Well it seems odd that the rumors are saying the Galaxy S2 will be coming to Sprint as the "Within" (odd name) on July 24th, yet here we are at the 18th with no pre-orders or announcement as we had with the EVO 3D.
Is it possible to be one week out from a huge new release with NO official word? Also, one wonders why Sprint would release the S2 within the "return time window" for the EVO 3D unless they were somehow hoping for tons of returns.
Even though the S2 and E3D share very similar specs, the S2 somehow seems to BLOW AWAY the E3D in benchmarking. Not sure how that works with the S2 achieving 1.5 times the performance of the E3D on many marks - who knows?
Anyway, if the "Within" does in fact release July 24th, will anyone be going for it? I will be tempted.
After my wife's experience with Samsung phones (plural), I will be staying away until they can prove that they can offer a good product.
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After my wife's experience with Samsung phones (plural), I will be staying away until they can prove that they can offer a good product.
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I hope this doesn't include the nexus s because that's one amazing phone.
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The thing that has me puzzled is the S2 benchmarking. E3D overclocked to 1.7 Ghz can get a Quadrant of 3000 on a good run. An S2 overclocked to 1.5 Ghz hits 4000!
Maybe the difference is the GPU? Would love to know.
I'm sure part if the difference is in the amount if free ram, and also because the evo is running a higher resolution. Probably isn't the whole story tho.
mitchellvii said:
Well it seems odd that the rumors are saying the Galaxy S2 will be coming to Sprint as the "Within" (odd name) on July 24th, yet here we are at the 18th with no pre-orders or announcement as we had with the EVO 3D.
Is it possible to be one week out from a huge new release with NO official word? Also, one wonders why Sprint would release the S2 within the "return time window" for the EVO 3D unless they were somehow hoping for tons of returns.
Even though the S2 and E3D share very similar specs, the S2 somehow seems to BLOW AWAY the E3D in benchmarking. Not sure how that works with the S2 achieving 1.5 times the performance of the E3D on many marks - who knows?
Anyway, if the "Within" does in fact release July 24th, will anyone be going for it? I will be tempted.
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To answer your question nope, and neither is anyone else because July 24th is not happening. Sprint or Samsung has yet to utter a single word that the phone actually exists. So anyone who plans on trading a 3D for this phone hasn't even bought the 3d yet, because they would need to buy it in late august at the least to have 30 days to return it.
And about the benchmarks..........well lets see Sense 3.0 vs touchjizz.....The answer in the benchmark is right there. Sense slows it down, run the same benchmark on CM7 and the scores would be neck in neck.
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To answer your question nope, and neither is anyone else because July 24th is not happening. Sprint or Samsung has yet to utter a single word that the phone actually exists. So anyone who plans on trading a 3D for this phone hasn't even bought the 3d yet, because they would need to buy it in late august at the least to have 30 days to return it.
And about the benchmarks..........well lets see Sense 3.0 vs touchjizz.....The answer in the benchmark is right there. Sense slows it down, run the same benchmark on CM7 and the scores would be neck in neck.
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Ah, interesting. Sense vs Touchwiz hadn't even occurred to me. I like the thinness and lightness of the S2 but have always found the Super AMOLED screen to be bleedingly oversaturated. The E3D is surprisingly heavy for its size.
You are probably right about the July 24 date being vapor based upon month old rumors from someone that knows someone that heard something. We'll see.
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So it seems that a couple of ROM "chefs" thought it was a good idea to sneak in a script to cheat their quadrant benchmark results... Both Lite'ning ROM, and AngeloROM are giving deceiving quadrant scores.
Quadrant isn't an amazing benchmark for the SGS2, as it's not properly multi-threaded, but I think it's worth explanining what was going on here. Both of the named ROMs are using an init.d script to detect Quadrant, and mount its files to a ramdisk, meaning that IO performance is not being measured accurately. This can give the undiscerning user a very high Quadrant score (in excess of 6000 in some cases).
What does this mean? Absolutely nothing. But it's essentially a sign that the maker of that ROM does not see fit to be honest with you. Can you trust someone who would rather boost their "e-peen" by deceiving you, rather than forego the e-peen extension, and instead be honest about the performance of your ROM.
Just think... If a ROM dev is happy to hide code to cheat Quadrant scores, and deceive you in that way, in what other ways might they also be deceiving you?
And for the avoidance of doubt, VillainROM does not, and will not, make use of dodgy "cheating" methods to fool you into thinking you have higher benchmark scores than you do... It's not cool, it's not something you expect to see from a "developer", who should be someone trustworthy, given the level of trust you are giving them by installing a ROM they make.
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Reading this has me a little worried. I'm thinkin this may play a big part in why the GS2 is so high in all the benchmarks. Doesn't the benchmarks for the most part average scores for a particular device together to show one score for that device. I may be completely wrong here, but HERE is the link to the thread.
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Reading this has me a little worried. I'm thinkin this may play a big part in why the GS2 is so high in all the benchmarks. Doesn't the benchmarks for the most part average scores for a particular device together to show one score for that device. I may be completely wrong here, but HERE is the link to the thread.
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so basically it's the "quake/quack" ati crap from back in the days.
Why would I? Evo3d is better
How can anyone like a phone that's not even released yet??? Also how can this thread even exist when this is the evo3d forums??
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sgs2 has lower resolution, multiply its score by .74 to match the resolutions, the phones are comparable but I think the 3d is the better
And here we going again with the SGS 2 I like the phone but seriously it doesn't belong to HTC EVO 3D forums
If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d
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And here we going again with the SGS 2 I like the phone but seriously it doesn't belong to HTC EVO 3D forums
If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d
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Actually, yes it does - or is a thread comparing EVO 3D hardware against major competitors considered taboo?
The point of the thread is to determine who might consider trading in their EVO 3D for the S2 so yeah, it is about the EVO 3D. Are you such a fanboy that any comparisons at all upset you?
P.S., Please try reading the OP first next time.
