I did this with my eris over and over with no issues. Now, for some reason, im a lil worried w my TB. Can anyone provide me the links to software & such that i would need to get started, some 'how-to's, and what not!? I alwaus try to have the hottest phone sh*t out of anyone i know, so please hook me up w the newest stuff! I know thos could be a lot to ask, so to whoever helps, thanks a million!
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Everything you need is stickied in the dev section. Read the root how to at least three times through before doing anything. Make sure you can "see" your phone via adb. If you're still unsure, watch some youtube videos. Rooting the Tbolt is not hard, just be thoroughly prepared beforehand. If you run into problems, ask for help in IRC chat (you'll get the fastest response there) or here. Good luck
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If I did it you can.Took me a couple of times trying but eventually got it. Now used about 3 different Roms.
I went from the Eris to TB and I was a little apprehensive at first. Watch the "How to root thunderbolt" video on YouTube. I strongly suggest doing it through adb as the experience is vital. Good luck! I'm running Gingeritis 1.0, just as a suggestion.
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I'm a newbie too, just as long as you backup everything ti should be ok.
Thank god for forums, that's the bottom line, there's always someone here to help you.
I'm gonna say read EVERYTHING 3 times. There's a lot of ROMs, a lot of radios, and plenty of ways of ending up with a phone that that doesn't work (not bricked, just a dud setup.) There are ways to brick it you wouldn't guess, but I think those days are behind us. Any of the gingerbread builds will have quirks. The froyo builds are generally solid, especially the MR2 builds. Just gotta play around.
The easiest method being trying to root with an uncharged battery .
i agree with what everyone has said (actually i don't know anything about the battery mention). only thing i would add is when you do decide to root, do it when you won't be rushed. I rooted via 1-click a DINC, but the tbolt was much different and all together a much better experience getting to know adb. If you know a little bit of command line, you will understand what you are doing (mostly). but even if you don't know hardly anything about command line, all the instructions i found give you the commands.
The Eris was a one-click root correct? The Thunderbolt rooting process will definitely take longer than the Eris rooting process, but I wouldn't say any specific step is difficult. After you're rooted the process of flashing a specific ROM or radio should be the same. Just remember to rename radios PG05IMG.zip and flash in Hboot, and usually do a data wipe before you flash a new ROM.
The entire rooting process will probably take around an hour, or even more if you're not familiar with adb. Just follow the directions closely, and be patient.
Learn basic commands for adb shell and download/install/update it on your computer.
The biggest pain in the ass I've found on ROMs for the TB is the radio.
If you want a froyo based/CM/AOSP ROM it takes one type of radio a Gingerbread based ROM is a different type of radio.
Simple commands in adb can reboot from recovery (clockwork recovery mod) to bootloader to change radios. IF you remember to place it on the root of your sd card.
Nandroid backup, Nandroid backup, Nandroid backup.
The devs are really starting to put out some A1 ROMs out there.
Just like Ford v. Chevy v. Dodge, everyone has their favorites. Backup and flash away....
Been there. I used Auto root(MR1) which was very easy. Just take your time and it walks you right through the process. Took about 30 minutes, tops. And unroot is even easier and only takes 5 minutes.
I was kinda scared at first also but I have rooted and flashed ROMs on 2 thunderbolts now , it is a fairly easy process , just have to follow the instructions and you will be fine , biggest scare I had was flashing radios , after that its a piece of cake , Good Luck !!!!
Awesome Phone after it is rooted and the bloatware is gone , better battery life....
I rooted through ADB, after that, I've never used it again. I flash roms almost daily. Nothing to be scared of. If you do a nandroid before you flash, even if something bad happens, you can always go right back to a known working condition by doing a nandroid restore. I know it's scary at first, but once you do it, you'll be flashing roms and radios all the time! It's gets addicting, and it's actually fun
Like anything for the first time, you might be apprehensive beforehand but once it's under your belt you'll think back and wonder why you didn't do it sooner. Follow the procedure, get it in your head and pull the trigger.
Its not for everyone but it's not that difficult either.
I was a Newbie with ADB too, I held off hoping for a 1 click method, and then got impatient. I read the guides several times (as mentioned in earlier replies) before I started, and I double and triple checked every command line as I did them... It was a bit nerve wracking, but I managed to get through it without a scratch. And about 2 weeks ago I was able to walk my buddy through it over the phone from 1500 miles away. As long as you're slow, methodical and careful, there's not much to be worried about.
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Sorry if these questions are covered (I tried to look). I don't think I would have a problem rooting my phone. I have rooted my nook. That said, this is my first smart phone.
