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Will someone develop a Sense-like ROM, once development gets underway for the Photon? I really liked Sense, but did not like the 3vo's sound/speaker quality. I would love a sense ROM on the Photon.
Is it possible to strip the sense interface from 3vo and stick it on the Photon? Will this only be possible if bootloader is cracked or would it be possible with root only?
Sorry if the question is redundant or too simplistic for this forum.
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kimmied2000 said:
noob question...
Will someone develop a Sense-like ROM, once development gets underway for the Photon? I really liked Sense, but did not like the 3vo's sound/speaker quality. I would love a sense ROM on the Photon.
Is it possible to strip the sense interface from 3vo and stick it on the Photon? Will this only be possible if bootloader is cracked or would it be possible with root only?
Sorry if the question is redundant or too simplistic for this forum.
Thanks.
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it can be done but why? it's like a beautiful woman with a snaggletooth she's perfect till she smiles and ruins everything...
I honestly don't understand why everyone raves about sense. Yeah, its pretty, but never really added any functionality for me. I had an evo, and had a Evo Shift and the first chance I had to dump sense, I did.
I loved touchwiz on my epic, because it was basically just stock, tweaked a little.
To me HTC Sense is bloated and unnecessary. When you can't do certain things in sense that you can in stock android, it seems pointless.
Also, I don't know why everyone hates on blur. I know the old blur sucked, but whatever Ninja or Ghost blur the photon is running I absolutely LOVE.
@randomrobbi - "When you can't do certain things in sense that you can in stock android, it seems pointless"...maybe I missed something...what can't you do with sense that you can with stock?
The thing I miss most about sense is the widgets, especially the email one. It would show unread push email from several accounts including an exchange account and gmail. I liked that it would show the unread count immediately like photon does for voicemail.
I also liked the unlock screen where you could drag the slider circle to one of 4 apps that you want to use immediately.
And, yes, it was pretty. Couldn't a sense ROM have the bloatware stripped from it so that wouldn't be an issue?
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@randomrobbi - "When you can't do certain things in sense that you can in stock android, it seems pointless"...maybe I missed something...what can't you do with sense that you can with stock?
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I guess I misspoke about that. It's just harder to carry out some actions in sense, as compared to stock android. Like hitting dialer, and being able to easily access your starred contacts. I just felt like Sense added alot of extra steps to simple actions. I guess i'm just biased, but the first android I owned was an HTC Hero, which I never rooted or put a rom on. I didnt keep it long and went back to my blackberry. I've just always been more a fan of AOSP Android.
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I also liked the unlock screen where you could drag the slider circle to one of 4 apps that you want to use immediately.
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kimmie...try out THIS lockscreen. Same as the Sense one Agile Lock Screen
Also...I miss the Sense 3.0 Notification bar. Effin amazing. Has tons of toggles, quick access to apps, etc. Was so convenient & slick.
I'm sure I'm also in the minority but I happen to really like Sense, both visually and from an ease of use standpoint when setting up new devices. That said, I often turn a lot of those things off, or flip back and forth between various launchers but I still miss it sometimes. DEFINITELY agree about the Notifications, those are just the way I'd like them to be.
I'd love to see an installable Sense but it seems pretty deeply entangled in the rest of the system, just like Blur, so I dont know how well it'd work as a standalone.
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I'm sure I'm also in the minority but I happen to really like Sense, both visually and from an ease of use standpoint when setting up new devices. That said, I often turn a lot of those things off, or flip back and forth between various launchers but I still miss it sometimes. DEFINITELY agree about the Notifications, those are just the way I'd like them to be.
I'd love to see an installable Sense but it seems pretty deeply entangled in the rest of the system, just like Blur, so I dont know how well it'd work as a standalone.
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Im coming out of the closet too. I love the build and accessories of the Photon but im so damn used to Sense. Its like driving home from work, sure there are many ways but after awhile you find and get used to the fastest and easiest way home. Vogue, TP, TP2, Evo 4G and Evo 3D...currently Photon. Some days I forget how to get home.
