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Are we going to root the Android 2.2?
We could use some of that Flash!
Release on Android Developer!
I know someone who has it rooted already, but on a droid. I dont know what exploits will work for the version for the eris, as it will be different. The droid 2.2 (and root)hasnt been released sure to a google sign in issue, making the phone useless with no contacts or activation.
anyway, yes it will be rooted.
All in due time kids, the SDK was literally released about 12 hours ago. It would be silly to expect a workable rooted 2.2 rom.
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All in due time kids, the SDK was literally released about 12 hours ago. It would be silly to expect a workable rooted 2.2 rom.
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That would be complete Kaos to release a 2.2 rom in 12 hours
1) Eris wont support flash, its arm6 and at this time the flash libraries are arm7.
2) We won't have it officially on the Eris, there wont be any rooting it. It will have to be ported or compiled for th eris, and installed on a pre rooted phone.
3) There is not any one who "rooted" this on the droid, all droid installed are after market or developer installs, and are installed on prerooted phones.
You sure Eris won't get 2.2? That makes me sad... Looks like I might end up rooting my phone so I can get it.
Damn......I was looking forward to getting the 2.2 update for my Eris!
Wait a minute....I am not rooted.....so does that mean I will get it or update my phone?
TDianna said:
Damn......I was looking forward to getting the 2.2 update for my Eris!
Wait a minute....I am not rooted.....so does that mean I will get it or update my phone?
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2.2 wont be sent to our phones. we wont even get the update, rooted or not. the only way to get it is to root your phone and put on the ported rom.
Why won't the Eris get the update? I get sick of hearing that companies decide to leave like 3 phones off the list and update everything else.
What does the new update entail anyway? Is that the "froyo" update people keep mentioning on blogs and news pages?
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Why won't the Eris get the update? I get sick of hearing that companies decide to leave like 3 phones off the list and update everything else.
What does the new update entail anyway? Is that the "froyo" update people keep mentioning on blogs and news pages?
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Its business. Why keep updating an out of production product? When if they stop, many users will buy a newer product.
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Its business. Why keep updating an out of production product? When if they stop, many users will buy a newer product.
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I didn't realize the Eris was out of production. I only got my Eris in January.
That would explain it though. Not that I'm going to switch, you guys have any recommendations on another android phone? I heard people are loving the Nexus One.
I got my eris in january as well.. I am going to ride it out, until I get the new every 2 upgrade discount or whatever... Im running 2.1v3 now, and have nothing but time to wait until it's rooted, or not, doesn't really matter lmao.. A newer, more powerful phone will more than likely be free in a year and a half anyways... So i'm good. I wouldn't go spend money on another phone right now, unless you are just that much of a tech junkie lmao
Idk if I can root my phone.
I have some f*cked up version on mine that came though Insurion and I don't know what to do with it. It works fine but I would like root for 2.1 OTA running 1.49 HBOOT. (Ya, I know, it's weird huh.)
There is a lot more to be excited about 2.2 than flash
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There is a lot more to be excited about 2.2 than flash
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this man, he speaks the truth.
such a shame
how verizon has treated eris owners. it is capable of far more than what verizon released it with. if they would have maxed it out and marketed it, it would probably be one of the top cell phone sellers. and verizon should continue to support this device considering of when they took it out of the stores was recently. they should be required to support it for 2 years after it was pulled for the customers who purchased it at the last minute so they will be taken care of through their 2 year contract. dont have us sign 2year contracts if your not gonna support the product for the period of our contract.
Raikalo said:
I didn't realize the Eris was out of production. I only got my Eris in January.
That would explain it though. Not that I'm going to switch, you guys have any recommendations on another android phone? I heard people are loving the Nexus One.
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Me neither!
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1) Eris wont support flash, its arm6 and at this time the flash libraries are arm7.
2) We won't have it officially on the Eris, there wont be any rooting it. It will have to be ported or compiled for th eris, and installed on a pre rooted phone.
3) There is not any one who "rooted" this on the droid, all droid installed are after market or developer installs, and are installed on prerooted phones.