If/when I root my thunderbolt will I be able to keep using Sense? I don't really like any of the roms or whatever you call it. I like Sense, but I feel like I need some more power over it.
How easy is it to 'brick' a phone while performing a root? This is probably the biggest reason why I haven't rooted my phone. Ruining my phone really scares the **** out of me.
You can use sense roms. I like Bamf remix. Pretty similar to stock but has some nice extras and customization. How do you know you don't like any of them when you haven't even tried them?
I haven't seen anyone here saying they bricked their phone. Just read all the threads, read up on adb, get it working, follow all instructions and youre good!
I was hesitant right away because I had only used un revoked in the past, but it was pretty simple. It will take some time though. Just read and make sure you're comfortable with everything before you start rooting.
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The toughest part for me was getting adb set up. Once I had that I was good.
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Been rooting since the droid 1 and ive never bricked a phone. just make sure you understand what it is your doing and youll be fine. once you root you can leave everything the same as it is (which would be pointless), overclock for speed, underclock for battery life, keep sense, remove sense, install sense/sense based roms, install senseless (no pun intended) roms, or do pretty much whatever you want on your phone. use the three click s-off method rather than the adb method. its a little easier and as long as you follow the directions its pretty much impossible to brick
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use the three click s-off method rather than the adb method. its a little easier and as long as you follow the directions its pretty much impossible to brick
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I would recommend, as would others I'm sure, to actually use ADB yourself over the three click method. It's a good skill to learn a little about and, honestly, I trust putting commands in by hand over using a program like that.
Just to give you guys some background, I had a rooted Fascinate and I loved it, not to mention is was extremely fast. I like the stock TB but I feel like I could pull some better battery life with rooting and get rid of the bloat. However, while I was extremely familiar with rooting and flashing roms and kernels on the Fascinate (changed ROMS and kernels almost every week or two), I have never done it through ADB on the TB. Everyone seems to say they haven't needed to root their TB so they haven't, so I am getting mixed feedback on me. So...either persuade me to root or not to root...
Root or no?
Root it, manually, end of story.
If you don't like how it is, you can always go back to a completely stock, unrooted state.
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Root it, manually, end of story.
If you don't like how it is, you can always go back to a completely stock, unrooted state.
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thats what I am thinking. My fascinate was blazing fast with root I can't imagine how much faster this thing should be rooted
Ya man, why are you asking questions instead of rooting this very second!!
But anyway, jump on in.... The water is bamf
Do it. Just make sure all the files are in the same directory as ADB and follow the directions closely. Took me less than a half hour last night.
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Maybe this will make you feel better.....
I was 100% unfamiliar with rooting. I actually had never heard of it until buying the thunderbolt. I bought the phone just wanting something new and fast, as my old moto droid was basically unusably slow. I started reading threads online about battery life on the TB, because mine was sucking, and time and time again people talked about rooting to gain battery life. I called a good friend of mine who is a computer whiz, and he walked me through the process.
Four weeks later, my rooted Thunderbolt and me have been through 4 Roms (3, really, since the 4th was me going back to bamf remix), a number of kernels, and a whole lot of happiness.
Semi-Long story, I know, but i'm just giving you the winded speech, when really i coulda just said ROOT THAT PHONE!!!!!
So, what I would say to you is this. While i may be new to this whole rooting thing, i've always been a tech junkie. I'm incredibly obsessive about my gadgets running fast and efficient. I couldn't be happier that I rooted this phone, and I firmly believe any android device I purchase in the future I will root. I've gained battery life, speed, and customizability. I damn near brought my phone from useful to necessary. You won't regret rooting the TB.
My first rom was bamf remix 1.6.3. I followed that with twisted sense, then VirusROM TB, and now i'm back to bamf. I actually preferred VirusROM as a whole, but there were a couple issues that were dramatic enough for me to switch back to bamf. But i won't rant about that here. That's for another topic.
Root your phone. The TB just loves it.
(sorry for being so winded, i'm just excited about it all! =)
My last phone was the Incredible. Awesome phone even by todays standards. It was rooted. I didn't have this Tbolt long enough to kill the battery before rooting it so I can't speak to battery life gains. You only need ADB to root it. You don't need it to flash new ROMs or kernels or mods. Clockworkmod recovery does that for you. Plus, you'll find that the CPU in the Tbolt is possibly one of the most overclockable chips in history. I'm humming along at 1.42ghz with no problem and ramping it up to 1.6 or even 1.9 isn't at all unheard of. If there was ever a a Droid made for rooting, this phone is that phone.
