has anybody tried motorola's webtop? - Galaxy S II Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

on another phone especially the galaxy sII? wondering it would on another device.

It has a proprietary connector so no.

the mhl dongle? it can be had, but i don't it is available commercially in the us. happen to know if any non motorola phones with hdmi out has tried webtop?

http://motorola-global-eng.custhelp.com/rnt/rnw/img/enduser/oly_supdock_front_m.jpg
You have to connect both connectors at the same time. And if I read correctly, one of the two is a proprietary connector by Motorola.

no. i have the atrix. it's just micro hdmi and micro usb. the galaxy has mhl connection which can be used for hdmi out i believe. it's just hard getting mhl because hardly anything is using it right now.

Samsung provides an microUSB to HDMI cable. But then again, you can't connect both at the same time.
And I think the Atrix has some specific drivers (and a lot of modified Android OS files) too. While they can be dumped, you'd need to adapt them on a GSII ROM. And since it's quite useless, nobody will dive into this huge reverse engineering work.
Definately a no-go.

well some of the atrix webtop files have been pulled and that is part of what i was wondering if anybody has tried to do a quick zip with them and seen what happens. i'm pretty sure it isn't that simple because as you've said, probably custom files from motorola. to some peeps it might be worth it to be able to use webttop/lapdock but who knows how deep you gotta dig in. i don't have the skills for it and am not requesting it either. some phones have been able to boot into other os'es and such so this task isn't unsurmountable.

While it isn't surmontable, it would be pretty hard (not only there's some files related to the webtop (libs and such), but there's also a completely changed Android framework). So it would be a pain in the ass to adapt this with Samsung files.
And since there maximum 5 guys in the world who have both a motorola webtop and a Galaxy S II, there's not a lot of chances to have it working.
And again, there are not the right connectors. Even if the software is adapted, there's still the hardware issue.

Well thanks for all the answers. I was more curious about if other android users were curious about webtop and galaxy sii was a good forum to ask because it's a powerful phone and popular. I got the lapdock and it's pretty good for light duty utilization. And easier on the eyes. Thanks for your answers again.
I voided my warranty.

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[Q] Webtop triggerable by hardware connection?

I was just thinking, all that the lapdock is to the phone is an HDMI output and a USB input, so why does it trigger webtop, and could I trigger webtop the same way?
My initial thought is, it triggers it by something sent into the USB, is there any way anyone could identify what in particular so it might be mimicked?
I realize people have come up with software webtop without lapdock solutions, but I'd really rather just leave the software alone (harmless as the change may be..), I rather like it as it is (with launcher pro instead of default that is..)
So, what is the lapdock doing to key the atrix to go into webtop?
I did search for this, sorry if there's already a thread about it, I didn't find one..
Although I am not a hardware person and have limited experience with Linux, I am also interested in the answer to this question. I would have to assume that the Atrix recognizes the connection and sends a command to launch the appropriate software.
Once again...I am not really in any position to contribute much relevant information.
Just to throw out some other ideas that rattled around in my head for someone more familiar with this device...
There is a communication that comes from displays where they identify themselves and their modes for whatever device that connects to them- some pieces of this information could be key.
Beyond that, any particular piece of information the USB device identifies itself with similarly- a model or serial number the internal usb hub claims itself to be to the system, I know these are standard passive details these devices share with anything connecting to them.
In the identification side, I wonder if the files modified by the software webtop hack might lend details about what is precisely telling them to go into webtop..
If it's keyed off of some particular serial number or model information from the USB, I figure I could buy a cheap configurable USB diag board and flash it to mimic that info..
I sincerely doubt there's anything superbly intelligent in the lapdock where it does some non-standard communication as a handshake, I would think it has to be based on the standard passive device information every USB hub or HDMI connection shares..
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Unless there's an extra device on the USB hub internally like a smartcard or flash chip with a key the atrix checks for..
I have webtop enabled without a dock, and webtop pops up when I plug just the HDMI cable in. I imagine it is just detecting the external display, and doesn't have anything to do with USB.
It should not be complicated as you you think. It's rather trigerred by some specific resistor on the pins 4&5 of micro USB connector
jenarelJAM said:
I have webtop enabled without a dock, and webtop pops up when I plug just the HDMI cable in. I imagine it is just detecting the external display, and doesn't have anything to do with USB.
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You arent running stock software then. It detects it yes depending on what software you are running but the docks sends a signal to the atrix to turn on webtop on stock.
Not sure that it uses resistors, because when software hack was not available, bunch of people tried to do it with resistors however nobody got it to work. The best way would be to take apart multimedia dock and look at circuitry . Most likely it has a microchip sending some kind of ID. The problem is you need a special device to sniff usb communication between devices. If somebody has a device like that it should not be that hard to sniff it and program separate microchip to send it to usb.
this should have been posted in q&a... not the dev section
jgc121 said:
this should have been posted in q&a... not the dev section
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Sorry, I can never tell the difference, when things are technical and require some development understanding which place to put it. If a mod could move this post I would appreciate it then.
jenarelJAM said:
I have webtop enabled without a dock, and webtop pops up when I plug just the HDMI cable in. I imagine it is just detecting the external display, and doesn't have anything to do with USB.
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Its sensing an external diplay. The hdmi cable does a handshake upon connection of the cable. At that point, the software handles what happens. Webtop senses usb as well (like the car dock does), but the hack removes that check. Thats how hdmi triggers webtop.
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From a video I saw from Motorola in UK it was a RFID thing......I am looking for the video now
_Dennis_ said:
From a video I saw from Motorola in UK it was a RFID thing......I am looking for the video now
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About two and a half minutes in to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5vgYiF3Udw.
He is specifically talking about the desk dock there but seems to imply they use "whisper technology" to communicate for all docks.
That's not from Motorola and that guy made that up....
At least that's my take....
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Thread moved to correct section.
There's no rfid ... the devs would have figured that out by now. Its most likely just by device id. Same reason the cable shouldn't be plugged into a computer. The device id is not in the standards compliance for usb. (E.g. not flash drove, hard disk, human interface device)
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Get a pool together for HDMI Out on CM7

