I want to buy a new android phone that will run on 4g network as i plan to use the phone for more than 1 year. Also, does the phone have NFC as well?
Thanks,
Barry
lochunwa said:
I want to buy a new android phone that will run on 4g network as i plan to use the phone for more than 1 year. Also, does the phone have NFC as well?
Thanks,
Barry
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http://www.htc.com/us/search?q=&p=4778&t=all
HTC EVO 3D (Rogers)
Voici le nouveau HTC EVOMC 3D.
http://www.htc.com/us/products/evo3d-rogers
It appears HTC used to have the EVO 3D for rogers listed separately but the links in HTC's own search results don't work! Not sure why the pulled/moved their EVO 3D rogers page.
I'm not sure about the 4G as I can't seem to find HTC's official specs, but I'm pretty sure the phone won't have NFC. On the android blog sites I glanced through, didn't see any mention of NFC for the EVO 3D.
Although, I have read there will be some aftermarket companies providing NFC support as an add-on. NFC is a really thin piece of technology that can fit under the back battery cover, which is also how it is implemented on my NS4G. Although I haven't ever really used it yet and I'm in NYC, supposedly support will be coming soon from retailers, etc.
Yeah, they also seem to have taken down (or never put up) the Rogers EVO 3D discussion forum either.
The Rogers EVO 3D is not an LTE phone, according to the Rogers rep at the sore where I bought mine. Which is somewhat disappointing as I live in Ottawa where LTE is being tested. He stated that Rogers doesn't actually have any LTE phones available currently, and the first should show up in September.
As such, the EVO 3D is not a 4G phone on Rogers.
Despite that, when connected to the Rogers HSDPA+ network, the phone will show "4G" on the statusbar, confusing things.
Need to go to the Canada site to get the Rogers phone
http://www.htc.com/ca/products/evo3d-rogers
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They recently said that if other networks call HSDPA+ a 4G network, they will as well...
saltorio said:
Yeah, they also seem to have taken down (or never put up) the Rogers EVO 3D discussion forum either.
The Rogers EVO 3D is not an LTE phone, according to the Rogers rep at the sore where I bought mine. Which is somewhat disappointing as I live in Ottawa where LTE is being tested. He stated that Rogers doesn't actually have any LTE phones available currently, and the first should show up in September.
As such, the EVO 3D is not a 4G phone on Rogers.
Despite that, when connected to the Rogers HSDPA+ network, the phone will show "4G" on the statusbar, confusing things.
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They recently said that if other networks call HSDPA+ a 4G network, they will as well...
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Yet another reason the CRTC needs to kick the collective asses of our telecom oligopoly. HSDPA+ and 4G are two very different things, and calling one the other just confuses things, especially when people read/hear about 4G in other countries (where they actually mean WiMax or LTE).
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I'm sold on the Evo 3D but I don't know whether to move over from T-Mobile and go with it now (freedom from contracts), or to wait for the GSM version whenever it comes out?
Pricing aside (I know there are porting credits for new customers and other subsidies) I'd like to get some thoughts from people who use Sprint service with the device.
I'm not looking to start a flame war or anything, I just want to know what made you decide to go for it and whether a GSM version would have been more convincing?
If price has anything to do with you decision,I think Sprint is cheaper.
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I would go with sprint! they have great customer service, unlimited data, pretty good coverage, and you dont know when the evo 3d will work on t-mobile either. i would say sprint would be a good choice!
its really all relative to where you need it to work at. If your in a good tmobile area its great. hspa+ is crazy fast.
I just switched back to sprint (3 days ago) because of cost and too many dead zones with tmobile. I work at Chase so we get a hefty discount. But tmobile worked ok for me as long as I was in the inner city.
Now, I WILL say this. GSM hs(d)pa throughput hammers sprints 3G. Its always on, data speeds are crazy fast. The phone handles any network changes on the fly. Sprints 3G has been pretty bad lately. I averaged with poor service on tmobile (keep in mind I am in a hs(d)pa market), at least 2 megs down and with good service upwards of 7-8mbps. With sprint 3G im lucky if i get 500kbps.