I rooted my phone an hour after getting it from my local store. ADB is not hard to do (it was my first time too) you just need to follow the steps to the T. My Tbolt is opened up and having fun with all the new ROMs I'm putting on it. Loving it
Kind of long, but genuine, trying not to get too much bashed here...
Preface/Experience: A year ago or so I experimented with the Samsung Nexus S line of phones from all the major carriers, rooted them, flashed some ROMs, etc, and all my knowledge was learned from here (thanks!), but that was a while ago. I ended up not keeping any of them due to issues at the time with them (GPS locking, single core, 3G, etc) and decided to wait for some newer technology. I recently picked up an HTC Sensation to finally replace my old Blackberry after I had some issues with it the other day. As soon as I took it out of the box, my girlfriend was all mad because the entire time she has had her Thunderbolt she has complained about the SMS application not having separate "bubbles" for the chat windows, and of course Sense 3.0 does this (yes, she has tried handcent and such but doesnt like it). She also fell in love with the Sense 3.0 lock screens I have, home screen scroll, etc. I decided this would be a good first task for me to get back into the Android game...
I spent the first day or so searching about what the hell S-On/S-Off were, how to root these, etc. I successfully have S-Off, root, etc on both our phones via the revolutionary application, clockwork recovery is installed, as well as titanium backup. I have also successfully flashed a synergyROM onto her phone with Sense 3.0 and she has been enjoying it for the most part.
Now, onto the questions...
First, as nice as this ROM is, its a little too modified for her liking. Is there a ROM that would suit her desires better? She is looking for basically stock looking, bloatware removed if possible, with Sense 3.0 messaging and lock screens at a minimum. Nothing too major really, just UI tweaks.
Second, am I correct that after flashing a ROM you need to reinstall titanium backup each time so you can restore your apps and data? Is there a Zip file I can store on the SD card to install TiBu so I dont have to sign in and get it from the market each time?
Third, am I also correct that the main purpose of clockwork recovery is to backup the ROM, and the main purpose of TiBu is for the apps and their data? Meaning, to get the stock ROM back on this phone, I use clockwork to flash the backup I made, then use TiBu to flash the backup I made with that? I know this seems simple, but I just want to be clear Im thinking about this correctly.
Fourth, does it make a difference if I boot into clockwork recovery to flash a ROM versus doing it through ROM manager?
Oh, and fifth. WTH is a radio file/ROM/whatever you want to call it and how do you know which one you have? We are having an issue with her 4G not working on this new ROM I flashed, I assume its an error on my behalf, possibly the radio file? I'm not too clear on what those are just yet (I know, I should know before I started, but oh well)... I will be searching again through the 5 mile long thread over at the site where I found the ROM about 4G connectivity, but so far I haven't seen any issues posted by other people which is why I think I might have missed a step or something.
Any insight to any of these questions is appreciated, and I thank you all in advance!
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Kind of long, but genuine, trying not to get too much bashed here...
Preface/Experience: A year ago or so I experimented with the Samsung Nexus S line of phones from all the major carriers, rooted them, flashed some ROMs, etc, and all my knowledge was learned from here (thanks!), but that was a while ago. I ended up not keeping any of them due to issues at the time with them (GPS locking, single core, 3G, etc) and decided to wait for some newer technology. I recently picked up an HTC Sensation to finally replace my old Blackberry after I had some issues with it the other day. As soon as I took it out of the box, my girlfriend was all mad because the entire time she has had her Thunderbolt she has complained about the SMS application not having separate "bubbles" for the chat windows, and of course Sense 3.0 does this (yes, she has tried handcent and such but doesnt like it). She also fell in love with the Sense 3.0 lock screens I have, home screen scroll, etc. I decided this would be a good first task for me to get back into the Android game...
I spent the first day or so searching about what the hell S-On/S-Off were, how to root these, etc. I successfully have S-Off, root, etc on both our phones via the revolutionary application, clockwork recovery is installed, as well as titanium backup. I have also successfully flashed a synergyROM onto her phone with Sense 3.0 and she has been enjoying it for the most part.
Now, onto the questions...
First, as nice as this ROM is, its a little too modified for her liking. Is there a ROM that would suit her desires better? She is looking for basically stock looking, bloatware removed if possible, with Sense 3.0 messaging and lock screens at a minimum. Nothing too major really, just UI tweaks.
Second, am I correct that after flashing a ROM you need to reinstall titanium backup each time so you can restore your apps and data? Is there a Zip file I can store on the SD card to install TiBu so I dont have to sign in and get it from the market each time?
