Whats the deal with bootloaders? It seems that these phones get lots of custom roms. Whats the exact downfall?
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All phones have bootloaders.
The problems are phones with locked bootloaders.
HTC is locking down its bootloader, but its possible to hack into it, even its a bit hard. Motorola's locked bootloader and totally locked down, with Motorola being the only one able to open them without some extreme hacking (which haesn't been done). Sony is opening up their bootloaders.
Basically, without a open bootloader, you can't flash recoveries or kernels. I don't know the full reason behind it, but something with the system deny access to flash anything to it.
Roms are avaliable yes for those with locked bootloaders, but I believe there is no permeanant recovery and therefore needs for a bootstrapper which acts as a temporary recovery for one reboot. Kernels can't be flashed, and you probably realize how severe that is. Also, since you need to use the stock rom/source as a base for locked phones to flash the roms, it doesn't allow for full AOSP roms, not allowing for CM or MIUI for example.
Pretty sure I got one or more things wrong, but that's basically the gist of it.
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the difference between a locked and encrypted bootloader is huge...moto uses ridiculous encryptions (military grade) that are virtually impossible to hack (and havent been after a year and a half of trying on the milestone)
most phones "lock" their bootloaders...i mean ours was/is...but even with security like htc's...it can be gotten around (easier with leaked eng boot obviously)
Thanks for the replies.. Sounds horrible. I mean, there are more significant changes to our fascinate through kernels than any rom. Voodoo, bln, overclock, uv, sound, color. Rom mods I feel are minute in comparison.. I will never buy a POS moto now that I know what the signed bootloader is all about.
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I believe Samsung and now Sony are the only ones with not as locked down bootloaders. Not Nexus grade open, but near open.
Its been confirmed by supercurio on his little tinker on the Galaxy SII.
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I believe Samsung and now Sony are the only ones with not as locked down bootloaders. Not Nexus grade open, but near open.
Its been confirmed by supercurio on his little tinker on the Galaxy SII.
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I plan on sticking with samsung.. software don't bother me as much as hardware, their hardware is unbeatable. And being unlocked. Who cares what it comes with. The devs are great at fixing it up
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I plan on sticking with samsung.. software don't bother me as much as hardware, their hardware is unbeatable. And being unlocked. Who cares what it comes with. The devs are great at fixing it up
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100% agreed. With our devs and an unlocked bootloader, Galaxy S 2 here I come.........(whenever you're released for Verizon)
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I believe Samsung and now Sony are the only ones with not as locked down bootloaders. Not Nexus grade open, but near open.
Its been confirmed by supercurio on his little tinker on the Galaxy SII.
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What about LG?
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What about LG?
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Oops, completely forgot about LG. Their phones are also in the near open category.
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Title says it all. I know we already got a rom really quick but I was currious if atrix well ever get on the nexus one level with a bunch of roms and devs? Also will there be roms that remove moto blur?
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Development for the atrix won't be quite like the Nexus, since that was a dev style phone.
Also, we don't technically have a ROM as it is just the modification of system files, and not a complete flashable package.
If a Nexus One like experience is important, consider the Nexus S when it comes to AT&T.
Can't afford and iI love this phone. I just want to rid it of blur or a less laggy blurr. will it at least get roms like the vibrant?
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Can't afford and iI love this phone. I just want to rid it of blur or a less laggy blurr. will it at least get roms like the vibrant?
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Try installing an alternate launcher like ADW, Go Launcher, or Launcher Pro (my launcher of choice) in the meantime.
Edit: Also, Moto said somewhere they will give us the tools in the future to really play with the phone, so only time will tell. If they ever keep to that promise, then we'll have nothing stopping us from really getting ROMs and Kernels out just like any phone with an unlocked bootloader.
Im sure were getting closer. I think we have quite a few developers working on trying to unlock it. Also, DG is working very hard at it too. Once it's unlocked we should see quite a few ROMs, kernels, and themes since it is atts first major android phone and the first dual core phone out.