Oh how about a touchwiz 4.0 like rom I really do miss my quick panel in the notification bar it was really handy :/
With the HTC Sense api recently available, i am sure that someone will start creating widgets and icons etc for other non-sense devices.
hmmm that didn't sound right, oh well, hope you guys know what I mean. lol
TS out
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Im coming out of the closet too. I love the build and accessories of the Photon but im so damn used to Sense. Its like driving home from work, sure there are many ways but after awhile you find and get used to the fastest and easiest way home. Vogue, TP, TP2, Evo 4G and Evo 3D...currently Photon. Some days I forget how to get home.
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Ifeel the same, I love the Motorola Photon... better speaker, better signal strength, call quality is better also... It just seems to be a little stronger over all.... But I miss the Sense 3.0. Sense is fluid with no lag.
The Motorola Blur has a slight delay when switching back and forth between home screens. I used to miss the graphical HTC widgets, but i have beautiful widgets for that so i am not realy missing anything. I just miss the speed and fluidness of Sense technology.
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Ifeel the same, I love the Motorola Photon... better speaker, better signal strength, call quality is better also... It just seems to be a little stronger over all.... But I miss the Sense 3.0. Sense is fluid with no lag.
The Motorola Blur has a slight delay when switching back and forth between home screens. I used to miss the graphical HTC widgets, but i have beautiful widgets for that so i am not realy missing anything. I just miss the speed and fluidness of Sense technology.
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The Delay can be removed with the super charger script, my buddy's Photon is now just about as smooth/quick as my Syngery Evo
The delay can be removed by adding launcher pro, turning off screen animations and putting all speed at 10... fastest phone out there then, faster and smoother than evo 3d.. i know because ive owned both lol
Edit: i know a lot of people prefer adw or GO but i dig LauncherPro.. also dont care about the updates as much because cool thing about blur is that you can use the widgets still once the overlay is installed, unlike sense.
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The delay can be removed by adding launcher pro, turning off screen animations and putting all speed at 10... fastest phone out there then, faster and smoother than evo 3d.. i know because ive owned both lol
Edit: i know a lot of people prefer adw or GO but i dig LauncherPro.. also dont care about the updates as much because cool thing about blur is that you can use the widgets still once the overlay is installed, unlike sense.
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What the hell are you doing back here? According to your thread in the 3d forums, this phone is a piece of ****. However your info about launcher pro and the settings is correct.
I don't understand the hate for the M.A.P. launcher I actually dig it
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Try Launcher Pro as the launcher, register it for the senselike social widget, and get Weather & Toggle Widgets and tbe weather widget forecast addon for your flip clock. This makes for a NICE senselike alternative.
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Oh how about a touchwiz 4.0 like rom I really do miss my quick panel in the notification bar it was really handy :/
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I think any phone with ClockworkMod Recovery can flash TW 4.0. It said that on the homepage awhile ago. Go to the Galaxy S i9000 forums in the Themes and Apps section and one of them is flashable I think and works on any device.
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I think any phone with ClockworkMod Recovery can flash TW 4.0. It said that on the homepage awhile ago. Go to the Galaxy S i9000 forums in the Themes and Apps section and one of them is flashable I think and works on any device.
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Dude remember how unstable it was on our EPICS? I wonder if it has gotten any better though
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I honestly don't understand why everyone raves about sense. Yeah, its pretty, but never really added any functionality for me. I had an evo, and had a Evo Shift and the first chance I had to dump sense, I did.
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I used to be a sense guy too.. I mean.. compared to stock android... it blows it out of the water... After getting the Evo I got my wife a Samsung Moment... I upgraded it to 2.2 but I never saw stock android before... I thought it was still 1.5 or something because I couldn't believe stock android looked that bad...
Stock android is ugly as sin.. and the widgets are less than ****.
But then I found Launcher Pro and its "almost-like-sense" widgets for calendar and facebook and I've never looked back. I loved Evo Deck on my Evo and Evo Shift Deck on my wifes phone because it is CM7 with ADW Craplauncher removed and LP added... a much better choice I must say.