I'd really like to get HDMI out on CM7.1 running on my GalaxyS2 I777. I have absolutely zero programming chops. But what I do have, is the willingness to drop some cash on a couple MHL HDMI cables. Obviously, I'd only purchase this for kernel/Cyanogenmod developers. Unless they want me to simply make a donation, but I'd really like to get this working on this phone. I know it's not a simple process, but I'd like to get the tools in the hands of the devs. So is this a bad idea or a good idea?
I love the idea of HDMI out in CM7, but it seems we are beholden to what the Int. does. If the CM7 developers who were given an Int. version by Samsung can't figure it out....
I would love to have it on my GS II.
But remember it will need to be charged at the same time otherwise the battery will drain soon.
So Microusb HDMI out and charging at the same time? Sound a bit hard to do.
jconfus said:
I would love to have it on my GS II.
But remember it will need to be charged at the same time otherwise the battery will drain soon.
So Microusb HDMI out and charging at the same time? Sound a bit hard to do.
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The MHL adapters have a micro SD port on them so you can connect your charger (I think you HAVE TO have the charger.connected for it to work anyways).
I too would love to see this work and am surprised the international SGS2 would have it already also.
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I forgot that Samsung gave them an I-9100 to play with. Well, I guess if they already have that, I guess they have the MHL-HDMI adapters. I tried to help :-( I guess it's time to donate...
CNLiberal said:
I forgot that Samsung gave them an I-9100 to play with. Well, I guess if they already have that, I guess they have the MHL-HDMI adapters. I tried to help :-( I guess it's time to donate...
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I don't think tv out works yet in either though (i9100 or for sure not the i777). I would love for them to get it working, about the only thing missing IMHO.
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Wait...you can't do HDMI on CM7?
Nope. Kind of a bummer, and I'm not in any way complaining. I love my CM7'd I777 (lot's of 7's). I'm just trying to make to device even better. But I guess the only thing we can do is donate. Come Thursday (my actual payday) I'll be throwing some money their way. They do a damned fine job.
As long as this works with the International Version, I'll donate. Put me down for 10

