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ok, here i am... in the android world, after many years of winmo - and i must say wow, i was missing a lot! i just bought a thunderbolt as a replacement for my htc touch pro2 (which was running stock, only after i broke my old one and didnt take the time to re do it again)
what i could do on my tp2 was run hotspot app PROVIDED by HTC (not sure why or how that slipped through big red's net) but it was free, no tethering/hotspot fee needed.
i like my TB (but not the bloatware) and am currently refusing all updates till i make my mind up on rooting. right now - kernel 2.6.32.21.gb05544a dated march 1, 2011 and the software number is 1.13.605.7. my guess is that since i bought it from amazonwireless, big red hasnt updated it, and it sat on the shelf at amazon for a bit. either way, the hotspot app still works for free.
my questions:
1. if i continue to refuse, can i assume that one day i will wake up updated or find my phone automatically updating without my permission?
2. if i root (before this big scary update happens) will my phone automatically go back to a stock rom, only with superuser access where i can remove bloatware manually and install a wifi hotspot app, or will i have to flash to a rom?
i am familiar with flashing windows mobile phones, flashed my past 2 devices to the newest software (had my tp2 before 6.5 was released for that phone, so flashed to 6 before big red officially released it). but it didnt need constant 'attention' once it was flashed. i used to fool around with sat boxes that did need constant attention and monitoring and waiting for charlies next emp, then scrambling to reflash. that was a pain.
3. will my rooted TB need constant attention or will i be able to tootle around without a care, only flashing when someone releases a rom that i might want to try out or some big release <gingerbread> is ready for rooted phones?
thanks for your time!
PS: I have read that people cant use netflix app on TB - i downloaded it, and it works fine for me. i am stuck in 3g land until next winter, but i would think that 4g would rock... just FYI in case anyone cares.
good questions. i'd like to see these answered too
fxb141 said:
ok, here i am... in the android world, after many years of winmo - and i must say wow, i was missing a lot! i just bought a thunderbolt as a replacement for my htc touch pro2 (which was running stock, only after i broke my old one and didnt take the time to re do it again)
what i could do on my tp2 was run hotspot app PROVIDED by HTC (not sure why or how that slipped through big red's net) but it was free, no tethering/hotspot fee needed.
i like my TB (but not the bloatware) and am currently refusing all updates till i make my mind up on rooting. right now - kernel 2.6.32.21.gb05544a dated march 1, 2011 and the software number is 1.13.605.7. my guess is that since i bought it from amazonwireless, big red hasnt updated it, and it sat on the shelf at amazon for a bit. either way, the hotspot app still works for free.
my questions:
1. if i continue to refuse, can i assume that one day i will wake up updated or find my phone automatically updating without my permission?
2. if i root (before this big scary update happens) will my phone automatically go back to a stock rom, only with superuser access where i can remove bloatware manually and install a wifi hotspot app, or will i have to flash to a rom?
i am familiar with flashing windows mobile phones, flashed my past 2 devices to the newest software (had my tp2 before 6.5 was released for that phone, so flashed to 6 before big red officially released it). but it didnt need constant 'attention' once it was flashed. i used to fool around with sat boxes that did need constant attention and monitoring and waiting for charlies next emp, then scrambling to reflash. that was a pain.
3. will my rooted TB need constant attention or will i be able to tootle around without a care, only flashing when someone releases a rom that i might want to try out or some big release <gingerbread> is ready for rooted phones?
thanks for your time!
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Welcome to the world of Android! We hope you enjoy your stay ^__^. While I don't have a TBolt myself, I think any user opinion is good. Phone's auto updating is rare, like extremely rare, but I have seen it on some of the lesser model phones. I don't think you need to worry about it though. The free hotspot app however may be noticed and tagged as a tether as big red gets their chubby fingers around the few apps they are missing.
To root or not to root, that is the question.....or is it! The answer is up to you. If your comfortable with it than root it! All rooting will do is give you superuser ability, and the ability to flash custom roms/kernels/mods. If you want to keep the stock rom, than all you need to do is flash and nothing more. Rooting your phone doesn't auto flash some random rom. Roms are typically not built with an auto updater, so you only need to reflash a rom if you want to change roms or update to the newest version. I would say I flash at least an image a day on my Dinc. Once your rooted, regardless of the rom, I would suggest downloading some backup software (Titanium Backup or it's like for TBolt) and of course a tethering app, whether you want wired or wireless is up to you. Once you root, you lose your connection to big red's update servers and so you never have to worry about an update that returns you to stock like you do with i<anything's>.
