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Whats the deal with bootloaders? It seems that these phones get lots of custom roms. Whats the exact downfall?
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All phones have bootloaders.
The problems are phones with locked bootloaders.
HTC is locking down its bootloader, but its possible to hack into it, even its a bit hard. Motorola's locked bootloader and totally locked down, with Motorola being the only one able to open them without some extreme hacking (which haesn't been done). Sony is opening up their bootloaders.
Basically, without a open bootloader, you can't flash recoveries or kernels. I don't know the full reason behind it, but something with the system deny access to flash anything to it.
Roms are avaliable yes for those with locked bootloaders, but I believe there is no permeanant recovery and therefore needs for a bootstrapper which acts as a temporary recovery for one reboot. Kernels can't be flashed, and you probably realize how severe that is. Also, since you need to use the stock rom/source as a base for locked phones to flash the roms, it doesn't allow for full AOSP roms, not allowing for CM or MIUI for example.
Pretty sure I got one or more things wrong, but that's basically the gist of it.
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the difference between a locked and encrypted bootloader is huge...moto uses ridiculous encryptions (military grade) that are virtually impossible to hack (and havent been after a year and a half of trying on the milestone)
most phones "lock" their bootloaders...i mean ours was/is...but even with security like htc's...it can be gotten around (easier with leaked eng boot obviously)
Thanks for the replies.. Sounds horrible. I mean, there are more significant changes to our fascinate through kernels than any rom. Voodoo, bln, overclock, uv, sound, color. Rom mods I feel are minute in comparison.. I will never buy a POS moto now that I know what the signed bootloader is all about.
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I believe Samsung and now Sony are the only ones with not as locked down bootloaders. Not Nexus grade open, but near open.
Its been confirmed by supercurio on his little tinker on the Galaxy SII.
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TheSonicEmerald said:
I believe Samsung and now Sony are the only ones with not as locked down bootloaders. Not Nexus grade open, but near open.
Its been confirmed by supercurio on his little tinker on the Galaxy SII.
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I plan on sticking with samsung.. software don't bother me as much as hardware, their hardware is unbeatable. And being unlocked. Who cares what it comes with. The devs are great at fixing it up
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neh4pres said:
I plan on sticking with samsung.. software don't bother me as much as hardware, their hardware is unbeatable. And being unlocked. Who cares what it comes with. The devs are great at fixing it up
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100% agreed. With our devs and an unlocked bootloader, Galaxy S 2 here I come.........(whenever you're released for Verizon)
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TheSonicEmerald said:
I believe Samsung and now Sony are the only ones with not as locked down bootloaders. Not Nexus grade open, but near open.
Its been confirmed by supercurio on his little tinker on the Galaxy SII.
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What about LG?
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What about LG?
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Oops, completely forgot about LG. Their phones are also in the near open category.
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After tons of hard work from the devs here at xda they pushed out an unlock for the MOTO Atrix .
What does this mean? Xda devs once again proving they can make the impossible possible.
I still believe HTC will unlock our 3D'S but with devs like joeykrim on our side I'm feeling pretty confident no matter what. I'm doing what I can researching and exploring for exploits. The time is coming and coming soon! Have faith and enjoy your 3D it will be unlocked soon and no one will have to return
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Cool story bro.
I thought Moto unlocked the bootloader
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aray92 said:
After tons of hard work from the devs here at xda they pushed out an unlock for the MOTO Atrix .
What does this mean? Xda devs once again proving they can make the impossible possible.
I still believe HTC will unlock our 3D'S but with devs like joeykrim on our side I'm feeling pretty confident no matter what. I'm doing what I can researching and exploring for exploits. The time is coming and coming soon! Have faith and enjoy your 3D it will be unlocked soon and no one will have to return
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You do understand that the devs didn't make the unlock happen for the Atrix. They had a leaked GB build that included an unlockable bootloader. I'm not saying the devs didn't do anything, not even close. I'm just saying that if there was a leaked ROM floating around that had an unlockable bootloader for the E3D, it would be much easier to unlock the bootloader.
