Did froyo for the Droid X2 have an unlocked bootloader?
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No. Droid X2 did not have an unlocked bootloader at any point.
Still waiting for the bootloader to get unlocked. It's only a matter of time.
Im sure its been answered before...but what is the real advantage to an unlocked bootloader?
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With root we can only do higher level stuff, bootloader access has the arability to change core items within android. For example changing wifi to infrastructure mode instead of ADHOC, changing clock speeds, completely customized roms with kernel access, along with loads of other things.
Dang. I was thinking that if it did, we would have a much easier time just going back to froyo and making awesome ROMs with custom kernals and stuff. I came from the Fascinate, and we had all of that good stuff. I just miss it, that's all. Lol.
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Yeah, but soon, soon we will have a very nice bootstrap utility along with clockworkmod which will hopefully give us a little more developer attention. Until then just enjoy our nice stable android experience we have=).
Very true. We do have some great developers right now even without custom kernels and whatnot. Its all very stable and easy to work with. I may even get into developing soon. It seems pretty... kinda... not really easy. But i would love to learn if nitro or someone wants to give me some pointers.
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Learn java and let me tell you its not easy Haha, i'm currently plugging away at c++ and c# and its not easy
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I currently have the incredible 2 and am thinking of coming to the dx2. With a little research doesn't look like there's much dev support for here or is that because its so new? Just trying to see if its a good idea and looking for a couple opinions. Thanks!
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We're at the beginning of the cycle with this phone so I think that is the reason you don't see much activity yet. An SBF was just procured and some developments are starting to trickle out. I just moved from the original DROID and so far I'm very pleased with this phone. I've rooted with gingerbreak and am running the supercharger script.
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Lack of dev support was due to a locked bootloader...we still have a locked bootloader but we do have a way into a custom recovery. It is just a matter of revs hopping on and making roms.
99% of the devs looking into this are prob passing it up until we get gingerbread so they don't have to make their roms twice.
Thanks, just read another thread and realized the questions were asked. Had same issue with dinc2 bootloader being locked but finally was cracked and am rooted now. Phone is great I like it but because of signal issues in my area Verizon is sending me a Droid x2 to try out. Dev support for dinc2 isn't that great either but got the main roms like CM7 and miui with couple others brewing. Just trying to decide if this would be a good switch. Thanks
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Both the Droid X and Droid 2 are locked down, but both can be overclocked, why is that?
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Requires a custom kernel
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which requires an unlocked bootloader
As far as I know, neither the X or D2 have an unlocked bootloader or kernel access...
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As far as I know, neither the X or D2 have an unlocked bootloader or kernel access...
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Exactly, yet both can be overclocked
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Exactly, yet both can be overclocked
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I love the default answer people give to this question. Both are as locked down as this phone.
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Not sure, has moto released their source code? Without source from moto it is damn near impossible to make a custom kernel (at least the way i understand it). No custom kernel means no overclocking. Also it seems development on this phone has been pretty limited to newcomers. Once we start getting more experience support, things should take off. Nitro just released his first x2 rom and ThatDudeButch is working on his rom...these two guys alone are great resources but also with Butch we also get TeamBamf support and they can really make things happen. Not to mention, we all saw what p3droid was able to do in about a day. So to sum this all up..I guess we just have to be patient and hope more developers jump on board.
The droid 2 and the droid x can be overclocked because they actually made dev versions of those phones that were unlocked, which afforded a developer a peak under the hood so a kernel module could be written. With root that module can be installed on the locked kernel and over clock abilities are accessible. The X2 had no developer version, no way to write the proper module. Soooooo we're screwed until Moto and Big Red decide to give us the keys to our own phones.
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The droid 2 and the droid x can be overclocked because they actually made dev versions of those phones that were unlocked, which afforded a developer a peak under the hood so a kernel module could be written. With root that module can be installed on the locked kernel and over clock abilities are accessible. The X2 had no developer version, no way to write the proper module. Soooooo we're screwed until Moto and Big Red decide to give us the keys to our own phones.
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Disappointing to say the least. I have been happy with my rooted GB X2 so far but I still feel so... limited with it. A change to a different brand is surely resurfacing again in my head. Been drooling over the DINC2 for a while now but have been holding strong for the X2 waiting for some kind of miracle soon.
