[Q] Why can't we overclock when the Droid X/2 can? - Motorola Droid X2

Both the Droid X and Droid 2 are locked down, but both can be overclocked, why is that?
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Requires a custom kernel

magneticzero said:
Requires a custom kernel
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which requires an unlocked bootloader

As far as I know, neither the X or D2 have an unlocked bootloader or kernel access...
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mistawolfe said:
As far as I know, neither the X or D2 have an unlocked bootloader or kernel access...
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Exactly, yet both can be overclocked
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KurioHonoo said:
Exactly, yet both can be overclocked
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I love the default answer people give to this question. Both are as locked down as this phone.
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Not sure, has moto released their source code? Without source from moto it is damn near impossible to make a custom kernel (at least the way i understand it). No custom kernel means no overclocking. Also it seems development on this phone has been pretty limited to newcomers. Once we start getting more experience support, things should take off. Nitro just released his first x2 rom and ThatDudeButch is working on his rom...these two guys alone are great resources but also with Butch we also get TeamBamf support and they can really make things happen. Not to mention, we all saw what p3droid was able to do in about a day. So to sum this all up..I guess we just have to be patient and hope more developers jump on board.

The droid 2 and the droid x can be overclocked because they actually made dev versions of those phones that were unlocked, which afforded a developer a peak under the hood so a kernel module could be written. With root that module can be installed on the locked kernel and over clock abilities are accessible. The X2 had no developer version, no way to write the proper module. Soooooo we're screwed until Moto and Big Red decide to give us the keys to our own phones.
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juhde said:
The droid 2 and the droid x can be overclocked because they actually made dev versions of those phones that were unlocked, which afforded a developer a peak under the hood so a kernel module could be written. With root that module can be installed on the locked kernel and over clock abilities are accessible. The X2 had no developer version, no way to write the proper module. Soooooo we're screwed until Moto and Big Red decide to give us the keys to our own phones.
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Disappointing to say the least. I have been happy with my rooted GB X2 so far but I still feel so... limited with it. A change to a different brand is surely resurfacing again in my head. Been drooling over the DINC2 for a while now but have been holding strong for the X2 waiting for some kind of miracle soon.

I'd love to see a 1.4-1.5 ghz OC on this bad boy along with AOSP GB D:.

juhde said:
The droid 2 and the droid x can be overclocked because they actually made dev versions of those phones that were unlocked, which afforded a developer a peak under the hood so a kernel module could be written. With root that module can be installed on the locked kernel and over clock abilities are accessible. The X2 had no developer version, no way to write the proper module. Soooooo we're screwed until Moto and Big Red decide to give us the keys to our own phones.
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This is the kind of answer we needed, although it isn't a happy one.
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juhde said:
The droid 2 and the droid x can be overclocked because they actually made dev versions of those phones that were unlocked, which afforded a developer a peak under the hood so a kernel module could be written. With root that module can be installed on the locked kernel and over clock abilities are accessible. The X2 had no developer version, no way to write the proper module. Soooooo we're screwed until Moto and Big Red decide to give us the keys to our own phones.
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Damn you for making sense and crushing all our dreams, jerk <3
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*pops a vicodin*
Blame motorola for not making a x2 dev phone, but mostly for encrypting the bootloader keys so well. If we could just get Geohot interested he'd probably have the keys faster than a junkie diving into the pool for a crack rock.
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If we could just get Geohot interested
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Make sure he knows its not made by Sony. and no its a rabbit, I think it lives under the doghouse
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Atrix porting to Droid X2