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Im sure were getting closer. I think we have quite a few developers working on trying to unlock it. Also, DG is working very hard at it too. Once it's unlocked we should see quite a few ROMs, kernels, and themes since it is atts first major android phone and the first dual core phone out.
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i dont think its getting unlocked, according to some questions ive asked developers, it probably never will be.
jeebus i hope im wrong though. it pains me to have a phone that is locked down.
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Title says it all. I know we already got a rom really quick but I was currious if atrix well ever get on the nexus one level with a bunch of roms and devs? Also will there be roms that remove moto blur?
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I think its summed up pretty nicely here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=975714
This belongs in General or Q&A - NOT DEVELOPMENT.... people need to learn the flipping RULES and start FOLLOWING.... this is why these forums become so cluttered up.... NOONE follows RULES..... **facepalm**
Sorry
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Im sure were getting closer. I think we have quite a few developers working on trying to unlock it. Also, DG is working very hard at it too. Once it's unlocked we should see quite a few ROMs, kernels, and themes since it is atts first major android phone and the first dual core phone out.
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actually DG got rid of his atrix...
absolutely never.
trell959 said:
actually DG got rid of his atrix...
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This thread is like a month old...but anyway.
why not? do u know how much motorola want to do this?
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absolutely never.
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I'm not even kidding, I was wondering if it was possible to compile a donut rom from source that would work on this device. I was going to post in development, because this question is related to development, but I'm going to post in Q&A just to be sure. cupcake would also be fine I guess.
smoothest donut experience you would ever see
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smoothest donut experience you would ever see
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Would probably be less smooth.
Just for kicks, um, why?
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Just for kicks, um, why?
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just as you said, just for kicks really I just want to do it.
I imagine the two deal breakers to overcome are compatible bootloaders and functioning kernel.
I know on older devices as 2.2 got upgraded to 2.3 some required updated bootloaders. I imagine there's a way around it, but going 3 to 4 generations back has to in some way play a role with bootloader compatibility.
Kernel should be possible. From how I understand, ics is ported to our phones by using a patched kernel.
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I imagine the two deal breakers to overcome are compatible bootloaders and functioning kernel.
I know on older devices as 2.2 got upgraded to 2.3 some required updated bootloaders. I imagine there's a way around it, but going 3 to 4 generations back has to in some way play a role with bootloader compatibility.
Kernel should be possible. From how I understand, ics is ported to our phones by using a patched kernel.
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I know that you have to update your bootloader... but is it backwards compatible? I used the same hboot version to boot gingerbread and froyo on my inspire when i had it. I wonder if the rom just has to be made and the kernel that we're using now could be backwards compatible.
Only one way to find out
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Only one way to find out
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that's why it's in the Q&A, I need help with it!
If Android version goes from 2.3.4 to 4.0 but kernel stays the same is it truly ics
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If Android version goes from 2.3.4 to 4.0 but kernel stays the same is it truly ics
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If it utilizes both cores properly I'm sold.
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Therein lies the potential problem. I believe all the multitasking logic is part of the kernel.
Therefore, until we can replace the kernel (either via an official update from Motorola or an unlocked bootloader), we're stuck with the 2.3.4 kernel, which probably means, no improvement in the multitasking.
What really has be upset now is, Motorola is releasing a new RAZR called the Developer Edition which was the bootloader unlocked.
We didn't want to have to purchase a new frickin' phone! Unlock the bootloaders for the phones we already own, you putzes!
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Therein lies the potential problem. I believe all the multitasking logic is part of the kernel.
Therefore, until we can replace the kernel (either via an official update from Motorola or an unlocked bootloader), we're stuck with the 2.3.4 kernel, which probably means, no improvement in the multitasking.
What really has be upset now is, Motorola is releasing a new RAZR called the Developer Edition which was the bootloader unlocked.
We didn't want to have to purchase a new frickin' phone! Unlock the bootloaders for the phones we already own, you putzes!
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My friend looked like he wanted to cry when I told him about the new Razr. He got the original Razr not too long ago.
F Motorola.
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My friend looked like he wanted to cry when I told him about the new Razr. He got the original Razr not too long ago.
F Motorola.
