So it leaks that the E3D and Sensation would be released locked down harder than Fort Knox and will seemingly be impenatrable, we as a community are understandable enraged at this. In a massive uproar we storm HTC's facebook, twitter, phones and email boxes demanding this be fixed. HTC finally caves after just a few days of this. We celebrate, then with no new news get impatient and return to the battle field to demand a time frame. HTC eventually announces a date in August to September. We again celebrate, but it is short lived.
We grow restless and deduce that HTC's method will require registering and voiding warranties. We again rage and lash out at them. No news to us made for angry users, tempers boil over and the forums are chaos. Then IT happens, Revolutionary is released! We are rooted! We have prevailed! We rub it in HTC's slow moving faces! HTC updates that their unlock will require registering and void warranty, WE LAUGH AT THEM! We have what we want, but where does that leave HTC?
Poor HTC went through all of this to please the dev community, they were dragged through the mud all over the media and in the end, all the people who demanded unlocking wont even use it since Revolutionary was released. I just kinda feel bad for them so I made this post to spread awareness, also the comic to spread laughs
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very sad, whomever made the decision to lock it down must not be happy
You would think ALL of the manufacturers would know better at this point. Every time they try a new security thing, the android community embarrasses them. Every time Google puts out a new version of android, the community once again embarrasses the manufacturers.
I'm honestly surprised at this point HTC just hasn't caved and hired all the devs from here!
Why double post? Or something going on wit tapatalk seen alot post without anything or double post alot in diferent threads I think I ma contact the developer
To the op mm i guess don't really care about them knowing I'm rooted is legal and if sprint want to cancel my contract go right ahead I can get an lte device instead
If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d
I think the decision to lock was idiotic.
I think the decision to revers that was inspiring (for such a large company).
I think the delay until unlock was disingenuous
I think rubbing the communities unlock in their face is tasteless and tactless
I think HTC wanting to know who unlocks is reasonable
I think I won't buy a phone from a company who wants to lock
I think I will buy my next phone from a company that doesn't want to know who I am because I want to unlock.
I will miss HTC, but, there is a gigantic PC market flooded with commodity hardware that is never 'bricked'. HTC doesn't subsidize these phones, Sprint does. HP and Compaq and Acer never asked me to identify myself if I planned on uninstalling DOS or Windows to install OS/2 or Linux or whatver....how is this different?
...sounds like they like their captive market, and who can blame them. Hopefully smartphones become a commodity market as well. Samsung and LG are game from the looks of things... Moto is not from the looks of things and HTC doesn't seem so sure... let's home they make the right move.
I can't blame them for trying to protect their market, but I can blame them for not changing with the times.
daneurysm said:
I think the decision to lock was idiotic.
I think the decision to revers that was inspiring (for such a large company).
I think the delay until unlock was disingenuous
I think rubbing the communities unlock in their face is tasteless and tactless
I think HTC wanting to know who unlocks is reasonable
I think I won't buy a phone from a company who wants to lock
I think I will buy my next phone from a company that doesn't want to know who I am because I want to unlock.
I will miss HTC, but, there is a gigantic PC market flooded with commodity hardware that is never 'bricked'. HTC doesn't subsidize these phones, Sprint does. HP and Compaq and Acer never asked me to identify myself if I planned on uninstalling DOS or Windows to install OS/2 or Linux or whatver....how is this different?
...sounds like they like their captive market, and who can blame them. Hopefully smartphones become a commodity market as well. Samsung and LG are game from the looks of things... Moto is not from the looks of things and HTC doesn't seem so sure... let's home they make the right move.
I can't blame them for trying to protect their market, but I can blame them for not changing with the times.
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No other OEM is developing and providing software for you to unlock your phone. So many things can happen to hurt HTC if they didn't cover their ass on this.
Other companies may have easily unlockable phones but they are still unlocked through an exploit.. So they are protected. HTC has to do this to protect themselves.. It's 100% fair and nobody can come up with one legitimate reason as to why they shouldn't.. Yet, there are numerous reasons as to why they should.
This is a huge step and I applaud HTC. I have nothing to hide... I'll tell them I'm rooted and thank them for providing the means to do so
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No other OEM is developing and providing software for you to unlock your phone. So many things can happen to hurt HTC if they didn't cover their ass on this.
Other companies may have easily unlockable phones but they are still unlocked through an exploit.. So they are protected. HTC has to do this to protect themselves.. It's 100% fair and nobody can come up with one legitimate reason as to why they shouldn't.. Yet, there are numerous reasons as to why they should.
This is a huge step and I applaud HTC. I have nothing to hide... I'll tell them I'm rooted and thank them for providing the means to do so
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Sony has unlocking software available.
One legitimate reason is that I bought my phone and I have a right to do with it what I wish.
I can understand them wanting to protect their intellectual property, look at how other industries and company do it.
For windows for example you need a valid product key. For music and movies there is DRM(evil). For console games there is verification on the disc's.
Now if a Windows PC was so locked down I couldn't install a different os(linux) or purchase a newer os(vista to 7) there would be a uproar, and it would be well justified.
So your willing to void your hardware warranty to install custom software? When your speaker blows out or screen dies, your going to be screwed.
I've seen it happen with car warranties, somebody installs a intake and when their tranny blows at 10k miles they can't get it fied because they installed something that had nothing to with the problem.
I can't think of one good reason why anybody will be stupid enough to run HTC's official s-off unless they want to be told f-off.
jgalan14 said:
Why double post? Or something going on wit tapatalk seen alot post without anything or double post alot in diferent threads I think I ma contact the developer
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The latest tapatalk f's xda in the a. Double, missing and blank posts. Tired of it, I just got the premium xda app.
dmacias said:
The latest tapatalk f's xda in the a. Double, missing and blank posts. Tired of it, I just got the premium xda app.
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That's what I though, I think is weird since the xda app is base on tapatalk lmao
If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d
Lol
Send from My 3V0 on XDA!
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That's what I though, I think is weird since the xda app is base on tapatalk lmao
If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d
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This has been pissing me off lately I.use tapatalk so I don't have to wait for the full site to load up but all I see is blank post most of the time.
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Rippley05 said:
No other OEM is developing and providing software for you to unlock your phone. So many things can happen to hurt HTC if they didn't cover their ass on this.
Other companies may have easily unlockable phones but they are still unlocked through an exploit.. So they are protected. HTC has to do this to protect themselves.. It's 100% fair and nobody can come up with one legitimate reason as to why they shouldn't.. Yet, there are numerous reasons as to why they should.