OTG Cable & HDMI MHL Adapter

Ok i havent gotten my samsung galaxy player 5.0 yet but i am working on it i ran across these 2 amazing accessories. And i was wondering has anyone else tried this on there device. Let me know any info you may have
HDMI HHL Adapter
http://www.amazon.com/Menotek-Adapt...Sensation/dp/B005F9W6DU/ref=pd_bxgy_cps_img_b
OTG Cable
http://www.amazon.com/T-Flash-Adapter-Samsung-GT-i9100-GT-N7000/dp/B005FUNYSA/ref=pd_cp_e_1
As for the HDMI,
The Samsung galaxy player, dose not support tv out
No OTG support (yet). They recently ported it to the galaxy s, we might be able to get it to work at least on the 4.0, witch is pretty much identical from what I have seen. So far I have confirmed their partitions are mounted identically, they have the same CPU, and I think they might even have the same motherboard (both of them have "ro.board.platform=s5pc110" in build.prop, not sure if that is the MB or not). The 5.0 is a totally different story though...
OP, you should go for the korean version if you want the HDMI output.
This version also supports 1080p (the device is also in english), has 16 or 32gb, and I found something very amusing : the korean version is made in Korea, whereas all the other versions are made in China. I guess koreans only buy korean products, haha! But I couldn't tell if it's any better...
MHL is definitely not present in the 5.0 - I tried the adapter that came with my Infuse.
There's a chance it might support analog TVout via the headphone jack, but this is unknown and no one has tried it yet.
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Hey entropy512, would you be willing to edit the settings.apk for the 4.0 U.S. version if I sent it to you, then someone with the right cable could see if the tvout works?
I have a TV out cable from my ipod 5g, if someone needs testing, i'm game
When I plug the cable into my headphone port, no picture shows up, however the audio dose not switch to headphones, it keeps playing through the speakers, so that must mean something...
BOBdotEXE said:
I have a TV out cable from my ipod 5g, if someone needs testing, i'm game
When I plug the cable into my headphone port, no picture shows up, however the audio dose not switch to headphones, it keeps playing through the speakers, so that must mean something...
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Yep, it means that your headphone jack detector works.
Dang, I'm almost sure this has video out, at least the 4.0 since I think it even has the same MB as the gt-i9000! I sure wish I could smai edit the settings.apk so that the option would show up, but I've been looking for a good guide on doing so and have yet to find one. I havn't had time to just learn smali as I have school, so unless there is someone out there with a 4.0 (possibly 5.0 has TV out as well, but less likely) that knows how to smali edit, we're stuck.
If you want tvout settings to appear then all you should need to do is get a settings.apk from a gt-i9000 and load it. Make sure it is the same framework as the one that you are running eg. 2.3.5. The setting will show up but I have found that just having the setting there does nothing if the functionality is not there...
Let me know how it goes...
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Well, I asked for the apk two days ago on the gt-i9000 forum but no one ever responded. Guess I'll go bump the thread! I guess those galaxy s owners are to busy to help a poor galaxy player owner, lol!
FYI, You don't need to ask, all you need to do is download a full rom for gt-i9000 and pull the settings.apk out.
You can use "kitchen" to do this if it's an odin flash, if it's a CWM zip then just open this zip and extract it out...
Ya, I thought of that, my internet is really slow though, guess I'll start it and it will be done by tonight.
Well, I tried the settings.apk, but it fc when I select display, or any other menu. Any suggestions? I guess the real way to do it would be to smali edit the original, but I have no idea how to do so.
Well, I have a 5.0 and not a 4.0 and I'm using 2.3.6. In the 5.0, settings for tvout are not there. It's just not in the code. If I were you, I would use adb logcat to get the exception info to find out why the settings.apk is fc and go from there....
Eh, I think I might call it quits for now. I've got a busy month, so if someone wants to pick up where I left off, here is the apk someone gave me.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22106185#post22106185
Why doesn't OTG work on the galaxy players? I thought it was standard in all android devices?
I think this player not support TV out?
There is a small chance it supports TV out via the 3.5mm jack. Someone needs to test it with a correct cable first, to confirm or deny.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1406174&page=4