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how verizon has treated eris owners. it is capable of far more than what verizon released it with. if they would have maxed it out and marketed it, it would probably be one of the top cell phone sellers. and verizon should continue to support this device considering of when they took it out of the stores was recently. they should be required to support it for 2 years after it was pulled for the customers who purchased it at the last minute so they will be taken care of through their 2 year contract. dont have us sign 2year contracts if your not gonna support the product for the period of our contract.
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1. If you don't mind me asking how exactly did Verizon treat Eris owners so poorly?
2. Just because Verizon has stopped selling the Eris does not mean they wont continue to support peoples hardware issues.
3. They don't owe you anything, lots of people buy cell phones when they are end of life. All those smart phones & feature phones that you see as "free" or less than $100 are more than likely EOL.
I'm wondering, once Google releases the source code for 2.2 and we get some roms cooking, will they be on the new boot loader so us people with 1.49 S-ON or one of the unrootable leaks can root to a new rom?
I read on Engadget that the Droid Eris will not be getting the 2.2 Froyo update. Anybody else hear this? It's a shame, considering it seems that 2.2 runs great on my Eris. I'm sure we will see a little spike in these forums with "zomg how do haxxor Eris I wnt Froyo plz halp". What does everybody think of this news from Verizon? Smart move, or mistake?
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This has been known for some time now. The Eris has been discontinued and therefore Verizon, has no obligation to remain updating our devices. I feel it is a mistake, judging from all of the Eris users, but what're ya gonna do? Haha
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This has been known forever, they just finally told us outright.
Though it's a shame that Verizon will not be giving the eris any more updates it's understandable. You can see in our roms that our phones don't benefit greatly from Froyo. There's a light increase in speed and stability but our phones just weren't meant to deal with these things. Putting newer software on an older device isn't always going to lead to speed increases.
Basically, it sucks, but it makes sense.
after rooting i don't need verizon to push froyo. plenty of froyo roms to choose from here.
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after rooting i don't need verizon to push froyo. plenty of froyo roms to choose from here.
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Very true. And the froyo rom choices we have here probably run better that what verizon would have pushed out.
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Very true. And the froyo rom choices we have here probably run better that what verizon would have pushed out.
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every custom rom (2.1 or 2.2) from XDA are 100000% better than the crap Verizon put out. No comparison.
I'm happy with my phone rooted running Tazz 6.0 vanilla.
It only makes sense because the phone is discontinued, other than that its stupid cause the phone still has not been out for a long enough time to not receive updates seeing how most that bought the phone has not had it long enough to upgrade
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It makes little difference to me what Verizon does. I'll have my Eris till I'm due for an upgrade or it dies or gets lost. When my 2 years are up, I'll shop all the major service providers for the best deal.
Corporations have no customer loyalty, and I have no brand loyalty. Our objectives are the same; nothing personal, its about the bottom line.
Besides, Xda's dev and tech support is better service than I've ever gotten from a cell phone provider. Donate what you can when you can.
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It makes little difference to me what Verizon does. I'll have my Eris till I'm due for an upgrade or it dies or gets lost. When my 2 years are up, I'll shop all the major service providers for the best deal.
Corporations have no customer loyalty, and I have no brand loyalty. Our objectives are the same; nothing personal, its about the bottom line.
Besides, Xda's dev and tech support is better service than I've ever gotten from a cell phone provider. Donate what you can when you can.
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Verizon does have good coverage at least.
amfetamine said:
It makes little difference to me what Verizon does. I'll have my Eris till I'm due for an upgrade or it dies or gets lost. When my 2 years are up, I'll shop all the major service providers for the best deal.
Corporations have no customer loyalty, and I have no brand loyalty. Our objectives are the same; nothing personal, its about the bottom line.
Besides, Xda's dev and tech support is better service than I've ever gotten from a cell phone provider. Donate what you can when you can.
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Ill have to fully agree with that.. My phone has been a lot better off with the creation coming from the dev's here.. and as soon as im able to upgrade ill be doing the same and as soon as i recieve that phone ill be rooting and flashing custom roms
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Verizon does have good coverage at least.
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True on a national scale. I happen to live in an area where the big four all have good coverage.
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SicNside said:
Ill have to fully agree with that.. My phone has been a lot better off with the creation coming from the dev's here.. and as soon as im able to upgrade ill be doing the same and as soon as i recieve that phone ill be rooting and flashing custom roms
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Absolutely. And Also, more choices and if you're not satisfied with one rom, you can try another till you find the best match for you.
