi said:
Well I'm still on the fence here on what to do. I really want to run ICS but with all the little glitches I've read about I think maybe I'll try some of the better GB roms first... I think TSM Res looks top for me with the features, but I might try more than just 1. I've heard not to restore data backups when going ICS... does this apply to GB roms as well? Should I also switch the radio or is what I have the same as the GB one? Thanks
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AOKP milestone 5. You WILL thank me for it. Make sure its Steve's glitchy (the kernel of course) build.
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AOKP milestone 5. You WILL thank me for it. Make sure its Steve's glitchy (the kernel of course) build.
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You don't like the one they just released a few days ago?
Crawshayi said:
You don't like the one they just released a few days ago?
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That is a nightly and has a minor bug where apps on SD card force close. No biggie for more experienced users who know its a nightly and can deal. Nightlies are bleeding edge releases and as such can contain a bug or two. Milestones are stable releases to be used as a reliable daily driver if one is needed (some do). I recommend the m5 release since it is a milestone and you are new to this. I also want to see you have the best experience possible.
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I'm in a similar spot. I put CM7 on my wife's phone a while ago, but she has downloaded so much crap on it it's running like garbage and crashing.
Does the AOKP M5 have any bugs I should be aware of? As long as it's working well and everything is working (WiFi, Camera, MMS, etc), she'll be fine with it as a daily driver.
Two other questions I have.
Where can I get the correct glitchy Kernel?
Do I just need to download the ROM and kernel, wipe data/cache, then flash the ROM then kernel, then gapps (in that order) in Clockwork Recovery? Anything else?
She really likes the ICS stuff I've been showing her on my Rezound, especially the speech to text typing.
Thanks for your feedback.
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Added Information:
Just to make sure my i's are dotted and my t's are crossed--
Build for Verizon Fascinate:
http://forum.aokp.co/page/releases/_/milestone-5-r20
fascinatemtd Samsung Fascinate
Glitch Kernel:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459475
Are those right?
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Should I update radios as well? (Assuming yes since going to AOKP from CM7). Which ones should I do? Again, is this a simple flash in CWR? What's the install sequence?
Thanks.
EtherBoo said:
I'm in a similar spot. I put CM7 on my wife's phone a while ago, but she has downloaded so much crap on it it's running like garbage and crashing.
Does the AOKP M5 have any bugs I should be aware of? As long as it's working well and everything is working (WiFi, Camera, MMS, etc), she'll be fine with it as a daily driver.
Two other questions I have.
Where can I get the correct glitchy Kernel?
Do I just need to download the ROM and kernel, wipe data/cache, then flash the ROM then kernel, then gapps (in that order) in Clockwork Recovery? Anything else?
She really likes the ICS stuff I've been showing her on my Rezound, especially the speech to text typing.
Thanks for your feedback.
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Added Information:
Just to make sure my i's are dotted and my t's are crossed--
Build for Verizon Fascinate:
http://forum.aokp.co/page/releases/_/milestone-5-r20
fascinatemtd Samsung Fascinate
Glitch Kernel:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459475
Are those right?
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Should I update radios as well? (Assuming yes since going to AOKP from CM7). Which ones should I do? Again, is this a simple flash in CWR? What's the install sequence?
Thanks.
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Get the Milestone 5 Glitched build found HERE
It includes the Glitch kernel, so no need to flash separately, and also has a few extra cherry picks thrown in. This is a Milestone build, so no real bugs, should run smooth as silk.
I'm not sure of the recommended radio for fascinate on ICS.
jbreakfield said:
Get the Milestone 5 Glitched build found HERE
It includes the Glitch kernel, so no need to flash separately, and also has a few extra cherry picks thrown in. This is a Milestone build, so no real bugs, should run smooth as silk.
I'm not sure of the recommended radio for fascinate on ICS.
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Might sound like a cheesy question, but what radios are you running?
Thanks for your help.
jbreakfield said:
Get the Milestone 5 Glitched build found HERE
It includes the Glitch kernel, so no need to flash separately, and also has a few extra cherry picks thrown in. This is a Milestone build, so no real bugs, should run smooth as silk.
I'm not sure of the recommended radio for fascinate on ICS.
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QFT.
Get the Glitched build as it has fixes, extra available RAM, and much more not available in the AOKP official build.
Wifi, cam, and MMS all work fine. I can't honestly think of anything not working off the top of my head. NovaLauncher (Regular is free, Prime is $4 and well worth it for gestures) is recommended at this point since Apex has gotten a little slow.
Radio is recommended to be EH03 though I think ec09 and anything newer than eh03 work fine. I am running EH03 and no complaints.
I think I remember reading something about torch not working in ICS... is that the type of app that turns on the LED? Believe it or not I use that a lot and it would be a pain if it didn't work when I switch.
Also, is there any way to check what radio you're currently using before flashing? Tried looking that up but couldn't find it
Ah yes...torch doesn't work but you can use the tiny flashlight app to turn on the flash and achieve the same functionality.
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Ah yes...torch doesn't work but you can use the tiny flashlight app to turn on the flash and achieve the same functionality.
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The Tiny Flashlight + LED app? That's actually what I'm using now and if that works then I'm all set... I thought when people said 'torch' they just meant any app that turns on the LED
I flashed and ran into 1 problem. I had to flash Team Hacksungs Build 2 ROM first. Flashing glitched put me in an endless boot. Then I couldn't boot to recovery. I really was flipping out.
I had to Odin a new recovery in, wipe, then flash Team Hacksungs Build 2 ROM. For some reason, it booted into AOKP (?) then. I went back to recovery, wiped, reflashed AOKP and got it working.
I haven't searched yet, but anyone know where I can change the boot screen? It's really not a "wife friendly" boot screen.