This is a huge step and I applaud HTC. I have nothing to hide... I'll tell them I'm rooted and thank them for providing the means to do so
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It's none of htc's business what I do with MY phone. I'm sick of the entire big brother/nanny state mentality from all sides.
Big brother can kiss my hairy ass!
Hacking has always voided out your warranty... Even before htc offered the unlock tool. This is common sense. Htc designed a phone to work certain way... If you mess with the software and break it then its completely your fault.
Ps: Htc doesnt do the warranty work anyway, sprint does it... And recently they started covering even rooted phones...
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davec1234 said:
It's none of htc's business what I do with MY phone. I'm sick of the entire big brother/nanny state mentality from all sides.
Big brother can kiss my hairy ass!
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Then It's not HTC's responsibility to replace your phone if you brick it. You don't want them telling you what to do with your phone, but if you do something that causes hardware malfunctions, are you going to man up, bite the bullet and buy a new phone, or are you going to claim its their hardware malfunctioning and demand a replacement?
With Android you have a lot of freedoms, but not the freedom to abuse a company
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Then It's not HTC's responsibility to replace your phone if you brick it. You don't want them telling you what to do with your phone, but if you do something that causes hardware malfunctions, are you going to man up, bite the bullet and buy a new phone, or are you going to claim its their hardware malfunctioning and demand a replacement?
With Android you have a lot of freedoms, but not the freedom to abuse a company
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My decision, my ass. Personal responsibility.
Edit: I do not have insurance.
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Ps: Htc doesnt do the warranty work anyway, sprint does it... And recently they started covering even rooted phones...
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HTC DOES do the warranty work. What you're referring to is the INSURANCE that is handled by Sprint
If you don't have insurance on your phone, and the screen ****s the bed, guess who you call and where you send it to. Assuming that you're still within good standings of your warranty
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My decision, my ass. Personal responsibility.
Edit: I do not have insurance.
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And that's how it should be. But anyone complaining about HTC saying that using their root method may cause parts or all of their warranty to be void, is just absurd. They can't be running around holding everyone that screwed up their phone's hand, taking the financial obligation upon themselves, when it was 100% user error.
Most people on xda won't think twice about using HTC's root method, and most won't screw their phone up. But HTC is releasing this to people that have never heard of xda, and there's a chance that they'll try to flash wrong radios, software from other phones, etc. They're covering their ass for the ignorant, general population that aren't part of the dev community.
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And that's how it should be. But anyone complaining about HTC saying that using their root method may cause parts or all of their warranty to be void, is just absurd. They can't be running around holding everyone that screwed up their phone's hand, taking the financial obligation upon themselves, when it was 100% user error.
Most people on xda won't think twice about using HTC's root method, and most won't screw their phone up. But HTC is releasing this to people that have never heard of xda, and there's a chance that they'll try to flash wrong radios, software from other phones, etc. They're covering their ass for the ignorant, general population that aren't part of the dev community.
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well said
at this point for the sensation and the evo 3d, anyone who knows/cares what a bootloader is already has their unlocked so wont even be using the HTC method.
If I am HTC i would do the same thing and have a disclosure like that for anyone using their method.
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And that's how it should be. But anyone complaining about HTC saying that using their root method may cause parts or all of their warranty to be void, is just absurd. They can't be running around holding everyone that screwed up their phone's hand, taking the financial obligation upon themselves, when it was 100% user error.
Most people on xda won't think twice about using HTC's root method, and most won't screw their phone up. But HTC is releasing this to people that have never heard of xda, and there's a chance that they'll try to flash wrong radios, software from other phones, etc. They're covering their ass for the ignorant, general population that aren't part of the dev community.
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Do you really think a lot of people who have never heard of XDA or another dev site care about unlocking bootloaders or getting S-off, or have even heard of this? The only people knowing/caring about this HTC update are the ones interested in it and they know about XDA or similar sites, I think.
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Do you really think a lot of people who have never heard of XDA or another dev site care about unlocking bootloaders or getting S-off, or have even heard of this? The only people knowing/caring about this HTC update are the ones interested in it and they know about XDA or similar sites, I think.
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Being that not all friends and fans of their fb page are from xda, yes, I can assure you that people, not related to the dev community, will attempt the things we do on a daily basis, unsuccessfully
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Htc has made numerous statements that it will review the bootloader policy but as mentioned in many text we all know that just spin, I say we boycott HTC and dont buy on launch day unless the lock is down
Dear sir, I see this is your first post and I welcome you to the site, but how many of these threads do we really need?
Unfortunately, even if this entire website were to buy a EVO 3D, it would not even make a dent in the amount of profits they will get on launch. Everyone wants a 3D phone, most people don't know about rooting phones.
im not new to the site been around for 6 years under three names i keep forgetting my old passwords and i dont have access to the old email on file but my post is for boycotting upon release date not just making a statement but rather not purchasing until a fix is present
HTC doesn't really give a flying **** about our *****ing. If all of us who were previously considering the Evo 3d don't buy it, HTC wouldn't care. We are the minority, the mainstream people who don't know what root means will continue to buy It regardless.
From my Gingerbread Hero.
Htc better care, who do you think makes all of the apps that are the reason why ios and android are what they are today? If they're not smart enough to care today then they'll start caring a few months from now when all of the 3D apps are designed for the optimus and the E3D is irrelevant.
Theyre already one of the last out the gate with dual cores
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Nsandhu23 said:
HTC doesn't really give a flying **** about our *****ing. If all of us who were previously considering the Evo 3d don't buy it, HTC wouldn't care. We are the minority, the mainstream people who don't know what root means will continue to buy It regardless.
From my Gingerbread Hero.
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That is correct. But who do the majority come to when deciding which phone to buy? The geeks. Imagine if engadget, phonedog, cnet, etc... were to give the EVO 3D bad reviews? Can you imagine what the comments will say in those articles? Even if we can't make a direct impact with our own sales, we influence the minds of many of those people that are not as tech savvy as us. My whole family has HTC phones cause of me. That will soon change. I am sure we can have a very powerful impact.
randy2 said:
im not new to the site been around for 6 years under three names i keep forgetting my old passwords and i dont have access to the old email on file but my post is for boycotting upon release date not just making a statement but rather not purchasing until a fix is present
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Still could have fit in with the other threads. Just saying - not trying to be a jerk or anything.
Honestly it's tough to follow so many threads and the numbers keep growing. Somebody should just merge them lol.
WeatherTech said:
Still could have fit in with the other threads. Just saying - not trying to be a jerk or anything.
Honestly it's tough to follow so many threads and the numbers keep growing. Somebody should just merge them lol.
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This. +1 (10 char)
I for one have a job with PHONE SALES, and i am sure i am not the only one. What we think will influence the customer greatly.