LP's widgets are the only thing close to Sense's widgets so until another launcher starts pushing good widgets... I'll never leave.
So to answer the OP... Launcher Pro is the only Sense-like option you have... combined with Fancy Widgets for the flip clock (its the only one that does auto-update of weather based on GPS.)
Started along my Android journey 2 weeks ago by selling my.iPhone 4 and buying a Motorola milestone 2 phone and now a HTC flyer 3g.
sorta got used to the hardware buttons on the flyer. will HC remove their functionality completely or is it likely to come back at some stage? does anyone know why they have been removed?
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Hardware buttons are not able to be used in hc by Google's design. Will have to stick with GB or wait till ICS if you want them back.
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thanks for the answer. what noticeable benefits with HC? I I might stay with GB as I really like the hardware buttons
Just flashed hc and really like so far, the os is much better for tablets, can also use the pen everywhere!
There is a bottom bar instead of hw buttons, and this is fine in portrait mode (which is best for flyer generally), but is more noticable in landscape. I haven't watched any vids yet to know how it affects those
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Not likely they will be back in HC since they are redundant with the on screen system bar which cannot be removed. Use it for a few days and you will forget the hard buttons were even there.
Hardware buttons are removed from Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) as well so I doubt they will be back. Not sure if it is possible for a Developer to make them work on a custom ROM or not. I have been trying ICS on my Evo and my buttons work.
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Hardware buttons are removed from Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) as well so I doubt they will be back. Not sure if it is possible for a Developer to make them work on a custom ROM or not. I have been trying ICS on my Evo and my buttons work.
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I'm pretty sure that if the hardware buttons are on the device they will be used in ICS instead of the on screen buttons. Why waste screen space with the on screen buttons when you have them built in?
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I'm pretty sure that if the hardware buttons are on the device they will be used in ICS instead of the on screen buttons. Why waste screen space with the on screen buttons when you have them built in?
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I guess what I meant to say was they are starting to move away from hardware buttons altogether.
I think ICS has built-in calls to hide the soft-buttons, HC does not. You won;t be seeing a full working ICS for the Flyer anytime soon though. Not until HTC releases a working ROM or a ICS on a HTC device that is close enough to port.
If HC on the Flyer does not use the capacitive buttons, it is not worth it for me losing about 10% of the display in landscape mode. I will not update and thanks for letting me know! Flyer works great already and a 7" tablet IMO is small enough without losing space.
As far as ICS, it has already been pointed out that OEMs can choose to use the capacitive buttons, if a device has them. Imagine the uproar from people with small phone displays if losing space to a nav bar.
Nexus does this, but has a bigger display, so the actual usable display size minus the fixed nav bar is a tad under 4.3". The buttons are only hidden in ICS during some types of video playback, but apparently nothing else. The bar is always there- just like HC.
Added: Since capacitive buttons can be used, I would expect them to be around longer, since cheaper to put capacitive buttons, rather than bigger displays: Also better on battery life.
You do not have to lose the space and get much more back in return
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I'm trying to understand the negative view on the Honeycomb bar. It replaces the system bar, which we have at the top of the screen now, so we don't loose much, right? Perhaps a few more pixels, but...that's it, right?
I do like the hardware buttons, but its not like we're going from no status bar to a huge one; we're going from a smaller one to a slightly larger one with more functionality.
Or am I missing something?
Your not missing anything people are making something out of nearly nothing and are ignoring the drastic user interface improvements. The only time I use honeybar to remove honeycomb bar is if watching videos. Now if I wanted to use my flyer as a phone. That is a different story
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Not seeing how it is something out of nothing, since you lose more than 10% of display space in landscape mode- it is taken by the nav bar. The same one on my Thrive, except it is a 10" display, so not as bad.
Before updating, check out the Acer 7" and see if you like it. I found it cramp and appreciate the extra display space on the Flyer with GB. ICS can use the capacitive buttons and not use the nav bar, but HC can not.
All up to choice. I choose to not have a smaller display on an already small 7" tablet, since the Flyer already has nav buttons. Eveybody else can knock themselves out and enjoy HC Added: As far as rooting to get a work around, my Flyer works great as is, so not risking the root process- Flyer rocks.