Hi there
I am planning to buy Atrix 4G. I previously had Milestone which I upgraded to 2.2 and I was not satisfied with the performance. Random boots, hang (DSI error) these always occurred on that. I then decided not go for any Motorola device. But now I am again thinking to buy Motorola. So tell if there is such problem with aAtrix after upgrading to Gingerbread. How much you are satisfied with your device on daily usage. I want it as my primary (work & home) device. So please tell about its software reliability. Thanks
The ATRIX 4g is one of the most stable cells out there still to date and on GB it is still stable and extremely fast I highly recommend this cell I haven't had any kind of problems I'm using a international ATRIX 4g and I get service in places where non of my friends do even the ones using the same provider as me
If you found this helpful plz hit thanks
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Thanks for reply
I know the connectivity is best in Motorola even my Fire lock GPS faster than my bros S in room as well as in open space. What I am scared is with random boots and hang which I faced in previously owned Milestone. I am getting little money from my brother as I don't have much to buy 1G ram phone. So I want a stable investment as I am travelling soon so I need a good partner .
Your reply was plasent to my eyes. My bro want me to get Galaxy R as its very stable he thinks and I feel. But I like the Motorola GB UI, it's very nicely built.
Did you had hang sometimes running apps or as such? How often are the hang/random boots?
I have never had a random boot even when testing my own apps that were no where close to being done and had it set to hard reboot(random reboot) if things went really wrong witch help show how stable it is so no problems with random reboots and I haven't once had any hangs on apps I suggest this cell over the galaxy R my friend has one and they are a good cell but even my friend is envoys of my ATRIX and to add the cherry my ATRIX scores higher in gaming and productivity then his galaxy R
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Btw if you need anything else just let me know I'd be happy to help
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As a previous milestone owner, I can tell you that the Atrix will make it feel like an old model T.
However, because it has eFuses, you can hard brick it with a careless flash. More easily than any smartphone I've ever had. Other than that, it's a pleasure to use.
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I have never had a random boot even when testing my own apps that were no where close to being done and had it set to hard reboot(random reboot) if things went really wrong witch help show how stable it is so no problems with random reboots and I haven't once had any hangs on apps I suggest this cell over the galaxy R my friend has one and they are a good cell but even my friend is envoys of my ATRIX and to add the cherry my ATRIX scores higher in gaming and productivity then his galaxy R
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It was really helpful. And what's ROM size in Atrix?
consolation said:
As a previous milestone owner, I can tell you that the Atrix will make it feel like an old model T.
However, because it has eFuses, you can hard brick it with a careless flash. More easily than any smartphone I've ever had. Other than that, it's a pleasure to use.
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No problem, I'll be stick to stock rom
Im pretty sure its 128mb decompressed and I fuighered you where wanting to run stock ROM the Motorola team has really pulled their socks up since the milestone and has been making some rock solid devices (dunno about tablet haven't used one...yet) I suggest getting a international ATRIX (vs AT&T) they are unlocked SIM and don't have as much bloat ware on stock ROM unless you use AT&T then you might want their bloat ware as you MIGHT use some of it to check your account but this is all downloadable for the international in the market besides if you really want you can root your device and force uninstall the bloat ware ie twitter or pvr remote.As you sead b4 tho you are traveling and that alone should be a large step twords the international ATRIX
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I still have my milestone and I Just use it as an alarm clock now. It can't face my atrix, both on custom and stock rom.
The atrix is very reliable, you won't regret your investment.
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Im pretty sure its 128mb decompressed and I fuighered you where wanting to run stock ROM the Motorola team has really pulled their socks up since the milestone and has been making some rock solid devices (dunno about tablet haven't used one...yet) I suggest getting a international ATRIX (vs AT&T) they are unlocked SIM and don't have as much bloat ware on stock ROM unless you use AT&T then you might want their bloat ware as you MIGHT use some of it to check your account but this is all downloadable for the international in the market besides if you really want you can root your device and force uninstall the bloat ware ie twitter or pvr remote.As you sead b4 tho you are traveling and that alone should be a large step twords the international ATRIX
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I'll get international version. Thanks for your comments, were helpful
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I still have my milestone and I Just use it as an alarm clock now. It can't face my atrix, both on custom and stock rom.