Broded said:
Unfortunately, even if this entire website were to buy a EVO 3D, it would not even make a dent in the amount of profits they will get on launch. Everyone wants a 3D phone, most people don't know about rooting phones.
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Not true. We are the enthusiasts who shape consumer sentiment. This news has made it to all sorts of popular blogs recently. Even a friend of mine who rarely reads tech blogs stumbled across the news. My fiancee won't even think of buying it anymore obviously because I won't -- and I'll recommend other phones to her, my friends, and my family.
That's already ~10 devices for one pointless random person -- me. I know the effect isn't as dramatic for some others, but what we show off, what we brag about, what we get excited for and lust over... is highly contagious. The legendary HD2 didn't merely sell because of its "awesome features." It's still moderately (shockingly) popular today among enthusiasts and is happily sold and traded online -- because of the community.
Even if it's just a placebo effect for the masses (who won't ever know what "flashing" could possibly mean), placebo effect and public sentiment is one of the biggest influences the advertizing world has ever known.
Now the clincher -- many people besides the forum-goers here look to HTC as an alternative to Apple out of principle (or bad experience). They need just ask one enthusiast or read one of the many popular tech sites now posting this news to know that they shouldn't buy the device. How? They'll just read that it's "locked, unopened, encrypted, spurned by uber-geeks" just as the Apple product was.
Don't underestimate our power. Use it. Such social gathering and protest won revolts in random middle eastern countries. It even won a partial concession from Motorola and its formerly horrific bootloader policy. It's powerful, and it works. Vote now (link in sig, takes seconds) and/or contact HTC. Better yet, have your friends do the same. Welcome to Web 2.0 power, people.
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This. +1 (10 char)
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Actually, with the amount of discussion on the bootloader it might even make sense to have another subforum for it! Lots of useful content but it's all split between threads.
we need time to assess
Just tweeted this - not really any different than the others but still
@HTC - Say no to locked bootloaders and say yes to open development. #EVO3D - #Sprint - #youlockwewalk
Let's also get Sprint's attention! I just posted a thread on there. Respond or start your own. The more attention the better. I am sure Sprint is in on this also.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/comm...ew=discussions
I disagree with you completely. The N64 emulator and the 3D capability of the EVO 3d alone would attract so many people, its like a phone and a 3DS. We are a minority, we may be able to convince other people to not buy it, but a 3D phone is attractive to the masses sort of like an iPhone is.
it is still a damn good phone with gingerbread and sense 3.0, people wouldn't give a damn about locked bootloader, ask 10 of my friends and they probably wont know what the hell a locked bootloader is. Even if it is a locked bootloader there is always a way around.
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it is still a damn good phone with gingerbread and sense 3.0, people wouldn't give a damn about locked bootloader, ask 10 of my friends and they probably wont know what the hell a locked bootloader is. Even if it is a locked bootloader there is always a way around.
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wrong, you should really take a proactive approach to this and tell your friends about the locked boot loader. Second, yes there is a way around LOCKED BOOTLOADERS, but not an encrypted hboot, recovery AND kernel. With those being encrypted, we are essentially screwed.
Sent from the last free HTC Smartphone: HTC EVO. CM7. We are legion.
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wrong, you should really take a proactive approach to this and tell your friends about the locked boot loader. Second, yes there is a way around LOCKED BOOTLOADERS, but not an encrypted hboot, recovery AND kernel. With those being encrypted, we are essentially screwed.
Sent from the last free HTC Smartphone: HTC EVO. CM7. We are legion.
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Lol i say on htcs sites and email that i will not be gettin the evo 3d bc of this to try and change there mind . But really who thinks its gonna help ? Sprint and other carriers have a roll in this to they dont want you to be able to get hot spot free anymore,
Im gonna get thr evo 3d for the phone itself
No matter if they change it or not , the evo 3d is the bEst phone coming out soon its htc , htc has the best build quality other then apple and i hate apple
But you people or can say ur gettin samsung or lg can go ahead i will wait 6 months for a full root with a leaked eng bootloader half root wont hurt untill then . What will hurt is u people going to samsung or lg and couple months down the road ur phone falls apart i would rather a great phone then a phone with a unlocked bootloader
We will get full root, some how, some way. If htc does it the way that sony is (they unlock, flag as voided), I'm sure we will find a way to use that and unlock that biotch.
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I dont think this has been posted, But here is the latest on the HTC Bootloader unlock
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/03/htc-explains-official-bootloader-unlock-process-asks-you-to-sig/
Yeah that sucks, but what did you really expect? HTC can't be expected to support unlocked phones bc ppl can really screw up their phones if they don't know what they're doing. HTC is only protecting themselves and this was absolutely expected IMHO. Good news article though regardless.
Sent from my HTC EVO 3D... Get in the third dimension!
Thanks for the info, didn't catch that. Please keep in mind next time that this may be an official development for information on the official bootloader unlock, but that does not make it development, this technically belongs in general.
No your right, it wasnt posted in DEVELOPMENT, it IS however posted in GENERAL (where it belongs!)
Hmmm.... Lets see here.
1. Root Phone w/ out HTC.
2. Do whatever you want.
3. Have hardware error and need warranty repair.
4. Back to stock we go!
5. ????
6. Profit!
Umad HTC?
had a feeling that was going to happen but not to sound hard on you this is the development section this should be placed in general section just a heads up
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No your right, it wasnt posted in DEVELOPMENT, it IS however posted in GENERAL (where it belongs!)
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Wow, it got moved really fast! Lol
So what would that do to Sprint insurance if you root with HTC? Does that mean you might as well cancel it or will Sprint still replace?
Do you think HTC knows we already have these devices unlocked. Lol
Although sucks if this is where Androids future is going.
I'm glad that some companys have listened to the community. We asked for them to give us unlocked bootloaders t and they are ACTUALLY delivering. Of course it voids the warranty I'm not suprised at all. Stops *****ing bout it cuz they could've NOT unlocked them and than everything would be the same. Change is good in my opinion.
TANSTAAFL
Makes good sense to me - Archos says the same (or similar) and it hasn't stopped people.
Maybe it'll clear out the riffraff.
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TANSTAAFL
Makes good sense to me - Archos says the same (or similar) and it hasn't stopped people.
Maybe it'll clear out the riffraff.
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Definitely will. We'll have less people coming over to this forum and whining at us because we won't hold their hand through the entire rooting process (although there has been enough of that already anyways), and more time for expansion ROM cooking.
And +1 to easily being able to fool anyone into thinking our warranty isn't void.