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Actually, yes it does - or is a thread comparing EVO 3D hardware against major competitors considered taboo?
The point of the thread is to determine who might consider trading in their EVO 3D for the S2 so yeah, it is about the EVO 3D. Are you such a fanboy that any comparisons at all upset you?
P.S., Please try reading the OP first next time.
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You should look through the first 3 pages of the General forum at how many identical threads are already in existence, and fully trolled to death for such reasons.
Why are some of you so into benchmarks? They mean nothing in my opinion
I still don't like samsung phones. So no thanks
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sgs2 has lower resolution, multiply its score by .74 to match the resolutions, the phones are comparable but I think the 3d is the better
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The benchmark apps don't support the qHD resolution (it only displays 800x480, even on the evo 3d). Unless sense is slowing it sown THAT MUCH, then I think htc jipped us.
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The apps fill the screen when running.... so even if the image is what ever size... it still has to process those extra pixels.
So it seems that a couple of ROM "chefs" thought it was a good idea to sneak in a script to cheat their quadrant benchmark results... Both Lite'ning ROM, and AngeloROM are giving deceiving quadrant scores.
Quadrant isn't an amazing benchmark for the SGS2, as it's not properly multi-threaded, but I think it's worth explanining what was going on here. Both of the named ROMs are using an init.d script to detect Quadrant, and mount its files to a ramdisk, meaning that IO performance is not being measured accurately. This can give the undiscerning user a very high Quadrant score (in excess of 6000 in some cases).
What does this mean? Absolutely nothing. But it's essentially a sign that the maker of that ROM does not see fit to be honest with you. Can you trust someone who would rather boost their "e-peen" by deceiving you, rather than forego the e-peen extension, and instead be honest about the performance of your ROM.
Just think... If a ROM dev is happy to hide code to cheat Quadrant scores, and deceive you in that way, in what other ways might they also be deceiving you?
And for the avoidance of doubt, VillainROM does not, and will not, make use of dodgy "cheating" methods to fool you into thinking you have higher benchmark scores than you do... It's not cool, it's not something you expect to see from a "developer", who should be someone trustworthy, given the level of trust you are giving them by installing a ROM they make.
Reading this has me a little worried. I'm thinkin this may play a big part in why the GS2 is so high in all the benchmarks. Doesn't the benchmarks for the most part average scores for a particular device together to show one score for that device. I may be completely wrong here, but HERE is the link to the thread
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With the right ADB script I've gotten my Evo3D's Quadrant scores up to 4401. which shows really how pointless benchmarking is.
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The benchmark apps don't support the qHD resolution (it only displays 800x480, even on the evo 3d). Unless sense is slowing it sown THAT MUCH, then I think htc jipped us.
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yeah!. jipped us!. I want those benchmark numbers that mean everything and are completely noticeable in real world situations!.
@OP.
I'm going gonna troll you for asking this question as it's in the right section (Q&A) and you articulated yourself well enough to warrant a real response. lol
I have honestly thought about it off and on. I'm pretty sure I'm keeping my Evo3D, it offers more in my opinion. to anyone who goes "Faster, More Banch numbahz! gooder Quadtrains!!" you're an idiot. it has a lower res screen, not 3D. I can see the argument for SAMOLED plus, I personally am not a fan of the colors. it's unrealistically vivid. sure, it's pretty, but not for me. personal preference and all.
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Actually, yes it does - or is a thread comparing EVO 3D hardware against major competitors considered taboo?
The point of the thread is to determine who might consider trading in their EVO 3D for the S2 so yeah, it is about the EVO 3D. Are you such a fanboy that any comparisons at all upset you?
P.S., Please try reading the OP first next time.
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No I'm.not a fanboy I like my iPhone 4 a lot and i have a nexus s too, is just the.so many threads about the same thing man, seriously you guys need to use the search feature and another problem is that they all end up with a lot wasted comments and doesn't bring any good info for newcomers to the EVO 3d that's why we so many unasnwer question sometimes
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... would this still be the phone to get over the SGSII? I'm not talking about sense vs touchwiz, i'm talking about raw power. How would the two phones compare running a stable nearly identical CM7? Can anyone (NO BIAS please) explain to me which phone has better capabilities?
I know I'm getting WAYY ahead of myself, but i'm still deciding IF HTC responded to their customers and unlocked the bootloader if I would get the EVO 3D or still wait for the SGSII, considering I'm sticking with either one for the next two years.
I've heard people say the SGSII has better raw power-- on the SGSII forum
I've also heard the some of you on this forum say the EVO 3D is better. Obviously, there is some bias involved and one phone is more powerful than the other.
I actually have some hope that HTC might do something about the bootloader. If this is the case, I have a really tough decision on which phone to still get. As for now, if the bootloader remains unlocked, its SGSII all the way
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... would this still be the phone to get over the SGSII? I'm not talking about sense vs touchwiz, i'm talking about raw power. How would the two phones compare running a stable nearly identical CM7? Can anyone (NO BIAS please) explain to me which phone has better capabilities?
I know I'm getting WAYY ahead of myself, but i'm still deciding IF HTC responded to their customers and unlocked the bootloader if I would get the EVO 3D or still wait for the SGSII, considering I'm sticking with either one for the next two years.
I've heard people say the SGSII has better raw power-- on the SGSII forum
I've also heard the some of you on this forum say the EVO 3D is better. Obviously, there is some bias involved and one phone is more powerful than the other.
I actually have some hope that HTC might do something about the bootloader. If this is the case, I have a really tough decision on which phone to still get. As for now, if the bootloader remains unlocked, its SGSII all the way
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Who said the sgs2 on sprint is even true other than a random website. Certainly not sprint nor Samsung. Noone has a clue about what the phone would be or even changed with a slider. Its all rumors.
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I think this deserves a bump
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... would this still be the phone to get over the SGSII? I'm not talking about sense vs touchwiz, i'm talking about raw power. How would the two phones compare running a stable nearly identical CM7? Can anyone (NO BIAS please) explain to me which phone has better capabilities?