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I'm trying to understand the negative view on the Honeycomb bar. It replaces the system bar, which we have at the top of the screen now, so we don't loose much, right? Perhaps a few more pixels, but...that's it, right?
I do like the hardware buttons, but its not like we're going from no status bar to a huge one; we're going from a smaller one to a slightly larger one with more functionality.
Or am I missing something?
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I wish that were the case than you are right- no problem. Thing is the bars in GB go away when playing a game, surfing (if you choose to) or watching a movie. The bar does NOT go away with HC. The buttons darken, but the big bar is still there and over 10% of the display is gone for good.
Incorrect if you use honeybar
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I'm trying to understand the negative view on the Honeycomb bar. It replaces the system bar, which we have at the top of the screen now, so we don't loose much, right? Perhaps a few more pixels, but...that's it, right?
I do like the hardware buttons, but its not like we're going from no status bar to a huge one; we're going from a smaller one to a slightly larger one with more functionality.
Or am I missing something?
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This is the reason..
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Incorrect if you use honeybar
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But need to be rooted to use it. If simple like the Incredible, Droid 3 and Razr, no problem, but the process seems too risky when the Flyer already performs great for me. No need to rock the boat and no need to lose display space to a nav bar.
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I guess when full-screen is no longer really full-screen, I get it. Thanks for the info. I am looking forward to Honeycomb, though...
I might as well whine in here too....
I really really really want at least one hardware (physical) button on the front of device. I don't get it why all manufacturers decided that there is no real need for it. Take the damn ipad for example: that thing is easy to turn on with the front button. I used to have old android phone with Green and Red phone buttons and it was so comfortable to turn on the phone using them. When I upgraded to Galaxy S, man I have missed those... got used to power button with time because device is small. With flyer and other tablets it is a bit different story. It lays on my desk and I have to use two hands to turn on the damn thing. One hand to hold the device, another to push the power button. It is a small thing, but it is quite uncomfortable.
Back to the topic... For those in doubt.. HC upgrade is worth it. You're not loosing much, but overall HC is better IMHO.
Does anybody know a good task manager/killer for HC that maybe integrates with multitasking preview (I know that I'm not supposed to use it... blah...blah...blah...)?
You can use any of the 10 or so task killers on the market, they will all work just as poorly as any for HC. As you have pointed out, not needed and will adversely affect your performance / battery if you try to automate it.
If your device is on the desk, plugged in, just set the display to never time out and you never need to turn it back on....
I got my Transformer Prime earlier today (about 2:00pm to be exact) and I've been screwing with it all day. I love the way it feels and it made me very happy. The whole day I had also been postponing the update...
but I did it. I already miss the looks and feel that honeycomb offered. Yes, the ICS update may bring out the hardware a little more, but why did they "downgrade" some of the niceness of the GUI? The thing I liked about HC was that it felt different. It was a unique tablet OS that wasn't like anything else. Now that it has ICS, it feels like a bigger version of the ICS phone version. Long pressing home screens no longer brings up that convenient, pretty menu, but now just asks for the wallpaper location. The app drawer is no longer transparent and doesn't have that "fade" animation anymore, which I really liked. The home screens now have an unnecessary "dot counter" at the top and the default clock isn't the pretty blue one that I liked anymore. I feel like my first experience with the tablet is now history.
To top it off, the camera feels uglier and takes longer to snap photos. The flash is also messed up, because now when I take photos with the flash they are extremely bright and too white. Before, they would simply be brightened up a little bit.
I know some of this stuff can be fixed with app installs and stuff, but I really loved honeycomb and now I feel like the tablet isn't the same.
I agree whole-heartedly. I never expected to be saying it because I had been convinced by all the hype of how awesome ICS would be. Unfortunately, now that I've updated, I'm realizing that its no upgrade- lots of games/apps no longer work and the UI is only a shadow of its former self (see previous post). Hopefully someone will find a way to get these features to us, before we have to seek the next tablet.