Lets be honest here, anyone on this forum would never use the MFW anyways, we are all here for one reason and one reason only. To get the most out of our phones and exploit their capabilities. You technically void your warranty with any other root anyways, so what's the difference? We are all taking a risk at doing anything with our phones in the first place. I can't say I blame HTC for taking their stand. They will give you the unlock, but you have to be willing to put your feet in the water too.
I just think it's funny. During the flame wars there were multiple people saying "htc would not release something that voids warranty."
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I saw this posted yesterday, but ever since I started rooting phones with my Hero a year and a half ago I always knew it technically voided the warranty. It is easy to switch back to stock and I have never had them even check when I returned a phone in the past.
Glad that they are going to release it. Not suprised that it voids the warranty. No different than putting mods on your car.....
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Lets be honest here, anyone on this forum would never use the MFW anyways, we are all here for one reason and one reason only. To get the most out of our phones and exploit their capabilities. You technically void your warranty with any other root anyways, so what's the difference? We are all taking a risk at doing anything with our phones in the first place. I can't say I blame HTC for taking their stand. They will give you the unlock, but you have to be willing to put your feet in the water too.
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This is exactly why it was in HTCs best interest to release the unlocked bootloader before we got perm-root.
To bad...they fail.
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Isn't that what RUU's are for?! I haven't had any problems at all returning previously rooted phones to Sprint, even after bricking my GF's Optimus S trying to get it back to stock, they took it back and gave us a new one. If you don't know how to revert to stock, you shouldn't be messing with root in the first place.
Just my opinion..
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Well...I think It's cool they are unlocking the bl ..even though at this point It's futile and the people who know what they are doing already have Their phone unlocked..I'm not gonna give them much credit though..they should not have locked it down in the first place..It's like someone punching you in the face and then giving them credit or appreciation when they apologize
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It's like someone punching you in the face and then giving them credit or appreciation when they apologize
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This made me LOL.
+1 to RUU to stock... Funny story, when I traded in my Hero at Best Buy, the guy saw my CM7 Gingerbread ROM and was like, "Sweet, didn't know you could put gingerbread on this thing." He never even batted an eye that it was rooted.
-mb
I'm losing faith in the quality of HTC's dependability. They even drop your warranty if you transfer your evo to another line on your account. That's retarded because you're still the user of the device.
Thought I would create a simple poll. Let the people voice their thoughts!!
The question's simple:"Would you buy another HTC phone if it was impossible to turn S-Off?"
Yes or No.​After voting, please post in the thread explaining your choice.
If I reach 500 votes, I will personally spam every public avenue HTC has with a direct link to this thread so they can see the impact their choice to lock down their most recent devices has made.
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EDIT:: My answer is no. If it was impossible to turn the Security flag OFF then I would never purchase another HTC phone again. I am a firm believer that since it is MY property that I should be able to do with it whatever I want, when I want, how I want.. Without ANYONE telling me that I can't. PERIOD. If HTC want's to play these games and tell me what I can and can't do with my property then I will never purchase another HTC phone again.
Seeing as how my last 8 phones had the HTC brand on them, they will definitely be losing one very loyal customer...
I swore that I would never buy an iPhone because they are so locked down it's disgusting and consistently push out updates to try to stop attempts at jailbreaking the device. With that being said I stuck to my guns. I never bought one. Or any other Apple product for that matter. This is what the Amaze 4G is starting to remind me of.
HTC has officially dropped the ball this time and it's time we, the people, the one's paying idiotic amounts of money for these phones actually tried to do something about it.
I would still buy HTC. I'm sure devs can figure out a way to turn it off eventually, and I like the look of HTC phones (form and screen) the best.
I find it insanely stupid to pay six hundred dollars and not own a device. I love this phone but it will more than likely be my last HTC phone. I won't go Apple but probably back to Samsung, even though I owned the Moment,worse phone ever, or maybe Google will do more with the Moto Mobile and put out a great phone. I just don't see HTC doing what's right and giving us S-off or making it any easier.
No I Will NOT Buy Another HTC...Amaze Is For Sale!
People having "FUN" with their phones...that's precisely what drives new phone sales now. When newcomers pop onto a Great Dev Site, such as XDA, it literally drives/motivates them to run out and buy "the phone everyone's having such a great time playing with"...because...everyone wants to have fun with their phone! HTC & others build great form & functionality into their phones, but that's not to say they know best...we're simply talking about a staff of engineers that are tasked with developing a phone which functions 100% of the time, for 100% of the buying public, which only speaks to whats best for THEM...while very commendable feats of accomplishment indeed, each individual being able to take that same phone & teach it to do "flips & cartwheels", in addition to the "sit-ups & summersaults" the engineers have already presented, is but a further testiment to their great feat of engineering. I would consider this to be very "complimentary"...opposed to the "intrusive" stance they seem to be taking. Think about it & stand in their shoes for a moment. Try to imagine what a proud engineer would say..."gosh, look what great things these people are doing with My Phone". Anyone can build a phone...HTC used to build FUN into their phones...that's why I bought my First HTC...second HTC...third HTC. People must have fun with their phones....I believe HTC is too smart to not allow that any longer. HTC cannot possibly believe the sales of this "locked-up, house-trained Parrot" will ever soar with "Eagles" such as the likes of the HD2, the DHD, the EVO, the Sensation, and many others to this point! How many potential sales of the AMAZE have been negated by people coming to XDA alone? I would very safely say...enough to make a couple of down-ticks on their not-so-Amaze-ing revenues. On a separate up-note...all the Devs here at XDA are very first-rate, thorough & innovative. I have followed practically all of them, used all of their ROMs, tweaks & gadgets to complete satisfaction...I personally Thank All of You Very Much......
...."You All Alllowed Me To Have FUN With My Phone"....
No Way
I totally agree with daswahnsinn. I bought the phone and it should be mine to use however I like.
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I would still buy HTC. I'm sure devs can figure out a way to turn it off eventually, and I like the look of HTC phones (form and screen) the best.
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There in lies the problem. It is not our responsibility to bypass security, create bounties or make pledges just to have full control over something WE own. Imagine purchasing a tv, only to discover certain cable providers are not compatible with it simply because the manufacturer of the tv says so. HTC has no logic reason for enabling this unnecessary security, but it's there nonetheless.
Meanwhile, we're left with a device, that some of use paid full price for, to use how HTC wants us to use it. I've been a fan of HTC since the Dash but this will be the last if they continue with this shady practice.