Over the course of Sunday (9/4/2011) I learned that it is possible to almost flawlessly port Atrix 4G ROM's (excluding CM7!) to Droid X2. They are fully functional minus some cosmetic changes that need to be made for CDMA/Verizon. Over the course of the next week I will be porting some ROM's to Droid X2. If you want to learn more about it then join us on IRC irc.freenode.net #droidx2
This is the best news I've ever heard. Yes...
Just sprung a massive geek B
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Like Christmas in September...
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Like Christmas in September...
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This!!!!
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Inb4 I donate.
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Your a busy one, Naven! Your hacks here, plus porting these ROMS over, AND your supporting your EC09 kernel over at the Fascinate?! I thank you for your hard work and contributing efforts.
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Would these roms be based on 2.3.4? If so, would it giver the better support for the dual core processor?
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Xilo Pryce said:
Would these roms be based on 2.3.4? If so, would it giver the better support for the dual core processor?
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This is what I'd like to know and just if anyone can say what good ROM's are out for it?
omg if you can port over the alien rom id be in heaven
Basically, go have a look at the Atrix 4G Development Forum. That will give you some kind of an idea. Anything based on Blur 2.3.3 and up and Nvidia Tegra 2 250 AP20H chips seems to be game. The Atrix works well because it is practically the same phone as the Droid X2.
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Basically, go have a look at the Atrix 4G Development Forum. That will give you some kind of an idea. Anything based on Blur 2.3.3 and up and Nvidia Tegra 2 250 AP20H chips seems to be game. The Atrix works well because it is practically the same phone as the Droid X2.
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Does that mean no custom roms? Also i hate to say/ ask, why no cm7?
Regardless YOUR SIR ARE EPIC, THANKYOU!!!!!!!
Does that Mean the bootloader could also be ported, in its fully unlocked glory?
I'll Be Looking Forward To What You Bring Over. Everyday Things Keep Getting Better For The DX2 Owners. I Still Can't Believe Dev's Were Gonna Just Pass This Phone By. There's WAY To Much Potential And Thanks To You Naven, You're Making It Happen. Great Way To Start The Week. Thanks Alot!
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You speak like an immature child.
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Doesn't anyone have anything better to do than to pick on this guy? Don't spoil this news by hi- jacking this thread for inconsequential posts.
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how would this work? i thought that everything had to be signed for it to run?
Would that mean it's possible to unlock the boot loader too?
Checking out the Atrix threads I came across this...
[MOD] Webtop Via HDMI Without a Dock *NEW* Added support for 4.5.91 (Untested) *NEW*
Would that be possible to bake into an X2 ROM? I'm not quite sure if the webtop function on the atrix is software or hardware based.
You are the man! I can't wait.
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hackthis02 said:
Would that mean it's possible to unlock the boot loader too?
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No. The bootloader is signed. Even the international [Atrix] users couldn't use the ATT/USA bootloader, one had to be made specifically for them.
Mod :delete please
Boner alert!
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Bigdx for dx2??

So when are we going to get showed some love? Bionic development nearly already exceeds DX2 's and in shorter time!!!!! ....can anyone port the BigDX themes to the DX2?
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How many times do I have to say that the bionic launch is 5x bigger than the x2's. The x2's development is at its max and thats all its gunna be. Be thankful we have nitro, dragonz and naven.
TheMuffStuff said:
How many times do I have to say that the bionic launch is 5x bigger than the x2's. The x2's development is at its max and thats all its gunna be. Be thankful we have nitro, dragonz and naven.
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word broseph.
The attention really wasn't there when the x2 came out bc it really wasn't a big hitter, but whatever, we've got some awesome developers working on roms, themes, etc for us so i'm 100% satisfied with what we got now.
+1 thanks to the devs we have and all that you do
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Unless the X2's bootloader gets unlocked, I don't see much more development than what's already been done.
My question still is: Is it just that the bootloader is that big of a pain in the arse, or does 850 dollars really not entice the right people..? lol
Chyrux said:
My question still is: Is it just that the bootloader is that big of a pain in the arse, or does 850 dollars really not entice the right people..? lol
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Bootloader will only be unlocked by Motorola. No other moto phone has been unlocked without a leak from Motorola. I thought everyone new that when they purchased this phone????
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rustymcbain said:
Bootloader will only be unlocked by Motorola. No other moto phone has been unlocked without a leak from Motorola. I thought everyone new that when they purchased this phone????
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Should be common sense by now. I wish somebody new some one on the inside!
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Dumb question. Answer if you want.

Did froyo for the Droid X2 have an unlocked bootloader?
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No
No. Droid X2 did not have an unlocked bootloader at any point.
Still waiting for the bootloader to get unlocked. It's only a matter of time.
Im sure its been answered before...but what is the real advantage to an unlocked bootloader?
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With root we can only do higher level stuff, bootloader access has the arability to change core items within android. For example changing wifi to infrastructure mode instead of ADHOC, changing clock speeds, completely customized roms with kernel access, along with loads of other things.
Dang. I was thinking that if it did, we would have a much easier time just going back to froyo and making awesome ROMs with custom kernals and stuff. I came from the Fascinate, and we had all of that good stuff. I just miss it, that's all. Lol.
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Yeah, but soon, soon we will have a very nice bootstrap utility along with clockworkmod which will hopefully give us a little more developer attention. Until then just enjoy our nice stable android experience we have=).
Very true. We do have some great developers right now even without custom kernels and whatnot. Its all very stable and easy to work with. I may even get into developing soon. It seems pretty... kinda... not really easy. But i would love to learn if nitro or someone wants to give me some pointers.
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Learn java and let me tell you its not easy Haha, i'm currently plugging away at c++ and c# and its not easy
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X2 purchase a mistake?

