So don't want anyone to get uppity, I am not a dev but have been following the android dev scene for roughly a year with the utmost respect for developers.. Here is my question, outside of the obvious dragons faced when trying to port a European or International Galaxy s rom for use with our Vibrants, why don't we Vibrant owners see more port attempts or even a lively community of ported roms as seen for the Captivate... Is it the willingness or know how of the Captivate devs or is it just not possible for the Vibrant due to further complexities? From what I was following a while back Eugene had some problems porting a 2.2.1 rom and Heathen also had problems with soft reboot issues in his attempt... However over in the Captivate section there are a number of ports and even working BLN kernals... Are Vibrants capable of the same kind of development? Also we saw a short lived appearance of BLN kernals, does anyone know what happened? Thanks for any insight..
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So don't want anyone to get uppity, I am not a dev but have been following the android dev scene for roughly a year with the utmost respect for developers.. Here is my question, outside of the obvious dragons faced when trying to port a European or International Galaxy s rom for use with our Vibrants, why don't we Vibrant owners see more port attempts or even a lively community of ported roms as seen for the Captivate... Is it the willingness or know how of the Captivate devs or is it just not possible for the Vibrant due to further complexities? From what I was following a while back Eugene had some problems porting a 2.2.1 rom and Heathen also had problems with soft reboot issues in his attempt... However over in the Captivate section there are a number of ports and even working BLN kernals... Are Vibrants capable of the same kind of development? Also we saw a short lived appearance of BLN kernals, does anyone know what happened? Thanks for any insight..
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The reason for lack of ports is that Vibrant really doesn't have a strong following of devs (TW, Eugene, Master, Heathen to name a few). There are very few full out rom devs for our phones. Thus, they are always busy with contriving their own masterpieces, and with the current release of 2.3 I firmly doubt any port attempts will be undertaken.
Also, ports themselves take massive amounts of work, in addition to bugs and glitches galore.
I just have a quick question. I was just checking out the Galaxy S I9000 forums and they have a lot of ROMs/kernels/Themes/MODs over there and it looks like there are some pretty stable 2.3 ROMs in those development forums. I guess my question is: Do the ROMs/kernels/MODs/Themes from the Galaxy S I9000 development forums work for the Samsung Fascinate?
I'm just confused because I figured any ROM/kernel/MOD/theme that would work for the Fascinate would be posted in the Fascinate's development forum. Thanks.
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I just have a quick question. I was just checking out the Galaxy S I9000 forums and they have a lot of ROMs/kernels/Themes/MODs over there and it looks like there are some pretty stable 2.3 ROMs in those development forums. I guess my question is: Do the ROMs/kernels/MODs/Themes from the Galaxy S I9000 development forums work for the Samsung Fascinate?
I'm just confused because I figured any ROM/kernel/MOD/theme that would work for the Fascinate would be posted in the Fascinate's development forum. Thanks.
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you cannot flash anything from another sgs phone (save the showcase/mesmerize with some modifications) on the fascinate
some mods have been ported, but the i9000/captivate/telus fascinate/vibrant are all gsm phones...the radio stuff is very very different
even the epic 4g which is cdma/wimax has done very little for us
samsung treats each phone like an island when developing software for it...we are on our own
Sorry but anything not specifically listed as compatible for the fascinate will at least not work and at worst soft-brick your phone. The majority of galaxy s phones are gsm, unlike the fascinate which is cdma. That difference in radio type requires a difference in software so their stuff won't fly on our hardware.
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Okay I understand. Thanks for the quick responses.
Hey guys,
I'm new to the Android community. Im debating between OGS2 vs Skyrocket. I've been reading about how the OGS2 will have more 'developer support' than the Skyrocket. What exactly does that mean? Ive had jailbroken iphones so I know a bit bout phone modding. From what I understand, the Skyrocket has been rooted and will be getting ICS. So would it be able to use all the same hacks as the OGS2? Thanks.
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Hey guys,
I'm new to the Android community. Im debating between OGS2 vs Skyrocket. I've been reading about how the OGS2 will have more 'developer support' than the Skyrocket. What exactly does that mean? Ive had jailbroken iphones so I know a bit bout phone modding. From what I understand, the Skyrocket has been rooted and will be getting ICS. So would it be able to use all the same hacks as the OGS2? Thanks.
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NOOO the dev support on the skyrocket WILL be accute when compared to the OG SGS2. but i mean the phone just came out yesterday.
and we do have root, and working cwm.
the2rrell said:
NOOO the dev support on the skyrocket WILL be accute when compared to the OG SGS2. but i mean the phone just came out yesterday.
and we do have root, and working cwm.
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Thanks for your reply. Lol Im assuming 'accute' means 'the same' right? I guess I'm just worried if I go with the Skyrocket it wouldn't have as many themes, mods, updates, etc...
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Thanks for your reply. Lol Im assuming 'accute' means 'the same' right? I guess I'm just worried if I go with the Skyrocket it wouldn't have as many themes, mods, updates, etc...