I'd love to see a 1.4-1.5 ghz OC on this bad boy along with AOSP GB D:.
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The droid 2 and the droid x can be overclocked because they actually made dev versions of those phones that were unlocked, which afforded a developer a peak under the hood so a kernel module could be written. With root that module can be installed on the locked kernel and over clock abilities are accessible. The X2 had no developer version, no way to write the proper module. Soooooo we're screwed until Moto and Big Red decide to give us the keys to our own phones.
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This is the kind of answer we needed, although it isn't a happy one.
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juhde said:
The droid 2 and the droid x can be overclocked because they actually made dev versions of those phones that were unlocked, which afforded a developer a peak under the hood so a kernel module could be written. With root that module can be installed on the locked kernel and over clock abilities are accessible. The X2 had no developer version, no way to write the proper module. Soooooo we're screwed until Moto and Big Red decide to give us the keys to our own phones.
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Damn you for making sense and crushing all our dreams, jerk <3
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*pops a vicodin*
Blame motorola for not making a x2 dev phone, but mostly for encrypting the bootloader keys so well. If we could just get Geohot interested he'd probably have the keys faster than a junkie diving into the pool for a crack rock.
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If we could just get Geohot interested
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Make sure he knows its not made by Sony. and no its a rabbit, I think it lives under the doghouse
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So anyone heard any word on if our x2's will get ics or 2.3.5?
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I am sure now that Google took the reigns the X2 will be on the list(not the top, but on it) to get ICS.
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I am sure now that Google took the reigns the X2 will be on the list(not the top, but on it) to get ICS.
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The one thing everyone seems to forget though is how old this phone will be once this actually goes through. It takes a long time for the legal part of corporate acquisitions to go through. Google won't actually be having a say in moto for at least a year, if not longer. It wasn't really to have a hardware company anyways, it was a patent grab for protection. They have also said moto will remain a separate company and act as such, so...
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The other part of the equation is the dev community. With active, dedicated developers, many good things can come our way. Most of the best stuff we had on the fascinate wasn't the result of anything specifically released for the vzw fascinate. Alot was adapted by our devs from releases for other galaxy s variants, but we benefited from it because of their efforts. That's why I think we need to treat them as the resource that they are. One of the best devs on the fascinate recently left xda because of all the drama & he wasn't the first. If you want more work to be done on this phone than you gotta do your part to lessen the crap, not make more.
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The other part of the equation is the dev community. With active, dedicated developers, many good things can come our way. Most of the best stuff we had on the fascinate wasn't the result of anything specifically released for the vzw fascinate. Alot was adapted by our devs from releases for other galaxy s variants, but we benefited from it because of their efforts. That's why I think we need to treat them as the resource that they are. One of the best devs on the fascinate recently left xda because of all the drama & he wasn't the first. If you want more work to be done on this phone than you gotta do your part to lessen the crap, not make more.
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But it also had an unlocked bl and that help'd make a couple dev's come, we have 3 devs and i don't think any of them are happy
I know google aquiring Motorola really wasn't gonna change anything at least for awhile, but I mean moto hasn't been the slowest on updates. Although Verizon may get in the way of any speedy update
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But it also had an unlocked bl and that help'd make a couple dev's come, we have 3 devs and i don't think any of them are happy
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You are right there. Samsung is more dev friendly with initial firmware features but from what I've gathered their code's a frustrating nightmare & updates are painfully slow. Plus the nonstandard file structure adds the necessity of conversion for any type of real performance kick. Nothing is perfect, that's for sure. I'm just thankful to have a phone that works like a phone first and a hobby second.
As far as the devs are concerned, nitro & naven did excellent work for the fascinate community & I've been really thankful to see them here, not to minimize any of the other contributors on this forum in any way. All of them do something I don't know how to & I get to benefit from it; that's win-win in my book. So, what can we do as participants & beneficiaries to make these guys want to stick around?
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I bought an X2 a few weeks ago because it was available to me for $50 (yeah, I'm. Cheap). I really love it (except for the physical buttons (wtf?)) and I really wanted something larger than my Incredible. However after reading threads for a few weeks it just really seems the development for the X2 is being past over for older equipment (i.e. my Viewsonic G Tab?) & newer phones. Did I pick the wrong phone??