Third, am I also correct that the main purpose of clockwork recovery is to backup the ROM, and the main purpose of TiBu is for the apps and their data? Meaning, to get the stock ROM back on this phone, I use clockwork to flash the backup I made, then use TiBu to flash the backup I made with that? I know this seems simple, but I just want to be clear Im thinking about this correctly.
Fourth, does it make a difference if I boot into clockwork recovery to flash a ROM versus doing it through ROM manager?
Oh, and fifth. WTH is a radio file/ROM/whatever you want to call it and how do you know which one you have? We are having an issue with her 4G not working on this new ROM I flashed, I assume its an error on my behalf, possibly the radio file? I'm not too clear on what those are just yet (I know, I should know before I started, but oh well)... I will be searching again through the 5 mile long thread over at the site where I found the ROM about 4G connectivity, but so far I haven't seen any issues posted by other people which is why I think I might have missed a step or something.
Any insight to any of these questions is appreciated, and I thank you all in advance!
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I'm just gonna pm you my gmail... Hit me up and I'll answer your questions.
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Kind of long, but genuine, trying not to get too much bashed here...
Preface/Experience: A year ago or so I experimented with the Samsung Nexus S line of phones from all the major carriers, rooted them, flashed some ROMs, etc, and all my knowledge was learned from here (thanks!), but that was a while ago. I ended up not keeping any of them due to issues at the time with them (GPS locking, single core, 3G, etc) and decided to wait for some newer technology. I recently picked up an HTC Sensation to finally replace my old Blackberry after I had some issues with it the other day. As soon as I took it out of the box, my girlfriend was all mad because the entire time she has had her Thunderbolt she has complained about the SMS application not having separate "bubbles" for the chat windows, and of course Sense 3.0 does this (yes, she has tried handcent and such but doesnt like it). She also fell in love with the Sense 3.0 lock screens I have, home screen scroll, etc. I decided this would be a good first task for me to get back into the Android game...
I spent the first day or so searching about what the hell S-On/S-Off were, how to root these, etc. I successfully have S-Off, root, etc on both our phones via the revolutionary application, clockwork recovery is installed, as well as titanium backup. I have also successfully flashed a synergyROM onto her phone with Sense 3.0 and she has been enjoying it for the most part.
Now, onto the questions...
First, as nice as this ROM is, its a little too modified for her liking. Is there a ROM that would suit her desires better? She is looking for basically stock looking, bloatware removed if possible, with Sense 3.0 messaging and lock screens at a minimum. Nothing too major really, just UI tweaks.
Second, am I correct that after flashing a ROM you need to reinstall titanium backup each time so you can restore your apps and data? Is there a Zip file I can store on the SD card to install TiBu so I dont have to sign in and get it from the market each time?
Third, am I also correct that the main purpose of clockwork recovery is to backup the ROM, and the main purpose of TiBu is for the apps and their data? Meaning, to get the stock ROM back on this phone, I use clockwork to flash the backup I made, then use TiBu to flash the backup I made with that? I know this seems simple, but I just want to be clear Im thinking about this correctly.
Fourth, does it make a difference if I boot into clockwork recovery to flash a ROM versus doing it through ROM manager?
Oh, and fifth. WTH is a radio file/ROM/whatever you want to call it and how do you know which one you have? We are having an issue with her 4G not working on this new ROM I flashed, I assume its an error on my behalf, possibly the radio file? I'm not too clear on what those are just yet (I know, I should know before I started, but oh well)... I will be searching again through the 5 mile long thread over at the site where I found the ROM about 4G connectivity, but so far I haven't seen any issues posted by other people which is why I think I might have missed a step or something.
Any insight to any of these questions is appreciated, and I thank you all in advance!
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Ok... Got to a real keyboard so I'll toss some answered out there and try to put some structure to the not so structured wealth of information...
One: Synergy is probably the most tweaked up ROM out there. If you're looking for something that's simply bullet-proof reliable, I highly recommend BAMF Forever. Chingy also has some good ROMs in the Gingeritis line. BAMF can be found at teambamf.com and Chingy's ROMs are at themilkmik.com.
If those prove too modified, there's a few debloated ROMs based off the latest OTA patched up to fix the problems with the OTA version.
Two: You wouldn't be looking for a .zip for Titanium Backup. You'd be looking for an .apk file. Not sure where to find that though. Not may devs pack a backup app with their ROM because tastes vary and TiBu isn't the only app that does what it does.