Happy flashing!
fxb141 said:
ok, here i am... in the android world, after many years of winmo - and i must say wow, i was missing a lot! i just bought a thunderbolt as a replacement for my htc touch pro2 (which was running stock, only after i broke my old one and didnt take the time to re do it again)
what i could do on my tp2 was run hotspot app PROVIDED by HTC (not sure why or how that slipped through big red's net) but it was free, no tethering/hotspot fee needed.
i like my TB (but not the bloatware) and am currently refusing all updates till i make my mind up on rooting. right now - kernel 2.6.32.21.gb05544a dated march 1, 2011 and the software number is 1.13.605.7. my guess is that since i bought it from amazonwireless, big red hasnt updated it, and it sat on the shelf at amazon for a bit. either way, the hotspot app still works for free.
my questions:
1. if i continue to refuse, can i assume that one day i will wake up updated or find my phone automatically updating without my permission?
2. if i root (before this big scary update happens) will my phone automatically go back to a stock rom, only with superuser access where i can remove bloatware manually and install a wifi hotspot app, or will i have to flash to a rom?
i am familiar with flashing windows mobile phones, flashed my past 2 devices to the newest software (had my tp2 before 6.5 was released for that phone, so flashed to 6 before big red officially released it). but it didnt need constant 'attention' once it was flashed. i used to fool around with sat boxes that did need constant attention and monitoring and waiting for charlies next emp, then scrambling to reflash. that was a pain.
3. will my rooted TB need constant attention or will i be able to tootle around without a care, only flashing when someone releases a rom that i might want to try out or some big release <gingerbread> is ready for rooted phones?
thanks for your time!
PS: I have read that people cant use netflix app on TB - i downloaded it, and it works fine for me. i am stuck in 3g land until next winter, but i would think that 4g would rock... just FYI in case anyone cares.
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Tbolt just got netflix last week for stock users.
Even if you are not going to flash a custom ROM right now, I would root.
Reason being that rooting requires you to flash old firmware so your phone gets wiped. Better to do it now, then that way you can use apps like Titanium backup.
fxb141 said:
ok, here i am... in the android world, after many years of winmo - and i must say wow, i was missing a lot! i just bought a thunderbolt as a replacement for my htc touch pro2 (which was running stock, only after i broke my old one and didnt take the time to re do it again)
what i could do on my tp2 was run hotspot app PROVIDED by HTC (not sure why or how that slipped through big red's net) but it was free, no tethering/hotspot fee needed.
i like my TB (but not the bloatware) and am currently refusing all updates till i make my mind up on rooting. right now - kernel 2.6.32.21.gb05544a dated march 1, 2011 and the software number is 1.13.605.7. my guess is that since i bought it from amazonwireless, big red hasnt updated it, and it sat on the shelf at amazon for a bit. either way, the hotspot app still works for free.
my questions:
1. if i continue to refuse, can i assume that one day i will wake up updated or find my phone automatically updating without my permission?
2. if i root (before this big scary update happens) will my phone automatically go back to a stock rom, only with superuser access where i can remove bloatware manually and install a wifi hotspot app, or will i have to flash to a rom?
i am familiar with flashing windows mobile phones, flashed my past 2 devices to the newest software (had my tp2 before 6.5 was released for that phone, so flashed to 6 before big red officially released it). but it didnt need constant 'attention' once it was flashed. i used to fool around with sat boxes that did need constant attention and monitoring and waiting for charlies next emp, then scrambling to reflash. that was a pain.
3. will my rooted TB need constant attention or will i be able to tootle around without a care, only flashing when someone releases a rom that i might want to try out or some big release <gingerbread> is ready for rooted phones?
thanks for your time!
PS: I have read that people cant use netflix app on TB - i downloaded it, and it works fine for me. i am stuck in 3g land until next winter, but i would think that 4g would rock... just FYI in case anyone cares.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but there are OTA's that can't be rooted.
What rooting your phone will do is install a new stock ROM which means it will wipe your whole phone. From there you can flash up to anything you want. Don't do rooting the lazy way. Use the ADB process and do it right. If you have a problem along the way, you'll be very glad you did it that way because you'd end up getting into ADB to fix any problem anyhow. Plus, jcase and other at andirc.net are very helpful.
If you root you will end up with whatever ROM is used during the root process. If you go to the development threads and to the stickied rooting instructions it will show you what RUU is used for the rooting process.
If you havent updated your phone you might even find that the ROM you get after rooting might be a newer version of the one you are using. If you want to stick with that ROM you can and just debloat it yourself or find another debloated ROM out there.
Once rooted you can use it similar to how you used your stock phone with no extra maintenance steps needed. If you start flashing nightlies or alpha/beta ROMs then you will start needing to monitor your phone for behavioral problems more.
There are no OTA's that cant be rooted. When an OTA comes out and you are rooted you should wait on flashing it as you would loose root if you did but in just a few days the dev's will create a rooted version to flash. Those OTA's will then be started to be used as the base for new ROMs.
Root! Root! Root!
As far as requiring tinkering as has been mentioned just rooting alone won't change a whole lot for your regular experience. The fun comes in trying out new ROMs. Some of the ROMs out there are very stable and once installed shouldn't need a whole lot of tinkering either (unless you get the FLASH habit that so many seem to develop and decide to flash a new one every day *wink*).