I know I'm getting WAYY ahead of myself, but i'm still deciding IF HTC responded to their customers and unlocked the bootloader if I would get the EVO 3D or still wait for the SGSII, considering I'm sticking with either one for the next two years.
I've heard people say the SGSII has better raw power-- on the SGSII forum
I've also heard the some of you on this forum say the EVO 3D is better. Obviously, there is some bias involved and one phone is more powerful than the other.
I actually have some hope that HTC might do something about the bootloader. If this is the case, I have a really tough decision on which phone to still get. As for now, if the bootloader remains unlocked, its SGSII all the way
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seriously why does it even matter? Say one phone is faster than the other. The specs are so close together that any speed difference would barley even be noticeable on a side by side. The difference would be nothing if you didn't have both phones in hand.
Really I think the biggest difference would be the UI, so debate sense vs touchwiz
Why does it matter what phone is faster?? Well thats a stupid question
more speeeeed! I need to open my yelp FASTER....FASTER!!!!! Ya. In the end I'd find a way to underclock the thing because battery life > all
No need for another thread: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ve-an-unlocked-bootloader-one-way-or-another/
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Why does it matter what phone is faster?? Well thats a stupid question
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No, it's a valid question and jessejames makes a very good point ... the specs are so close that any speed difference would be negligible from a user standpoint, especially if you're not actually doing a side-by-side comparison.
I'd even go so far as to say that the effective data rate differences between the various 4G transmission standards will have significantly more of an effect on apparent phone response times in many applications than any actual benchmark differences between the two phones.
I feel like the EVO 3d isn't much of an improvement over the EVO. Downgrade in camera department and no full 1080p recording. And still skimping on internal storage...not sure if the 3d screen is worth losing those other features....
I think ima wait for the sgs2 since the EVO 3d is the same as my EVO with a 3d screen and slightly better performance
After seeing the sgs2 vs HTC sensation it makes me wonder about the snapdragon processor....it doesn't compare in those performance test
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more speeeeed! I need to open my yelp FASTER....FASTER!!!!! Ya. In the end I'd find a way to underclock the thing because battery life > all
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Both good points, lol.
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I feel like the EVO 3d isn't much of an improvement over the EVO. Downgrade in camera department and no full 1080p recording. And still skimping on internal storage...not sure if the 3d screen is worth losing those other features....
I think ima wait for the sgs2 since the EVO 3d is the same as my EVO with a 3d screen and slightly better performance
After seeing the sgs2 vs HTC sensation it makes me wonder about the snapdragon processor....it doesn't compare in those performance test
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You my friend are as confused as confused can be.....u probably should read up on the phone because you aren't quite sure what the Evo 3d is, if you believe what you wrote.
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I feel like the EVO 3d isn't much of an improvement over the EVO. Downgrade in camera department and no full 1080p recording. And still skimping on internal storage...not sure if the 3d screen is worth losing those other features....
I think ima wait for the sgs2 since the EVO 3d is the same as my EVO with a 3d screen and slightly better performance
After seeing the sgs2 vs HTC sensation it makes me wonder about the snapdragon processor....it doesn't compare in those performance test
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Bump the processing power from 1Ghz to 1.2Ghz then double it, double the ram, bump the resolution to qHD, shoot 1080p in 2D, 720p in 3D, and that's not much of an upgrade from the original EVO?
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You my friend are as confused as confused can be.....u probably should read up on the phone because you aren't quite sure what the Evo 3d is, if you believe what you wrote.
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Yea I believe what I wrote. I feel that HTC had to skimp out on **** to give us a 3d sscreen. If I could get the sensation on sprint then I'd get that. Better camera, more internal storage. Guess I'm not caught up in the 3d hype. Bought a 3d TV and only seen one movie in 3d on it.
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Yea I believe what I wrote. I feel that HTC had to skimp out on **** to give us a 3d sscreen. If I could get the sensation on sprint then I'd get that. Better camera, more internal storage. Guess I'm not caught up in the 3d hype. Bought a 3d TV and only seen one movie in 3d on it.
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put ya suit on there coming!!!!!
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Yea I believe what I wrote. I feel that HTC had to skimp out on **** to give us a 3d sscreen. If I could get the sensation on sprint then I'd get that. Better camera, more internal storage. Guess I'm not caught up in the 3d hype. Bought a 3d TV and only seen one movie in 3d on it.
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I do believe you are just misinformed. The EVO is the Sensation just with 3d added. They both have a SLCD qhd display. Also, just because the Sensation's camera is 8mp does not mean it is better. The EVO is 8mp and the camera is much worse then many other phones that are 5mp.
You need to do some more research as far as MP's are concerned as well as the comparing the Sensation to the EVO 3d.
I believe I was very nice with my response. Other's might not be this kind to you. lol
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Yea I believe what I wrote. I feel that HTC had to skimp out on **** to give us a 3d sscreen. If I could get the sensation on sprint then I'd get that. Better camera, more internal storage. Guess I'm not caught up in the 3d hype. Bought a 3d TV and only seen one movie in 3d on it.
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Your basing camera quality on MPs. That's your first mistake, HTC has stated the camera on the E3D is much improved over the original evo. Why? Better lens, hardware, etc. MPs don't matter as much as you would like to believe. The 5MP camera on the iPhone is a perfect example. More on board storage would be nice but with 32GB mSD available and 64GB on the way I'm not too worried about it. Storage has never been an issue for me in the past and it won't be in the future.
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OP, its going to come down to personal preference. Both of these phones have monstrous specs and will perform quote similarly. They both have rock star CPUs and GPUs and will be very closely matched in performance.
Tapa tapa tapa
Samsung's Hummingbird never stops to please us.
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phyba said:
Yea I believe what I wrote. I feel that HTC had to skimp out on **** to give us a 3d sscreen. If I could get the sensation on sprint then I'd get that. Better camera, more internal storage. Guess I'm not caught up in the 3d hype. Bought a 3d TV and only seen one movie in 3d on it.