Three: You pretty much have the idea regarding Clockwork backups (a.k.a., nandroid backups). I will direct you to my Q&A thread linked in my sig regarding TiBu. Basically, doing a batch backup is all good, but doing a batch restore is an excellent way to render your ROM useless. Devs use different apps and versions and frameworks and the system data often doesn't work well one ROM to another.
Four: Regarding CWR and Rom Manager, pretty much every dev recommends against using Rom Manager for flashing their ROM. There seems to be issues for whatever reason and it's just proven unreliable over time. A custom recovery is the only good way to flash a ROM and perform the various utility functions a custom recovery affords. You have your choice between CWR, Amon Ra, and TeamWin.
Five: Let me break this down into the 6 basic kinds of flashable files. First, and most common is a ROM. This is the OS, kernel, and UI along with whatever apps the dev has added They are usually 250MB to 310MB .zip files.
Second would be a kernel. ROMs are packed with kernel, but custom kernels exist that may be better for your purposes.
Third, would be radios. Radios can be individual radio firmwares, or a pair of them for CDMA and LTE all in one .zip file. A pair will be roughly 24-25MB, a single radio roughly half that. I explain more about radios in my thread.
Forth would be custom recoveries. These you rarely need to flash, perhaps never, so long as the version you're using supports the ROM's that are out there, and just about every version out there for the Tbolt does.
Fifth would be bootloaders. This is something you pretty much NEVER need to flash unless you've got a pretty good reason to mess with it. Bad radio and bootloader flashes will brick your device.
Sixth would be an RUU. An RUU is a full firmware package for your device. New bootloader, stock recovery, stock kernel, stock ROM, and radios.
There are also mods and patches that you can flash as well. Those are done in the same way as ROMs and kernels. The firmware hierarchy would look something like [bootloader>radio>recovery>ROM] with the bootloader being about as basic as it gets. Once you get used to how all this fits together it will make a lot of sense.
Hope this helps. If you have further questions feel free to hit me up on gtalk, pm me here, or post in this thread or my Q&A thread. I'll get back with you ASAP.
Thanks for the reply, I added you to gtalk also. I kind of feel like a horses ass because Im not sure how I missed that Q&A link; I presume its because I was doing nothing but searching the forums and didn't see the stickies somehow - d'oh. Kind of embarrassing to read that right after doing exactly what it says not to do (ask for ROM suggestions, ask a question about the radios which is laid out as well).
I was looking at the BAMF ROMs just last night actually, looks like I will check those out. I chose the Synergy simply based off the 3 screen shots I saw with the Sense 3.0 (which was my goal). That ROM is pretty cool, but as I said, its a bit much for my (her) needs at this point. Since I got it swapped around and such, it seems Im on the right track none the less.
Ahh, apk, duh. Also the logic as to why its not included makes perfect sense, I hadnt thought of it like that since I just saw those two (clockwork and TiBu) as the "common standard" and went with them even though Im sure plenty of people use others. I just thought I read in one of the how-tos that "setting up accounts" could be skipped simply by loading a TiBu, but since you cant do that without having it and you have to setup the market account to get it, it seemed bassackwards to me I suppose. Oh well. I've made do just fine so far by loading it through the market both times I've needed to.
I assume by "custom recovery" you mean the recovery console using custom software such as CWR which has replaced the factory console. I used CWR to flash it the first time and then when I messed it up with the TiBu restore (which you also covered in your Q&A I read last night after I figured it out and fixed it), I re-flashed it via ROM manager and had no issues that way either - hence the question originally. I will stick to doing it through CWR.
The order of things makes some sense to me now and the light is starting to shine through. I still didn't see much about the radio in the ROM thread, so I'm still curious why we are only looking at 3G. I also (oddly?) didnt see a recommended radio to go with the ROM, but it was late and I was tired. I will look into this again.
Is there a good source for a nice clean stock RUU for her phone just in case we need to go back to stock to warranty it? It has a loose charging plug currently that we may want to have addressed. Alternatively, is there a better way to get it back to "out of the box stock" than flashing an RUU?
Thanks again!
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Thanks for the reply, I added you to gtalk also. I kind of feel like a horses ass because Im not sure how I missed that Q&A link; I presume its because I was doing nothing but searching the forums and didn't see the stickies somehow - d'oh. Kind of embarrassing to read that right after doing exactly what it says not to do (ask for ROM suggestions, ask a question about the radios which is laid out as well).
I was looking at the BAMF ROMs just last night actually, looks like I will check those out. I chose the Synergy simply based off the 3 screen shots I saw with the Sense 3.0 (which was my goal). That ROM is pretty cool, but as I said, its a bit much for my (her) needs at this point. Since I got it swapped around and such, it seems Im on the right track none the less.