Also, bug reports are acknowledged and addressed as soon as possible. While Verizon tends to publicly deny or ignore or shift blame until months later they might release a patch.
We really have a good thing going here with some great devs. And you can learn alot too and do your own tinkering if you want to.
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Also, bug reports are acknowledged and addressed as soon as possible. While Verizon tends to publicly deny or ignore or shift blame until months later they might release a patch.
We really have a good thing going here with some great devs. And you can learn alot too and do your own tinkering if you want to.
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Very true
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I AGREE.
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every custom rom (2.1 or 2.2) from XDA are 100000% better than the crap Verizon put out. No comparison.
I'm happy with my phone rooted running Tazz 6.0 vanilla.
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I believe it is a mistake since Eris users are still under contract and cannot afford to buy a new phone outright. The service that Verizon has given the Eris has really disgruntled me with them to the point that I am actually considering switching networks over this. I just bought my Eris in March and 6 months into the contract (and 5 Replacements later) the phone is not even supported anymore. So I have a year left before my upgrade date to think about how much Verizon screwed us. I understand they don't sell the phone anymore, but they still have plenty of customers under contract. It is obvious that once they make the initial sale, they no longer care about us until it is time for contract renewal.
That's why I got away from Verizon when my contract ran out. They aren't very customer focused imo. I use a Verizon MVNO, and I have a tiny data budget each month, but it really doesn't matter much as I use WIFI most of the time (home and work). It's much cheaper too, and I still get to use Verizon's network.
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every custom rom (2.1 or 2.2) from XDA are 100000% better than the crap Verizon put out. No comparison.
I'm happy with my phone rooted running Tazz 6.0 vanilla.
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My wife has the Droid incredible and she has the 2.2 update applied to it. Let me be the first to say its no different than 2.1. I've played around with it a fair amount and side by side other than being inherently faster due to the 1.0 ghz its no diff than the stock Eris as far as functionality goes. Our froyo roms that are developed are by far better imo than the stock update
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I believe it is a mistake since Eris users are still under contract and cannot afford to buy a new phone outright. The service that Verizon has given the Eris has really disgruntled me with them to the point that I am actually considering switching networks over this. I just bought my Eris in March and 6 months into the contract (and 5 Replacements later) the phone is not even supported anymore. So I have a year left before my upgrade date to think about how much Verizon screwed us. I understand they don't sell the phone anymore, but they still have plenty of customers under contract. It is obvious that once they make the initial sale, they no longer care about us until it is time for contract renewal.
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You're a bit confused. Verizon has gone beyond what I ever expected when it comes to Eris support. Verizon gave us that most recent July Update with a new radio and bug fix.
What people fail to understand is that froyo on our phone is pretty much wasted on us.
ex: Our phones jump from 250 to 450 (app.) quadrant scores. Our phones get an added 2mflops ~~. That's the jump from 2.1 to 2.2.
That's a tiny jump, not even 2x the quadrant score, and a measly 2mflops.
Look at the incredible, it jumps from mflops of 5.2 to 28. The change is much more significant and clear.
In summation, Verizon spending time and money on updates for our phone would be useless since our phones hardware is so underwhelming.
[soapbox]The news doesn't surprise or upset me. I wish it weren't so, but only because having an official Eris Sense Froyo ROM as a base could only improve Froyo (plus bring Froyo+Sense) ROMs on the Eris. I would guess this is the major reason most people on here don't like that we're not getting the updates.
With the custom ROMs we have already, the Eris is such a great phone, and it wouldn't be much if any return on investment for HTC/Verizon to bother with Froyo on this retired phone. Acting the devil's advocate, what's good for Verizon is good for us (in general, not necessarily always). If they don't spend resources and money on "x", then they don't have to raise our rates or cut other services to help fund some expenditures. It wouldn't happen immediately but it's inevitable that it would eventually. The longer they can put it off, the better for us.
After all, do any of us who run custom ROMs on our Eris think that our phone sucks? If you do, you either are using the wrong ROM or are unrealistic in your expectations.