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If you are even familiar with the actual specs--which it sounds like you definitely are not--then you have absolutely no understanding of what they mean.
This phone is a beast. Any performance difference between the two will be negligible bone-stock and even more negligible modded to the teeth.
Tell us, what did they "skimp out" on? The asynchronous dual core 1.2gHz cpu? The kick-ass new adreno gpu? the qHD screen that just so happens to also do 3D? A GIGABYTE of ram? Over a certain amount internal storage means absolutely nothing to anybody who knows better, and Evo3D is far past this amount.
Not to mention HTC build quality and dev community (now with official mfgr support). I would accuse you of holding specs in too high a regard over other more important things...but I don't think you even understand the specs enough to be doing that.
Someone gave you some koolaide and you drank it. You love koolaide.
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After seeing the sgs2 vs HTC sensation it makes me wonder about the snapdragon processor....it doesn't compare in those performance test
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This is yet another portion of your mis-information. You realize the two screens have differing resolutions, correct? Not a little difference either, but a vast 35% pixel difference. The Adreno 220 is I believe more powerful then the SGS2's gpu, but is also doing 35% more work with the higher pixel count that qHD brings to the table.
Also, pure processing tests did not show the sensation as weaker, it got what, 46MFLOPS? Not to mention the dual core is much more efficient on battery life then the tegra2 was.
Your points are all invalid as you simply don't include all the variables that create the differences.
Edit: I want to add my post was not meant as a defense of the E3D, as I'm personally seriously considering the SGS2 solely for its slenderness. But when you see posts that full of one sided information and wrong conclusions it's only natural to respond.
Hey guys..I'm read almost everything on xda but rarely post. I've been following this phone and I am very excited about the 3d. I was happy to see reviews on the sensation since it is similar to the Evo 3d. Anyway I was a little underwhelmed. It seemed like the.phone wasn't optimized very well and it was a little buggy..pinch.to zoom was buggy on some videos..the viewing angles seemed bad even when compared to older HTC devices. I hate to say it but the gs2 seems more refined. I will never buy a Samsung so it hurts to say that..one positive thing is that the hardware is terrific on these phones and with the great devs on xda I'm sure they will smooth things out..I hope I'm wrong and that maybe the.reviews I saw were no indication on the e3d performance
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Hey guys..I'm read almost everything on xda but rarely post. I've been following this phone and I am very excited about the 3d. I was happy to see reviews on the sensation since it is similar to the Evo 3d. Anyway I was a little underwhelmed. It seemed like the.phone wasn't optimized very well and it was a little buggy..pinch.to zoom was buggy on some videos..the viewing angles seemed bad even when compared to older HTC devices. I hate to say it but the gs2 seems more refined. I will never buy a Samsung so it hurts to say that..one positive thing is that the hardware is terrific on these phones and with the great devs on xda I'm sure they will smooth things out..I hope I'm wrong and that maybe the.reviews I saw were no indication on the e3d performance
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I seen the review at engadget and like you I'm not that impressed hopefully to evo will be different. I bought the Nexus S 4G and I love it. If the evo 3d isn't much better I'm sticking with the nexus
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I'm inclined to agree. I'll have to wait and see/use the e3d before I make any final decisions. I'll definitely buy it, keeping it may be a different story.
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I think that this phone has a lot if potential but it may be up to xda to get it out of it..the CPU n gpu are arguably the best currently out so it must be software issues..I mean my evo moves just as fast as a lot the the things the sensation did In the videos...I figured there would be a night and day difference..I really think the software hasn't kept up with the hardware
I don't know but I think that is where the asynchronous part of the processor comes in, one processor to handle one task while the other is waiting for its own task. That is why you probably wont see a difference until you start running a whole bunch of things. If I am somewhat correct I believe that the developers here will be able to do something about it. (Kernels). It will probably be alot better a multi tasking when you are running alot of programs.
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Even better than the review is the first guys response about locked bootloaders and best yet is that HTC is "MARGINALLY" better than Samsung at looking after their customers.
That is one good looking phone though, IMO much more so than both the Evo 3D and the S2. With new hardware and software I'm not too worried about performance, using the stock software on the Evo now compared to when it was first released it's like using a completely different phone.
I definitely agree about the asychrynous cpu..a lot of these reviewers don't take that into account when saying that the sgs2 kicked the sensations ass on quadrant as well as other benchmarks.when its clear that the sensations chip is only working on one core...I'm not worried about cpu/gpu performance..I just hope the camera and qhd screen is up to snuff
Yes the sensation is def a looker..
The thing that I think is disappointing about the sensation is the design with the battery. Based on that I dont see how an extended life battery is possible which may not be a big deal for some but for the average user that doesnt do custom roms may have an issue with it if. Just my 2 cents. But the phone definitely looks good and feels even better in hand.
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I definitely agree about the asychrynous cpu..a lot of these reviewers don't take that into account when saying that the sgs2 kicked the sensations ass on quadrant as well as other benchmarks.when its clear that the sensations chip is only working on one core.
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Except that the Sensation was winning all of the CPU benchmarks. It's the GPU where the GS2 was kicking the Sensation's ass, although the Sensation is pushing 35% more pixels.
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Man, this phone could be a dual core turd and still be faster than my Hero.
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Man, this phone could be a dual core turd and still be faster than my Hero.
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Lol I know right, I'm getting this phone regardless I'm freaking tired of my hero.
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Lol I know right, I'm getting this phone regardless I'm freaking tired of my hero.
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Indeed. Laggy is Sense on the Hero. Even over clocked it's still laggy as crap.
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Indeed. Laggy is Sense on the Hero. Even over clocked it's still laggy as crap.
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I feel the same about my Evo, I swear its getting slower every day...I can't imagine how you guys must feel.