Now to match apples with apples, Sprints 4G can be fast as hell too. with a good signal, i can get 8-11mbps. The problem is the building penetration of it due to the high frequency of wimax SUCKS. The other inherent problem is battery drain. Having the wimax radio on murders the battery. Where as tmobile phones the "4G" radios do comsume more power, but not to the effect of wimax handsets. A plus side to sprint is the data transfer isnt throttled when you hit 2gigs. You get full speed data no matter how much data you have used. (in most cases)
The other thing I dislike is if my phone loses the 4G signal, the wimax radio goes into a "sleep" state after so long, and you have to manually pull down the notification shade to tell it to scan for 4G networks again. Happens on all of the HTC Sprint 4G devices. I had the epic before (samsung) and 4G switching happened on the fly, sort of like tmobiles phones do.
I would go for it tho, if Sprint works in your area then to hell with it why wait?
Just be aware that Sprint is getting the Galaxy s2 within the next month or two...so Id defintely say wait a little bit to see both and see which one you like more.
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In my test with tmobile they got better 3g whenit works I do have more drop calls in tmobile and almost none on sprint, but if I would have to get tmobile I would definitely go with the sensation really nice phone evo 3d brother and the. Only thing is the it has less ram and no 3d which I could live with
If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d
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In my test with tmobile they got better 3g whenit works I do have more drop calls in tmobile and almost none on sprint, but if I would have to get tmobile I would definitely go with the sensation really nice phone evo 3d brother and the. Only thing is the it has less ram and no 3d which I could live with
If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d
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i agree, I would prefer the sensation over the 3d because its slimmer and doesnt have the extra screen layer, so it looks like the images jump right off the screen. not downing the the 3D at all, but i would have preferred the sensation. Im never going to use the 3D stuff
Has T-Mobile announced they're getting the 3D?
I assumed the Sensation was to be their version of it.
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Has T-Mobile announced they're getting the 3D?
I assumed the Sensation was to be their version of it.
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Official no
If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d
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Has T-Mobile announced they're getting the 3D?
I assumed the Sensation was to be their version of it.
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Ah, I meant T-Mobile USA. There is a European GSM EVO 3D model coming possibly in September or soon after. Part of the reason I am interested in waiting is that I do enjoy my current T-Mobile USA plan--no contract. I switch phones every few months and it's been a really long while since there's been a phone that's kept me interested long enough to want to sign a contract.
Here's a link to the Rogers version of the GSM model (850/1900/2100 3G bands) and the UK Amazon version of the GSM model (900/AWS 1700/2100 UMTS bands; Sept 12 due date).
I really appreciate all of the thoughts you guys (and gals?).
Clearwire says that, while they aren't abandoning wimax, they plan to add LTE Advanced technologies to their existing infrastructure. LTE Advanced, or "true" 4G according to the original 4G designation, allows for download speeds of over 100Mbps.
Not sure how they plan on affording it, but more power to them. I'd love to have a phone, and 4G network, that would download at speeds that high
http://www.androidcentral.com/clearwire-announces-plans-lte-advanced-network-still-committed-wimax
beat yea by 1 min
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1201167
CheesyNutz said:
beat yea by 1 min
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1201167
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Hahahaha, that's what I get for thinking about what I wanted to write...
would the evo 3d pick up LTE or is it wimax only?
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would the evo 3d pick up LTE or is it wimax only?
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Wimax only, I'm pretty sure.
I hope they still plan on upgrading to WiMAX 2, that we will actually be able to take advantage of. If they do that and widen the channels like they were talking about we could get speeds that are close to those of LTE Advanced.
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I hope they still plan on upgrading to WiMAX 2, that we will actually be able to take advantage of. If they do that and widen the channels like they were talking about we could get speeds that are close to those of LTE Advanced.
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I hope so too. Just wondering where Clearwire is getting the money to do all this. I could have sworn that they were broke.
Clearwire is heading towards TD-LTE, later upgrading to LTE-Advanced. They are not immediately going towards the latter. Clearwire also didn't chose to use Sprint's Network Vision, short reason being negotiations tactic. Smart move though without Sprint's funding, they are not deploying this network. That subliminal jab at LS shows that they are tight about that move, so the saga continues.......
On the 2.5 frequency...smh what a waste.
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On the 2.5 frequency...smh what a waste.