Ahh, apk, duh. Also the logic as to why its not included makes perfect sense, I hadnt thought of it like that since I just saw those two (clockwork and TiBu) as the "common standard" and went with them even though Im sure plenty of people use others. I just thought I read in one of the how-tos that "setting up accounts" could be skipped simply by loading a TiBu, but since you cant do that without having it and you have to setup the market account to get it, it seemed bassackwards to me I suppose. Oh well. I've made do just fine so far by loading it through the market both times I've needed to.
I assume by "custom recovery" you mean the recovery console using custom software such as CWR which has replaced the factory console. I used CWR to flash it the first time and then when I messed it up with the TiBu restore (which you also covered in your Q&A I read last night after I figured it out and fixed it), I re-flashed it via ROM manager and had no issues that way either - hence the question originally. I will stick to doing it through CWR.
The order of things makes some sense to me now and the light is starting to shine through. I still didn't see much about the radio in the ROM thread, so I'm still curious why we are only looking at 3G. I also (oddly?) didnt see a recommended radio to go with the ROM, but it was late and I was tired. I will look into this again.
Is there a good source for a nice clean stock RUU for her phone just in case we need to go back to stock to warranty it? It has a loose charging plug currently that we may want to have addressed. Alternatively, is there a better way to get it back to "out of the box stock" than flashing an RUU?
Thanks again!
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I think the RUU for 2.11.605.3 is floating around here somewhere. If it's not here, it's on Rootzwiki. The problem with flashing an RUU to return to stock is that if you rooted via Revolutionary it's not going to work. The bootloader Revolutionary is patched to prevent overwriting. You'll need to find a guide for unrooting after a Revolutionary root, but I think I have one in my thread. If you rooted via ADB, then flashing an RUU should do the trick.
Not really sure why LTE isn't working. LTE and CDMA data are handled on the same chip with the same radio so if one doesn't work, the other shouldn't work either. My best suggestion is try a different radio. I'd suggest the 2.10 radio or one of the 2.11 radios. People have generally been having pretty good luck with those. You might try going into the radio settings and forcing it to use LTE Only. If it can't find an LTE signal it'll revert back to 1x. For reference, any radio from an RUU 1.70 or later will work just fine with all the Gingerbread ROMs currently out there.
Hit me up if you've got any more questions.
Turns out it was in fact user error. There is a toggle built into the ROM to exclude LTE service if you wish *facepalm*
I had looked in a radio menu before after the first flash knowing of such toggles, but it was already selected correctly. It got reflashed after the TiBu mishap, still no 4G, and we called it a night. Today I found where someone mentioned a toggle and where it was, so I texted her to look following those directions. Sure enough she found it and she was able to change it to have 4G. I'm curious which menu I looked in initially and which menu she found the toggle in now. In any case, it seems its all working and that's what matters.
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Turns out it was in fact user error. There is a toggle built into the ROM to exclude LTE service if you wish *facepalm*
I had looked in a radio menu before after the first flash knowing of such toggles, but it was already selected correctly. It got reflashed after the TiBu mishap, still no 4G, and we called it a night. Today I found where someone mentioned a toggle and where it was, so I texted her to look following those directions. Sure enough she found it and she was able to change it to have 4G. I'm curious which menu I looked in initially and which menu she found the toggle in now. In any case, it seems its all working and that's what matters.
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There's two of them, I know. Don't know why we need two that basically do the same thing, but we do! Glad you got it working. I use an app called LTE On/Off for flipping back and forth. Sometimes you need that because it'll stick on 3G when you know you're in an LTE area and it helps to kinda force it.
I finally jumped - at the recommendations from users here - and ordered my Rezound. Ill be coming from the Fascinate which was extremely easy to work with and has been a great phone for modding.
I've been reading every thread I can on s-off, root, unlock......man its alot to take in. But thank you to everyone here for all the great work.
A brief question - and totally subjective - but anyone have a preference to letting the Rezound activate and run stock for a few days vs unlock\root right out of the box prior to activation?
Im not going to go crazy until I learn all the terminology and step-by step processes. Illl probably just unlock, flash a recovery and root for now, deal with custom ROMS, kernels and S-off later. I do have a 14 day trial period, so Ill be following any threads for modding that are reversible in the short term.
Thanks again to all here and I hope my education on the Rezound is a good experiance.
Once you unlock, it's not reversible without being s-off if I'm not mistaken. I'd suggest waiting a little while to make sure the hardware is stable before you do anything to the phone.
Of course I had mine unlocked 30 mins after I got it..