I rooted and installed Thundersense 1.5 onto mine, it's pretty nice. While I am running into some problems with bluetooth audio, having root capability means I can actually tinker with the phone's settings to try to fix issues instead of waiting forever for Verizon/HTC to push out another update that may or may not resolve whatever issue I have.
Not rooting is like driving around in a sports car with a parachute tied to the back.
Just do it.
When you root following Jcases method in the dev section you end up with a bone stock 1.13.605.7 with root. You might still get prompted for updates if you stay on the stock build but DO NOT ACCEPT if rooted. It will just cause problems and you might lose root or worse. I havent heard of Thunderbolts updating themselves but I have heard of Evos, I belive, that did. (according to users posts) So you never know but I belive something to do with Clockwork Mod Recovery(A custom recovery for android that you install after rooting.) will cause the update to fail anyway. As I understand it right now all OTAs can be rooted BUT the Gingerbread update will apparently close all known exploits to get root when it is released. There will always be rooted versions of the stock OTAs posted in the dev section you can flash if you want the newest updates and to be rooted. Of course there are lots of custom ROMs for the Thunderbolt to try out that are fast and stable. So I say root. It takes some reading and learning if you are new to it but its will worth it.
Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt
rooted and reloaded software
Thanks all for your advice! I successfully rooted my TB and it only took a few minutes to reload my apps and get it into working order. netflix is jumpy now, but could be the connection - going to mess with that some. not a big loss anyway - more of a 'wow, thats cool' than useful.
appbrain and HTC Sync with outlook contacts worked great for quick 'restore'
another question though - i am trying to remove the bloat and things like vcast and vznav will not let me uninstall. what is the best way to do this? i know i am rooted - barnicle works and has superuser access.
also, any good cooked sense roms that someone can recommend? not looking for one that constantly needs attention, just some cool things like cpu under/over clocking ability, and if SOMEONE would get a ford sync app that i could use voice command to text over sync - that would rock too!
Synergy ROM is my ROM of choice. It's based on the newest GB leak for the Tbolt, and has Sense 2.1 with Sense 3.0 features, so I find it less laggy than full on Sense 3.0 ROMs, and Ziggy's kernel (included in the ROM) works great with no SetCPU needed. It's worth a try. You can find a link to the download in my sig.
Happy flashing!
that's awesome. i was think this very thing. I'm sold, I'm rooting.
orkillakilla said:
Synergy ROM is my ROM of choice. It's based on the newest GB leak for the Tbolt, and has Sense 2.1 with Sense 3.0 features, so I find it less laggy than full on Sense 3.0 ROMs, and Ziggy's kernel (included in the ROM) works great with no SetCPU needed. It's worth a try. You can find a link to the download in my sig.
Happy flashing!
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Thanks, I would probably try this ROM - Is there anything i would need to change on my stock everything, no updates, no frills TB - like, will i have to update the radio before flashing?
I must say, i love the synergy rom! it seems fast and really rocks! I did have to update my stock base version radio MR1 to MR2.5 so i had service. flashing went great. many kudos to each and every post i read with regard to rooting, flashing, radios and roms!!! yes, i am a lurker, but thanks all around!
fxb141 said:
I must say, i love the synergy rom! it seems fast and really rocks! I did have to update my stock base version radio MR1 to MR2.5 so i had service. flashing went great. many kudos to each and every post i read with regard to rooting, flashing, radios and roms!!! yes, i am a lurker, but thanks all around!
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Glad everything worked out and that you are enjoying Synergy. Don't be afraid to try other ROMs though. I've flashed almost every rom out there and decided to keep synergy.
Sent from my HTC GingerBolt powered by the lastest Synergy ROM
Too many horror stories for me to root just yet. However I get multiple update demands from verizon every day which is driving me crazy, and today was the first time it actually tried to update itself without permission. I just happened to open my phone at work and saw it trying to download the update on its own. There was no way to cancel it either, I had to reboot the phone immediately to make it stop. It has yet to reappear, but we'll see what happens.
Rooting isn't worth it. Most of the ROM's out now are just plain awful (some people have no taste).
What are these horror stories you speak of?? I haven't heard of one person brick their phone rooting and that's the only horror story I can think of involving rooting. It's actually a pretty easy process if you just read up on what you are doing first.
As for the claim all the ROMs suck...well everyone if entitled to their opinion but there are Froyo sense and de-sensed ROMs, Gingerbread sense and de-sensed ROMs, and AOSP ROMs. You can have sense 2.1, 3.0, or no sense. Lots of themes to choose from if you want them. I don't see how that list is any different from any other HTC phone. That is not even including the fact that a lot of them greatly improve performance and batery life.
Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt
The response on the touch screen for my atrix is all screwed up, I was wondering if anyone else had these issues.