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Yeah, it makes me think that the desire for "LTE" is for nothing more than marketing...cuz WiMAX and LTE on the same frequencies will yield nearly identical results in practical application. I'm a bigger fan of the WiMAX protocol since it's essentially a burly version of WiFi which itself is a very mature protocol...though in everyday use (on the same frequencies, mind you) they have essentially the same results....I'm sure high-up tech guys at Clearwire (and Sprint for that matter) know all about this...and I'd hate to think that management-bloat is so pervasive at such large companies that technical merit would lose out versus some marketoid who thinks that LTE (regardless of implementation) is obvious the thing we need--even if for nothing more than the ability to say the letters L, T and E in advertising.....but perhaps I'm being idealistic.
...but it sure seems like that. WiMAX on Verizons spectrum would spank the **** out of LTE on Sprint/Clearwire's spectrum....the protocol is nearly a moot point...but that really seems lost on these people. I mean, even as a stop-gap measure this seems utterly pointless except for marketing...
This is bullsh** for me. I just bought 3vo and its wimax and I have 4g no where near me! doubt ill ever see the good 4g life. And I live in metro detroit! Verizon has 4g everywhere!
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This is bullsh** for me. I just bought 3vo and its wimax and I have 4g no where near me! doubt ill ever see the good 4g life. And I live in metro detroit! Verizon has 4g everywhere!
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There is no "good 4g life".... Sprint has 4G everywhere but it can barely make it across the street...
4g is basically useless around Detroit.
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There is no "good 4g life".... Sprint has 4G everywhere but it can barely make it across the street...
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I have had the epic since it came out, bought this retail. And still no 4G around me at all! No where near me! Its all the way up in Grand Rapids! There is absolutely no 4G in michigan! I doubt they will have 4G where I live by end of year. And where I live everyone has sprint or verizon! A lot of sprint users! And verizon has 4g lte everywhere around me! they have it everywhere in michigan too! I read sprint has like 68 wimax markets in usa, vzw has more just in MI. SMH sprint, smh!
If people can't tell the difference between WiMax limit of 5MHz, to Clear using 20MHz towards their LTE, then this conversation is dead in the water. It's no comparison when it comes to speeds, and I was already a witness to their real life speeds. Indoor signal should be a little bit better, but 2.5MHz is 2.5MHz. As of right now, Sprint and Clearwire only have a deal on the table for WiMax, which isn't moving. They are not a part of Sprint's Network Vision, so this news doesn't have nothing to do with Sprint and it's subscribers. Sprint is still the only one who didn't officially announce the switch to LTE, and they are dealing with a broke company who can't fend for themselves. They need to completely buy Clearwire before it's too late.
I just got mine today and so far im very happy. The pentile display isn't at all noticeable (and im pretty nit picky). The rep did say that it appears that they've improved the screen on newer stock. I timed my purchase so that if the epic 4g touch (galaxy s 2) comes out next month as is expected then i should still be in the 30 day return policy.
On another note, i found out today that apparently sprint is switching to or adding a 4g LTE network. Not sure if this will replace wimax or supplement it. So far I've heard this from three different sprint employees who i know and trust.
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On another note, i found out today that apparently sprint is switching to or adding a 4g LTE network. Not sure if this will replace wimax or supplement it. So far I've heard this from three different sprint employees who i know and trust.
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Sorry not trying to be mean or anything but that's not news. It's been reported for a while now.
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Sorry not trying to be mean or anything but that's not news. It's been reported for a while now.
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Yeah Sprint signed a deal to install LTE, and since Sprint has stopped with their Wimax installs I would say that they are switching gears and going to LTE instead of Wimax. From what the network engineers have told me, its a simple software upgrade so I'm hoping my new Photon will not be obsolete.
I'm not 100% on a simple software upgrade but after LTE is put up wimax will still be around for a year or 2 after the fact so we won't be obsolete for that time frame...
If you are close to upgrading now, you shouldn't wait it will be awhile before they start releasing phones for LTE,
I work for sprint and we have got newsletters that Dan Hesse will announce our 4g lte plans in october.
Lightsquare is the company sprint signed the deal with
And more than that it will be a while before there is a wide LTE deployment anywhere but a major city. LTE isn't going to be a serious factor for most sprint customers for two years at least.
(I live in a city with one million people in the metro area and we still don't have WiMAX... I'm not holding my breath for 4g service anytime soon.)