Still yes but i never buy new release phone wait for couple of months and see if there are any progress on the community for the device if it is rootable or the devs are interested to go on for further development.. there is a positive and negative side for this S-On S-Off thing..
first for the positive side yes it is a expensive device but there are alot of new comers aka (the one who doesn't carefully read and understand.) And if they saw a post like how to turn S-On to S-Off or Root your phone etc.. they just go straight away without reading the thread replies and so on and if that happen that it did brick there phone so to there last resort they will return there phone to htc for replacement or repair.. waste of time or money bad for htc to replace the unit that is defective.. that is why they impliment the locked S-On thing.
Negative is for us who want to fully expand the capabilities of our device yes we bought it in a highed price for this time and as a consumer once we bought it that means that we own it.. we need S-Off to customize and tell our phone what or how we want it to act up.. personal taste and personal preferences and that us consumers makes us happy for what we paid for..
as for the htc i hope that we have option like what you did for your bootloader to unlocked or re-locked the bootloader we hope the same thing on the S-ON thing..
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There in lies the problem. It is not our responsibility to bypass security, create bounties or make pledges just to have full control over something WE own. Imagine purchasing a tv, only to discover certain cable providers are not compatible with it simply because the manufacturer of the tv says so. HTC has no logic reason for enabling this unnecessary security, but it's there nonetheless.
Meanwhile, we're left with a device, that some of use paid full price for, to use how HTC wants us to use it. I've been a fan of HTC since the Dash but this will be the last if they continue with this shady practice.
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isn't the reason htc is doing this is to prevent people from bricking their phones and thus trying to claim a warranty exchange on a "broken" device? and sadly enough i heard of several people doing this back in the mt4g thread
from a business standpoint it makes perfect sense to me... and its funny how everyone is saying htc is preventing them from "fully owning" their phones, just cuz they're not helping us achieve s-off, which for the above reason i understand
and for those complaining that they spent $600+ on the phone and feel even more entitled to be able to do anything they want with it, well sorry you guys didn't have the patience to wait, either for the next time you're due for an upgrade, or for the price to drop...
my reason for choosing htc has/was/will always be cuz i like sense better than touchwiz/blur/aosp, they make great looking devices, and usually have some killer phone specs
besides, there's really not that much we can't do with our phones at this point, except flash radios, kernels already have a work around so really what's the big deal?
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isn't the reason htc is doing this is to prevent people from bricking their phones and thus trying to claim a warranty exchange on a "broken" device? and sadly enough i heard of several people doing this back in the mt4g thread
from a business standpoint it makes perfect sense to me... and its funny how everyone is saying htc is preventing them from "fully owning" their phones, just cuz they're not helping us achieve s-off, which for the above reason i understand
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I think that's the reason they gave us. I think another reason they are doing this is to prevent us from being able to make our phone the same as new phones that come out, so we still buy the new phones that come out.
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ATTN HTC:
IMHO, give the users S-OFF just like you've unlocked the bootloader. Force verified registration and have the users sign an EULA with all the caveats to removing S-ON.
Provide support/warranty for hardware only. Know that when you send your device in for hardware warranty purposes only, that your data will be wiped. Return the device (or a refurbed one) back to the user bone stock. Locked bootloader, S-ON, stock ROM, wiped internal SD, etc etc.
If the problem wasn't HW related and HTC has incurred costs fixing or diagnosing a software bug (ie: stupid luser bricked it because they didn't follow proper flashing instructions, etc) then send them a bill with the phone or send it back via UPS/FedEx COD. You want the phone back? Get your wallet out. You knew you were playing with fire when you registered for S-OFF/Unlocked bootloader.
The goal here is:
1) give the users what they want (S-OFF, Unlocked bootloader, Source, etc)
2) provide support for what should be supported or agreed upon (EULA)
3) hold the users accountable for their own mistakes (COD device returns for non-hw repairs)
4) provide world-class hardware & service and excel in this market via transparency
If I got this kind of service and support from a manufacturer; I'd be loyal to the brand for life.... and that's a lot of devices.
Cheers
(edit) and yes, I own an HTC Amaze 4G. my DD
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isn't the reason htc is doing this is to prevent people from bricking their phones and thus trying to claim a warranty exchange on a "broken" device? and sadly enough i heard of several people doing this back in the mt4g thread
from a business standpoint it makes perfect sense to me... and its funny how everyone is saying htc is preventing them from "fully owning" their phones, just cuz they're not helping us achieve s-off, which for the above reason i understand
and for those complaining that they spent $600+ on the phone and feel even more entitled to be able to do anything they want with it, well sorry you guys didn't have the patience to wait, either for the next time you're due for an upgrade, or for the price to drop...
my reason for choosing htc has/was/will always be cuz i like sense better than touchwiz/blur/aosp, they make great looking devices, and usually have some killer phone specs
besides, there's really not that much we can't do with our phones at this point, except flash radios, kernels already have a work around so really what's the big deal?
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If I have to explain the significance of S-off and the difference between security and prevention, you have no idea of the purpose of this thread, let alone development.....
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and for those complaining that they spent $600+ on the phone and feel even more entitled to be able to do anything they want with it, well sorry you guys didn't have the patience to wait, either for the next time you're due for an upgrade, or for the price to drop...
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on your this point, it's not always that black and white, it's possible that, like me, their everyday phone just happened to break and they don't want to get a new one of their old phone, just to have to upgrade in a few months as they were planning on doing in the first place before their phone broke, as is the case with me... so I figured well I'll pay a little more for a new phone that will still be worth something when it comes time to get the phone I REALLY want...
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I think that's the reason they gave us. I think another reason they are doing this is to prevent us from being able to make our phone the same as new phones that come out, so we still buy the new phones that come out.
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I kind of agree, but samsung sure isn't having any issues selling new phones...
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as for the htc i hope that we have option like what you did for your bootloader to unlocked or re-locked the bootloader we hope the same thing on the S-ON thing..
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I think this would be the best route, that way people who don't care about the warranty and want to be able to do whatever they please with the device they purchased, can do so. And those who care about the warranty, can either wait it out, or choose to take a chance. Choice is the key here... that, to me, would be the easy way to do it that would be beneficial both to the consumer and to the manufacturer and distributors from a support standpoint.
If I wanted a locked phone, I'd have gotten the smugphone. I'm a technician with a bs in computer science. I don't need someone else telling me how use hardware that I paid the not subsidized price.
I don't have any statistics, but I'm willing to bet only a small minority of phone users actually root their phones and do the things we do here on xda. the reasoning that HTC is protecting us from ourselves or even protecting their own interest by not having to replace bricked phones is asinine. Samsung sold 20 million s2's so far and I'm willing to bet not even 10% of those phones have been rooted let alone sent back for root/modified related issues. Regardless, I'm not sure if sending them messages or whatever will help, but I still say go for it. It certainly wont hurt anything
its funny how samsung, sony and other companys are unlocking their bootloaders and stuff and HTC hasnt learned anything by this? xD
Yes, but only because if HTC doesn't get it together with Android I'm honestly debating going to WP7. I love the customization on Android but I don't like Samsung or any other Android phones so far (Maybe the Galaxy Nexus, which isn't on TMo). Maybe this will change, but as of now it's either HTC with Android or WP7.