I first got the phone in april and it worked flawlessly, for the last week the touch screen response has been really weird. sometimes it doesn't recognize input at all, other times it thinks i'm touching somewhere else, it often randomly selects a point on the screen completely on its own.
i'm unlocked, have a custom recovery. i started getting the issues on alien3, i flashed a new custom recovery and alien4 and i still have the problems.
i'm worried its hardware at this point, and i don't know what options i have for warranty since i got it on ebay. am i screwed?
First try again flashing everything from the start.
1. Flash the newest recovery: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1204500
2. Flash this radio for GingerBread ROMS: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1163009
3. FULL WIPE - Dalvik, Cache and data. (Also internal&external SD if you want to)
4. Flash any FULL WIPE ROM you want, like Alien #4.
5. If still didn't resolve the problem and you want to try more stuff, try flashing other kernel ?
Like: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1156040
You can try also flashing full SBF, read more about it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1136261
Try Touchscreen Booster from the Market.
Went through the same pain and read everything on XDA until I found a thread about the app.
Was driving me nuts but have had a stable screen for 3 weeks now.
I am using Super Optimized setting.
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If you problem doesn't get solved by clean flashing a new ROM, then it's a hardware issues -> as in "you need to replace digitizer".
Andy_Thatcher said:
Try Touchscreen Booster from the Market.
Went through the same pain and read everything on XDA until I found a thread about the app.
Was driving me nuts but have had a stable screen for 3 weeks now.
I am using Super Optimized setting.
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+1 this works.
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Im having the same issues and went about flashing the whole phone to no avail. I will for sure try touchscreen booster and post my results. If that doesnt help, is it the digitizer that needs replacing or the lcd? Digitizers are a lot cheaper on eBay lol
The only app I found says its for the galaxy. Installed it anyways, selected "super optimized settings" and so far so good. Thanks so much Andy_Thatcher!!
Andy_Thatcher said:
Try Touchscreen Booster from the Market.
Went through the same pain and read everything on XDA until I found a thread about the app.
Was driving me nuts but have had a stable screen for 3 weeks now.
I am using Super Optimized setting.
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this actually seems to be helping a lot. thank you. i will try a new kernel in the future but this is working great right now.
Apologies, did mean the Galaxy app.
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I have these issues to. They appeared randomly and there are random periods where it goes away, then comes back, sometimes worse than others. The SGS Touchscreen Booster app definitely helps, but it doesn't make it go away for me.
The only thing I haven't tried listed in this thread yet is flashing a new Kernel.
I've considered buying a new digitizer and replacing it myself, but the fact that the occurs so randomly and can even sometimes stop after rotating the screen, I'm very hesitant to do so.
i have tried this, but the problem still persist. I tried Optimized & Super Optimized settings, but its still the same
Even though the affects sound the same the cause maybe different. I know that sounds unlikely but I know that the Screen Booster worked for me.
There are a couple of other paths you may want to look at.
I was always convinced that the issue was not hardware based otherwise no matter what I did to the software it wouldn't have changed the fault but software changes did.
In my case before I implemented the app I would get a few hours respite by installing another base.
I have never used AT&T's OTA for Gingerbread so have been able to to SBF to what ever build I liked. For a while going to the initial Froyo build worked but as said only for a day at most. I had reached the point where I didn't care if it was Froyo or Gingerbread I just wanted a working phone.
No doubt I will get some flack for that comment however my phone has never hard bricked and I have been up and down the builds like a man possessed.
This is where I put the statutory do this at your own risk. It worked for me but I do not know the history of your device.
Then I came across this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1131649 thread.
It worked ! Well for a couple of days.
At that point I started get get some respite to SBF'ing to Pudding 2.3.4 Pre-Root.
My trouble with all of this is that I do not understand the issue. I suspect it was a software glitch I created due to messing with builds. Screen Booster worked for me and if I were you I would spend a little more time before going down the other paths.
Again how I got it to work was as follows.
Install.
Set to Super Optimized, initially there was little change in the behaviour of the phone and I thought it was a bust.
Rebooted
Set to Super Optimized again and it started working.
If anyone should know why this screen behaviour happens please let me know. I am close to getting another Atrix so I can take Screen Booster off this one to try and figure it out.
I am done with ROMs. There, I said it. The fact is, that they are usually more buggy than the stock ROM, and they really tend to jack things up when you want to revert.
The last one changed the MainVer and I cannot seem to get the phone back to stock. I followed the instructions for fixing Mainver, doesn't work.
Tried to RUU and also use the PH98IMG.Zip from HBoot, but those don't work because the last ROM changed the Mainver so neither of those methods work any more.
I thought I had it fixed by using Scott's CleanFlash tool to push the stock kernel to the phone and it did work for awhile, but now my phone is stuck in a bootloop and I really need to get this fixed, I need to get it to do a real RUU and completely restore the phone to stock. I can then just root it and debloat it and stop messing with ROMs which frankly are never enough benefit to justify the harm and aggravation they cause.