One thing to keep in mind, is that Sprint could very well continue to make use of WiMAX alongside of LTE technology. WiMAX is PURELY for data, whereas LTE is used for both. There is no reason why LTE has to necessarily replace WiMAX.
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Yeah Sprint signed a deal to install LTE, and since Sprint has stopped with their Wimax installs I would say that they are switching gears and going to LTE instead of Wimax. From what the network engineers have told me, its a simple software upgrade so I'm hoping my new Photon will not be obsolete.
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From my understanding it's not just a simple sofware upgrade for phones. The Photon doesn't have the LTE radios installed to receive the signal.
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From my understanding it's not just a simple sofware upgrade for phones. The Photon doesn't have the LTE radios installed to receive the signal.
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But from what I have read and have been corrected in another thread the LTE will be on 3 different spectrum's not just one like Verizon. There is some website that shows the hardware differences and stuff and in there is info on how they will implement LTE.
Snippet from http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=219837
Currently, Sprint/Nextel/Clear has three different protocols on three different spectrum bands distibuted on 82,000 towers. By comparison, Verizon and AT&T have about 40,000 towers each. Network Vision will reduce the number of towers to around 45,000 to 50,000 towers, while setting up the remaining towers to handle all three spectrum bands (800 MHz, 1.9 GHz, and 2.5 GHz) and any protocol (CDMA, Wimax, LTE, etc). This will provide Sprint with substantial savings in maintenance costs.
No WiMax yet
In Omaha we don't even have WiMax yet, does this mean we never will and the Photon will never be more than a 3G phone?
I'm a.happy e3d owner but knowing that the photon is a world phone with gsm radios on top of cdma I have a question..now that you guys have an unlocked bootloader (congratulations) do you think its possible that the photon will be able to run on t mobile or at&t LTE bands or at least hspa+ That would be pretty sick knowing that Wimax on sprint is.pretty useless at least for me...
I'm a Sprint Product Launch Ambassador for the Photon 4G and a corporate Sprint Technician.
The Network is upgradable, but the phones are not. Choose to upgrade today and I'll bet you a fiver you'll be up for upgrade again by the time LTE is actually flipped on.
The Network Vision equipment is so modular, that multiple technologies can be run in one single Base Station. Easy to upgrade, switch out, and plenty of slots to run LTE + Wimax concurrently.
I highly doubt our network engineers are going to get a mandate that states shut down Wimax on X day, and leave all users out in the cold with those devices. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It will be just like the current migration of Iden, those who choose to move over to CDMA on their next upgrade can do so, those who choose not to (that NEED PTT as a requirement) will have the option to use the new Direct Connect Network when they are ready to upgrade phones later...as it's easier to just drop the Iden line of Phones and carry the next gen CDMA Nextel line in it's place for upgraders to choose from. Something that will give us a 2 year buffer for those clinging to the PTT service as a must before it's shut down completely...but by then, no one will have not had the opportunity during an upgrade to choose CDMA totally or the new CDMA PTT services.
So, that means those cities that don't already have WiMax will still get it on schedule in spite of the move to LTE?
Theoretically isn't going to work, I don't want to be stuck with a 3G phone for two years. I REALLY like this phone, but I am seriously considering taking it back and switching to Verizon for the similar Bionic. I don't want a monster phone crippled by 3G slowness.......
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Theoretically isn't going to work, I don't want to be stuck with a 3G phone for two years. I REALLY like this phone, but I am seriously considering taking it back and switching to Verizon for the similar Bionic. I don't want a monster phone crippled by 3G slowness.......
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You really shouldn't let 4g be the deciding factor. I have 4g where I live and I don't even use it once a month. 4g is a battery hog. Besides even if it wasn't and you were putting 4g to good use on Verizon your bill would be through the roof.
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Theoretically isn't going to work, I don't want to be stuck with a 3G phone for two years. I REALLY like this phone, but I am seriously considering taking it back and switching to Verizon for the similar Bionic. I don't want a monster phone crippled by 3G slowness.......
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Theoretically isn't going to work, I don't want to be stuck with a 3G phone for two years. I REALLY like this phone, but I am seriously considering taking it back and switching to Verizon for the similar Bionic. I don't want a monster phone crippled by 3G slowness.......
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I can count on my thumb how many times I have switched on 4G on my Photon the last two weeks.