Sorry for the rant!!![/soapbox]
I think the Eris running KaosFroyo is awesome but that's not going to stop me from jumping over to Sprint for an EVO. The fact that verizon has outright stated that they will be offering tiered Data (with good reason, they're collapsing in the face of the smartphone revolution) in addition to a not insignificant price difference combined with their lack of customer focus adds up to an account loss.
I love the verizon network, but when you can hack a PRL that roams onto it and can do so voice and data for free? Even the network loses a mark. One thing I am doing for sure though when I jump ship is I am going to offer my twice used (I bought it used) eris right here to a developer for cheap before I take it to ebay. As my last act of support for the community.
Hello all, I'm currently using a Nexus One on T-Mo but am probably going to jump back to Sprint here soon. I had been looking to get the Evo3D, but fear that it's going to be locked down as the Thuderbolt was. I understand you guy were able to gain root on the Thunderbolt recently, but only because you got an engineering something or other, I don't remember exactly. My question here is, what would the chances have been of the phone being rooted the normal brute force way. Would we have been looking at possibly months or more, or was it just a matter of days. I ask cause if the Evo3D is going to be locked down and may take months or more to crack, I may just go with the Nexus S for now.
Well it looks like HTCs phones are going to be locked up tight. Not really sure about the EVO3D but I wouldn't be surprised if it had a locked bootloader etc.
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Well it looks like HTCs phones are going to be locked up tight. Not really sure about the EVO3D but I wouldn't be surprised if it had a locked bootloader etc.
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Yeah... HTC makes me sad all day for locking their bootloaders, samsung is looking more and more attractive. Sammy's phones don't even put up a fight, sometimes getting root before they're even released to general public
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Yeah... HTC makes me sad all day for locking their bootloaders, samsung is looking more and more attractive. Sammy's phones don't even put up a fight, sometimes getting root before they're even released to general public
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Cause the TB wasn't rooted before it came out right?
Samsung is looking attractive just because they don't lock their bootloaders? What kind of logic is that? Look at the Galaxy series, those phones were crap, full of lag, horrible GPS, etc.
Yes and our GPS works flawlessly
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Yes and our GPS works flawlessly
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Mine sure does. A thousand times better than my Facinate did.
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Cause the TB wasn't rooted before it came out right?
Samsung is looking attractive just because they don't lock their bootloaders? What kind of logic is that? Look at the Galaxy series, those phones were crap, full of lag, horrible GPS, etc.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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I was just referring to the first "Galaxy" set that came out. The S 4G, S II, and their releases this year have been stellar. But neither of those are on VZW . I would snatch up the SII in a second if it was on VZW.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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I'm in the same boat. I'm not going to buy a phone that's locked up tight. HTC better learn real quick that there are a lot of people like this. I was going to buy a honeycomb tablet if they came out with one because based on their phones I figured it would be pretty open. Now it looks like I'll have to go elsewhere. Maybe since a tablet won't be tied to a carrier they'll be more relaxed. I hope anyway...
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I'm in the same boat. I'm not going to buy a phone that's locked up tight. HTC better learn real quick that there are a lot of people like this. I was going to buy a honeycomb tablet if they came out with one because based on their phones I figured it would be pretty open. Now it looks like I'll have to go elsewhere. Maybe since a tablet won't be tied to a carrier they'll be more relaxed. I hope anyway...
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I hear you. Some company will eventually embrace modders and devs, I just wanted it to be HTC. Oh well, sad day
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It seems we've gone a bit off topic. I have been reading all the comments and have learned that Sammy isn't doing what HTC is starting to do with locking their bootloaders, something I didn't know before this thread, good to know. But the question I presented hasn't really been answered yet. How long, rough gestimation, would it take to crack the bootloader of the new phones HTC is coming out with. Are we talking weeks or months or more. I know this a question that can't be easily answered with a specific answer, but I'm looking more for how likely they are to be cracked in a timely manner. I'm not a hacker, cracker or code breaker so I really don't even know where to begin with trying to answer this question, hence why I put it forth here, on the forum of a phone that was locked and got unlocked hoping a dev could give me some info on weather getting the forthcoming Evo3D is a good idea for someone who want's to root the phone. I am however leaning back towards the Nexus s 4G because of this thread, but since money won't allow that at the moment, I'm exploring my options until the time I can afford a new phone.