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Acute being defined as small, It may or may not have the same sized community but I am going with small. With the difference in basically everything on the phone, nothing from the ogs2 will be easily ported over the skyrocket. You best bet is to get the TMob GS2 devs to make a port as that phone is far more similar to the sky rocket than the ogs2.
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Acute being defined as small, It may or may not have the same sized community but I am going with small. With the difference in basically everything on the phone, nothing from the ogs2 will be easily ported over the skyrocket. You best bet is to get the TMob GS2 devs to make a port as that phone is far more similar to the sky rocket than the ogs2.
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Yes as meaning Small, the dev support with be Minute in comparison. so if your a flashaholic u may want to get the OGSGS2
Smaller. The issue is it's different hardware than that of the International SGSGII, Sprint and AT&T SGSII.
The i777 can have ported roms due to similar hardware - much like the Galaxy S line (Galaxy S, Captivate and so on).
It's one reason I chose the SGSII.
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NOOO the dev support on the skyrocket WILL be accute when compared to the OG SGS2. but i mean the phone just came out yesterday.
and we do have root, and working cwm.
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I rooted my skyrocket and the cwm for the tmobile version is suppose to work
I also think dev support for the skyrocket will be less than the OGSGS2. I have the OGSGS2 and was a little afraid that our very talented devs would jump ship to the Skyrocket. That's why I was ecstatic to see Entropy512's latest release....Hellraiser for OGSGS2 (see dev section for thread). This opens up the very established and large i9100 dev community to our i777.
It boils down to this - i9100 has a VERY large international community behind it. The i777 is very similar to i9100 and now with Hellraiser we can even flash their ROM's. Skyrocket has a different chipset that isn't as well supported....YET. (someone correct me if I'm wrong on this).
Aah ok I see now. The difference in hardware is the reason why one has more dev support. Thanks for the explanation fellas. Unfortunately that makes my decision tougher since I was leaning towards Skyrocket but now I don't know. I don't wanna miss out on hacks and whatnot.
It doesn't make much sense that it's tacked onto the i777 forum. It'd be like putting the Infuse forum into the Captivate section.
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It doesn't make much sense that it's tacked onto the i777 forum. It'd be like putting the Infuse forum into the Captivate section.
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I agree... While the two share similar names, that truly seems to be the extent of the similarities...
Can the Powers that Be consider creating a separate Forum just for the Skyrocket so as to eliminate possible confusion, especially from noobs?
I can see a whole bunch of bricked phones from people trying to flash a custom ASGSII ROM onto a Skyrocket just because they didn't know any better, and they were located in the same subforum.
We all know how much people tend to READ warnings... it's always AFTER something is F'ed up. LOL...
Don
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It doesn't make much sense that it's tacked onto the i777 forum. It'd be like putting the Infuse forum into the Captivate section.
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Worse than Infuse in the Cappy section... I wish there were a "report forum for moving" thread. At least Heimdall worked on the Infuse!
I'm so afraid of the flood of "Y HEIMDALL NO WORK?" threads that are going to come with the Skyrocket in our forums.
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Worse than Infuse in the Cappy section... I wish there were a "report forum for moving" thread. At least Heimdall worked on the Infuse!
I'm so afraid of the flood of "Y HEIMDALL NO WORK?" threads that are going to come with the Skyrocket in our forums.
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whomp whomp whomp......lol
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I agree... While the two share similar names, that truly seems to be the extent of the similarities...
Can the Powers that Be consider creating a separate Forum just for the Skyrocket so as to eliminate possible confusion, especially from noobs?
I can see a whole bunch of bricked phones from people trying to flash a custom ASGSII ROM onto a Skyrocket just because they didn't know any better, and they were located in the same subforum.
We all know how much people tend to READ warnings... it's always AFTER something is F'ed up. LOL...
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I don't mind READING info on the Ltd gs2. BUT I sure hope that any mods, roms, development WILL NOT be included into the dev section otherwise WE WILL be seeing people that are newer coming in here with their lte SGS2 and flashing i777 roms and vice versa newbs with i777 flashing i727 lte phone roms, mods, etc. and causing all kinds of issues. I hope they get their own sub forum soon before any major development takes place for it.
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I don't mind READING info on the Ltd gs2. BUT I sure hope that any mods, roms, development WILL NOT be included into the dev section otherwise WE WILL be seeing people that are newer coming in here with their lte SGS2 and flashing i777 roms and vice versa newbs with i777 flashing i727 lte phone roms, mods, etc. and causing all kinds of issues. I hope they get their own sub forum soon before any major development takes place for it.
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i do agree with yall, but peoeple should read.
obviously the Skyrocket is not the OG sgs2. and all threads about the skyrocket have the word SKYROCKET in the title.
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i do agree with yall, but peoeple should read.
obviously the Skyrocket is not the OG sgs2. and all threads about the skyrocket have the word SKYROCKET in the title.