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This crap that Motorola is pulling has sealed their fate with me: I will no longer get ANY Motorola devices.
I mean, I have to purchase another phone in order to have it unlocked? And then, it HAS to be the RAZR? No removable battery? No way.
I mean, HOW many versions of the RAZR are they going to release? Ridiculous!
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This crap that Motorola is pulling has sealed their fate with me: I will no longer get ANY Motorola devices.
I mean, I have to purchase another phone in order to have it unlocked? And then, it HAS to be the RAZR? No removable battery? No way.
I mean, HOW many versions of the RAZR are they going to release? Ridiculous!
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Yup. If the d4 ships unlocked im in. If not moto can kiss my pasty white ass.
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And verizon too. You KNOW theyre the ones pressuring moto to keep them locked down.
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This whole thread is a reference to the fake, isn't it?
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This whole thread is a reference to the fake, isn't it?
DX2- CM7
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Partly, but Dragonzkiller has gotten ICS (CM9) to boot up on the X2, but it's very pre-alpha. Probably FCs a lot. But, he is working on it. Eventually, we should see CM9 for the X2, but it won't be a full-blown ICS. Until the kernel is unlocked (if that ever happens), we won't be able to replace it with the ICS kernel which will better utilize the two-cores for multitasking.
This thread was not started about the fake but to find out exactly what the kernel has to do with ics. I noticed even dk's has the gb kernel. Was just trying to find out if we were really going to get ics cm9 from dk or just gingerbread with ics on top. Either way i still support dk with his efforts just trying to get educated, i will still use cm9 even if it's not entirely pure.
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This thread was not started about the fake but to find out exactly what the kernel has to do with ics. I noticed even dk's has the gb kernel. Was just trying to find out if we were really going to get ics cm9 from dk or just gingerbread with ics on top. Either way i still support dk with his efforts just trying to get educated, i will still use cm9 even if it's not entirely pure.
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It's as pure as he can get it. Until we have a way to replace the kernel, we won't be able to get a completely "pure" ICS unless Motorola releases ICS for X2. In that case, we'll have a pure ICS kernel and then all DK has to do is what he did with CM7 - recompile the rest and get it working for CM9. But, I don't know if we'll ever see ICS for the X2. Motorola hasn't said yes or no, but if we do get it, it probably won't be until late this year. If we don't see it by the end of the year, my guess is, we'll never see it.
Motorola has dropped the X2 like a bad habit, which is a shame. Way to screw your customers Moto. That's why I won't be back.
I'm with you on the motorola bootloader deal. This will probably be my last moto phone. until my plan is up I'm stuck with it.
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The one thing I like about Motorola phones is the ability to SBF if anything goes wrong. Do other manufacturers offer this kind of feature? If not, that would probably be the thing that keeps me with Motorola. But I agree. I hate that they aren't unlocking the bootloader for us.
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The one thing I like about Motorola phones is the ability to SBF if anything goes wrong. Do other manufacturers offer this kind of feature? If not, that would probably be the thing that keeps me with Motorola. But I agree. I hate that they aren't unlocking the bootloader for us.
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You just flash the system partition image and kernel. Which is basically what the sbf does. You still get to keep your recovery too because its in the recovery partition and the system flash doesn't write it.
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If Android version goes from 2.3.4 to 4.0 but kernel stays the same is it truly ics
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Yeah it is truly ics. The kernel has nothing to do with ics. A new kernel would make is run smoother and easier. Think of your kernel as you cars motor. The body a rom. Kernel makes the car move. So in essence it might be a different motor but its still that mustang body
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Yeah it is truly ics. The kernel has nothing to do with ics. A new kernel would make is run smoother and easier. Think of your kernel as you cars motor. The body a rom. Kernel makes the car move. So in essence it might be a different motor but its still that mustang body
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Nipples got hard there for a moment. Don't know why. Was it a Mach 1?
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IMO, Until we get an official update from verizon or official support from CM9, we will never have the total ICS goodness, but if it looks like ICS and runs like ICS, who will complain? Not I!
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IMO, Until we get an official update from verizon or official support from CM9, we will never have the total ICS goodness, but if it looks like ICS and runs like ICS, who will complain? Not I!