.....so wait 31 minutes ? Thanks for the advice.
Root is the biggest thing I need for now; just to get apps like Titanium, Easy tether, etc. working. Im not a big fan og Sense, but can deal with it.
If I could root without unlock, Id be fine. But.......
I told myself I'd run stock until my 14 day trial was up, but that didn't last a week If you s-off you can totally revert from what I can tell.
And buying a new phone is one of the most time-consuming purchases I make now, because I have to spend a couple of days reading XDA first, lol.
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Ive been doing the same: alot of reading.
I may just jump in with both feet right away. I can follow directions, the forum is very helpful, and I read everything at least 4 times before I do it.
I figure most anything is reversible. As long as I walk before I run and know how to undo it, Im good.
I say do it all right away. With S-Off you can go back to stock out of the box. I sent my last phone back after unlocking, rooting, and flashing various things. As long as you have S-Off, you can get it back to stock easily.
This will likely be a long post, so I'll start off with short summary:
After years of being excited about the android OS, I've now grown very tired of it and can't find a good solution to solve the issues.
Thanks in advance for taking the time to read and provide feedback and insight.
Background
I've been a web developer for ~15 years, even worked on a very popular android tablet before it was released. I currently have the title of "SDE" but I also deal with a lot of UI/UX work. I'm pretty tech savvy, love control, love to hack (eg my main machines are hackintoshes). I bought an EVO 3D shortly after it came out as it was dual core and had the most RAM. A friend is an android enthusiast and it sure seemed like android, while lacking polish, offered the flexibility and community for me to be able to have the level of polish I want.
Problems
Over the past year+ I haven't had much spare time. While other phones on other carriers are easy to root and mod, the EVO 3D on Sprint has been a PITA. My recent attempt at a custom PRL was a great example of how this "open" phone was more difficult to work with than a "locked" iPhone. There's been no easy way to root this phone and turn s-off. Yeah, I know there's two methods but both of them require more time than I have right now at any given time. And the bigger issue for me is that they're much bigger kludges than I think an "open" OS should be.
I waited for the ICS OTA update and am disappointed. While it solved some issues, it created more. And I feel like I've got both arms tied behind my back since almost any fix requires root. I hate reading that some of the fixes are in jelly bean, yet there's no easy way for me to upgrade.
Specific issues
- Llama doesn't work in ICS. I <3 Llama
- Battery usage is often horrible - yesterday I checked my email a couple times and the battery lasted all of 6 hours. I tried killing all tasks, but those who say that's useless since froyo are right. This issue keeps happening... it's like the CPU gets stuck at 100% for some reason.
- Network sucks. I don't understand why I can get 10Mb down and 2Mb up with speedtest.net, but the responsiveness of any app that uses the internet is sluggish. Even with my own tests on my own web servers, it' still sluggish. And latency is fairly low... seems like there might be a lot of packet loss for some reason.
- Camera sucks. The camera on my wife's EVO 4G works better but still sucks. All I've found here are threads confirming how much it sucks.
- App specific issues:
-- I have my sync settings set not to link contacts with LinkedIn, but it still frequently asks me anyway.
-- Contacts are duplicating: I had them all on my phone, and all synced via my gmail account. Then the other day it decides they're all different and duplicates my contacts.
- It unlocks itself. Sometimes I pull my phone out of my pocket and the phone is unlocked, even though I had a PIN set. I can use it for a minute or two, then suddenly I get greeted with a lock screen (or sometimes just half a lock screen.)
- I don't like having to set a lock screen in order to change the wifi password. Seems really odd to me. It wasn't like that in gingerbread.
I also have a hard time finding information. Seems like half of what I find doesn't apply to the EVO 3D, though may work for many other phones (even other HTC phones) and the bulk of the rest no longer works because of some other issue (or is just outdated.)
Anyway, I could go on, but I think you get the idea. If I had time, I'd see what I could to do contribute to a ROM project, but that just doesn't seem like it's in the cards right now. Am I just not a good fit for android? Is the bigger issue this phone? Would I actually be able to solve the above issues if I did go ahead and root it fully... perhaps with the wire method?
Thanks
Well I understand where you're coming from. Honestly, its personal preference. From my experience, once I went s-off and fully rooted it, it was so much better. A lot of the custom roms here are fantastic and blow stock out of the water. You can do so much more with root, and easily fix all of the problems that you have. Every. Single. One. It's all about just trying it, and if you don't like it, you can easily just try something new, that's the glory of it
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Thanks for the reassurance. I went ahead and tried the wire trick here http://htcevohacks.com/htc-evo-3d-h...c-evo-3d-using-wire-trick-juopunutbear-s-off/
Unfortunately, when I run ControlBear it tells me "device has no root!!"