I had a hero a while back b4 my rooting days..I liked it at first ..but then it just got frustrating..on the other hand my evo is still really snappy..besides some graphically intensive games I still think it holds its own even vs the newer releases..the new dual core phones are the only ones that got my attention..BTW the benchmarks I was talking about was quadrant..the sensation was in the mid 2000's while the gs2 was in high 3000's. I thought that used both the cpu/gpu..that's why all those gs2 fans were user when they benchmarked the 8660 oc'd to 1.5 ghz and it whooped ass..again really don't matter unless it translates into a better user experience..
Why is it that in most reviews they never talk about battery life? To me that is one of the most important things in a phone. I want to know if I have to leave alone all day for it to last or can I use it a lot and get a day with it. I wish they would just do a real world test and review about battery life. Has anyone heard anything battery wise about this phone cuz if it's good should we expect the evo to be better
From.what I've seen it performed well as far as the battery goes..you should be able to get through an entire day with reasonable use..and your right the 3d should do better you would think with that large battery..anyone know if the screens are identicAL on these phones?
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Hey guys..I'm read almost everything on xda but rarely post. I've been following this phone and I am very excited about the 3d. I was happy to see reviews on the sensation since it is similar to the Evo 3d. Anyway I was a little underwhelmed. It seemed like the.phone wasn't optimized very well and it was a little buggy..pinch.to zoom was buggy on some videos..the viewing angles seemed bad even when compared to older HTC devices. I hate to say it but the gs2 seems more refined. I will never buy a Samsung so it hurts to say that..one positive thing is that the hardware is terrific on these phones and with the great devs on xda I'm sure they will smooth things out..I hope I'm wrong and that maybe the.reviews I saw were no indication on the e3d performance
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I'm just asking what reviews are you basing this off of? I haven't seen one video, or review that was with the final product yet. Even the Video when the pphone was 1st announced, which I seem to think are some of the best they even say that it's far from finished. So unless someone knows someone that has a final product in their hand I think this is a little premature.
This is in the general section, so I think I'm safe posting this, heh.
I'm going to start by saying this: I love my E3D. I left TMo before getting the Sensation to come back to Sprint for the Evo 3D. Locked bootloader or no, broken promises or no, this is the BADDEST device I've ever had my hands on!
That being said, yes, I'm more than a tad honked off @ HTC for tossing us BS/No answers for the bootloader unlocking issue, and have sent my emails to them in kind. I've been watching the Facebook/Twitter/Official Web sites since these shenanigans started, and what I see shocks me... People literally THREATENING HTC with things ranging from something as severe as hacking the company, to as minor as just returning their phones.
The worst I see though, are the threats to go with the Galaxy S2.
How quickly some forget the crap that Samsung was party to in regards to the Moment, the Epic/Vibrant/Captivate/Fascinate, and the Intercept. Did we all just blank out that time in our collective consciousness, the crap that was packaged as a Samsung device? How terrible they performed? How they kept promising phantom updates that would not show up at all or materialize, brick phones, then be pulled off the market? How they liked to fall apart and not work? The only Samsung device worth its salt, that I can see, is the Nexus S - and that's mostly because it was pure Google software.
Sure, the GS2 may have killer specs that make our Evo 3D's look like yesterday's garbage, but I've not once had ANY issue with my HTC devices from WM6 to Android - but I've had nothing but a terrible history with Sammy, and I know I'm not the only one.
So... IJS. My 2 cents on the whole issue - I hope it was coherent enough to make Sense (lolz)... pain killers for the back are a b****.
Edit: I just read the post with the HTC response that they WILL unlock the bootloader, so that's at least a step in the right direction..
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I didn't even know about the complaining on Facebook until I read this post...it all seems ridiculous. They announced they would unlock the bootloader probably well after the 3D went into final production. The update is coming, I have no doubt in my mind that it will.
That being said, however, one post kinda made me laugh a little: "Give us s-off or you can f-off."
I'm hoping every thread on the 1st page of the Evo 3d general forums is filled with complaining about bootloader's. Seems to be the trend.
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What might that be? Both have 1.2 ghz dual core cpus, and 1gb ram. Evo has QHD display vs Super Amoled Plus, 8mp with 1080p video vs 3D capture, Extra speed cuz of the lighter interface vs the awesomeness of Sense etc. I see them as very very close in specs and comparible in almost everything, its just which feature set interests you the most
Personally im head over heels happy with the E3D and i think i can wait a bit till the bootloader is unlocked
s3nT Fr0m aN0tH3r dIm3nSi0n (EVO 3D)
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I didn't even know about the complaining on Facebook until I read this post...it all seems ridiculous. They announced they would unlock the bootloader probably well after the 3D went into final production. The update is coming, I have no doubt in my mind that it will.
That being said, however, one post kinda made me laugh a little: "Give us s-off or you can f-off."
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That did crack me up.
The complaining got them to step up and commit to unlock in the first place. That HTC page is going to be a warzone until they start systematically issuing the OTAs that will unlock these devices we paid for.
...and so far as the threats of buying Samsung, while I agree with you (except that the NexusS is somehow any better...same weak radios, my main concern), consumers should 'vote with their wallet' more often. Then companies might be a little more cautious about trying bull**** like this. Even if they provide a technically better product if it is not provided on terms you agree with (locked) or worse yet the company lies to you about future functionality...well...vote with your wallet. That's a language they'll understand.
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What might that be? Both have 1.2 ghz dual core cpus, and 1gb ram. Evo has QHD display vs Super Amoled Plus, 8mp with 1080p video vs 3D capture, Extra speed cuz of the lighter interface vs the awesomeness of Sense etc. I see them as very very close in specs and comparible in almost everything, its just which feature set interests you the most
Personally im head over heels happy with the E3D and i think i can wait a bit till the bootloader is unlocked
s3nT Fr0m aN0tH3r dIm3nSi0n (EVO 3D)
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I completely agree with you, and I stay away from everything Sammy usually, so I didn't fully realize how close the devices are hardware-wise.