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Why do u think it wont be total ics
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Nipples got hard there for a moment. Don't know why. Was it a Mach 1?
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Shelby
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motcher41 said:
Why do u think it wont be total ics
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Everything about this phone screams a port of the Atrix. This phone just doesn't feel like the successor of the DX, just the mash-up of the failure on ATT and the shell of the DX.
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Me and my mother are switching to At&t soon, and I'm kinda stuck. I have an Epic on Sprint now and development is top notch. Miui,cm7,cm9, sense ports are being worked on, its just great. What my issue is, is I can't figure out what phone to get. I'm stuck mostly between the HTC Vivid and the OG SGSII. Development is huge for me, I'm a terrible flashaholic. I NEED good stuff to flash such as cm, miui, and stuff like that. Benchmarks don't matter to me.. but development does.. what do you guys think I should do?
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What answer do you expect from this forum? You think people here would tell you to go to the vivid? Not very likely
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What answer do you expect from this forum? You think people here would tell you to go to the vivid? Not very likely
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Well, someone in vivid told me to get sgsii, so, anything is possible.
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nbunn said:
Me and my mother are switching to At&t soon, and I'm kinda stuck. I have an Epic on Sprint now and development is top notch. Miui,cm7,cm9, sense ports are being worked on, its just great. What my issue is, is I can't figure out what phone to get. I'm stuck mostly between the HTC Vivid and the OG SGSII. Development is huge for me, I'm a terrible flashaholic. I NEED good stuff to flash such as cm, miui, and stuff like that. Benchmarks don't matter to me.. but development does.. what do you guys think I should do?
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I don't think anyone here would tell you to not get our device...
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The HTC Vivid is more comparable to the Skyrocket really. It's huge.
I've only had the HTC Inspire 4G but that phone was worlds harder to mod than the SGS2. HTC seems more adamant about people not rooting their devices, and for that reason I'd say go for the SGS2. Plus this phone basically shares the i9100 community since the Hellraiser by Entropy. I don't know much about the Vivid community so I cant comment there. The only appealing thing to me about HTC is its Sense UI. I personally like it better than TouchWiz.
Honestly if Dev support is what you're looking for then this is the phone for your, vivid can't even compare.
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Vivid - Locked bootloader, enough said...
Entropy512 said:
Vivid - Locked bootloader, enough said...
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Thought the updated HTC tool took care of that?
Anyway. Get the i777 OG SGSII. Nuff said.
Any Galaxy S variant will be the best option for development, mainly because the international versions get ported over relatively quickly and have huge dev support.
Go with the vivid, faster data, better ui, better hardware and will probably have ICS before the SG2, ohh and yes you can unlock the bootloader with developer tool.
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Go with the vivid, faster data, better ui, better hardware and will probably have ICS before the SG2, ohh and yes you can unlock the bootloader with developer tool.
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Better UI is subjective, i find sense to be a little too over the top with animations and it slows the phone down with its bloat. We have better hardware no question thoug, the vivid may have better build quality, but its hardware is definitely not better (Exynos>>>>>>>> Snapdragon). The S II never had a locked bootloader to begin with either so we didn't have to wait months for that. Also, what the hell makes you think we'll get ICS after the vivid? we are waiting for two things that will be solved when source is released for the international Galaxy S II i9100, which has a huge developer following unlike the vivid.
Tough call. I love my gs2. I'm always looking at flashing too. Since the hellraiser package from the great entropy it opened the doors to almost all the roms at the I9100 section. Now we have a flashaholic tool also. Only downfall for the time being is us waiting for kernel source for ics. Which should hopefully be real soon. Most all the devs in the I9100 are now doing ics roms and unfortunately we can't run it properly. But when that day comes when we can watch out, the flood gates will be wide open to tons of roms.
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Thought the updated HTC tool took care of that?
Anyway. Get the i777 OG SGSII. Nuff said.
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They still have s-on. They can flash roms, but not radios, or rooted ruu's.