I used the HTC method to unlock it. I'll keep digging... but this is part of what frustrates me about android.
blame the phone manufacturers and the carriers, not android... none of your problems actually seem like android ones
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Thanks for the reassurance. I went ahead and tried the wire trick here http://htcevohacks.com/htc-evo-3d-h...c-evo-3d-using-wire-trick-juopunutbear-s-off/
Unfortunately, when I run ControlBear it tells me "device has no root!!"
I used the HTC method to unlock it. I'll keep digging... but this is part of what frustrates me about android.
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Take a look at mpgrimm2's guide thread. That has a lot of good information.
ramjet73
snokarver said:
Thanks for the reassurance. I went ahead and tried the wire trick here http://htcevohacks.com/htc-evo-3d-h...c-evo-3d-using-wire-trick-juopunutbear-s-off/
Unfortunately, when I run ControlBear it tells me "device has no root!!"
I used the HTC method to unlock it. I'll keep digging... but this is part of what frustrates me about android.
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After you htcdev unlock, you need to flash a stock rom with root, I would try my rom, common sense v1.5 (stock) its in the link in my siggy, I did it on that and it worked just fine. Or you can flash a stock rooted rom that Virus posted up, its somewhere in the dev forum, once that's flashed you're good to go
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Thanks. What's the easiest way to do a full backup of my existing ROM so I can easily restore if I want to? Seems like every method I've found requires root.
Under all the glitz, Android runs on a Linux kernel.
Linux is very secure in that only the "root" account can make changes to vital system processes.
So yes, gaining root access is vital to making changes to your android device.
IMO, it is too easy to gain root in Android. It should be harder so all these noobs won't be on here f'ing up their phones.
sudo passwd root
I use *nix all day long. Was just running commands to modify permissions, using sudo, for git. Even in OS X gaining root access is fairly easy. But what you're telling me is, the only way to backup my ROM is to wipe it first with a ROM that is rooted? (In other words, no way to backup my ROM.)
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Thanks. What's the easiest way to do a full backup of my existing ROM so I can easily restore if I want to? Seems like every method I've found requires root.
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If you find the Su binaries, you can flash it via recovery via fastboot, right over the stock rom that you're running RIGHT NOW. I would google it, I don't have one off hand that I can attach for you.
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I found the su binaries, but haven't had any luck getting them installed. Every walkthrough I've found doesn't work. Tried to put a recovery on it, but that also won't go. One method requires root. The instructions for another said three button method but that doesn't seem to work on this phone...
You have to unlock the bootloader before trying to install recovery.
There are a bunch of guides. www.google.com
sudo passwd root
*sigh*
I have done the official HTC unlock. I know there's a ton of guides out there, and I'm usually pretty good at using google, but I have yet to find one that works. 90% of them are incomplete, outdated, assume you're already fully rooted or have a custom ROM. The majority of the time I find people posting the same problems I'm running into, without any answers. I've tried no less than four different methods (found via google) today to install recovery, but none of them have worked.
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*sigh*
I have done the official HTC unlock. I know there's a ton of guides out there, and I'm usually pretty good at using google, but I have yet to find one that works. 90% of them are incomplete, outdated, assume you're already fully rooted or have a custom ROM. The majority of the time I find people posting the same problems I'm running into, without any answers. I've tried no less than four different methods (found via google) today to install recovery, but none of them have worked.
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Have you tried mpgrimm2's guide for flashing recovery and superuser? It's part of a larger thread that covers rooting, S-OFF, bootloaders and other stuff for the Evo 3D and I know he works hard at keeping it up-to-date.
I suggested that earlier in this thread, and if you can't find the answers you are looking for there I'd be surprised.
ramjet73
Thanks for the insistance on that thread. I tried CWM using that guide and it didn't work (wouldn't ever boot into CWM even though everything appeared to install ok). I tried 4ext using a 4ext guide and it didn't work. I tried 4ext using the same guide as you linked to which references CWM, and it did work.
BusyBox is saying it may not be rooted, but RootChecker says it is. At least now I think I'm far enough along to make a backup of the stock ROM. Thanks much
Launching BusyBox some more it seems to work fine. So far I've:
- Make a backup of the stock ROM
- Deleted the crapware
- Backed up my apps with TB
- Used SetCPU to lower the clockspeed when idle. Now I'm under 100ma when idle. Pre ICS I had a hard time getting under 300ma.
Thanks a bunch. Things are really looking up.