The atrix is very reliable, you won't regret your investment.
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Milestone was solid built. I felt proud carrying it in my hand. I never put it in my pocket when I use to go outside.
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Milestone had great build quality but was crippled by insufficient RAM. At a time when other premium handsets were getting 512MB+, moto cut corners and put in 256 - d'oh!
Also the keyboard was atrocious, how could they get the KB so right on the budget dext/cliq but mess it up on their premium phone.
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I just got this phone (ATT) 75$ with a new line. I Hope to room and use custom roms, but seems like can be a bad thing if dont know what your doing, i rooted and mess around with old phone HTC Inspire 4G, i did fine on that. I am scared after reading some of the forum posts, but i hate all the bloat ware that comes on stock phones. maybe some one be interested in walking me through it via teamviewer, and talking. I would give a few dollars for your time. you can add me to google, [email protected]
If all you want to do is remOve bloatware, then just root and use titanium backup to uninstall system apps. That's safe and easy.
If you want custom ROMs, then you need to unlock the bootloader, that's where you need to thread very carefully.
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I posted this in the Inc2 forum before I realized there was a Inc4G forum. . .
Well, I'm sold. Those are the two magic words I needed to hear. Can't wait for that bad boy.
http://androidheadlines.com/2012/05/featured-verizon-wireless-turns-down-htcs-one-series-in-favor-of-droid-incredible-4g-lte.html
Even though the incredible 4G seems to have a few things that it lacks compared to the One X, it does have an unlocked bootloader which the One X does not. It seems that there was quite following of fans that wouldn’t have it any other way. This small group of android nerds is extremely passionate about the capability to tweak and change their devices. For those of you that are unfamiliar with what an unlocked bootloader does, it allows you somewhat endless possibilities to customize the firmware (or OS) on your device. Which can enhance its user experience, looks, features and the like. This move by HTC to keep the bootloader unlocked is because HTC says they fully support the ability to keep things open and customizable.
HTC is fully committed to the bootloader unlocking program and that Verizon is also completely behind it. Ultimately leading to its choice to make the incredible 4G LTE with this feature. While Verizon is behind the idea now. They could of course change their mind at any time.
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Hell yeah!
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Seems more like HTC will let the bootloader be unlocked via their site. That's not the unlock you are used to for your inc2
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I bet the clip will work on this device for a permanent s-off though ... At least there's hope . . .
I'll just repost my question from the Dinc2 forum, in case someone watching it here wants to chip in their thoughts:
But still, the fact remains that it will be unlocked by HTC's online unlock tool. Which does not grant S-OFF. Granted that this is better than nothing, but I really want to know how much can be done without S-OFF. I mean, S-OFF was a huge thing for rezound, which recently got it. And I heard, until S-OFF was achieved, AOSP ROMs were impossible on Rezound. So, how much can be done by simply unlocking it by HTC's tool and not getting S-OFF? What is the difference between unlocked bootloader with S-ON (i.e. HTC's unlock method) and unlocked Bootloader via S-OFF like I did for the Dinc2? That is my basic question.
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I'll just repost my question from the Dinc2 forum, in case someone watching it here wants to chip in their thoughts:
But still, the fact remains that it will be unlocked by HTC's online unlock tool. Which does not grant S-OFF. Granted that this is better than nothing, but I really want to know how much can be done without S-OFF. I mean, S-OFF was a huge thing for rezound, which recently got it. And I heard, until S-OFF was achieved, AOSP ROMs were impossible on Rezound. So, how much can be done by simply unlocking it by HTC's tool and not getting S-OFF? What is the difference between unlocked bootloader with S-ON (i.e. HTC's unlock method) and unlocked Bootloader via S-OFF like I did for the Dinc2? That is my basic question.