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I'm just hoping when the bootloader gets unlocked that someone makes an optimized honeycomb ROM. I know I'll be installing that for sure..
I think Asus rushed ICS on to the Prime. All the lock ups, freezes etc. Other than that I'm a fan of ICS. Honeycomb is an eyesore compared to it.
Well on top of that, all of the other stock apps seem to be downgraded as well. The calendar no longer has the nice coloring that it had before, the camera is now an ugly gray gradient color and is slow to take pictures, the lock screen no longer "ripples" and doesn't have the sleek animation that it had before, the homescreens now require more distance to swipe through (which is bad for me since I like swiping the corners a lot), the settings screen is all jumbled up, the clock is ugly, the gallery is now 2D and not as "nice" as the old one...need I go on?
ICS is such a downgrade for me. As soon as that bootloader gets unlocked I'm reverting to honeycomb right away.
I find the changes to UI in Android 4.0 as the best thing Android could have done. Native apps look sleek and modern, the sci-fi'ish/TRON coloring of UI itself is perfect for the culture it represents without being a bother for regular users.
I really, really love it.
But people are different, so it's interesting to hear some still prefer Honeycomb.
I love the style of ICS as well; the light blue / gray coloring is awesome. I'm just saying I really loved the black / blue honeycomb a whole lot more. It felt so much less cluttered and it felt "cooler" to me. Now I can't go back for at least a few more weeks
IcS OS the best thing to happen to Prime. Plus it was built for it anyways. People forgetting device was supposed to originally with ICS anyways. Yeah the long press feature on-screen of HC is missed but ill be OK..lol. too many people wanted ICS. ICS did fix alot of issues and speed things up nicely. If we would still be stuck on HC everyone would be crying about it. Plus ICS is the universal version. So phone version supposed to look similar. More n more benefits of ICS will show itself as more updates come. Probably with next update due anyday now.
I know what you mean and I agree with you. ICS definitely is a step forward and it was made to unify the platform and make everything better. My point is that I loved the way honeycomb felt and this is a little less nice in my opinion. Also to be honest I feel like it's slower now..but maybe I'm doing something wrong.
EDIT: Forgot to turn on "Force GPU Rendering" in development settings. It's super smooth now..like really smooth.
I'm glad I disabled my update. I was seeing all the problems people were having with updating to ICS. I think I'll wait until the bootloader is unlocked and we have a working CWM so I can do a nandroid backup before flashing any upgrades.
I'm so glad I've seen this, I thought I was the only one who preferred honeycomb on the prime.
Ics on my sensation = pure awesomeness
ics on my prime = just not as cool
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I like it better (ICS) but where did Riptide go?
All I know is that when I pick up my original Transformer and use it for a few minutes, I'm missing the Prime pretty immediately--and ICS is one of the reasons. I just don't like Honeycomb...
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IcS OS the best thing to happen to Prime. Plus it was built for it anyways. People forgetting device was supposed to originally with ICS anyways.
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I bet the Asus engineers scrambling to figure out the ICS lockup issue and hundreds of Primes owners with $500 paperweights would disagree with this.
Is it possible some of those pretty things in Honeycomb were Asus additions and with them trying to rush ICS out they didn't add those things? I agree, that I thought Honeycomb felt much more refined. I don't dislike ICS though.
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I find the changes to UI in Android 4.0 as the best thing Android could have done. Native apps look sleek and modern, the sci-fi'ish/TRON coloring of UI itself is perfect for the culture it represents without being a bother for regular users.
I really, really love it.
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Yup, ditto.
Just experienced my first lockup/freeze on ICS in the car today. Was testing the IPS+ brightness boost and when I turned it on, the device became unresponsive and rebooted after a few seconds.
There had better be a firmware update quickly, or the unlocked bootloader at least.
EDIT: The camera also now has a flash issue. If you use the flash to take a picture up close to something, the flash will make the picture extremely bright instead of just illuminating the photo; honeycomb did not have this issue. Former macro shots now look like flashbangs.