I know it's taboo to mention WP7, but there are more and more tweaks and hacks coming out and they really are simple, beautiful, easy phones. I don't want to, but I hate the "business model" with Android manufacturers making tons of unfinished phones every year....
If it was truly impossible I would say a defiant NO! I'm really sick of this phone being so locked down I love htc's build quality but I am so tempted just to get a galaxy s 2 and not even waste my next upgrade on an htc phone if they keep this up
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Yes, I would, because I don't always have to root a phone/hack it to death to enjoy it, but that is just me and would be definitely in the shallow end of the pool on this site. I mean, I like to mess with ROM's and what not as much as the next guy, but it isn't a necessitie to me. I honestly still rocking a stock Amaze as it works fine for me. Now my MT4G is rooted and have been through a bunch of ROMS on it.
A lot of it is a time thing for me. Just have other interests taking a bigger role in my life currently. One day I may root this, but it won't ruin the experience for me.
I also don't get how someone posting this on February 24th can be this fabergasted by no S-off as it has been out since what November? The early adapters I can understand their frustration more so, but not someone who just recently got the phone or if they were an early adapter, waiting a few months to post how upset and fed up with HTC they are.
Just my opinion in a sea of many.
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Chance Ill said:
If I have to explain the significance of S-off and the difference between security and prevention, you have no idea of the purpose of this thread, let alone development.....
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ya i guess we can all just cry and complain to htc, and threaten to switch to another manufacturer like you want to do right? get real... lol
you said htc has no logical reason for enabling this unnecessary security, i just gave you a good reason, they gave us unlock to allow us to somewhat modify our phones without the chance of bricking and thus claiming a warranty exchange...
and htc has never helped anyone achieve s-off, it's always been the hard work of some dev/team to make that happen, and that remains true today with our amaze, the problem being we don't have many devs working on getting s-off on our phones...
again just cuz htc isn't helping us achieve s-off, doesn't mean they are stopping us from trying or "keeping us from fully owning our phones"
Yes I would, imo, HTC is the best company out there, I honestly think that HTC devices are the most popular among developers and advanced users, also, you have lots of choices if you root, aosp, sense, or miui
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Flame if you want. When I read today's article on Droid-Life.com I had to unload. I have absolutely no expectation of this update being released anytime soon or, frankly, ever.
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I don't really disagree with your assessment. Over the last year and a half vzw has turned into att lite, and HTC has just screwed its customers every chance it has gotten. It left the EVO view/flyer, jetstream on their current buggy ass builds of hc, they've might as well given up on updating their phones, as they wait so bloody long to do so, then they have bowed to vzws every demand. I will definitely be leaving both Verizon and HTC at the end of the year when the new nexus device hits. (assuming it does hit then) to me it seems like vzw got the iphone and immediately quit worrying about how to bring in new customers and keep their current ones happy. I'm probably going to go to tmo and stick with unlocked unbranded phones.
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Just because you put a custom rom on doesn't me it voided your warranty its a possibility but not a guarantee if you know what your doing. I agree with most your points, but I got the phone for $150 off CL (because he wanted an ics device instead, LOL) so not only did I get a great deal on a mint condition phone because it didn't have ics on it but then I went home and slapped it on myself from xda. So in a way I kinda like that Verizon/Htc hasn't released ics yet. Plus its cool knowing your one of only a few thousand people that have a rezound with ics. I just wished the would give up the source code for the kernel already.
At this point the only way I'm buying another HTC phone is if it is a Nexus device. After coming from the Motorola "OG" Droid, I can't stand the indifference these companies seem to have towards us. If HTC would've been more communicative with us, telling us what is going on instead of giving us some vague release date, I might've given them some credit.
Poop!
I consider that neither immature nor irrational.
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At this point the only way I'm buying another HTC phone is if it is a Nexus device. After coming from the Motorola "OG" Droid, I can't stand the indifference these companies seem to have towards us. If HTC would've been more communicative with us, telling us what is going on instead of giving us some vague release date, I might've given them some credit.
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Yeah that's the boat on in. I love my rezound but... I need a nexus in my life or something.
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It doesn't matter if this was a Samsung, Motorola, or LG, all companys treat their customers this way. Seems to be an industry standard. All big red does is interfere with this further with all the bloat they require. All I'm saying is HTC is not unique in how they handle themselves. I started with a Samsung Omnia (windows based), then got a Fascinate, Charge, and now Rezound. The Rezound is hands down the best phone I've had. Both the Fascinate and Charge suffered radio problems and if you read the Nexus forums they complain about the same thing. This also steered me away from the SGIII. Still a Samsung product.
Just my 2 cents......
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It doesn't matter if this was a Samsung, Motorola, or LG, all companys treat their customers this way. Seems to be an industry standard. All big red does is interfere with this further with all the bloat they require. All I'm saying is HTC is not unique in how they handle themselves. I started with a Samsung Omnia (windows based), then got a Fascinate, Charge, and now Rezound. The Rezound is hands down the best phone I've had. Both the Fascinate and Charge suffered radio problems and if you read the Nexus forums they complain about the same thing. This also steered me away from the SGIII. Still a Samsung product.
Just my 2 cents......
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While I agree that the rezzy is by far the best, I still wish I hadn't further supported HTC due to the way they are handling the tablet issue, and now the updates on the Rezound. And honestly I don't hold my breath for us getting jb. Honestly I think it will be like the tbolt is right now with Ics. Just a functional rom without a cellular modem. Which is sad given how incredibly much I like the phone itself. But the only way to get (insert mobile headset maker here) attention is to stop buying their products they won't support once they leave the shelf. And Verizon lost me when they axed unlimited data grandfathering. But then won't give me a discount for not buying a subsidized device. (ala tmo) so, I just can't continue to support companies that continually screw us the customer over.
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Why do people get so "angry" or "furious" because there's no software update and says the manufacturer is horrible? Last time I checked the rezound cane out of the box with everything working. It's funny how people want everything....patience is key.
The update is a luxury not a necessity. Should I get mad at Microsoft because Windows 8 isn't out officially. The product they already released does everything I need for the time being.
Also, why would you want a company to rush a product? Try rushing your barber to finish your haircut quickly and see what happens. It seems very childish to get mad at a manufacturer for a SIMPLE update that is coming SOON.
