I currently have the incredible 2 and am thinking of coming to the dx2. With a little research doesn't look like there's much dev support for here or is that because its so new? Just trying to see if its a good idea and looking for a couple opinions. Thanks!
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We're at the beginning of the cycle with this phone so I think that is the reason you don't see much activity yet. An SBF was just procured and some developments are starting to trickle out. I just moved from the original DROID and so far I'm very pleased with this phone. I've rooted with gingerbreak and am running the supercharger script.
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Lack of dev support was due to a locked bootloader...we still have a locked bootloader but we do have a way into a custom recovery. It is just a matter of revs hopping on and making roms.
99% of the devs looking into this are prob passing it up until we get gingerbread so they don't have to make their roms twice.
Thanks, just read another thread and realized the questions were asked. Had same issue with dinc2 bootloader being locked but finally was cracked and am rooted now. Phone is great I like it but because of signal issues in my area Verizon is sending me a Droid x2 to try out. Dev support for dinc2 isn't that great either but got the main roms like CM7 and miui with couple others brewing. Just trying to decide if this would be a good switch. Thanks
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So anyone heard any word on if our x2's will get ics or 2.3.5?
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I am sure now that Google took the reigns the X2 will be on the list(not the top, but on it) to get ICS.
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I am sure now that Google took the reigns the X2 will be on the list(not the top, but on it) to get ICS.
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The one thing everyone seems to forget though is how old this phone will be once this actually goes through. It takes a long time for the legal part of corporate acquisitions to go through. Google won't actually be having a say in moto for at least a year, if not longer. It wasn't really to have a hardware company anyways, it was a patent grab for protection. They have also said moto will remain a separate company and act as such, so...
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The other part of the equation is the dev community. With active, dedicated developers, many good things can come our way. Most of the best stuff we had on the fascinate wasn't the result of anything specifically released for the vzw fascinate. Alot was adapted by our devs from releases for other galaxy s variants, but we benefited from it because of their efforts. That's why I think we need to treat them as the resource that they are. One of the best devs on the fascinate recently left xda because of all the drama & he wasn't the first. If you want more work to be done on this phone than you gotta do your part to lessen the crap, not make more.
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The other part of the equation is the dev community. With active, dedicated developers, many good things can come our way. Most of the best stuff we had on the fascinate wasn't the result of anything specifically released for the vzw fascinate. Alot was adapted by our devs from releases for other galaxy s variants, but we benefited from it because of their efforts. That's why I think we need to treat them as the resource that they are. One of the best devs on the fascinate recently left xda because of all the drama & he wasn't the first. If you want more work to be done on this phone than you gotta do your part to lessen the crap, not make more.
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But it also had an unlocked bl and that help'd make a couple dev's come, we have 3 devs and i don't think any of them are happy
I know google aquiring Motorola really wasn't gonna change anything at least for awhile, but I mean moto hasn't been the slowest on updates. Although Verizon may get in the way of any speedy update
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But it also had an unlocked bl and that help'd make a couple dev's come, we have 3 devs and i don't think any of them are happy
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You are right there. Samsung is more dev friendly with initial firmware features but from what I've gathered their code's a frustrating nightmare & updates are painfully slow. Plus the nonstandard file structure adds the necessity of conversion for any type of real performance kick. Nothing is perfect, that's for sure. I'm just thankful to have a phone that works like a phone first and a hobby second.
As far as the devs are concerned, nitro & naven did excellent work for the fascinate community & I've been really thankful to see them here, not to minimize any of the other contributors on this forum in any way. All of them do something I don't know how to & I get to benefit from it; that's win-win in my book. So, what can we do as participants & beneficiaries to make these guys want to stick around?
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Did froyo for the Droid X2 have an unlocked bootloader?
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No. Droid X2 did not have an unlocked bootloader at any point.
Still waiting for the bootloader to get unlocked. It's only a matter of time.
Im sure its been answered before...but what is the real advantage to an unlocked bootloader?
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With root we can only do higher level stuff, bootloader access has the arability to change core items within android. For example changing wifi to infrastructure mode instead of ADHOC, changing clock speeds, completely customized roms with kernel access, along with loads of other things.
Dang. I was thinking that if it did, we would have a much easier time just going back to froyo and making awesome ROMs with custom kernals and stuff. I came from the Fascinate, and we had all of that good stuff. I just miss it, that's all. Lol.
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Yeah, but soon, soon we will have a very nice bootstrap utility along with clockworkmod which will hopefully give us a little more developer attention. Until then just enjoy our nice stable android experience we have=).
Very true. We do have some great developers right now even without custom kernels and whatnot. Its all very stable and easy to work with. I may even get into developing soon. It seems pretty... kinda... not really easy. But i would love to learn if nitro or someone wants to give me some pointers.