I bought an X2 a few weeks ago because it was available to me for $50 (yeah, I'm. Cheap). I really love it (except for the physical buttons (wtf?)) and I really wanted something larger than my Incredible. However after reading threads for a few weeks it just really seems the development for the X2 is being past over for older equipment (i.e. my Viewsonic G Tab?) & newer phones. Did I pick the wrong phone??
I'm not crazy techie, so I don't know the complexity, but the Droid, the Droid X & the Droid 2 have been cracked. Did Motorola really go to so much trouble making the X2 so different that it is much more difficult to crack or are the efforts to crack this phone being passed over for some reason? Do I just need to avoid Motorola phones in the future?
Like I said I'm not a very technical, but have contributed (donation-wise) to multiple ROMs I used on my Incredible & gTab & I just thought I would see similar flexibility on the X2 by now, so I just want to know if I need move on from the X2 or not?
The 512mb of RAM is what made me leave this phone. It requires too many hacks/scripts to even run properly.
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Yeah, I don't really run that much and I regularly see only about 3-9MB avail. ;(
I'm starting to think this is a middle of the road phone that I should have just past by & it seems the developers think so as well. Guess I should have researched more, not been so cheap & been less impatient.
Well I'm cheap, so I'll need to wait for better pricing on the latest phones, but if Motorola is going to be such a problem, then I guess I need to go with Samsung or HTC.
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The 512mb of RAM is what made me leave this phone. It requires too many hacks/scripts to even run properly.
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Agreed, they do however, run very well on any of the current available roms imo. The devs have done an excellent job of working with what we have.
Flashaholik
The above is true. Nitro is the best thing that happened to this phone. Try eclipse out and see how you like it then.
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If you don't have 4g in your area, x2 is your best bet. Im running eclipse and am more than happy to keep x2 until mid 2013 when 4g arrives in my area. If you have 4g, get something else.
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The only thing that sux about this phone is not having an unlocked bootloader but with the roms we have available it runs super smooth and it's reliable and yes nitro is the best thing to happen to this phone...don't get discouraged paying 50 bucks for this dualcore phone is a steal bro...
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This phone does suck for lack of actual ROMs not based on stock. However, the RAM is not as big an issue compared to other Motorola phones with 1GB (i.e. Atrix, Atrix2, Photon, Bionic, Droid RAZR) because, if I recall, their webtop service digs into that RAM anyway. It is a joke though that some of our RAM is taken up by the Tegra 2.
However, I am impressed with Tegra's hardware acceleration for web and Flash. It does seem to load web pages quickly, but I don't have other dual-core phones to compare to.
ralphwiggum1 said:
This phone does suck for lack of actual ROMs not based on stock. However, the RAM is not as big an issue compared to other Motorola phones with 1GB (i.e. Atrix, Atrix2, Photon, Bionic, Droid RAZR) because, if I recall, their webtop service digs into that RAM anyway. It is a joke though that some of our RAM is taken up by the Tegra 2.
However, I am impressed with Tegra's hardware acceleration for web and Flash. It does seem to load web pages quickly, but I don't have other dual-core phones to compare to.
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There's no actual roms bcuz of a locked bootloader but every Motorola phone now has a locked bootloader doesn't it? I know the bionic and Razr do...
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You guys don't know what you're talking about. Lol.
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mistawolfe said:
You guys don't know what you're talking about. Lol.
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Bunch of really cool dudes and a lot of sweet bros coming into the X2 forums now. Lucky us.
mistawolfe said:
You guys don't know what you're talking about. Lol.
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Please enlighten us noobs on this subject professor wolf lol
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xaalfx said:
There's no actual roms bcuz of a locked bootloader but every Motorola phone now has a locked bootloader doesn't it? I know the bionic and Razr do...
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the lack of non-stock ROMs is partially because of the bootloader. The other reason is because of lack of interest.
Droid X, 2, 2 Global all still have locked bootloaders (I believe), yet a lot of custom ROMs including CyanogenMod and MIUI. Not sure if all the dual-core Motorolas are unlocked, but I know some are.
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There's no actual roms bcuz of a locked bootloader but every Motorola phone now has a locked bootloader doesn't it? I know the bionic and Razr do...
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No actual ROMs huh? So a ROM isn't a ROM because it doesn't have a custom kernel? What do you call Eclipse? What do you call Liberty?
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L2_n19h7m4r3 said:
Bunch of really cool dudes and a lot of sweet bros coming into the X2 forums now. Lucky us.
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You talking about me? Or the newbs?
I was able to trade my dx2 for an incredible 2 and the difference is astounding. The dx2 has good hardware and amazing build quality but a lot of the major selling points of the phone don't mean anything. Qhd is a gimmick, as is dual-core IMO. Nothing is built to take advantage of it, including Android.
The best thing about the dx2 was the build quality and feel which is second to none. Everything about the hardware is more refined than my INC2. Eclipse is a great ROM too and makes this device worthwhile.
All in all, I think this phone has a chance at being everything that the x was but it is going to require more people to stand up.
Bottom line: if you want a phone for a specific ROM/kernel, do your research before you spend your cash. Your response to your device will be based on your expectations.
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The other issue, with the rate the new "bigger badder" phones are popping up, Dev's can't keep up, nor afford to buy every phone on the block. This Android runs 2.2.2, the next runs 2.3.5, the next runs 4.0.1, you get the point. These 1 man teams like Nitro are insane working on 3/4 phones at a time, and building their rom at a pace that keeps up with Android builds and hardware differences. Not to mention the continued support despite the pace of new phones being released. If you want everything under the sun, buy a phone everyone is interested in. Look how ridiculous the Galaxy Nexus forum is already and the phone was just ANNOUNCED weeks ago, not even released yet. We have what we have over here, and complaining about it doesn't help anything. Short of unlocking the BL ourselves and enticing devs by buying them the phone, we probably are not going to get more than the handful of ROMs and support we currently have.
The newly released Eclipse 1.2 and Liberty 3 RC1 are fantastic. This is how the X2 shouldve have been out of the box. Liberty final is coming soon and that'll be it till we get ICS. My phone is now almost as smooth as an iphone.
Also, use the following apps:
Go Launcher
Opera
Quickpic
ES File Explorer
ROM Toolbox
Handcent
I'm installing Eclipse 1.2 now. It looks great.
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I'm installing Eclipse 1.2 now. It looks great.
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That's because it IS great and every update gets even better.
don't forget to customize your phone to make it run how you want. Don't feel limited in what this phone can do/handle.
A custom launcher can make a lot of difference in how you phone feels.
I LOVE go launcher ex. Lots of themes and home screen options. Different screen transition animation(even in app drawer..sphere animation is sick)
Right now im still using the launcher that came wit 1.2eclipse..it works smooth and looks good.
Just throwing in my 2cents but the previously mentions about just buying on cool specs is always going to backfire. And the other point about the devs not being able to keep up with the phones is the second major issue.
I got "upgraded" to the DX2 from my DX by insurance and I have run almost every rom I could. After the time I spent with my DX it was as fast as this phone is and there was way more choice of hacks and roms. I have to give serious props to Nitro, the Liberty crew and Navendrob (hope I spelled the name right) because they have done some great work. But unfortunately by the time all their hard work is finally paying off the majority of us will be on the next phone.
To bad more people can't afford to donate to devs so they can have new toys to hack on....