The people of today...always wanting everything NOW.
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I think some of it is symptomatic of the market. Handset makers are pushing out new devices every 4 to 6 months, and it stops being cost effective to update them all. Which sucks for us, but it makes good business sense.
If they would only push out source, RIL included, it just wouldn't matter.
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Why do people get so "angry" or "furious" because there's no software update and says the manufacturer is horrible? Last time I checked the rezound cane out of the box with everything working. It's funny how people want everything....patience is key.
The update is a luxury not a necessity. Should I get mad at Microsoft because Windows 8 isn't out officially. The product they already released does everything I need for the time being.
Also, why would you want a company to rush a product? Try rushing your barber to finish your haircut quickly and see what happens. It seems very childish to get mad at a manufacturer for a SIMPLE update that is coming SOON.
The people of today...always wanting everything NOW.
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All that you're saying sounds good and all but that argument is tired. If htc says we're giving ics, we expect it. And with barbers you see progress and know it's happening. You don't see him pausing your haircut after telling you 2pm to go work on someone elses and then coming back to your at damn near 1:58. Or him giving you a fresh haircut then ignoring you after you ask him to touch up your hairline after you paid him.
*kicks soapbox from under feet*
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Flame if you want. When I read today's article on Droid-Life.com I had to unload. I have absolutely no expectation of this update being released anytime soon or, frankly, ever.
Feel free to submit your thoughtful replies. Immature, irrational comments will be ignored.
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I was one of the ones that up-voted it yesterday!
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Why do people get so "angry" or "furious" because there's no software update and says the manufacturer is horrible? ... Should I get mad at Microsoft because Windows 8 isn't out officially.
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It's the whole thing of lying to the consumers that pisses people off, not necessarily the lack of updates IMO. If HTC had never mentioned that we were getting ICS there wouldn't be so much *****ing and moaning because people wouldn't expect it. When I got the Rezound back in November, I was told that it would have it by January. Here we are almost 8 months later with still no update. HTC has had it ready for months but Verizon refuses to push it out until they're ready. It's not the same thing as your Windows 8 analogy because the transition from Windows 7 to Windows 8 is paid for. It'd be more like you buy a computer with Windows 7 and a few months down the road your PC manufacturer says "We're not going to release any new drivers for your hardware, sorry." then MS says "We're not going to release any updates to Windows 7 for you anymore, sorry. Please buy Windows 8 to get the latest bug fixes."
I gotta say HTC and Verizon really ****ed this up. I've had good experiences with HTC before, but they are just so Hit-or-miss that it isnt even funny. Verizon... POS. Come november when my contract is over, I'm going to get whatever is the next nexus device (if its HTC then awesome) on AT&T
I don't really care for the official ICS because I am already enjoying ICS with sense 4 with Newts One XxX. However, it pisses me off to see that the rezound is still without official ICS. I don't think anything can justify this, other than than Verizon trying to promote other phones and not caring about a phone because it was not branded "Droid". The Droid razor already has ICS and I dont see why the Rezound still waiting. And what's more frustrating is the silence of the two companies... They simply don't care about what the customers think...
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I would have to say the rezound has been the worst experience I have ever had with a HTC phone. It seems that since the HTC One series drop nothing else matters to HTC. I hate to say it but this may very well be my last HTC handset. I need a phone that I can compile the source on my own I guess.
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I see a lot of blame on Verizon but I don't believe (and I maybe wrong) any other HTC handsets have ICS either like the EVO3D (were I came from).
Why even push an update now that isn't even an update? It needs to have sense 4, IMO that would make it worth the wait, and get customers more excited and loyal towards HTC products. But nope. Gonna be sense 3.6 lol. Meh w/e they have been shooting themselves in the foot lately. All of them have in a way. Samsung used to be terrible with updates but not so much anymore... Their phones are just iffy, radios and such...
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Revolutions started on twitters, yet we cant for some reason beyond me, get together and mass tweet @htc and @htc usa , come one people instead of having discussions here lets tweet left and right about it.
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Revolutions started on twitters, yet we cant for some reason beyond me, get together and mass tweet @htc and @htc usa , come one people instead of having discussions here lets tweet left and right about it.
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Seriously? Wow...let them keep working on it, I would rather have it bugless. Now I can see why people are strict about not asking for ETAs for their roms.
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Seriously? Wow...let them keep working on it, I would rather have it bugless. Now I can see why people are strict about not asking for ETAs for their roms.
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I don't think they are working on anything. Con247 believes that the last leak was the final version. If he is correct then they (probably Verizon) have been just sitting on it. That to me would be total BS.
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I don't think they are working on anything. Con247 believes that the last leak was the final version. If he is correct then they (probably Verizon) have been just sitting on it. That to me would be total BS.
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Oh I'm almost 100% sure Verizon is the MAIN problem. HTC has probably had it done for quite some time now but I'm sure Verizon keeps rejecting and making them lock stuff down more, while promoting other phones in the meantime. This last leak is almost perfect, and how long have we had it now?
See, this is what I'm talking about here, HTC and their lies and bull****. The EVO LTE is the One X, yet, we have no ****ing 4.0.4 while EVERY OTHER US variant does. Well, that's the last damn straw with me... Proceeding to harass GPL off this bull****.
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It's definitely a bummer.
I'm happy w my EVO LTE. Not happy with HTCs way of handling things as a business. They fail to support their customers lol.
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typhoonikan said:
It's definitely a bummer.
I'm happy w my EVO LTE. Not happy with HTCs way of handling things as a business. They fail to support their customers lol.
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Some guy had the nerve to try and say I'm out of control. HTC is scrambling and losing because of bull**** post purchase service. If htc suddenly said "**** it, w need money so we are providing a universal s-off tool, BUT IT WILL VOID WARRANTY" people would buy the phones so damn fast it'll be like the itc hold up again. Samsung doesn't care about root and thats why they sale. Not to mention bull**** advertising by HTC. Yea, advertise beats audio with a guy running to bull**** music, let's forget slcd2 screen, beast specs & huge screen. Man, ass backwards, I won't be surprised if **** phone 5 doesn't smoke whatever bull crap phone htc is releasing next.
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Welcome back
Looks like I need to create a fake FB to troll HTC harder.
I hate having this techy stuff pop up on my friends feed
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Welcome back
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Dude I'm so pissed with HTC and noobs are defending them like The LTEVO isn't riddled with bugs and the One X wasn't rushed and basically a "test" model.
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Who wants 4.0.4? I am getting ready for my favorite dessert, Jelly Bean.