The thunderbolt was rooted becuase we reverted to an older leaked rom which allowed us to bypass the whole signed bootloader. (I think) You might want to look into the incredible s which was released several months ago and has yet to me cracked. The security measures taken to lock down the G2 are not the same as the ones used on newer HTC devices. I don't think we'll be seeing any permanent root access HTC in a long time. Months at the very least.
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The thunderbolt was rooted becuase we reverted to an older leaked rom which allowed us to bypass the whole signed bootloader. (I think) You might want to look into the incredible s which was released several months ago and has yet to me cracked. The security measures taken to lock down the G2 are not the same as the ones used on newer HTC devices. I don't think we'll be seeing any permanent root access HTC in a long time. Months at the very least.
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Thank you, that was exactly what I was looking for. Sad news indeed. I'm guessing the Nexus S 4G is where I'm headed then, unless a Galaxy S 2 is slated to come out on sprint anytime soon that is. I'd really like to get a root-able, dual core, high resolution, bad ass phone if I'm going to be upgrading from my N1.
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Thank you, that was exactly what I was looking for. Sad news indeed. I'm guessing the Nexus S 4G is where I'm headed then, unless a Galaxy S 2 is slated to come out on sprint anytime soon that is. I'd really like to get a root-able, dual core, high resolution, bad ass phone if I'm going to be upgrading from my N1.
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I've been reading around about this (disappointing) news of HTC's lockdown using signed bootloaders, etc. and from what I have read, it seems like the crackers have indicated they are going to have a helluva time. A few tweets from jcase's twiiter page (whose opinions I personally value, YMMV):
If you want root, don't buy an yet to be rooted phone
[email protected] signed recovery, signed kernel, signed hboot, and write protection. won't buy [email protected] devices like that
HTC now MORE dev unfriendly than Motorola.
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Looks pretty dreary for new HTC phones.
Droid, which has signed bootloader, is still locked, and it's pretty long on the market. It's a matter of years, if not eternity. It's f***ing hard to crack those keys.
What I don't understand is why HTC is doing this. You might think that it's the carriers pressuring them, but if Sammy, Sony Erricson, and Moto are or are soon going to be releasing phone without locked bootloaders, why does HTC feel the need to start now when they haven't in the past?
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What I don't understand is why HTC is doing this. You might think that it's the carriers pressuring them, but if Sammy, Sony Erricson, and Moto are or are soon going to be releasing phone without locked bootloaders, why does HTC feel the need to start now when they haven't in the past?
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It's a pretty simple answer. Money.
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It's a pretty simple answer. Money.
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How does a locked bootloader equal money?
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How does a locked bootloader equal money?
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Easy, keeps people using htc products, and makes us pay for tethering. Also makes sure that they know what ruu you're using.... Sucks
Edit: or whatever manufacturer made your device
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Easy, keeps people using htc products
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How
and makes us pay for tethering.
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The carriers have already shown that they can detect unofficial tethering
Also makes sure that they know what ruu you're using
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Why does it matter?
I know this is the EVO 3D forum so opinions will lean that way but I'm going back to Sprint from T-Mobile. Should I get the 3D or wait a month and get the Motorola Photon? Which will be the better phone?
Depends on what you are looking for. If 3 matters obviously the 3d. If you are a sense fan then the 3d as well. However I kind of like that the photon has some of the things the 3vo is missing. For one the kickstand not deal breaker but it comes in handy and an 8Mp camera with 1080p video as opposed to 5mp with 720p. Now the big draw back. The motorolla is supposed to ship with a locked bootloader. So if you like to run roms you are rolling the dice. It may or may not be unlocked at a future date. Personally I trust the 3vo to be rooted much sooner than the photon. All that said check out the Samsung Nexus II as well. Looks to be a contender.
Can anyone dispute the claim made in this article about Motorola?
http://www.nzweek.com/technology/motorola-will-unlock-bootloader-3573/
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Depends on what you are looking for. If 3 matters obviously the 3d. If you are a sense fan then the 3d as well. However I kind of like that the photon has some of the things the 3vo is missing. For one the kickstand not deal breaker but it comes in handy and an 8Mp camera with 1080p video as opposed to 5mp with 720p. Now the big draw back. The motorolla is supposed to ship with a locked bootloader. So if you like to run roms you are rolling the dice. It may or may not be unlocked at a future date. Personally I trust the 3vo to be rooted much sooner than the photon. All that said check out the Samsung Nexus II as well. Looks to be a contender.