The only thing that sucks in ICS versus HC, at least in my opinion, is the garbage Gallery app in ICS. In HC, the folders were alphabetically ordered, and you could toggle between viewing only photos or videos. In ICS, the folders a completely random mess that cannot be properly ordered, and the video/photos toggle is gone. This is more on Google than Asus, as the gallery is equally crappy in ICS on my Galaxy Nexus, but it's annoying nonetheless.
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The only thing that sucks in ICS versus HC, at least in my opinion, is the garbage Gallery app in ICS. In HC, the folders were alphabetically ordered, and you could toggle between viewing only photos or videos. In ICS, the folders a completely random mess that cannot be properly ordered, and the video/photos toggle is gone. This is more on Google than Asus, as the gallery is equally crappy in ICS on my Galaxy Nexus, but it's annoying nonetheless.
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Exactly. I know ICS is a great step forward, but it destroyed most of what I liked about honeycomb in the first place.
EDIT: Second lockup just occurred a little while ago while I was looking for an app on the Market. Ugh..
EDIT 2: Another lockup, literally 10 minutes after I turned my device on in the morning..went to select the camera from the lockscreen and bam. THEN, while it was rebooting, it locked up DURING THE BOOT and went back to the splash screen. This is kinda messed up.
Just had two lockups in a row within a 20 minute period. One in the music player, the other in the market (that makes two or three lockups I've had in the market alone so far).
I know everyone is having this issue but jeez..it's happening so frequently.
EDIT: Another lockup by loading up Barcode Scanner for the first time. Yes, I'm kinda using this thread as a way to keep track of my lockups, but maybe it'll help somehow.
I know I read that kernel sources are not yet released for this to happen, is that still the case ? I really miss my buttons on the view, I`m cool with everything else, but I keep pressing it.
Ok I guess I have to be a bit more clear I'm reffering to HC on view and how the disabled hardware buttons and I was told we need kernel source in order to do this
Yes, if you visit http://htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads
You will see that only kernels for Gingerbread are released.
So no go on the buttons ? Life is so much easier with them
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So no go on the buttons ? Life is so much easier with them
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That's one reason I'm not going to apply the Honeycomb update to my Flyer. I like the touch buttons on the bezel and those would be lost if I apply the Honeycomb update. Gingerbread is running very well, I will just keep it at that for now.
HW buttons are the main reason why i went back to GB, you also lose screen real estate with HC. But the pen works everywhere on HC. But the main thing is you lose 1/2 inch of screen space for HC buttons.
Yeah HC is not bad and ability to use pen everywhere is great. But I do want the buttons back
Honestly I really don't mind the buttons being missing. I think its cool that HTC put 2 sets of them, and pretty much made they completly invisible when you aren't using them, but honeycomb doesn't need them so why should they be there?
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Honestly I really don't mind the buttons being missing. I think its cool that HTC put 2 sets of them, and pretty much made they completly invisible when you aren't using them, but honeycomb doesn't need them so why should they be there?
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Yeah it needs it. It would be much better with out the bar !
The bar is a bit annoying. I really figured google had come up with a way for the bar to not display when the whole screen was needed. Guess not. Fail.
Really its not hard to fix it either. Simply just make the bar appear when you hit the volume rocker. Hopefully ICS fixed this.
You can have the HW buttons on HC if you are rooted and are using a rom that alows you so. I hate the new bar, but it's a price i'm willing to pay to have the pen working everywhere.
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DonalDuck47 said:
You can have the HW buttons on HC if you are rooted and are using a rom that alows you so. I hate the new bar, but it's a price i'm willing to pay to have the pen working everywhere.
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Not on the view yet, sadly. HTC still hasn't released the honeycomb source (unless they did this weekend, and no one mentioned it yet)
I've noticed a few petty complaints about the phone, and they are all pointing fingers in the wrong direction. The phone itself is great. It's the software.
The software is crashing my phone more than my og Evo. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. This phone has double the ram of the OG EVO so, it's definitely not the hardware.
Also, Sense has to be the culprit for killing multitasking. There's some ROMS out there that can be flashed on the Evo LTE, that eliminate this problem. Another Sense disappointment.