But anyways get whatever you like, the vivid is a great device in my opinion. (I'm a sense lover). Touchwiz 4 l love also, I picked this phone because of the processor, its a Samsung
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Not fully locked yet not fully unlocked either. Its perfectly usable.
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HTC is known for small batteries and the Vivid is in that category.
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Not fully locked yet not fully unlocked either. Its perfectly usable.
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Don't you have both Pirateghost? If you had to get rid of one, which would it be and why?
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HTC is known for small batteries and the Vivid is in that category.
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battery life is definitely worse on my vivid.
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Don't you have both Pirateghost? If you had to get rid of one, which would it be and why?
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Whoa. Don't make me pick one of my children!
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HTC is known for small batteries and the Vivid is in that category.
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Any LTE device will deliver poor battery life - just like UMTS (3G) was bad for battery in the first 1-2 years of its existence.
After a year or two, LTE will hopefully no longer have the power penalty it currently has, but right now, LTE = battery hogging fatty. Just look at how awful all of Verizon's phones have been in the weight/battery life arena since they moved to LTE. Supposedly the radios in AT&T's LTE phones are better, but all reports I've heard indicate otherwise.
The Vivid boot unlocker is a HTC site, once you use it your phone's warranty is null and void. Really nice HTC.
GS2 has CM7, MIUI, numerous hellraised roms, and Samsung touchwiz roms. Development in the Vivid is much more limited. Maybe that will change in the future but who can say.
Good point - technically the flash counter on GS2 voids your warranty, but it's REALLY easy to bypass that currently.
Voiding warranty due to custom binaries is lame - If a manufacturer is concerned with custom firmware causing problems, they simply need to make it easy to return-to-stock. None of this bull**** with putting minefields in the path of those who want custom firmware that make it easier to brick.
Samsung already has this capability, but they only enable it from the factory on the Galaxy Player. With a full return-to-stock image, the Galaxy Player 5.0 cannot be hardbricked by any means - if the bootloaders are corrupted, it falls back to a built-in bootloader mode within the CPU hardware. All Hummingbird and Exynos devices have this capability but Samsung usually disables it.
my wife has an S2 and i'm not sure if i want to mess with her phone and update it if it isn't worth it...she is technically challenged.
so i am wondering what the majority of you will be doing, switching to official ICS or stick with stock GB.
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A majority of us don't touch official builds
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A majority of us don't touch official builds
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A majority of us don't touch official builds
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+1 as well.
Most of us have been on ICS for months.
Your wife probably won't even know the difference so I wouldn't worry about it
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Reading about too many issues with the "official ICS" and went to SHOStock2 rom. ZERO issues and functions flawlessly for me.
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if that is true, then i'm only hoping to hear from the few who do use official builds.
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ARTAQaf said:
my wife has an S2 and i'm not sure if i want to mess with her phone and update it if it isn't worth it...she is technically challenged.
so i am wondering what the majority of you will be doing, switching to official ICS or stick with stock GB.
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Don't update it. In my experience, technically challenged people don't appreciate it when their technology changes, sometimes even if the change is for the better. The phone works great on Gingerbread...if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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if that is true, then i'm only hoping to hear from the few who do use official builds.
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*crickets*
That's like going to a Chinese restaurant and only hoping to see pizza on the menu.
Seriously, though. . .if your wife is happy with GB and is not particularly interested in, or adept at learning, new tech there's no sense in updating just to update. As for the "official" update, the responses seem to be all over the place. . .from folks who love it to those who loathe it and say they're going back to GB. It really all depends on how happy your wife is with her phone as it currently is AND how prepared you are to deal with possible problems caused by AT&T's implementation of ICS.
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my wife has an S2 and i'm not sure if i want to mess with her phone and update it if it isn't worth it...she is technically challenged.
so i am wondering what the majority of you will be doing, switching to official ICS or stick with stock GB.
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Complete stock here. 4.03. Personally I think you should go through with it . Like others have mentioned there isn't a big change in the user interface . So your wife shouldn't have trouble figuring things out since there nearly identical. You can help show her some new features she may like such as full screen web browsing, the new task manager ,screen display or data manager. Then again you can always set it up for her so she doesn't even need to understand how to "turn on the feature"
Aside from the phone OS experience, I'd also consider apps. If your wife only uses Browser and Gmail, then stick with Gingerbread.