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You guys get pissed about the dumbest things.... Just because its a higher version, doesn't mean its better. Chill out, sprint has something to do about it as well
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You guys get pissed about the dumbest things.... Just because its a higher version, doesn't mean its better. Chill out, sprint has something to do about it as well
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Dude, don't come in here trying to flame bait up the thread. Your probably non confrontational anyways, that seems to be the norm around here
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Dude, don't come in here trying to flame bait up the thread. Your probably non confrontational anyways, that seems to be the norm around here
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Hey man. Keep fighting the good fight. We are behind you. I have been writing emails and posting on facebook walls. Doing what I can.
Eh, I don't know why you guys expect us to get everything the One X gets. Yes, the two phones are similar, but they have different development paths and different carriers.
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Eh, I don't know why you guys expect us to get everything the One X gets. Yes, the two phones are similar, but they have different development paths and different carriers.
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the one x has been out just a couple of months before
you must be real daft to not expect support for such a new phone
this phone just came out a couple months ago, wouldnt you expect a frikking update just like the one x too?
KaoMinerva said:
Some guy had the nerve to try and say I'm out of control. HTC is scrambling and losing because of bull**** post purchase service. If htc suddenly said "**** it, w need money so we are providing a universal s-off tool, BUT IT WILL VOID WARRANTY" people would buy the phones so damn fast it'll be like the itc hold up again. Samsung doesn't care about root and thats why they sale. Not to mention bull**** advertising by HTC. Yea, advertise beats audio with a guy running to bull**** music, let's forget slcd2 screen, beast specs & huge screen. Man, ass backwards, I won't be surprised if **** phone 5 doesn't smoke whatever bull crap phone htc is releasing next.
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HTC isn't losing much at all from not upgrading their phones. The majority of Android users will not understand or care about version numbers. Android is no longer something for just "nerds" like us. It has the largest market share of any mobile OS. HTC is losing money because they don't have lower end phones, and also because the name isn't as well known as Samsung or Apple in the US.
1) HTC cannot guarantee an update window without being sure of it. With this update being new, they will still have to go through Sprint and all of that before it gets to us. HTC probably has no way of knowing how long it will take, so they aren't giving us any sort of ETA.
2) This phone will obviously receive the update. That shouldn't even be questioned. It is essentially the same phone as the One X, but locked down to a single carrier. This most likely makes us the last priority because we are the smallest group. The One X is available in many more areas than the Evo is. HTC probably wants to get through the biggest group first and then focus on us.
3) You're being unnecessarily angry. The update was just released TODAY, meaning that it probably won't even be on every One X for a few days at least. Just because some HTC drone paid to avoid giving you answers told you on Facebook that they don't have any information to share with you doesn't mean we will be waiting a month for this update to come. Could we have to wait that long? Yes. But there is no proof that we will.
4) The current update we are on with this phone is good. The phone itself works fine. Why do we need this update instantly? Would you prefer HTC rush it out and have to deal with bugs? Why would you want to do that? If it isn't ready for release yet, then you just have to deal with that. Pestering them on Facebook isn't going to get them to go any faster. Spamming them with e-mails probably isn't going to either. There is no legally binding document that says they have to release this update. They will though.
Honestly, it is common sense that we will see this update in the future. When will we see it? We don't know. But to go on an expletive filled tirade just because HTC doesn't have a bone to throw at you on the first day that the update is available on carriers that are much less restrictive than Sprint is just immature and unnecessary.
Newsflash: it's easier to update a phone when you don't have to go through carriers. Also, upgrading phones outside of the US is much easier because a lot of less restrictive carriers. It'll happen, but HTC had to focus on one or the other first, and common sense says we weren't chosen because we're the smaller group.
Exactly..and they have pretty much the same software besides the bloat apps..but believe me they are not very happy either..devs are leaving and the bootloaders are locked up tighter than a nuns ass...I don't understand HTCs intentions but it could all be fixed with one simple upload of source
flex360 said:
the one x has been out just a couple of months before
you must be real daft to not expect support for such a new phone
this phone just came out a couple months ago, wouldnt you expect a frikking update just like the one x too?
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Who said we aren't going to get the update? Oh wait, that's right, nobody did.
flex360 said:
the one x has been out just a couple of months before
you must be real daft to not expect support for such a new phone
this phone just came out a couple months ago, wouldnt you expect a frikking update just like the one x too?
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Think about what I said and your response to it for just a second. Is that second over? Ok, let's try that again.
1) Did I state there is not support or that we will not get support?
If your answer is no, you have survived round one and are allowed to continue!
2) Think about 4.1. What if HTC and/or Sprint thinks 4.0.4 is a waste of time and decides, hey, why don't we just develop 4.1 for the LTEvo instead? I mean, that could be money better spent, right? So, are we with AT&T and have the One X, or are we Sprint and have the LTEvo?
If your answer is Sprint and the LTEvo, you have survived round two and allowed to continue!
3) So where does it state that we will absolutely get everything that the One X gets? Is there anything concrete that links our LTEvo development to the One X?
If your answer is nowhere and nothing, you have won the game!!! WOOOHOOO!!!
neoshi said:
Think about what I said and your response to it for just a second. Is that second over? Ok, let's try that again.
1) Did I state there is not support or that we will not get support?
If your answer is no, you have survived round one and are allowed to continue!
2) Think about 4.1. What if HTC and/or Sprint thinks 4.0.4 is a waste of time and decides, hey, why don't we just develop 4.1 for the LTEvo instead? I mean, that could be money better spent, right? So, are we with AT&T and have the One X, or are we Sprint and have the LTEvo?
If your answer is Sprint and the LTEvo, you have survived round two and allowed to continue!
3) So where does it state that we will absolutely get everything that the One X gets? Is there anything concrete that links our LTEvo development to the One X?
If your answer is nowhere and nothing, you have won the game!!! WOOOHOOO!!!
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I like you.
Pro HTC? Can't you see, post purchase service is **** all across the board. The desire HD excuse is a perfect example. Your idea of carrier lock down is somewhat true BUT can be solved. I don't know why they let carriers muscle them. Apple says **** you, sale our **** or GTFO & they bend. HTC needs to do the same & Sammy does too. These cellular politics piss me off. I wonder what EXCUSE we'll get for not having android 5. I would much rather them come out & say "yo, we not upgrading your old ass phone. Buy a new one or GTFO"
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Nice to see you back man. Generally like your posts and threads.
It does seem like the LTE is getting left out right now but I'm not gonna freak unless a pattern develops
Sent using my LTEVO
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I like you.
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I don't..sarcasm and being a d/ck isn't any better than the ppl u are *****ing about..personally I don't care about 4.04..the source is a whole other ordeal..