Kernel

If Android version goes from 2.3.4 to 4.0 but kernel stays the same is it truly ics
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tshelby73 said:
If Android version goes from 2.3.4 to 4.0 but kernel stays the same is it truly ics
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If it utilizes both cores properly I'm sold.
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Therein lies the potential problem. I believe all the multitasking logic is part of the kernel.
Therefore, until we can replace the kernel (either via an official update from Motorola or an unlocked bootloader), we're stuck with the 2.3.4 kernel, which probably means, no improvement in the multitasking.
What really has be upset now is, Motorola is releasing a new RAZR called the Developer Edition which was the bootloader unlocked.
We didn't want to have to purchase a new frickin' phone! Unlock the bootloaders for the phones we already own, you putzes!
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Therein lies the potential problem. I believe all the multitasking logic is part of the kernel.
Therefore, until we can replace the kernel (either via an official update from Motorola or an unlocked bootloader), we're stuck with the 2.3.4 kernel, which probably means, no improvement in the multitasking.
What really has be upset now is, Motorola is releasing a new RAZR called the Developer Edition which was the bootloader unlocked.
We didn't want to have to purchase a new frickin' phone! Unlock the bootloaders for the phones we already own, you putzes!
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My friend looked like he wanted to cry when I told him about the new Razr. He got the original Razr not too long ago.
F Motorola.
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My friend looked like he wanted to cry when I told him about the new Razr. He got the original Razr not too long ago.
F Motorola.
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This crap that Motorola is pulling has sealed their fate with me: I will no longer get ANY Motorola devices.
I mean, I have to purchase another phone in order to have it unlocked? And then, it HAS to be the RAZR? No removable battery? No way.
I mean, HOW many versions of the RAZR are they going to release? Ridiculous!
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This crap that Motorola is pulling has sealed their fate with me: I will no longer get ANY Motorola devices.
I mean, I have to purchase another phone in order to have it unlocked? And then, it HAS to be the RAZR? No removable battery? No way.
I mean, HOW many versions of the RAZR are they going to release? Ridiculous!
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Yup. If the d4 ships unlocked im in. If not moto can kiss my pasty white ass.
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And verizon too. You KNOW theyre the ones pressuring moto to keep them locked down.
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This whole thread is a reference to the fake, isn't it?
DX2- CM7
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This whole thread is a reference to the fake, isn't it?
DX2- CM7
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Partly, but Dragonzkiller has gotten ICS (CM9) to boot up on the X2, but it's very pre-alpha. Probably FCs a lot. But, he is working on it. Eventually, we should see CM9 for the X2, but it won't be a full-blown ICS. Until the kernel is unlocked (if that ever happens), we won't be able to replace it with the ICS kernel which will better utilize the two-cores for multitasking.
This thread was not started about the fake but to find out exactly what the kernel has to do with ics. I noticed even dk's has the gb kernel. Was just trying to find out if we were really going to get ics cm9 from dk or just gingerbread with ics on top. Either way i still support dk with his efforts just trying to get educated, i will still use cm9 even if it's not entirely pure.
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This thread was not started about the fake but to find out exactly what the kernel has to do with ics. I noticed even dk's has the gb kernel. Was just trying to find out if we were really going to get ics cm9 from dk or just gingerbread with ics on top. Either way i still support dk with his efforts just trying to get educated, i will still use cm9 even if it's not entirely pure.
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It's as pure as he can get it. Until we have a way to replace the kernel, we won't be able to get a completely "pure" ICS unless Motorola releases ICS for X2. In that case, we'll have a pure ICS kernel and then all DK has to do is what he did with CM7 - recompile the rest and get it working for CM9. But, I don't know if we'll ever see ICS for the X2. Motorola hasn't said yes or no, but if we do get it, it probably won't be until late this year. If we don't see it by the end of the year, my guess is, we'll never see it.
Motorola has dropped the X2 like a bad habit, which is a shame. Way to screw your customers Moto. That's why I won't be back.
I'm with you on the motorola bootloader deal. This will probably be my last moto phone. until my plan is up I'm stuck with it.
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The one thing I like about Motorola phones is the ability to SBF if anything goes wrong. Do other manufacturers offer this kind of feature? If not, that would probably be the thing that keeps me with Motorola. But I agree. I hate that they aren't unlocking the bootloader for us.
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The one thing I like about Motorola phones is the ability to SBF if anything goes wrong. Do other manufacturers offer this kind of feature? If not, that would probably be the thing that keeps me with Motorola. But I agree. I hate that they aren't unlocking the bootloader for us.
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You just flash the system partition image and kernel. Which is basically what the sbf does. You still get to keep your recovery too because its in the recovery partition and the system flash doesn't write it.
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tshelby73 said:
If Android version goes from 2.3.4 to 4.0 but kernel stays the same is it truly ics
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Yeah it is truly ics. The kernel has nothing to do with ics. A new kernel would make is run smoother and easier. Think of your kernel as you cars motor. The body a rom. Kernel makes the car move. So in essence it might be a different motor but its still that mustang body
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motcher41 said:
Yeah it is truly ics. The kernel has nothing to do with ics. A new kernel would make is run smoother and easier. Think of your kernel as you cars motor. The body a rom. Kernel makes the car move. So in essence it might be a different motor but its still that mustang body
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Nipples got hard there for a moment. Don't know why. Was it a Mach 1?
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IMO, Until we get an official update from verizon or official support from CM9, we will never have the total ICS goodness, but if it looks like ICS and runs like ICS, who will complain? Not I!
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IMO, Until we get an official update from verizon or official support from CM9, we will never have the total ICS goodness, but if it looks like ICS and runs like ICS, who will complain? Not I!
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Why do u think it wont be total ics
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Nipples got hard there for a moment. Don't know why. Was it a Mach 1?
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Shelby
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motcher41 said:
Why do u think it wont be total ics
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Everything about this phone screams a port of the Atrix. This phone just doesn't feel like the successor of the DX, just the mash-up of the failure on ATT and the shell of the DX.
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