So can someone please point me in the right direction to find a way to correct Mainver so that I can just restore the phone with the latest OTA version of RUU and then leave my phone alone and stop messing it up? LOL
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I am done with ROMs. There, I said it. The fact is, that they are usually more buggy than the stock ROM, and they really tend to jack things up when you want to revert.
The last one changed the MainVer and I cannot seem to get the phone back to stock. I followed the instructions for fixing Mainver, doesn't work.
Tried to RUU and also use the PH98IMG.Zip from HBoot, but those don't work because the last ROM changed the Mainver so neither of those methods work any more.
I thought I had it fixed by using Scott's CleanFlash tool to push the stock kernel to the phone and it did work for awhile, but now my phone is stuck in a bootloop and I really need to get this fixed, I need to get it to do a real RUU and completely restore the phone to stock. I can then just root it and debloat it and stop messing with ROMs which frankly are never enough benefit to justify the harm and aggravation they cause.
So can someone please point me in the right direction to find a way to correct Mainver so that I can just restore the phone with the latest OTA version of RUU and then leave my phone alone and stop messing it up? LOL
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I think I may have solved it. I think I finally got the Mainver fixed and RUU appears to be working, finally.
But I am still done with ROM's until an ICS OTA is pushed out. LOL
If anyone sees me installing a ROM before then, feel free to kick me in the neck...
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I think I may have solved it. I think I finally got the Mainver fixed and RUU appears to be working, finally.
But I am still done with ROM's until an ICS OTA is pushed out. LOL
If anyone sees me installing a ROM before then, feel free to kick me in the neck...
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It's not all that bad bro.... ROM'ing = patience + experimentation + phone insurance.
That sucks you have been having so much trouble man. The whole change to a device with a only an unlocked bootloader along with the newer android version is really throwing Devs and Users for a loop. There is a lot to learn.
I hope all these events don't make you stray from flashing forever!
Sorry you've had such bad luck. My experience with custom roms has been the opposite. I've taken mediocre phones with buggy/laggy stock roms and turned them into solid, stable devices. Some of the features and extras baked into custom roms are so nice. I'm running Scott's Clean GB 1.6 and it has been 100% stable. I haven't had any fc's or reboots, and everything works. And no bloat!
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I think I may have solved it. I think I finally got the Mainver fixed and RUU appears to be working, finally.
But I am still done with ROM's until an ICS OTA is pushed out. LOL
If anyone sees me installing a ROM before then, feel free to kick me in the neck...
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Glad you got it fixed and working again Squire, what was your hang up by the way with getting the RUU to run ? I know you were having trouble getting it to see your device what ended up being the issue ?
Marcismo55 said:
That sucks you have been having so much trouble man. The whole change to a device with a only an unlocked bootloader along with the newer android version is really throwing Devs and Users for a loop. There is a lot to learn.
I hope all these events don't make you stray from flashing forever!
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Yeah, it really is weird. In a lot of ways, I prefer the DroidX and Motorola experiences I had. They may have an encrypted bootloader, but you could still install ROMs and it sorta helped keep you from messing up the phone, and SDLite always worked for me.
Part of me wonders what the ROM craze is all about. I mean, I fall into it myself, but then I ask myself, why do I do this? I have yet to see a ROM that runs as well as the stock one, once you root and debloat it. Sure, some of them look nice, but when you see what bugs there are, how many things don't work, and then the issues that can come up when you have to revert... I dunno... I start out all jazzed up and then more frustrated than ever when they just never seem to work properly...
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Yeah, it really is weird. In a lot of ways, I prefer the DroidX and Motorola experiences I had. They may have an encrypted bootloader, but you could still install ROMs and it sorta helped keep you from messing up the phone, and SDLite always worked for me.
Part of me wonders what the ROM craze is all about. I mean, I fall into it myself, but then I ask myself, why do I do this? I have yet to see a ROM that runs as well as the stock one, once you root and debloat it. Sure, some of them look nice, but when you see what bugs there are, how many things don't work, and then the issues that can come up when you have to revert... I dunno... I start out all jazzed up and then more frustrated than ever when they just never seem to work properly...
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I think some of the issue seems to be how much you need all the parts to work flawlessly for work. As far as my usage and what apps I use, I really can't complain about any of the builds. I just text, surf, browse the internet and play games and music. I never use exchange, blue tooth and those seem to be the biggest flaws with the leaks. So for me the experience is totally different. I think it really all depends on the users needs obviously. To bad you can't get work to spring for one phone for you and then you can have your personal phone to play with
But even the stock ROMs piss me off. I just did an RUU, unlocked it, rooted it, tested to make sure SU is installed and updated, and neither TI pro or ROM Toolbox can freeze my bloat apps. And Scott's CleanTool was never updated to work with the latest OTA, so I am left wondering how the hell I am supposed to disable all this crap.