As I understand it, torch refers to the built in flashlight feature in aokp called torch. Tiny flashlight plus the widget give similar functionality.
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please, somebody please help me get a useable phone again. I'm not sure if it's how I'm flashing, the roms I'm using, or if it's just what I have to deal with. things have sucked ever since the first jb Rom I've tried.
I've had the awful non-responsive home button issue across all roms. constant random reboots, and fcs constantly. messaging, email, system ui.. everything. battery barely gets me through work. a phone should not work like this, and this stuff didn't used to happen with ics.
I'm using twrp2 and I've tried many cm10 releases, PA, liquid smooth. some work well for a few hours, none of them have been good.
please help if you can.
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Jellybean or ICS?
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I've run several very good, stable ROMs. ICS: BlackStarVII, VIII, IX and X.
JB: Eclipse 2.0 and currently running CM10 Stable.
All of these run flawlessly for me. I flashed all with CMW.
There are plenty of stable roms out there. BlackStarX Is very stable. It is stock with the ability to tweak and customize. you would need to give more details of how your installing
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For the home button issue, if you flash one of the "alternate" kernel's, it fix's the home button issue (or at least, it did for me).
As for a rom, I use FJ's JethroBubba w/o issue, have had 200hrs~ uptime on my phone and would have had longer if I wasnt such a flash-o-hollic and flashed the updates for it nearly the next day...
Its not for everyone, but its solid as a rock for me.
Setup
GNote-i717
TWRP-latest
FJ's-JethroBubba-11-11-2012
I am so ****ing fed up with this phone. please someone help me out... after loving it for months I'm so close to selling it. just problem after problem on any Rom I try. right now I can't even use my phone to make calls. it rings on the other end but there is silence on my end. I tried clearing phone data in apps, tried fixing permissions, rebooting several times. I've had this issue on each Rom on and off. right now on cm10.. forget the exact nightly but I think the one after stable.
I just don't understand. it has to be something I'm doing or not doing since everyone else is having luck getting reliability. could using cwm instead of twrp somehow make for a more reliable flash? what else could I possibly try? maybe someone could list exact steps of how they're flashing, and what they're using to do so. I would be so grateful.
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are you flashing them correctly?
Wipe data/cache/dalvik
using twrp2.. I factory reset, wipe data/cash, and dalvik. flash Rom. flash gapps. fix permissions. boot. it seems sometimes the Rom auto restores my apps. if not I restore apps with tibu.
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Your not restoring the data for apps on tibu are up? And jellybean for the note is a wip we do not have an official kernel source so its gonna be wonky sometimes. Some ROMs are better than others but they all fail every now and then jellybean ones anyways. Have u tried novena? Its a very nice and fast ICS ROM.
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maybe I'll try going back to ics. disappointing since jb had some nice features. I've tried restoring just apps and apps plus data. but I've also flashed roms where I didn't need tibu and still same issues. but so many people are claiming reliability on these jb roms. not sure if mine is different or they just have lower expectations
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Deep Breath....then pause, and think about this for a minute...
It is "VERY" likely that your problems are user related...(not to sound mean or insulting, because I do "NOT" intend to be..) But...
Roms coming to us are for the most part...clean. A factory build with mild tweaks, and certainly stable for every day use.
The problems come when users dont "clean" the device properly on a fresh flash, or they restore bits of previous rom data from non-compatible builds.
Now I make screw up's too, after nearly 10 years of android hacking. I'll forget a wipe function, or restore an app with TIBU that should "NOT" get put back without a clean app install.
Long story short, the roms here are solid in the ICS realm, and are very good in the JB side too....
I suggest Blackstar as a top pick, also the UCLF6 ICS build #5 from flappjaxxx....
Both are rock solid, and if you exhibit any problems beyond the normal android hickups, then it is likely a user/device issue, and not the rom itself....g
To follow Sarge, try a clean install of all apps from the market. Its a pain to reenter data, etc. but it sounds like you're already in pain.
Its really not that difficult. I will agree that some roms are more stable than others. Most of the JB roms do have some random issues. Here is the thing though. When you start flashing custom roms, you need to accept that you might encounter minor issues. If you are not willing to live with those issues or find work arounds, then you need to flash back to stock and be happy.
Keep in mind that devs have source code to work with ICS roms. Since Samsung hasn't dropped JellyBean source for this device, the current builds are all based on the google opensource code, without many of the device specific drivers.
Others have mentioned and I agree 100%, reinstall all of your user apps out of the play store. I don't trust any of the app backups from TiBU or any other tool. I also do a complete wipe and format everything between roms. You have to have some level of patience to dabble in the custom rom world, and it sounds like you might be missing that. See what you got after an initial install, don't overclock or change any performance settings...Install just the basic apps, from the play store and see how things work for a day or so. If things seem smooth, then add some more apps. Many people try and do too much at one time, which make isolating the problem nearly impossible.
ok, right now I'm on novena... I really hate ics after using jb, but it appears to be quite good so far at least. been on it for a few days and not really any issues. this time I also installed using cwm instead of twrp. apps were restored automatically with play store. sometimes that doesn't happen.. is there any way to install through play store if it doesn't do it automatically?
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Try, AOPK Quincyatt jb milestone 1
this had been my daily driver since it came out. There are roms for lots of devices.
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Try, AOPK Quincyatt jb milestone 1
this had been my daily driver since it came out. There are roms for lots of devices.
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Agree on the AOKP......smoother and more stable than any ICS I have ever used.:thumbup:
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I went from stock virgin mobile unrooted to this phone using Padawan.
Haven't tried any other Roms but don't really have any desire to. Padawan 6.2 hasn't failed me yet. I have read too much about jellybean roms to want to try one.
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Been using ICS BlackStar X as my daily driver without any problems and great battery life.