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Can anyone dispute the claim made in this article about Motorola?
http://www.nzweek.com/technology/motorola-will-unlock-bootloader-3573/
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I'm just saying thats on the word of a dude on twitter and then it says at the end of the year and at the discrection of the carrier. Either way it is supposed to ship with a locked bootloader and you will likely be waiting a while. IMHO thats a crap shoot you may or may not get an unlocked bootloader. I wish it wasn't so I really like this phone better than the 3vo for my personal needs but what to do.
Isn't the 3vo going to be locked as well to start? I know HTC came out and said they will no longer lock bootloaders, but there seems to be no confirmation on 1.) If they will even allow the 3vo to be unlocked, and 2.) If so, when that will happen. It's all a crapshoot I guess.
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I'm just saying thats on the word of a dude on twitter and then it says at the end of the year and at the discrection of the carrier. Either way it is supposed to ship with a locked bootloader and you will likely be waiting a while. IMHO thats a crap shoot you may or may not get an unlocked bootloader. I wish it wasn't so I really like this phone better than the 3vo for my personal needs but what to do.
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another turn off from the photon is the pentile screen
Good point maximus I'm just going off past performance and HTC's official stance to disable the bootloaders. I trust them more to follow through than Motorola but alas this is all just my opinion.
It all depends on HTC I guess. There are going to be a lot of disappointed 3vo owners if they finally realize after a few weeks that the devs can't work miracles and unlock encrypted bootloaders. No custom ROMs or modifications unless HTC comes through.
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Good point maximus I'm just going off past performance and HTC's official stance to disable the bootloaders. I trust them more to follow through than Motorola but alas this is all just my opinion.
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It all depends on HTC I guess. There are going to be a lot of disappointed 3vo owners if they finally realize after a few weeks that the devs can't work miracles and unlock encrypted bootloaders. No custom ROMs or modifications unless HTC comes through.
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HTC has already confirmed the 3d will be unlocked....they specifically said the 3d so that's not a question.
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Can you provide a link? I haven't read that yet.
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HTC has already confirmed the 3d will be unlocked....they specifically said the 3d so that's not a question.
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all of the phones are locked right? doesn't it come down to being encrypted or not?
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Can you provide a link? I haven't read that yet.
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Its somewhere in this board back when HTC announced they changed their policy. The email directly from the CEO specifically said the 3d would be unlocked. Can't recall the title of the thread but there were multiple.
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That's great he said that, but will that be next month or in 6 months? No one knows really, and he may have said that at the time to calm people down who were angry over it. I'm not saying HTC is going to go back on their word, but there still is nothing set in stone in my book.
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Its somewhere in this board back when HTC announced they changed their policy. The email directly from the CEO specifically said the 3d would be unlocked. Can't recall the title of the thread but there were multiple.
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That's great he said that, but will that be next month or in 6 months? No one knows really, and he may have said that at the time to calm people down who were angry over it. I'm not saying HTC is going to go back on their word, but there still is nothing set in stone in my book.
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OK. That's your opinion. But given that the appropriate devs have the Eng bootloader in hand already, I would expect root not too long after its released....assuming no encryption. But well see I guess.
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There's going to be a massive flood of these things on eBay in about 4-6 months if they don't unencrypt it, and the "next" best thing comes along. I think part of the success of the evo4g was the development aspect of it. I just hope HTC realizes that. Could have great potential if they push an update out fairly quickly so there is an easy method to root.
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OK. That's your opinion. But given that the appropriate devs have the Eng bootloader in hand already, I would expect root not too long after its released....assuming no encryption. But well see I guess.
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There's going to be a massive flood of these things on eBay in about 4-6 months if they don't unencrypt it, and the "next" best thing comes along. I think part of the success of the evo4g was the development aspect of it. I just hope HTC realizes that. Could have great potential if they push an update out fairly quickly so there is an easy method to root.
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If it is encrypted at launch I would expect an ota update fairly quickly the next day or so to fix it. After all the bad press I doubt they will drop the ball on this issue.