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You sir, have been misinformed. S-off on the rebound WAS a great achievement but has nothing to do with aosp. The problem with that is the RIL which will be an issue for the inc4g also.
Also, an unlocked bootloader is not all the different from s-off but does have so.e huge problems like nit being able to downgrade easily if you accidentally run an RUU that updates the baseband. It also give issues with version numbers if leaks are released but that issue has been fixed. Kernels can not be flashed via recovery and you have to lock the bootloader whenever you want to run an RUU. I may be forgetting some other differences but the last and IMO biggest is that once you unlock, it will always say re-locked at the top which COULD cause warranty issues even though it has nit for anyone so far.
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If you want AOSP so bad then just get a Nexus. Personally, I'm stoked for some ICS with Sense 4.
According to that article. It says it won't have the S4 cpu in it.
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According to that article. It says it won't have the S4 cpu in it.
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I read it has a S4 but doesn't, so I'm like huh?
So S3.5?
Anyway, maybe the method that got Rezound users like myself S-OFF can get I4GLTE users theirs, such a clever method at that.
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According to that article. It says it won't have the S4 cpu in it.
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I Am Marino said:
I read it has a S4 but doesn't, so I'm like huh?
So S3.5?
Anyway, maybe the method that got Rezound users like myself S-OFF can get I4GLTE users theirs, such a clever method at that.
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the official annoucement from vzw and htc said it was a s4 chip
its just not the same exact chip as the one s or one x
i gave me best guess on the actual chip here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=26102928&postcount=41
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According to that article. It says it won't have the S4 cpu in it.
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I Am Marino said:
I read it has a S4 but doesn't, so I'm like huh?
So S3.5?
Anyway, maybe the method that got Rezound users like myself S-OFF can get I4GLTE users theirs, such a clever method at that.
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the official annoucement from vzw and htc said it was a s4 chip
its just not the same exact chip as the one s or one x
i gave me best guess on the actual chip here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=26102928&postcount=41
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To graymonkey44, you misinterpreted the article. As nitsuj17 said, they were saying that it's not the same chip. It's still an S4.
To nitsuj17, it definitely won't have the msm 8930 that you suspected, since that has the Adreno 305 GPU which won't even be released until Q3
So the exact chip is still a little fuzzy. The only S4 chip that really seems to match is the 8960, but that doesn't come in 1.2GHz and an HTC rep has said it's not underclocked. So it seems like the possibilities are:
It's the 1.2GHz 8930 featuring the faster Adreno 305 GPU that wont be released until Q3
Verizon/HTC somehow, and for reasons unknown, managed to get Qualcomm to custom make a special 1.2GHz S4 with the Adreno 225 GPU and LTE.
The HTC rep that said it's not underclocked was either lying or mistaken, and it is in fact the 8960 underclocked to 1.2GHz.
Personally, I think that last one is the most plausible, but who knows.
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To graymonkey44, you misinterpreted the article. As nitsuj17 said, they were saying that it's not the same chip. It's still an S4.
To nitsuj17, it definitely won't have the msm 8930 that you suspected, since that has the Adreno 305 GPU which won't even be released until Q3
So the exact chip is still a little fuzzy. The only S4 chip that really seems to match is the 8960, but that doesn't come in 1.2GHz and an HTC rep has said it's not underclocked. So it seems like the possibilities are:
It's the 1.2GHz 8930 featuring the faster Adreno 305 GPU that wont be released until Q3
Verizon/HTC somehow, and for reasons unknown, managed to get Qualcomm to custom make a special 1.2GHz S4 with the Adreno 225 GPU and LTE.
The HTC rep that said it's not underclocked was either lying or mistaken, and it is in fact the 8960 underclocked to 1.2GHz.
Personally, I think that last one is the most plausible, but who knows.
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Ooooh! If it is the last one, then we could potentially overclock it (kill battery life, of course ) and get the same performance or even better than the One X due to the lower resolution!!! Oh! My God! I just had a nerdgasm!!!