I'm not crazy techie, so I don't know the complexity, but the Droid, the Droid X & the Droid 2 have been cracked. Did Motorola really go to so much trouble making the X2 so different that it is much more difficult to crack or are the efforts to crack this phone being passed over for some reason? Do I just need to avoid Motorola phones in the future?
Like I said I'm not a very technical, but have contributed (donation-wise) to multiple ROMs I used on my Incredible & gTab & I just thought I would see similar flexibility on the X2 by now, so I just want to know if I need move on from the X2 or not?
The 512mb of RAM is what made me leave this phone. It requires too many hacks/scripts to even run properly.
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Yeah, I don't really run that much and I regularly see only about 3-9MB avail. ;(
I'm starting to think this is a middle of the road phone that I should have just past by & it seems the developers think so as well. Guess I should have researched more, not been so cheap & been less impatient.
Well I'm cheap, so I'll need to wait for better pricing on the latest phones, but if Motorola is going to be such a problem, then I guess I need to go with Samsung or HTC.
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The 512mb of RAM is what made me leave this phone. It requires too many hacks/scripts to even run properly.
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Agreed, they do however, run very well on any of the current available roms imo. The devs have done an excellent job of working with what we have.
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The above is true. Nitro is the best thing that happened to this phone. Try eclipse out and see how you like it then.
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If you don't have 4g in your area, x2 is your best bet. Im running eclipse and am more than happy to keep x2 until mid 2013 when 4g arrives in my area. If you have 4g, get something else.
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The only thing that sux about this phone is not having an unlocked bootloader but with the roms we have available it runs super smooth and it's reliable and yes nitro is the best thing to happen to this phone...don't get discouraged paying 50 bucks for this dualcore phone is a steal bro...
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This phone does suck for lack of actual ROMs not based on stock. However, the RAM is not as big an issue compared to other Motorola phones with 1GB (i.e. Atrix, Atrix2, Photon, Bionic, Droid RAZR) because, if I recall, their webtop service digs into that RAM anyway. It is a joke though that some of our RAM is taken up by the Tegra 2.
However, I am impressed with Tegra's hardware acceleration for web and Flash. It does seem to load web pages quickly, but I don't have other dual-core phones to compare to.
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This phone does suck for lack of actual ROMs not based on stock. However, the RAM is not as big an issue compared to other Motorola phones with 1GB (i.e. Atrix, Atrix2, Photon, Bionic, Droid RAZR) because, if I recall, their webtop service digs into that RAM anyway. It is a joke though that some of our RAM is taken up by the Tegra 2.
However, I am impressed with Tegra's hardware acceleration for web and Flash. It does seem to load web pages quickly, but I don't have other dual-core phones to compare to.
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There's no actual roms bcuz of a locked bootloader but every Motorola phone now has a locked bootloader doesn't it? I know the bionic and Razr do...
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You guys don't know what you're talking about. Lol.
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You guys don't know what you're talking about. Lol.
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Bunch of really cool dudes and a lot of sweet bros coming into the X2 forums now. Lucky us.
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You guys don't know what you're talking about. Lol.
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Please enlighten us noobs on this subject professor wolf lol
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There's no actual roms bcuz of a locked bootloader but every Motorola phone now has a locked bootloader doesn't it? I know the bionic and Razr do...
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the lack of non-stock ROMs is partially because of the bootloader. The other reason is because of lack of interest.
Droid X, 2, 2 Global all still have locked bootloaders (I believe), yet a lot of custom ROMs including CyanogenMod and MIUI. Not sure if all the dual-core Motorolas are unlocked, but I know some are.
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There's no actual roms bcuz of a locked bootloader but every Motorola phone now has a locked bootloader doesn't it? I know the bionic and Razr do...
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No actual ROMs huh? So a ROM isn't a ROM because it doesn't have a custom kernel? What do you call Eclipse? What do you call Liberty?
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Bunch of really cool dudes and a lot of sweet bros coming into the X2 forums now. Lucky us.
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You talking about me? Or the newbs?