I'm digging my 3d capability, and I think I've almost got it dialed-in.
All I know is I compared my EVO 3d to my (rich) buddies unlocked galaxy s2. I prefer the EVO 3d screen, and this one is ever bit as fast. No questions....all you got to do is turn off the animations in display settings and the speed is instantaneous since it is bypassing the fading animation. Slap adw launcher and the phone is as fast as a phone can possibly be.
All things compared, camera as well, the EVO 3d excelled along side the gs2. My buddy....he is contemplating switching to sprint just for this phone.
All in all the gs2 appears fast because the touchwiz launcher is a barebone launcher....only cosmetic differences from vanilla...
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Ive had SGS2 for two weeks. 3D actually is faster to me. Consistantly.
But camera? Nope. Not really close unfortunately.
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All I know is I compared my EVO 3d to my (rich) buddies unlocked galaxy s2. I prefer the EVO 3d screen, and this one is ever bit as fast. No questions....all you got to do is turn off the animations in display settings and the speed is instantaneous since it is bypassing the fading animation. Slap adw launcher and the phone is as fast as a phone can possibly be.
All things compared, camera as well, the EVO 3d excelled along side the gs2. My buddy....he is contemplating switching to sprint just for this phone.
All in all the gs2 appears fast because the touchwiz launcher is a barebone launcher....only cosmetic differences from vanilla...
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Really? Well I'm no camera expert. In the lab, which is all flourescent lighting....EVO 3d did spectacular.
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For those who were interested, I ran some Benchmark scores of the DX2 vs. the HTC Rezound. The first score is the Rezound. Ran quadrant 3 times because I never could get good results from it whenever I used to run it. The X2 does pretty well
Antutu
5475......4863
Quadrant
Test 1: 2226......2453
Test 2: 2430......2668
Test 3: 2499......2775
Average: 2385......2632
CF Bench
Native score: 10829......9152
Java score: 3112.......2572
Overall: 6198.......5204
How bout a smartbench2011 comparison?
I have found that benchmark app to be most reliable in terms of accuracy vs. Realworld performance
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For those who were interested, I ran some Benchmark scores of the DX2 vs. the HTC Rezound. The first score is the Rezound. Ran quadrant 3 times because I never could get good results from it whenever I used to run it. The X2 does pretty well
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Test 1: 2226......2453
Test 2: 2430......2668
Test 3: 2499......2775
Average: 2385......2632
CF Bench
Native score: 10829......9152
Java score: 3112.......2572
Overall: 6198.......5204
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Well this really says two things, more gHz doesn't mean faster (something that only us comp guys seem to know) and benchmarks don't mention why this differences are.
1. Resound has a resolution of 1280x720. DX2 has 960x540. Less resolution = faster calculations.
2. Rezound has a snapdragon S3, it's a Cortex A-8 architecture with optimized I/O and cache. DX2 has a Tegra 2-a CortexA-9- much better per-clock performance.
3. DX2 has LPDDR2 ram. As far as I know, Rezound only has DDR. DDR2 is much faster than DDR.
Alright, ran some smart bench test. These were the best I could get from both phones. The Rezound scores are first.
Smartbench 2011
Productivity: 3278.....2782
Games: 2358......2592
And the Rezound does have DDR2. It's pretty quick overall. It does take a lot to run that screen with such a high resolution, but I've done quite a bit with it and can't seem to get it to lag at all. It's a really amazing phone and extremely snappy. I hope they can get a permanent root solution soon. Just thought I would post these scores, though, to show that the DX2 is still worthy of attention. I just hope the devs don't drop it when the Galaxy Nexus comes out. I'd still love to see what this thing can do without that damn bootloader being locked.
I took ash advice and I am running eclipse 1.3 with v6 supercharger as he told how to set it up and also speedy 7. On benchmark 2011 I am getting 3200+ and 2600+ my phone is smoking fast right now.
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I took ash advice and I am running eclipse 1.3 with v6 supercharger as he told how to set it up and also speedy 7. On benchmark 2011 I am getting 3200+ and 2600+ my phone is smoking fast right now.
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Those are some damn good numbers. I was running Liberty with Speedy v7 and the build.prop mashup when I tested the DX2. I could never get Eclipse to run the way I wanted it to on my phone. I'll be getting rid of my DX2 because my friend needs a new phone, but I can't say that I won't miss it. The Rezound is a very solid piece of equipment with an absolute gorgeous screen, but the DX2 can still hold its own when comparing the two. I live in an area where the 4g is really strong, so the Rezound kind of destroys the DX2 in that regard. Plus, I'm a pretty big fan of Sense 3.5. The guys over at the Rezound forum say they have an ICS Sense 3.5 coming soon, so that should be cool. I'll certainly miss a lot about the DX2, but not enough that I'll regret getting the Rezound.
Coming from a former X2 owner, with every mod possible it bears no comparison to the Rezound. Those benchmark scores are not anything to take serious anyways, and we all know this. I would never go back to the X2. Not to mention, I pull 48Mbps DL and 22 UL on LTE. We don't even have root yet, and this phone is better than the X2. Sense 3.5 is VERY heavy though, so running a bench on it would be the equivalent of buying a phone with every bloatware app known to man, lol. Not to mention our Camera is immensely better, we have a front camera that is really good, for what it is.
Basically, my point is, don't go by these dump benchmark numbers. It is all going to be in user preference anyways.
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Coming from a former X2 owner, with every mod possible it bears no comparison to the Rezound. Those benchmark scores are not anything to take serious anyways, and we all know this. I would never go back to the X2. Not to mention, I pull 48Mbps DL and 22 UL on LTE. We don't even have root yet, and this phone is better than the X2. Sense 3.5 is VERY heavy though, so running a bench on it would be the equivalent of buying a phone with every bloatware app known to man, lol.
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Yeah bro I feel ya
But I ain't buying the rezound until bootloader is cracked.
It just don't feel right.