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After my year or so of being in the captivate forum and now here. People reading is something that never happens. It's like some sort of lost art...OMG I Bricked my Device because I didn't read the bold text in the OP to not do what I did. Gotta love noobs, hell how many posts do we get still from people flashing intl gs2 roms and wondering why the buttons don't work... Facepalm
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1336586
Enough said...
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i do agree with yall, but peoeple should read.
obviously the Skyrocket is not the OG sgs2. and all threads about the skyrocket have the word SKYROCKET in the title.
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People are posting here because it's been the topic of quite a bit of discussion here. But if you want us to have our own forum, feel free to vote to get us one. I for one thing the Skyrocket hate is getting old quickly. It's certainly much better "out of the box" than the OG. (I certainly don't miss the button lag and lower network speeds). It will get support soon enough, and for now you can always root it and use the stock kernel.
I don't miss the middle button lag but I do miss the middle button!
Hey,
So I currently have a Motorola Atrix that I love but am selling today. I want to switch to the i777 because of better future development. The locked bootloader that the Atrix had at launch didn't help matters, although we now have CM7, MIUI, and some CM7-based ROMs. However, how far behind is the i777 from i9100 development? In other words, if the i9100 got stable CM9, for example, how long would it take us to port that?
Also, how long do you think strong development (like I see there is now) will last? For example, Captivate development is still going strong (considering they have multiple builds of ICS). Will it be anything like that?
I'm only wondering because there is a somewhat hefty price jump between a used Atrix and a used i777 which I am willing and able to make, but only if development will be strong for at least another year. How likely do you think that will be?
Just as a note, I'm not asking you guys if I should buy the i777. I'm just asking what you think development will be like a year from now, and how close we are to the i9100 development. I already read about the hardware differences between the i777 and i9100 (NFC, FM radio, home button, etc.)
Thanks a lot,
vinay427
Dev community is at about same level that the captivate was when it came out.
As for i9100 port of cm9 or any other 4.0 roms it's a matter of kernel sources being available. I've messed with kernels recently, but entropy would be the brains for that job.
Anyhow, going from your current phone to this phone will be a night and day difference.
Running ICScrewD ROM
jivy26 said:
Dev community is at about same level that the captivate was when it came out.
As for i9100 port of cm9 or any other 4.0 roms it's a matter of kernel sources being available. I've messed with kernels recently, but entropy would be the brains for that job.
Anyhow, going from your current phone to this phone will be a night and day difference.
Running ICScrewD ROM
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Once kernel sources come out for ICS, we should be able to get most functions ported in a week or two. The main issue is the audio libraries - we might need some workarounds for call audio.
The other question is whether Samsung breaks the modem interface - if ICS requires new modems we might have a problem. However at least on the Infuse, modem interfaces didn't change at all from Froyo to Gingerbread.
This means that we won't be able to do much with ICS leaks for the I9100 though - we won't be able to do much until official kernel sources come out with the official release.
Yes, ICS poses some challenges for the devs here. We will get ICS through a i9100 port months, if not quarters, before we see leaks or anything official from att.
As far as gingerbread, any i9100 ROM should run on the i777. There is a "Hellraiser" package that will replace the appropriate files to make the ROM work fine.
As you said the captivate is still going strong, the i777 is the next captivate. It will be the best flagship Android phone on att until a Galaxy S III version comes over. (Unless we get a note by some miracle. Also the Galaxy Nexus could be around the corner.) If they follow the same cycle, thats fall 2012 for the att version. We can only hope att meddles with that version as little as they did the i777. I would bet there is another half upgrade between here and then (like the infuse), but, I doubt it will pull significant amounts of devs from this phone.
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Ok, thanks a lot guys! There's about a $120 jump from the i777 to the i9100, and I simply can't justify that. I considered the Skyrocket (as does everyone..) and removed it from my list due to a certain lack of development, which is why I was switching in the first place. Same with the Vivid and Nitro HD. There seems to be the most hope for the i777 out of the current AT&T line. Look for me on the i777 forums soon (hopefully)!
I recently brought the Galaxy S2 from Straight Talk. And, I thought that it was on ICS already. But, its still running GB. I've been flashing, and testing roms on the sly for a while for my previous phones. HTC Droid Eris, HTC Evo 4G Design, Motorola Defy. And, I know there are different models of certain phones. I hadn't realized until I purchased the phone, and looked at the model number that it was different from the mainstream S2 models. I figured that it wouldn't be a factor since in my mind. Just about all S2 no matter the model number are the same. I was wrong.
In my search for anything about this model. I have came to many consumers who brought this phone that was looking for custom roms. That there aren't any custom roms for it, or CWM Recovery. And, we're stuck with this great phone, and crap stock. I know myself, and many people who own this phone either is just sticking with stock, or on the hunt.
So as the topic of this forum thread indicates. Is any devs going to port over CWM or some Roms for this model? If there is can anyone steer me to it.