I was able to trade my dx2 for an incredible 2 and the difference is astounding. The dx2 has good hardware and amazing build quality but a lot of the major selling points of the phone don't mean anything. Qhd is a gimmick, as is dual-core IMO. Nothing is built to take advantage of it, including Android.
The best thing about the dx2 was the build quality and feel which is second to none. Everything about the hardware is more refined than my INC2. Eclipse is a great ROM too and makes this device worthwhile.
All in all, I think this phone has a chance at being everything that the x was but it is going to require more people to stand up.
Bottom line: if you want a phone for a specific ROM/kernel, do your research before you spend your cash. Your response to your device will be based on your expectations.
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The other issue, with the rate the new "bigger badder" phones are popping up, Dev's can't keep up, nor afford to buy every phone on the block. This Android runs 2.2.2, the next runs 2.3.5, the next runs 4.0.1, you get the point. These 1 man teams like Nitro are insane working on 3/4 phones at a time, and building their rom at a pace that keeps up with Android builds and hardware differences. Not to mention the continued support despite the pace of new phones being released. If you want everything under the sun, buy a phone everyone is interested in. Look how ridiculous the Galaxy Nexus forum is already and the phone was just ANNOUNCED weeks ago, not even released yet. We have what we have over here, and complaining about it doesn't help anything. Short of unlocking the BL ourselves and enticing devs by buying them the phone, we probably are not going to get more than the handful of ROMs and support we currently have.
The newly released Eclipse 1.2 and Liberty 3 RC1 are fantastic. This is how the X2 shouldve have been out of the box. Liberty final is coming soon and that'll be it till we get ICS. My phone is now almost as smooth as an iphone.
Also, use the following apps:
Go Launcher
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ES File Explorer
ROM Toolbox
Handcent
I'm installing Eclipse 1.2 now. It looks great.
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I'm installing Eclipse 1.2 now. It looks great.
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That's because it IS great and every update gets even better.
don't forget to customize your phone to make it run how you want. Don't feel limited in what this phone can do/handle.
A custom launcher can make a lot of difference in how you phone feels.
I LOVE go launcher ex. Lots of themes and home screen options. Different screen transition animation(even in app drawer..sphere animation is sick)
Right now im still using the launcher that came wit 1.2eclipse..it works smooth and looks good.
Just throwing in my 2cents but the previously mentions about just buying on cool specs is always going to backfire. And the other point about the devs not being able to keep up with the phones is the second major issue.
I got "upgraded" to the DX2 from my DX by insurance and I have run almost every rom I could. After the time I spent with my DX it was as fast as this phone is and there was way more choice of hacks and roms. I have to give serious props to Nitro, the Liberty crew and Navendrob (hope I spelled the name right) because they have done some great work. But unfortunately by the time all their hard work is finally paying off the majority of us will be on the next phone.
To bad more people can't afford to donate to devs so they can have new toys to hack on....
I consider myself a ROM junkie and am running RazrX 1.1 now. But I don't want to give up my Razr for the Nexus or whatever. I have gotten so bored from waiting around that I resorted to dicking around on my GFs Sensation.
Bootloaders are a *****, aren't they? I hear the Sensation has a pretty good ICS port going.
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Bootloaders are a *****, aren't they? I hear the Sensation has a pretty good ICS port going.
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I love this phone, but it's really testing my patience. And they do, it's pretty awesome. And she doesn't know what I am doing, so I can really get ballsy.
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Can totally relate. As you can tell from my device history, I'm used to flashing something new every other week, or at least milking my device for the best possible performance.
I'm actually more of a fan of custom kernels than ROMs, since there's so much kanging and "speed improvements"/"custom scripts"/buzzword featurelist nonimprovements that a lot of new-to-new-ish ROM chefs will include without necessarily knowing what they actually do, if anything. Kernel developers tend to have a bit more of a handle on what's actually going on at both hardware and software levels by sheer necessity.
No discredit to ROM chefs, have the utmost respect for people putting their hard work out there, it's just personal preference. I can just accomplish most of what I want on rooted, deodexed stock - or CM and MIUI are good options. So yeah, that bootloader bothers me a lot, I'd honestly expected it to be unlocked by now.
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