Almost feels like the rezound is gonna be to HTC like the X2 is to.moto.
just got an eerie feeling its gonna be the "step child" no one cares bout.
And I REALLY hope im wrong cuz I was highly considering buying it lol
We will see what happens...
And even tho benchmarks aren't much to "go by" I have noticed my smartbench scores show very well how my phone is performing at that time...when scores have been crap my music skipped video lag etc...when I got good scores everything was smooth and sweet....I use it as a type of "guide" to what I should tweak
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Coming from a former X2 owner, with every mod possible it bears no comparison to the Rezound. Those benchmark scores are not anything to take serious anyways, and we all know this. I would never go back to the X2. Not to mention, I pull 48Mbps DL and 22 UL on LTE. We don't even have root yet, and this phone is better than the X2. Sense 3.5 is VERY heavy though, so running a bench on it would be the equivalent of buying a phone with every bloatware app known to man, lol. Not to mention our Camera is immensely better, we have a front camera that is really good, for what it is.
Basically, my point is, don't go by these dump benchmark numbers. It is all going to be in user preference anyways.
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Well said. Never said I would go back to the X2, just that I'll miss it...a little. Moto for me is like an old family dog. She's been with me through thick and thin back to the first flip Razr that I had in grad school. And Sense is extremely heavy, but it's so damn nice. Sooooo many options that are much better to look at than Blur.
Oh, and Ash, the bootloader is unlocked on the Rezound. I'm sure you've heard. It's just Big Red kicking and screaming and not letting us have it. If you don't mind spending the money, I'm sure you can get one with it unlocked. Saw one kernel the other day OCing at 1.83gHz. Not too bad, though I'd almost rather have the S-Off to underclock this damn thing. Battery life is not too great. I'd say that would be the only bad thing about this phone. Other than that, it is one sexy beast.
AtLemacks said:
Coming from a former X2 owner, with every mod possible it bears no comparison to the Rezound. Those benchmark scores are not anything to take serious anyways, and we all know this. I would never go back to the X2. Not to mention, I pull 48Mbps DL and 22 UL on LTE. We don't even have root yet, and this phone is better than the X2. Sense 3.5 is VERY heavy though, so running a bench on it would be the equivalent of buying a phone with every bloatware app known to man, lol. Not to mention our Camera is immensely better, we have a front camera that is really good, for what it is.
Basically, my point is, don't go by these dump benchmark numbers. It is all going to be in user preference anyways.
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Oh, and Ash, the bootloader is unlocked on the Rezound. I'm sure you've heard. It's just Big Red kicking and screaming and not letting us have it. If you don't mind spending the money, I'm sure you can get one with it unlocked. Saw one kernel the other day OCing at 1.83gHz. Not too bad, though I'd almost rather have the S-Off to underclock this damn thing. Battery life is not too great. I'd say that would be the only bad thing about this phone. Other than that, it is one sexy beast.
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Oh? I haven't been research lately on the rezound bootloader lol
And I am DEFINITELY the last to complain bout battery life. I don't expect to go 3days wit my use Hahaha I walk around wit mu charger in my cargo pants
I've given up on battery life until my pops helps perfect the technology of the Li battery. Its mail lying for car batteries to last longer..but as soon as that has been perfected it will equate to WEEKS not days of battery life for cell phones across the board
I give it a few years at most trust me...wont be long ....
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Yeah bro I feel ya
But I ain't buying the rezound until bootloader is cracked.
It just don't feel right.
Almost feels like the rezound is gonna be to HTC like the X2 is to.moto.
just got an eerie feeling its gonna be the "step child" no one cares bout.
And I REALLY hope im wrong cuz I was highly considering buying it lol
We will see what happens...
And even tho benchmarks aren't much to "go by" I have noticed my smartbench scores show very well how my phone is performing at that time...when scores have been crap my music skipped video lag etc...when I got good scores everything was smooth and sweet....I use it as a type of "guide" to what I should tweak
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So far, it looks like a lot of big name HTC devs are making the transition, we have several big names working on S-Off and root. It has gained a lot bigger following than the X2 did in this short of a time. I am being optimistic because it seems that everyone is confident they can crack it.
BTW, when did you become such a PW and gain so many "Thanks"? lol
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The other positive, when Amazon ran their Penny deal both Verizon and Amazon had/have the Rezound on backorder. So either they had short supply, or a LOT of people bought them. They stopped the Rezound a day or 2 early actually.
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So far, it looks like a lot of big name HTC devs are making the transition, we have several big names working on S-Off and root. It has gained a lot bigger following than the X2 did in this short of a time. I am being optimistic because it seems that everyone is confident they can crack it.
BTW, when did you become such a PW and gain so many "Thanks"? lol
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I am happy to hear that. Im.just hoping that it isn't crazy encrypted like ours.
as soon as I see it cracked 100% and devs going wild ill be.on it.
I might just grab nexus anyways lol...I am being patient on ALL fronts tho
Sorry PW? lol font know what that means...
But I think I would have.more "thanks"; if more people could find the button Hahaha
im a "thanks a holic" lol.. if u could thank my.PMs I think I would have 100 more lol
Damn, that would be nice
No, I definitely don't expect a device to go more than a day, but I generally want it to at least last the entire day. I can generally get about half a day with my Rezound. Granted, I do use it A LOT, but still. I'll be getting an extra battery soon to carry around. I'd rather have an extra than use a stupid extended battery. Those things are too big, especially for this phone.
And HTC has allowed for all of their bootloaders to be unlocked. I couldn't tell you how to get one that has it unlocked, but I'm sure they're out there and not cheap. It's all VZW keeping HTC from allowing us to unlock it in the States. The stock kernel source code was released, though, a while back. Currently all roots right now on the forum and around the web aren't permanent. It's coming, though. I felt the same way you do about this phone being left behind once the Nexus comes out, but this thing, based on specs, should be able to destroy that phone, too. I'm just ready for the HTC Zeta...4 cores of 2.5gHz amazingness Let's hope they release it in time for my upgrade.