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Learn java and let me tell you its not easy Haha, i'm currently plugging away at c++ and c# and its not easy
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Some nice ROMs and themes came around after the bootloader was unlocked last summer, but I can't help but feel as though the dev community is done with it. There's still no Cyanogen and I just know it's not getting any ICS goodness.
Why is that? The Droid X2 is still one of the best Android phones out there, plenty of people have it. Opinions?
The bootloader has never been unlocked.
The X2 is a great phone....if you've never played around with another android device before.
we still have devs around, like dragonz, ace, masta, and that team, theyre trying to port over CM7 and we have 2nd-init, so theres still dev love, but with the BL not being unlocked as of yet there isnt too much we can do at this moment
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As stated, the bootloader is not unlocked. Root was acquired, but that is different from unlocking the bootloader.
But I feel what else hurts it is the 512mb main memory. Even though it's a dual-core phone, the limited main memory has hurt it, IMHO.
But, the locked bootloader is what has really held this phone back. As stated by ztotherad, you can only release so many deodexed ROMs before it just doesn't matter anymore. I think we are getting to that point.
Since the kernel and bootloader are locked, you can't do much more customization.
We are on the brink of aosp roms running on our phones. That has taken a lot of time to work on, and by some wonderful devs. It may have taken a while bit this phone is starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Really there are now only a small handful of things this phone cannot do, like overclock, but we are now seeing a huge door open for us and its all because of "dev love", a few never gave up on this phone even though so many others have.
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We are on the brink of aosp roms running on our phones. That has taken a lot of time to work on, and by some wonderful devs. It may have taken a while bit this phone is starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Really there are now only a small handful of things this phone cannot do, like overclock, but we are now seeing a huge door open for us and its all because of "dev love", a few never gave up on this phone even though so many others have.
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and honestly, im so grateful for these devs, if it wasnt because of them wed be in the same boat as my devour (with no dev support). so im thankful we have amazing devs!
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Some nice ROMs and themes came around after the bootloader was unlocked last summer, but I can't help but feel as though the dev community is done with it. There's still no Cyanogen and I just know it's not getting any ICS goodness.
Why is that? The Droid X2 is still one of the best Android phones out there, plenty of people have it. Opinions?
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If you have an unlocked bootloader u.need to share that right now
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if you have an unlocked bootloader u.need to share that right now
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exactly, share yo' keys, bro! :d
There are devs cranking out code for the X2 as I write this. Have you even read any of the threads in the development forum?
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The bootloader has never been unlocked.
The X2 is a great phone....if you've never played around with another android device before.
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That depends.
My previous phone was an LG Vortex - ARM6 processor, 600mhz processor, Android 2.2.
So, the X2 is a major upgrade compared to that sorry excuse for an android phone. But hey, it was free!
Why no dev love for the x2?!
That's an understatement to the awesome devs that we do have. There 2nd-init development is no joke.Im suprised they stuck with the dx2 and didnt move to another device seeing as how difficult it is to work with. I have faith in the devs here with the dx2 in a matter of time they'll get it running sum sweetness.
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Why no dev love for the x2?!
That's an understatement to the awesome devs that we do have. There 2nd-init development is no joke.Im suprised they stuck with the dx2 and didnt move to another device seeing as how difficult it is to work with. I have faith in the devs here with the dx2 in a matter of time they'll get it running sum sweetness.
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I concur. Look at Nitro. He's moved on with a different Moto device yet he still updates the Eclipse ROM for us. Heck, he's juggling Eclipse for three phones.
There's dev love for the X2.
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How in the world can you say that there is no development for this phone? Yes, it's been slow, and yes, not a lot are on it. But the ones who are (definitely myself included) are hard at work trying to get this thing going.
Read the development forums. I have at least two [REF] posts in there that explain a lot of the work I've been doing. In fact the one about CM7 needs another update. I update my twitter before I update that though. It's @dragonzkiller. Even if you don't have an account just look me up and you can see that I've been making a lot of progress with CM7. That, sir, is dev love.
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How in the world can you say that there is no development for this phone? Yes, it's been slow, and yes, not a lot are on it. But the ones who are (definitely myself included) are hard at work trying to get this thing going.
Read the development forums. I have at least two [REF] posts in there that explain a lot of the work I've been doing. In fact the one about CM7 needs another update. I update my twitter before I update that though. It's @dragonzkiller. Even if you don't have an account just look me up and you can see that I've been making a lot of progress with CM7. That, sir, is dev love.
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Sic em boy!!! ARF ARF GGRRRRR....LOL j/k
Your work is GREATLY appreciated by those of us who know what's going on
Thanks for all the insane amount of time you put into this....(and everyone else to!)