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As far as the Photon being locked it will be. Now As far as that memo, There are bits and pieces missing. However it's not the 1st Motorola has said it will no longer lock the phones down. in fact every time I have seen this pop up it's been almost the exact same thing, even the "by the end of the year." But I have also read multiple times that that statements means phones coming out at the end of the year the Photon is not included in that group. I believe if you look on XDA as well as the internet you can find that to be true.
I just want to make sure I get the best phone out there and don't miss out. I sign up with Sprint on the 23rd to take advantage of the switch over deal and will get the EVO 4g . The 3D comes out the next day and I read somewhere the Photon comes out in July possibly the 21st. I don't want to use a free exchange in the 1 month time period only to be disappointed I didn't wait for the other phone
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I just want to make sure I get the best phone out there and don't miss out. I sign up with Sprint on the 23rd to take advantage of the switch over deal and will get the EVO 4g . The 3D comes out the next day and I read somewhere the Photon comes out in July possibly the 21st. I don't want to use a free exchange in the 1 month time period only to be disappointed I didn't wait for the other phone
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The cool thing about the Photon is it has HDMI out AND Micro USB port (so it can charge while playing movies (using the two cables at once). As for the EVO 3D, it has a new technology that lets HDMI charge the phone while it's plugged into the TV for HDMI out, however NO tvs out currently support this feature, so you will have to buy an adapter.
Tegra 2 CPU (Photon) is weaker than Snapdragon (EVO 3D). They're both dual core and really fast, but EVO should be superior in most situations. Motorola has stated that the bootloader is unlocked, but some rumors have it that it's still locked down tight and uncrackable (see Droid 2). This definitely makes me lean towards HTC. One more thing, HTC seems to have alot more development behind it (far more than any other manufacturer (Samsung's catching up!). To be honest, your choices should be between the GSII (Samsung within for Sprint) or the EVO 3D.
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There's going to be a massive flood of these things on eBay in about 4-6 months if they don't unencrypt it, and the "next" best thing comes along. I think part of the success of the evo4g was the development aspect of it. I just hope HTC realizes that. Could have great potential if they push an update out fairly quickly so there is an easy method to root.
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That will not have any short term impact on HTC. The amount of us that would sell would have no effect on them.
However, it's people like us that most others go to for phone advice. Once as a company loses our trust and favor the fallout regarding future phones will be exponential.
The important thing is that it will hopefully not be encrypted.
This is an excerpt from an email conversation with HTC:
"I thank you for sending an email about unlocking the boot loader mode on the new HTC EVO 3D. I understand you would like to unlock the boot loader mode on your Android device but there has been no decision about which devices will be unlocked. I would suggest that you keep an eye on the HTC regional website at www.htc.com/US under the Home tab."
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This is an excerpt from an email conversation with HTC:
"I thank you for sending an email about unlocking the boot loader mode on the new HTC EVO 3D. I understand you would like to unlock the boot loader mode on your Android device but there has been no decision about which devices will be unlocked. I would suggest that you keep an eye on the HTC regional website at www.htc.com/US under the Home tab."
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Figures. I emailed them as well, no response back yet. When I do hear from them it will probably be a generic response like the one you received.
their ceo sent out an email saying they would unlock it. if they renig on this they are in for some trouble
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their ceo sent out an email saying they would unlock it. if they renig on this they are in for some trouble
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Yes and i think it was posted on the HTC facebook page.
Just figured I would post to help make more noise about it. Noise seems to help make things happen sometimes. Other times it is just noise though.....
I had actually emailed asking for the SMART_IO.CRD file to help with some development work I didn't mention boot loaders or unlocking or rooting. Somewhat surprised at the response for their general support desk. lol
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their ceo sent out an email saying they would unlock it. if they renig on this they are in for some trouble
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Yep.
They have about 28 days to figure it out for me. Keep lighting up their Facebook. E-mail is good, but public exposure on places like Facebook and Twitter is the best.
They are going to F everybody over with these corporate stall tactics... I'm holding off until this ***** is unlocked.
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They are going to F everybody over with these corporate stall tactics... I'm holding off until this ***** is unlocked.
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Ditto.