"Post Whore", lol.
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Damn, that would be nice
No, I definitely don't expect a device to go more than a day, but I generally want it to at least last the entire day. I can generally get about half a day with my Rezound. Granted, I do use it A LOT, but still. I'll be getting an extra battery soon to carry around. I'd rather have an extra than use a stupid extended battery. Those things are too big, especially for this phone.
And HTC has allowed for all of their bootloaders to be unlocked. I couldn't tell you how to get one that has it unlocked, but I'm sure they're out there and not cheap. It's all VZW keeping HTC from allowing us to unlock it in the States. The stock kernel source code was released, though, a while back. Currently all roots right now on the forum and around the web aren't permanent. It's coming, though. I felt the same way you do about this phone being left behind once the Nexus comes out, but this thing, based on specs, should be able to destroy that phone, too. I'm just ready for the HTC Zeta...4 cores of 2.5gHz amazingness Let's hope they release it in time for my upgrade.
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Yeah I feel ya on that.
But I really feel the battery technology isn't that far off.(my few yrs guestimette was overboard I feel) it wont be.long till the batteries available match the phones they go into performance wise.
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And I have a feeling vzw has a class action lawsuit coming to them soon regarding their bootloader policy....they have no right to stop us from doing what we want with our property .....and they let some go unlocked but some not? Yeah....lawsuit is matter of time to allow for our freedom to be respected ....
Any big time.lawyers reading this? Lol
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Yeah I feel ya on that.
But I really feel the battery technology isn't that far off.(my few yrs guestimette was overboard I feel) it wont be.long till the batteries available match the phones they go into performance wise.
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And I have a feeling vzw has a class action lawsuit coming to them soon regarding their bootloader policy....they have no right to stop us from doing what we want with our property .....and they let some go unlocked but some not? Yeah....lawsuit is matter of time to allow for our freedom to be respected ....
Any big time.lawyers reading this? Lol
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Umm, yeah, especially since it's the Android OPEN Source Project. Exactly what is open about a locked bootloader that won't allow you to use your device. That would be like purchasing a pad of notebook paper with all of the pages glued together simply because the paper company "didn't feel we were ready for that much power." Give me a break.
HTC, Motorola, and many others have seen the light and are allowing for unlocked bootloaders. It's only a matter of time before Verizon does, as well. I think it's mainly the issue with warranty and such. If we have a phone that we can do anything with, quite a few people will break them. OC them so much that they fry. Stuff like that. Unfortunately, I think VZW would win the lawsuit on that front. But I'm all for it. I know there would be hundreds of thousands of signatures to put on a petition to get unlocked bootloaders.
Ok, the reason I'm making this thread is to inform others of the good & bad of different users experience with this phone. I'm just noticing that some folks on here have complaints from using their HTC Evo 4G. (even though its common for any electronic device) maybe you just have a faulty device, or you just ain't open enough and complain about any little thing. This thread will help others in making a decision in purchasing their future smart phone. So happy hunting! And refer people to this thread if they are looking forward in THE ALMIGHTY BEAST, The HTC Evo 4G LTE.
Exclusive for Sprint Users Only!
No matter what the percentage is for the TROUBLED devices and the HEAVENLY devices. I will stay and continue to enjoy using my EVO 4G.
On that note I'll start off by saying...
I been rocking my EVO 4G (stock) since
September 15, 2012 and its been a solid device. No complaints with lags, performance or camera quality.(it is in fact a little over-saturated) but not a big deal. Screen looks solid, not yellowish or any other color. I'm a heavy user which in fact is always running the music app, xda app, Instagram, f.b, chess game app, mail, messages. And I often check Google play for new themes and shyt. Lol..My device is always ON most of the day.
It's a Soldier!
So what is your experience with you Evo 4G? The good & the bad...
Beast Mode, ON!
Iphone score :thumbdown:
And my EVO 4G LTE score
So I agree IPHONE KILLA!
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Iphone score :thumbdown:
And my EVO 4G LTE score
So I agree IPHONE KILLA!
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Really wish those phone sites would show how a rooted android phone will kill the iPhone if its jailbroke or not. Being able to overclock and mod almost any android phone can kill it on benchmarks.
That being said, benchmarks don't necessarily mean the end all be all.
Anthonicia said:
Really wish those phone sites would show how a rooted android phone will kill the iPhone if its jailbroke or not. Being able to overclock and mod almost any android phone can kill it on benchmarks.
That being said, benchmarks don't necessarily mean the end all be all.
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Benchmarks can be easily faked and are not a reliable sourse of "performance" if its fast its fast if not.. well make it fast
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PuRE IVIonztah said:
Benchmarks can be easily faked and are not a reliable sourse of "performance" if its fast its fast if not.. well make it fast
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People always say "benchmarks can be faked" sure, they can be... But generally they're not. Benchmarks are around for a reason, one of them being that they are generally accurate. A phone that scores significantly higher on a benchmark WILL perform better under more conditions than the lesser phone.
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I would have to say I would rather stay with a android phone for a lot of reasons. People can say I phones are where its at, and droid phone are buggy and less refined. I've had some issues with my evo lte. Just had to replace my screen, because I fell asleep while playing a graphics heavy game and when I woke up my phone was about a hundred and fifty degrees and the was a dime sized black spot over where the processor is. But I enjoy taking stuff apart and fixing it and there's always helpful people and forums to help you learn.
People like to complain about little things the don't particularly like about a HTC phones, but if you think about what was out there a couple of years ago, what is available now is freaking amazing. So that's always something to consider. You can go out and get the next super phone every month, but what we have now is still pretty good. As long as you keep your gear up to date and utilize all the hard work devs put out. Its almost like have a new phone. The current hardware out rite now isnt even being fully utilized.
One bad thing that's happening though is a lot of software and game devopers are dropping android due to all the piracy. So apples strict and heavy handed product controlled has one beneficial affect. But I think android is going to be around for a long time and its still my first choice.
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