And last but not least. The look and feel of sense is beginning to look and feel very dated. This is why people are going crazy over dev support, right now.
I'm not a HTC Sense hater, but they definitely need to change it up asap. If I were them I would just put out a, high end pure Google Android device and start from scratch.
Maybe, put a scrolling setting tool bar, that scroll left to right on top of the screen, instead of a drag down bar. Change the flip clock its old and boring now. I had that on my HTC Mogul! It's time to change the game up. And I think it's about that time
Certainly wish it was a bit more polished. Wasn't there something floating around awhile back that they only had 4 months to make sense 4 with ICS?
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i have to agree. sense is not bad, just not as smooth and fast as vanilla android. infact its quite slow so such amazing hardware. i check the forum a few times a day for a working version of cm9 or 10 only to be disapointed everytime.
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Certainly wish it was a bit more polished. Wasn't there something floating around awhile back that they only had 4 months to make sense 4 with ICS?
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That may be true. I think I can recall seeing a article about that.
I'm running sense 4 on my 3d, and I have to say that sense 4 is amazing. If you want a change then go with a different phone. I'm not saying that sense doesn't have minor bugs, because it does. But if you're looking for a different look and feel then change it up a bit.
But I like my Sense 4.
I love Sense, although I'm hoping Jelly Bean will make performance and stability improvements, of course. It does crash and restart for me, but rarely. It might be the ROM and apps you've loaded that are causing these issues, along with flashed mods, and so forth. Every time these things are done, increases the chances of destabilizing the platform. This is a part of the game that should be embraced.
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kiewee3 said:
I'm running sense 4 on my 3d, and I have to say that sense 4 is amazing. If you want a change then go with a different phone. I'm not saying that sense doesn't have minor bugs, because it does. But if you're looking for a different look and feel then change it up a bit.
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That's definitely not out the question. Once you've been loyal to a company since the HTC Mogul, then you may find it just a little bit harder to leave from a hardware standpoint. Like I said Sense isn't bad. It's just buggy and dated.
If Sense is the same during my next upgrade, I'm definitely jumping to another phone. Sad to say.
And yes thanks to this XDA I can change it up a bit. This site has a hand in what a lot of the consumers buy, believe it or not, just because of the hard work of these Devs do to bring longevity to our phones. They spoiled us.
My reasoning now is for the users who don't root. It's a struggle right now.
michael.stollaire said:
I love Sense, although I'm hoping Jelly Bean will make performance and stability improvements, of course. It does crash and restart for me, but rarely. It might be the ROM and apps you've loaded that are causing these issues, along with flashed mods, and so forth. Every time these things are done, increases the chances of destabilizing the platform. This is a part of the game that should be embraced.
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Yeah, hopefully jelly bean iron some things out.
As far as the crashes, im pretty positive its sense. I have no widgets beside the sense clock and power setting widget. Everything else is minor apps that control some of nothing. My only questionable app is Facebook. That app is so horrible. It does too much and hogs data like crazy. I'm always, clearing my cache on that app. And I won't decide to root, until maybe October.
edub186 said:
That's definitely not out the question. Once you've been loyal to a company since the HTC Mogul, then you may find it just a little bit harder to leave from a hardware standpoint. Like I said Sense isn't bad. It's just buggy and dated.
If Sense is the same during my next upgrade, I'm definitely jumping to another phone. Sad to say.
And yes thanks to this XDA I can change it up a bit. This site has a hand in what a lot of the consumers buy, believe it or not, just because of the hard work of these Devs do to bring longevity to our phones. They spoiled us.
My reasoning now is for the users who don't root. It's a struggle right now.
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I happen to love Sense and I am not rooted and never plan to. I like the iconic flip clock and believe it sets HTC apart from all the other androids out there. I do get bored with the "look" of my screens from time to time and change things up with Beautiful Widgets, themes, keyboards and the like. I wish the continuous scroll of the home screens remained (not the carousel) however. At least with Android these phones can be totally customized, which is why I could never be an iPhone user.