Thanks for me filling me in; didn't realize that having root and unlocking the boot loader were different. I wasn't hating on the devs when I said there was no love; there is plenty of it, it's just that X2 ROMs never seem to play nice, and low RAM doesn't help an often slow and buggy UI.
I consider myself a ROM junkie and am running RazrX 1.1 now. But I don't want to give up my Razr for the Nexus or whatever. I have gotten so bored from waiting around that I resorted to dicking around on my GFs Sensation.
Bootloaders are a *****, aren't they? I hear the Sensation has a pretty good ICS port going.
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Bootloaders are a *****, aren't they? I hear the Sensation has a pretty good ICS port going.
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I love this phone, but it's really testing my patience. And they do, it's pretty awesome. And she doesn't know what I am doing, so I can really get ballsy.
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Can totally relate. As you can tell from my device history, I'm used to flashing something new every other week, or at least milking my device for the best possible performance.
I'm actually more of a fan of custom kernels than ROMs, since there's so much kanging and "speed improvements"/"custom scripts"/buzzword featurelist nonimprovements that a lot of new-to-new-ish ROM chefs will include without necessarily knowing what they actually do, if anything. Kernel developers tend to have a bit more of a handle on what's actually going on at both hardware and software levels by sheer necessity.
No discredit to ROM chefs, have the utmost respect for people putting their hard work out there, it's just personal preference. I can just accomplish most of what I want on rooted, deodexed stock - or CM and MIUI are good options. So yeah, that bootloader bothers me a lot, I'd honestly expected it to be unlocked by now.
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http://www.droid-life.com/2012/05/21/motorola-not-upgrading-the-droid-3-and-droid-x2-to-ics-because-it-wont-improve-them/
Such bull****.
Well coming from Motorola and Verizon " their " ics with bloatware would probably run worse. So it may be true
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Ya well I can give a **** who owns Motorola now, I will never by another Motorola phone again. This was decided before the announcement, but it certainly doesn't help. My last three phones were Motorola, and its my fifth Motorola phone over all. Never again. I am done with their bull**** and if Google keeps up their assault on user privacy, I will toss them out as well.
Corporate America seriously needs a kick in the ass to straighten them out.
Kids, stop whining! The droid x2 is running ics! Maybe try contributing a little bit of positivity to the community to help the developers. Honestly, you all make me sick with these posts
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Kids, stop whining! The droid x2 is running ics! Maybe try contributing a little bit of positivity to the community to help the developers. Honestly, you all make me sick with these posts
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your argument has no weight until CM9 is out of alpha and has some functioning features
I would rather have a fully working cm9 if not for DK you would have no cm9 at all.
Pixelation I hope you were joking. No official ics, cutting off unlimited data and you are fine with all this?
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Kids, stop whining! The droid x2 is running ics! Maybe try contributing a little bit of positivity to the community to help the developers. Honestly, you all make me sick with these posts
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This has absolutely no relevance. This isn't a whining post. Peoples disdain for moto and Verizon has nothing to do with the community. Everyone here is very supportive and appreciative of the devs hard work. But who wouldn't want an official ics for our phone? It would help the devs a lot. Chill out with your misplaced self righteousness.
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If you got official ics I bet DK would give you a Stable cm9 the next day with everything working.
We still would do well with a kernel that is for ICS.
Yawn.... I am so past this mess. Just waiting for my wireless contract to end so I can get a new phone. Until then, I'll run Eclipse until Dzk hopefully releases a more stable build of CM9X2. But, I do understand that he does have a life outside of playing with the X2, so I will not hold my breath.
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Yawn.... I am so past this mess. Just waiting for my wireless contract to end so I can get a new phone. Until then, I'll run Eclipse until Dzk hopefully releases a more stable build of CM9X2. But, I do understand that he does have a life outside of playing with the X2, so I will not hold my breath.
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I'm in the same boat as you, running Eclipse.
I've been running cm9 since release and it hasn't locked up or restarted? I find its actually not to unstable although I don't use camera and don't run many apps. Battery life is a little bit worse than cm7. Lack of flash I think is the worst I personally see.
Edit... I think cm9 would be a lot more stable for folks if they would turn off auto rotation for the time being.
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I've been running cm9 since release and it hasn't locked up or restarted? I find its actually not to unstable although I don't use camera and don't run many apps. Battery life is a little bit worse than cm7. Lack of flash I think is the worst I personally see.
Edit... I think cm9 would be a lot more stable for folks if they would turn off auto rotation for the time being.
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I'm going to turn off auto rotation and see if that helps.
That's the only difference I can see as to why I don't have a lot of fc's or random reboots. I hope it works for you. I think cm9 gets an undeserved bad rap because a lot of people forget its a very early alpha and try to run it like its an oe rom.
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