And in reality, I'm leaning heavily towards the Photon or SGS2 now. The SGS2 is already unlocked, and with today's news that the Atrix was unlocked via a leaked 2.3.3 upgrade and that the official 2.3.3 upgrade will be unlocked, it sounds like the Photon will probably ship unlocked as well.
I've loved HTC, but I'm not interested in dealing with a company that's openly deceptive.
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Ditto.
And in reality, I'm leaning heavily towards the Photon or SGS2 now. The SGS2 is already unlocked, and with today's news that the Atrix was unlocked via a leaked 2.3.3 upgrade and that the official 2.3.3 upgrade will be unlocked, it sounds like the Photon will probably ship unlocked as well.
I've loved HTC, but I'm not interested in dealing with a company that's openly deceptive.
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Motorola has already said that it will not unlock the Photon.
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Motorola has already said that it will not unlock the Photon.
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When? Moto said a while back that they were going to stop locking all future phones to my knowledge.
Edit: NM, just found it. However, that just says it won't ship unlocked, and it's a month old. If the Atrix will be unlocked with their GB update, I would be surprised if the Photon doesn't follow suit very quickly... unless it's sprint who's actually pulling the strings here.
Is it a carrier branded device. ? It'll be locked.
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Motorola has already said that it will not unlock the Photon.
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all they stated was that it wasnt unlockable/relockable, could have a xoom style bootloader for all we know.
what moto said is that they will release software that will unlock devices later in the year. As to which specific devices will get the unlock functionality, that will be the decision of the carriers.
This was one of the major reasons I said I wasn't picking up this phone on launch day. There is no guarantee this thing will ever be unlocked, regardless of what HTC said a few weeks ago. From what I gather, they never specifically stated the Evo 3D would be unlocked, just future phones. Considering the phone was already in production when they made that statement, they might not think it's worth putting the effort to unlock it at this point.
Also, I checked out the phone at my local Sprint store and wasn't impressed at all. I'll see what the SGSII or the Photon has to offer when those are released.
Keep on the assault on facebook! The second we slow down is when they decide that eventually we will forget about it and not do anything about it.
Someone with more free time than myself should make a countdown timer to 29 days after launch and feature it in a petition to return evo 3d's if htc keeps playing the waiting game.
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Someone with more free time than myself should make a countdown timer to 29 days after launch and feature it in a petition to return evo 3d's if htc keeps playing the waiting game.
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i totally agree with this..
and also i agree everyone needs to keep the Assault on the facebook page.. maybe if enough ppl sit there and ***** they will do something about it.. cause this is some serious bull****.. the CEO wasnt the only one who said something about the unlocking of the bootloaders.. but there was a post from a HTC DEV that the EVO 3D would SHIP UNLOCKED!! so this bull**** with them saying "FUTURE DEVICES" is exactly that BULL****...
I WILL BE DOING A COUNTDOWN ON THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE.. SEEMS LIKE A GOOD WAY TO DO IT.. EVERYONE GETS ON FB ATLEAST ONCE A DAY SO THAT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY OF DOING IT..
hit their twitter page also.. @HTC.. i am.. looks like they more actively watch their twitter page.. been following them for days now and who ever is watching it replys to almost everyone!!. just a thought..
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Someone with more free time than myself should make a countdown timer to 29 days after launch and feature it in a petition to return evo 3d's if htc keeps playing the waiting game.
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Ask and Ye shall receive.
bit.ly/HTC-UnlockOrWeWalk
As much as I want to believe that HTC is going to come though, I am cautious through past experience. Companies move SLOW. Right hands don't talk to the Left Hands, and before you know it, we're in the same club as some of the Motto people. I don't want to be in that club!
I want a device where I am FREE to choose what I may do with it, warranty or not. Free to utilize the device to its FULL capability and NOT be bogged down by bulky code or bloatware.
For the clock, I've set some parameters.
Date: Set for the earliest of the 30 Day period starting June 21st, the day users were able to start ordering the phone. You may argue that it shouldn't start till the 22nd, but I've worked retail, I've seen some of the BS Reps try to pull with 30 day technicalities. The clock goes till 9pm, the bleeding edge of the return policy for brick and mortar stores.
Time Zone: Set for Eastern as this would be the time zone in the United States to be affected first.
people need to tweet and post on the facebook page..
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people need to tweet and post on the facebook page..
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done and done.