There are definitely days when the iPhone and "just working" look very appealing... sigh...
I also think that part of the problem is that a lot of the apps and things are disjointed and don't work properly. There is no real checks and balances in the Androiud world, no review process. Any college kid taking a programming course is a "software engineer" and the results are that half the apps and stuff out there are hit or miss at best. It takes forever to weed through all the crap to find the one or two apps that actually work right...
This inability to debloat is driving me nuts.
This is what I am talking about, the plethora of **** apps out there that just don't work. ROM Toolbox, granted root access, go in and grab an app like Blockbuster and tell it to Freeze it.
says it is doing it.
Still says that 10 minutes later. Have to manually FC the app and then go back in and try another app. TIB does the same thing.
How the hell can you freeze apps or just delete them if neither ROM Toolbox nor TIB can do it?
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This inability to debloat is driving me nuts.
This is what I am talking about, the plethora of **** apps out there that just don't work. ROM Toolbox, granted root access, go in and grab an app like Blockbuster and tell it to Freeze it.
says it is doing it.
Still says that 10 minutes later. Have to manually FC the app and then go back in and try another app. TIB does the same thing.
How the hell can you freeze apps or just delete them if neither ROM Toolbox nor TIB can do it?
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Dude, seriously. You have the worst freaking luck with this phone. At first I was just annoyed with your posts, but now I just feel bad for you lol Like, really...I'm sending you good phone vibes...hopefully your phone troubles go away
EDIT: Also, there are other apps that can freeze other apps, I think. Can't remember the name of them, but I think they're out there.
WasabiWa83 said:
Dude, seriously. You have the worst freaking luck with this phone. At first I was just annoyed with your posts, but now I just feel bad for you lol Like, really...I'm sending you good phone vibes...hopefully your phone troubles go away
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Yeah, well if something can go wrong for me, it will.
I did a straight RUU, fully restored to stock. Unlocked. Rooted. Installed SU and updated it, and I cannot debloat any of the **** apps.
This used to work. It worked on my GF's Rezound last week, same OS, same OTA, same exact process, but when I do it, it just sits there doing nothing.
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Yeah, well if something can go wrong for me, it will.
I did a straight RUU, fully restored to stock. Unlocked. Rooted. Installed SU and updated it, and I cannot debloat any of the **** apps.
This used to work. It worked on my GF's Rezound last week, same OS, same OTA, same exact process, but when I do it, it just sits there doing nothing.
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That sucks. I've had TiBu hang on backups and restores, but never on freezes. That's really strange. I would look for another app. You could try something like this. Just buy it and try for a second and then refund if it doesn't work right away. Just a thought. Hope it gets better for you.
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That sucks. I've had TiBu hang on backups and restores, but never on freezes. That's really strange. I would look for another app. You could try something like this. Just buy it and try for a second and then refund if it doesn't work right away. Just a thought. Hope it gets better for you.
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Tried it, it also hangs on freezes just like all the others.
I am stumped. I am really starting to hate this phucking phone.
SquireSCA said:
Tried it, it also hangs on freezes just like all the others.
I am stumped. I am really starting to hate this phucking phone.
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Just buy rootexplorer and mount to r/o in system and go to app and either rename all the bloatware to .bak or just delete the apk's you don't want like blockbuster etc.. thats what I did and I am not sure why people freeze over renaming or deleting personally.
by renaming to .bak then if you like you can just delete the .bak and viola app is restored !
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Just buy rootexplorer and mount to r/o in system and go to app and either rename all the bloatware to .bak or just delete the apk's you don't want like blockbuster etc.. thats what I did and I am not sure why people freeze over renaming or deleting personally.
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Good idea, though it would be mounted as R/W, would it not?
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Good idea, though it would be mounted as R/W, would it not?
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er yes sorry.. I crossed that up
I was trying to picture the screen and was seeing the r/o at the top.. lol have to press that to change to read/ write to alter the actually files.
Tried that and even after renaming and rebooting, most of the apps are still in the app drawer...
The bottom line is that the last ROM I tried really screwed up my phone. I may have to smash it and get a new one under my insurance plan...
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Tried that and even after renaming and rebooting, most of the apps are still in the app drawer...
The bottom line is that the last ROM I tried really screwed up my phone. I may have to smash it and get a new one under my insurance plan...
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Now, that is wierd did you try deleting them or just moving the apk's onto your SD card from the folder if you wanted to keep them ? There is no reason this shouldn't work that I can think of .