Does anyone know how to flash a Htc evo 4g lte to Ting?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2060085
I saw the above post and hopefully it can be applied. Can anyone offer me some help? I am making the jump to ting, but I really don't want to have to purchase new phones when I have 2 perfectly good Evo 4g LTEs already.
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From my Evo LTE, yup.
I've been with ting since the beginning. Sprint will not yet allow them to BYOD an LTE device. As far as I know you can't flash lte devices either. Drove me mad trying to do it. No ting user has flashed an evo lte and I'm fairly active on the forum.
I know where your coming from. Ting is awesome and will be more so once they can BYOD lte phones.
I'm on a white ting evo lte now. You can buy mine if you want and I'll go back to my beloved s2.
I bought an Evo 4g lte converted to work on page plus with full 3g capability. The phone works fine as is, but I've noticed a large difference in the reception numbers between the two. Right now I have my old Droid X sitting next to my Evo, and the Evo has -97dBm, but the Droid X is getting -87dBm. This makes me wonder if sprint phones can't take advantage of the 850mhz signal from Page Plus (essentialy Verizon prepaid) once flashed over. Another possibility is that Evo phones just have worse reception than Motorola (which has been in the antenna game much longer). It might also be appropriate to ask if others have noticed a difference between HTC and Motorola phones reception on the same network. If the phone isn't taking advantage of 850mhz, maybe there is a way to help it "discover" this reception through clever programming tricks?
Thats not a very fair comparison. Your comparing different manufacturer devices that are flashed on networks they werent intended for.
Heck even just comparing a Motorola to an HTC device isnt a fair comparison.
To make it fair you need to compare like models from the same manufacturer. So 2 EVO LTE side by side..
The variables between the two are many when it comes to design, antennas, antenna location on device, modems and radios..
Many people have mentioned that motorola does seem to have better receivers i them..
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Thats not a very fair comparison. Your comparing different manufacturer devices that are flashed on networks they werent intended for.
Heck even just comparing a Motorola to an HTC device isnt a fair comparison.
To make it fair you need to compare like models from the same manufacturer. So 2 EVO LTE side by side..
The variables between the two are many when it comes to design, antennas, antenna location on device, modems and radios..
Many people have mentioned that motorola does seem to have better receivers i them..
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Thanks for your reply, your points are valid, but don't help answer the mystery.
Another question worth asking (preferably from personal experience) would be...
Has anyone noticed issues with poor reception on Sprint phones flashed to Verizon vs native Verizon phones?
Another piece of info.
many original EVO 4G users complained after they upgraded to an EVO LTE that reception was not as good with the EVO LTE as it was on thier EVO 4G..
and i think i read somewhere that the EVO LTE did poorer in FCC testing then other handsets.. so your on the right track when it comes to the EVO LTE not having as good antenna or radios or what ever combination might be for a handset..
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Another piece of info.
many original EVO 4G users complained after they upgraded to an EVO LTE that reception was not as good with the EVO LTE as it was on thier EVO 4G..
and i think i read somewhere that the EVO LTE did poorer in FCC testing then other handsets.. so your on the right track when it comes to the EVO LTE not having as good antenna or radios or what ever combination might be for a handset..
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I remember reading this as well, but it seemed to me that they were talking about 4G reception, which is irrelevant in my case. This is the best phone I've used to date besides reception. It's actually the first phone (droid eris -> droid x -> droid x2 -> EVO 4g LTE) that I've used that doesn't require constant reboots to fix problems. One of the points to this thread is to discover whether it's worth dropping cash on a ported phone. If reception suffers in general, I wouldn't recommend doing it again if reception is top priority.
Sprint is now running 800 and 1900mhz, Verizon runs on 850 and 1900mhz frequencies per wiki. This leads me to believe that Sprint ported phones will generally only take advantage of the 1900mhz sharing. However, another page I read titled "HTC EVO 4G LTE tech details revealed in FCC OET filing" shows that this phone is capable of running at 850mhz. I'm not able to post the link due to being a noob.
On a side note, I used to find it humorous that my droid x2 page plus phone would work in places where Sprint phones would not.
Yeah thast kinda misleading and confusing.
If a device is speced out for 800mhz its the same band plan as 850mhz..
Technically its in the 850mhz region but as a generic name they all it or label it 800mhz band..