I can confirm it has a 220 gpu. Even underclass to what it is though it's very fast and smooth
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I can confirm it has a 220 gpu. Even underclass to what it is though it's very fast and smooth
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pics or it didn't happen, lol
Benchmarks will tell the tale. There is currently no documentation stating what it has exactly.
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Benchmarks will tell the tale. There is currently no documentation stating what it has exactly.
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Well heres a benchmark for you to drool at
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Well heres a benchmark for you to drool at
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Where did you get that picture?
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litetaker said:
Where did you get that picture?
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either hes a verizon/htc tester or has early access to a production device
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either hes a verizon/htc tester or has early access to a production device
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Or some journalist was able to install and run the quadrant benchmark at CTIA... who knows!
Well, as per this link:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/T-Mo...rrier-gets-180-day-exclusivity-period_id28877
This score certainly isn't up to snuff with the One S. However, it is important to note that there is a 300MHz clock difference and the 3d scores are very similar. 1954 vs 2173, a gap like that might be influenced by clock speed. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that it has the 225 just yet.
Edit: Actually it might be the 220 because the rezound scores very similarly.
Things just keep getting worse for this guy.
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Hi guys. Just want to ask why is there no kernel yet that supports overclock for the International version of the Htc one x plus. I've been checking all of the kernel updates for this device for the past 7 months and there isn't any kernel yet that supports overclocking.... I mean the Htc one which came out a few months later than my device managed to be overclocked to 2.1Ghz. Is it because the device has some kind of lock that doesn't allow overclocking in the device ?
Shaarven said:
Hi guys. Just want to ask why is there no kernel yet that supports overclock for the International version of the Htc one x plus. I've been checking all of the kernel updates for this device for the past 7 months and there isn't any kernel yet that supports overclocking.... I mean the Htc one which came out a few months later than my device managed to be overclocked to 2.1Ghz. Is it because the device has some kind of lock that doesn't allow overclocking in the device ?
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Why would you want to OC your phone? It is more than fast enough and it can get pretty hot on 1.7 GHz already.
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Shaarven said:
Hi guys. Just want to ask why is there no kernel yet that supports overclock for the International version of the Htc one x plus. I've been checking all of the kernel updates for this device for the past 7 months and there isn't any kernel yet that supports overclocking.... I mean the Htc one which came out a few months later than my device managed to be overclocked to 2.1Ghz. Is it because the device has some kind of lock that doesn't allow overclocking in the device ?
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Believe the credit goes to Tegra3 ...
Shaarven said:
Hi guys. Just want to ask why is there no kernel yet that supports overclock for the International version of the Htc one x plus. I've been checking all of the kernel updates for this device for the past 7 months and there isn't any kernel yet that supports overclocking.... I mean the Htc one which came out a few months later than my device managed to be overclocked to 2.1Ghz. Is it because the device has some kind of lock that doesn't allow overclocking in the device ?
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As already said - nobody with a clear mind wants to OC this device
But it is of course possible. There is nothing preventing it
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maxwen said:
As already said - nobody with a clear mind wants to OC this device
But it is of course possible. There is nothing preventing it
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Even on the bloated stock ROM it used to run smooth
Why do people post questions such as these only to never respond when people post back?
This phone is a beast out of the box. Oc'ing it would only end the life span of the phone sooner than expected. Heck I keep it in power saving mode most of the time and while playing graphic intense games I notice next to no stutter.
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Why would you want to OC your phone? It is more than fast enough and it can get pretty hot on 1.7 GHz already.
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It would be awesome to overclock it to 2.0ghz. Nice round number too
But you can overclock the GPU with Tegra overclock app (which i torrented) . Thats all i know so far with overclocking.
(Using elite kernel with Viperx+)
I'm sure it's possible but this is phone is already ridiculously hot and almost approaches painful to hold when you use it heavily. Just stick to the >1.7GHz
I'm sou sorry
I just want to know that I could oc the device, that doesn't I'm going to keep it in 2Ghz if I could oc it... its just nice to know that I could, like the HTC one..
I guess no one has developed a kernel yet to support OC...
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