Well, I've had my vibrant and my gs2 for a long time and have always flashed all kinds of roms on both. I'm no pro but I try to learn from the people here. But lately I can't figure out what's wrong with my vibrant. I tried resetting it with odin and flashing different, stable, well known roms on it but it still acts funny. It will work for a bit then start shutting off, not letting me turn it on and just shows the spinning star circle for a little bit. I have to plug it in and mess with it a little to get it to turn on or go in download mode. I've searched a lot, tried to find a solution but nothing so this is my last resort. I'd like to hear form people who had the same problem and what did you do please
I just managed to get it to turn on again but I don't know what to do before it goes off again. It is on ics passion v13.1. It's also unlocked. If this is some stupidly simple problem I'm sorry but I am seriously getting annoyed with the phone. Thanks for any help.
Well Passion is definitely dated, and not in a good way. If ICS is your choice flavor, by all means don't let me talk you out of it.....
However. I personally suggest you Odin back to stock, with repartition checked and flash up to Helly Bean. I haven't used CM10 yet (official build) so I can't comment personally on it, but you could try that. At least they are new and still very much supported.
GPS is broken, and 911 may not work, but those issues aside I've heard nothing but good things about them. I've been on Helly Bean since 8/12 and it's quite smooth.
Your issue might be kernel related. Keep us posted on what route you take, maybe we'll learn more about your problem and discover a solution.
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Well, I've had my vibrant and my gs2 for a long time and have always flashed all kinds of roms on both. I'm no pro but I try to learn from the people here. But lately I can't figure out what's wrong with my vibrant. I tried resetting it with odin and flashing different, stable, well known roms on it but it still acts funny. It will work for a bit then start shutting off, not letting me turn it on and just shows the spinning star circle for a little bit. I have to plug it in and mess with it a little to get it to turn on or go in download mode. I've searched a lot, tried to find a solution but nothing so this is my last resort. I'd like to hear form people who had the same problem and what did you do please
I just managed to get it to turn on again but I don't know what to do before it goes off again. It is on ics passion v13.1. It's also unlocked. If this is some stupidly simple problem I'm sorry but I am seriously getting annoyed with the phone. Thanks for any help.
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Your battery could possibly be going bad. If it still acts funny on stock JFD then its probably your battery. I would flash back to stock 2.1 with Odin and see if the problem goes away, then flash back to ics if that's what you want. You could maybe try calibrating your battery too, not likely to be the problem but worth a shot.
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well I tried just having the phone back to stock with odin and just rooted and unlocked. I also tried other roms that are not ics and things that people suggested. still, the problem is the same. it's so weird. I tried a new battery too. now i have to get a new phone pretty much. it's just a shame since there isn't a scratch on my vibrant.
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well I tried just having the phone back to stock with odin and just rooted and unlocked. I also tried other roms that are not ics and things that people suggested. still, the problem is the same. it's so weird. I tried a new battery too. now i have to get a new phone pretty much. it's just a shame since there isn't a scratch on my vibrant.
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Hm, interesting.
Did you overclock/undervolt a lot with this phone?
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well I tried just having the phone back to stock with odin and just rooted and unlocked. I also tried other roms that are not ics and things that people suggested. still, the problem is the same. it's so weird. I tried a new battery too. now i have to get a new phone pretty much. it's just a shame since there isn't a scratch on my vibrant.
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Im no pro or even a novice at this, but to me it sounds like a pending hardware failure. This sounds alot like what happened to my Toshiba laptop.
Try installing a good kernal, try subzero first.
I think I'll try that before I give up. I'll let you know what happens. Thank you for the suggestions
Nothing was the same after rooting my atrix.
-The HD games started to freeze, and on the worst cases crashing (e.g. GTA VC).
-Background apps (e.g. Gauge Battery Widget) rebooted very often (specially when browsing).
-When surfing multiple heavy pages, the browser tends to crash sometimes. Also when it crashes, it returns me to the start screen and if i have a live wallpaper running it stops and changes to a generic black screen.
-When trying to upload an image file on an image board, the browser refreshes the page.
-Overheats without reason from time to time. Seriously, its like a pocket heater.
-When the screen animations are activated, returning from landscape to vertical orientation turns the notification bar blurry and when i pull down the notifications tray it turns the screen blurry as well. Though it returns to normal when going back to landscape.
This is a major issue for me since if i turn off the screen animations, i can't tell if an app i opened is running (e.g. YouTube). And like i don't use the stock video player and use another player (e.g. MX player), when the animations are activated instantly crashes when opening a video.
Also before rooting, the battery only lasts me 5 hours without running apps and the problem persists ever since.
One thing. The first time i got the phone it came with stock FROYO 2.2.1 and i changed it right away to GINGERBREAD 2.3.6 skipping the 2.3.4, i unlocked the bootloader first and then rooted it.
Is there anything i can do to fix the problems previously mentioned?
I have a feeling you are an international user and did not flash the ramfix, search for it in development section, download to sd and flash.
jorno88 said:
I have a feeling you are an international user and did not flash the ramfix, search for it in development section, download to sd and flash.
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Every tutorial i looked for didn't mentioned that, i'll give it a try.
But if i do that, does it mean i will have to do a hard reset?
It is surely mentioned in subsequent posts in the tutorial thread.