On the other hand, now that ICS is "stock," I would plan ahead for developers dropping support for Gingerbread - at least in some cases.
Apps from mainstream companies (Amazon, Netflix) tend to be extremely backwards-compatible, while smaller shops may focus efforts on fewer versions, and once you can guarantee access (carrier-provided stock ICS), that's one less version to maintain.
For my part, I wanted to try out the Chrome Beta. Won't run on Gingerbread, so that's a no-brainer for me.
For the record, I do not run stock, but I used the above logic when I went from a Gingerbread ROM to an Ice Cream Sandwich ROM.
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Aside from the phone OS experience, I'd also consider apps. If your wife only uses Browser and Gmail, then stick with Gingerbread.
On the other hand, now that ICS is "stock," I would plan ahead for developers dropping support for Gingerbread - at least in some cases.
Apps from mainstream companies (Amazon, Netflix) tend to be extremely backwards-compatible, while smaller shops may focus efforts on fewer versions, and once you can guarantee access (carrier-provided stock ICS), that's one less version to maintain.
For my part, I wanted to try out the Chrome Beta. Won't run on Gingerbread, so that's a no-brainer for me.
For the record, I do not run stock, but I used the above logic when I went from a Gingerbread ROM to an Ice Cream Sandwich ROM.
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App developers have to consider the market. Currently (as of June 1) approx 20% of devices are running 2.2 Froyo and 65% are running 2.3 Gingerbread. Those two account for 85% of the market. Only 7% of devices are running ICS. Not too many app developers are going to give up over 90% of the market and make their apps specific to ICS. See here for details.
ARTAQaf said:
my wife has an S2 and i'm not sure if i want to mess with her phone and update it if it isn't worth it...she is technically challenged.
so i am wondering what the majority of you will be doing, switching to official ICS or stick with stock GB.
tx! --- art.
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I did and an liking it more than GB. It didnt change much. It feels smoother and theres a new "shine" to things but thats about it. Its easy, do it. Why do rooted people on here act like theyre better than us unroots? Just wondering. I NEED my warranty and insurance with the way I am w/ phones. STOP ROOT BULLYING!! lol
nednerbish said:
I did and an liking it more than GB. It didnt change much. It feels smoother and theres a new "shine" to things but thats about it. Its easy, do it. Why do rooted people on here act like theyre better than us unroots? Just wondering. I NEED my warranty and insurance with the way I am w/ phones. STOP ROOT BULLYING!! lol
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You know that you can root and unroot and keep your warranty intact
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Nick281051 said:
You know that you can root and unroot and keep your warranty intact
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you forget.
people would need to know what root actually means. many many many people think rooting is some secret voodoo that incites leprechaun riots and unicorn orgies...
Pirateghost said:
you forget.
people would need to know what root actually means. many many many people think rooting is some secret voodoo that incites leprechaun riots and unicorn orgies...
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And what the hell is wrong with that?!
I'm kinda disappointed that it didn't happen that way when I rooted and flashed ;(
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Pirateghost said:
you forget.
people would need to know what root actually means. many many many people think rooting is some secret voodoo that incites leprechaun riots and unicorn orgies...
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That explains why I don't like lucky charms anymore...
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Tried it and had some issues. On the subjective side I thought it didn't seemed as smooth as GB. Objectively I had some issues with notification sounds not working. Also the menu is different enough that it could be a little confusing at first for someone that doesn't like to mess with their technology.
I first Flashed the Stock ICS with CWM from AJ Newkirk to keep my root. The stock did not seem that much different than GB. I progressed to v6b of the Newkirk ROM with Touchwiz UX and other changes. Much more interesting. Then Flashed the new Shishir ROM with Touchwiz UX and the UCLE5 Modem and am experimenting with them both. Unless you plan on moving to the next level with the custom ROM's I would question if the update is worth it.
Thanks to AJ and Shishir for their hard work and speed to get their ROM's out.