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I'd have to agree. I got the OG EVO on release day and absolutely loved it. Then came Gingerbread and all the sense reboots. I was hoping with this phone the sense reboots would go away, unfortunately I was wrong. It amazes me with the amount of RAM this phone has, that with very little apps installed, I only have about 200 MBs free. I ended up rooting and flashing CleanROM DE and love this EVO all over again. I just wish I wouldn't have had to root to avoid the HTC Sense reboots. I did try APEX Launcher for a bit, but noticed it would restart as well, though not quite as bad.
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I'd have to agree. I got the OG EVO on release day and absolutely loved it. Then came Gingerbread and all the sense reboots. I was hoping with this phone the sense reboots would go away, unfortunately I was wrong. It amazes me with the amount of RAM this phone has, that with very little apps installed, I only have about 200 MBs free. I ended up rooting and flashing CleanROM DE and love this EVO all over again. I just wish I wouldn't have had to root to avoid the HTC Sense reboots. I did try APEX Launcher for a bit, but noticed it would restart as well, though not quite as bad.
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I wish I wasn't scared to root as of now. I know there would probably be at least two more updates from HTC are gonna come and I'll wait until then. I was gonna try Apex but thanks for the heads up. I don't use widgets and my apps are all basic, that's why the reboots are kinda bothering me.
The best phone I've ever had or used nonetheless.
I have yet to run into any problems with Sense at all. It's elegant, slimmer than before, and adds features that people from the Windows Mobile days would consider to be basic. (Hello? It's 2012, Google. Where the hell is my T9 dialing?)
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I have yet to run into any problems with Sense at all. It's elegant, slimmer than before, and adds features that people from the Windows Mobile days would consider to be basic. (Hello? It's 2012, Google. Where the hell is my T9 dialing?)
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This. I haven't had any lockups or freezes yet, and Sense runs better than I've ever seen it run on a phone before. Everything is smooth and aesthetically pleasing.
Are you guys with no problems, rooted?
edub186 said:
Are you guys with no problems, rooted?
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I was stock the entire time I had my first Evo LTE. That was for about a month and a half and I didn't have any problems. Got my new Evo yesterday (I had a radio issue that required a replacement) and rooted it because I had to start from scratch anyway. No issues rooted either.
Actually HTC Sense this year looks nice IMO. I really like the way the dock looks. One thing i dont like is the locksceen, as i fee the stock one looks best. There are some thing i wish google would incorporate into the next OS. The way HTC handles adding things to your home screens is MUCH faster than stock aosp. In stock, you have to do it one by one, or at least slowly. On sense, you do it much faster and can even add multiple widgets. Also, if u run out of space sense automatically makes a new homescreen for you. I also like the quicksettings menu (even though HTC took it off i think).
I haven't had one problem since I got the phone on launch day. With sense or anything else.
Love this device!
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I like Sense 4.0 a lot; I believe it's the best UI skin out there as far as what comes from the manufacturers. I like the widgets and the unified look and functionality of everything. It's all very polished and professional.
The only problem I have with Sense is in the way it handles multitasking. I would love to be able to pause a game to answer a text or email, and come back to where I was without the game fully reloading. Or keep 2 or 3 browser tabs open without everything reloading when I come back to it from something else. Running Nova and using less widgets helps somewhat, but you lose all the "good stuff" about Sense when you go that route. So I'm patiently waiting for a good ROM that fully addresses the memory management issues while letting Sense run to it's full potential.
I have absolutely no problems with my EVO 4G LTE. If you think Sense is the same thing it's always been, try going back and using a Sense 3 phone, like the EVO 3D. Then you'll see a difference. It's just the luster of a new product has worn off for most people. Really, most of the complaints are over petty stuff. In the end, it's a phone. It plays games well, but if you want something to do more, buy a PS3/XBOX. It plays great quality movies, but if you want something to do more, buy an HDTV. Web browsing is great on this device, but if it's still not your style, buy a laptop. Sure there's a convenience of having it all there, but really, it's time to stop being petty about the small things.