RAM fix has nothing to do with data so factory reset (or hard reset as you call it) is not needed.
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It is surely mentioned in subsequent posts in the tutorial thread.
RAM fix has nothing to do with data so factory reset (or hard reset as you call it) is not needed.
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Not in the tutorials i've followed, they never mentioned it. FYI none of the tuts where from here.
Good to know i won't have to hard reset. So were does the zip go, internal or external?
always follow xda, it's the best
as for the zip, place it wherever you like and flash it with a custom recovery like cwm or twrp
Yeah I could never understand people who follow a tutorial on forum X then ask about it on forum Y... Makes no sense to me. Why are people on forum Y supposed to know anything about forum X or its contents?
Questions about a tutorial on some forum should be asked on that same forum.
And yeah, everything you need is on XDA, no need to go search for random sources.
Just to help the OP:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cu2bd61dh6ytzda/C-z3zfNBcr (just get the RAMfix.zip from this link)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5T9hJ4Yjek
Hope this helps OP. I have a At&t and I don't need to do the RAM fix. U can give this a shot. All the best.
5HoofedStallion said:
Not in the tutorials i've followed, they never mentioned it. FYI none of the tuts where from here.
Good to know i won't have to hard reset. So were does the zip go, internal or external?
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Ramfix may not be mentioned in root tutorials because it's related with unlocking bootloader. Since you first unlocked, then rooted, you'll have to flash it anyway.
GH0ST DR0NE said:
Just to help the OP:
Hope this helps OP. I have a At&t and I don't need to do the RAM fix. U can give this a shot. All the best.
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Off topic, but now that you brought the subject. I have seen this a while ago, and looks tempting but is it convenient for me to use the leaked ICS rom? Is there any bugs in it to be concerned about?
It's a shame that motorola decided to leave the atrix in the shadows with GB, they could at least made ICS the final and definitive update. I mean, the rom looks like it was 99% finished and ready to launch.
saldirai said:
Ramfix may not be mentioned in root tutorials because it's related with unlocking bootloader. Since you first unlocked, then rooted, you'll have to flash it anyway.
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I followed both root and bootloader unlock tutorials and NONE brought that out. Since i'm LATAM, it made sense for me to seek in latin android forums instead here because of the firmwares, and boy they skip a lot of useful info in those forums.
Also, how do i exactly run the ramfix? Im eager to fix the buggy notification tray right away, that and fixing my battery not charging at 100%. I tried pulling the battery while charging and it turned worse, it went from 90% to 70%
I also need to know how to wipe the battery data from the CWM.
5HoofedStallion said:
... is it convenient for me to use the leaked ICS rom? Is there any bugs in it to be concerned about?
It's a shame that motorola decided to leave the atrix in the shadows with GB, they could at least made ICS the final and definitive update. I mean, the rom looks like it was 99% finished and ready to launch.
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If it's running well for you, you should consider yourself very lucky. You should also read some of the threads concerning it and related ROMs (AtrICS etc) - the thing is so buggy very few people even wonder anymore how come it was never released.
Even if it's running so great for you as you say, I still wouldn't keep it if I were you. The ROM is a development build, it was never meant to be used as a daily driver. But that's just me.
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Off topic, but now that you brought the subject. I have seen this a while ago, and looks tempting but is it convenient for me to use the leaked ICS rom? Is there any bugs in it to be concerned about?
It's a shame that motorola decided to leave the atrix in the shadows with GB, they could at least made ICS the final and definitive update. I mean, the rom looks like it was 99% finished and ready to launch.
I followed both root and bootloader unlock tutorials and NONE brought that out. Since i'm LATAM, it made sense for me to seek in latin android forums instead here because of the firmwares, and boy they skip a lot of useful info in those forums.
Also, how do i exactly run the ramfix? Im eager to fix the buggy notification tray right away, that and fixing my battery not charging at 100%. I tried pulling the battery while charging and it turned worse, it went from 90% to 70%
I also need to know how to wipe the battery data from the CWM.
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I agree with u. But Motorola is infamous for such antics. One if the reasons I don't have a RaZr anymore. But it is running good. I will b honest. Its OK. This phone isn't made for anything but GB in mind. I would pick a low end, second hand Windows Phone any day over this.
But this is as far as it goes for Atrix. Jelly Bean...naah.
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How am i supposed to run the ramfix?
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It's a flashable zip so just install it like gapps or a rom. Install from sd card
Which are the commands on the atrix?
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Use a custom recovery... You can manually adjust the cmdline but flashing the zip is much easier
You mean, with the RSD Lite?
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Don't ever touch RSD, RSDLite or any SBF (except pudding) unless you're at gunpoint.
Then how the hell do i run ramfix on clockwork!?!
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Would do you good if you could learn to search and read. It's all explained many times...
Hint: CWM = ClockWorkMod recovery
Another hint: How do you usually use a flashable zip?