[Q] USB audio out

I recently "upgraded" from the Motorola Atrix 4G to the LG Optimus G. Wanted to know if there is a way to have audio out from the micro-usb in a manner similar to the Motorola car dock where the usb charging also conveys audio to a 3.5 mm plug. Currently I am using a vanilla dock where I have to repeatedly plug in a 3.5 mm audio cable and usb. It would be great to have only one cable connected. Any ideas ???
electronlove said:
I recently "upgraded" from the Motorola Atrix 4G to the LG Optimus G. Wanted to know if there is a way to have audio out from the micro-usb in a manner similar to the Motorola car dock where the usb charging also conveys audio to a 3.5 mm plug. Currently I am using a vanilla dock where I have to repeatedly plug in a 3.5 mm audio cable and usb. It would be great to have only one cable connected. Any ideas ???
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Same boat as you. (Even came to this phone from the Atrix )
I have not been able to figure anything out so far. Right now, I am using the Infuse car dock, which has audio out on the dock itself, but it will not work with the LGOG.
I really miss the ability to just dock the phone in one step without having to connect any additional wires.
Looking for an answer to the same question. I'm hoping it might just be a software tweek. Otherwise I'll use Bluetooth to output audio to my car, but I'd rather not.
Have been thinking about the same thing. Picked up the OG last weekend coming from the Atrix 4G. I have the car dock and was hoping that the base/craddle pins just launched the car dock app. and the charger/audio was in the combo cable that came with the card dock. No such luck. The combo cable does not even charge with it connected directly to the OG. So now I am thinking of breaking down the dock and coming up with a way to connect the broken down parts directly to the phone. I have a spot in my car that will work perfectly without the dock so I really don't care about the dock/craddle.
Atrix 4G ran a specialized software when it's put in a dock or the laptop docking station. LGOG doesn't have that special software. I don't think Motorola will port the special software over to LGOG or any other phone manufacturers.
Your best bet is LG will implement their version of this and release it for the OG. I won't hold my breadth for this to happen.
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Atrix 4G ran a specialized software when it's put in a dock or the laptop docking station. LGOG doesn't have that special software. I don't think Motorola will port the special software over to LGOG or any other phone manufacturers.
Your best bet is LG will implement their version of this and release it for the OG. I won't hold my breadth for this to happen.
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I disagree.
The phone comes with a custom version of LG's car home app. (Correct me if I am wrong).
I would not be surprised if we have an official OEM car dock available in the future.
Also, how are you guys expecting to fit a LGOG into an Atrix dock????
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I don't need the dock to place the phone in my car. So I was thinking of breaking down the plastic and using the "plug/connector" that just uses the pins to the USB connector on the phone. I did not think it was software related since I was running CM10 along with the app "CarHome Ultra".
But now that I think aobut it, I'm not sure the hardware will work since I'm sure the pinouts will be different between the Moto and LG. I don't care about the auto launch...even though that is a nice feature to have. I would just like to have my phone charging while driving and take calls via the AUX when needed.
Audio out through USB will not work
So, I emailed LG asking about support for audio out to which they replied:
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The only way to get audio out from a USB is if the Optimus G supports this which it does not I&#39m afraid.
Audio out is not an option, Jonathan.
I hope this information helps and should you have ANY future concerns or questions, then please don't hesitate to email us again or PREFERABLY call LG toll free at 1-800-243-0000 anytime, day or night to speak with a Live Representative!
Thank you again for contacting LG Electronics, it was my pleasure to serve you, many thanks for being an LG Customer, and be blessed, Jonathan!
D. Stanley, Jr.
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That is stupid in my opinion. Perhaps there is a hack then...
electronlove said:
So, I emailed LG asking about support for audio out to which they replied:
------Reply to Your Inquiry-------
The only way to get audio out from a USB is if the Optimus G supports this which it does not I'm afraid.
Audio out is not an option, Jonathan.
I hope this information helps and should you have ANY future concerns or questions, then please don't hesitate to email us again or PREFERABLY call LG toll free at 1-800-243-0000 anytime, day or night to speak with a Live Representative!
Thank you again for contacting LG Electronics, it was my pleasure to serve you, many thanks for being an LG Customer, and be blessed, Jonathan!
D. Stanley, Jr.
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That is stupid in my opinion. Perhaps there is a hack then...
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Do you have the link where you emailed them?
I would like to ask if there is an official car dock in the works.
Has anyone tried a USB dac? I don't have one, but I've read about people using them on other devices such as the gs3. However, I think you need to have USB otg functionality, which I thought someone else said isn't natively available on the AT&T lgog.
I hope to get the lgog this weekend and would also like a car dock solution like my atrix 2.
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Well coming from the Captivate, audio out via USB was originally promised by Samsung but never came to fruition. Eventually someone figured it out and wrote into some kernels. I'm sure there is a way to do it for this phone as well. Just need someone willing to give it a shot. Although development for this phone seems to be lacking in comparison to the Captivate so it may be a while before this comes if ever.
USB audio is supported in jellybean. I think a dev could make it work with ics.
Hoping when jellybean is out I can hook up my D12 via USB (or even just my fiio e11 with a microusb LOD).
the sg3 guys are hooking up all kinds of amp/dac setups with great results.
I would imagine that it is very possible. The mini USB on the LGOG supports an hdmi out with a simple adapter. Seeing how hdmi sends audio it would seem that the LGOG has the hardware to send audio. I'll see what other info I can find.
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Reverse Tethering on T-820 (Option not available)

I want to be able to plug my new Galaxy Tab S3 (T-820) into my desktop computer or laptop via the USB C cable and not just move files back and forth, (which works fine), but ALSO have access to my desktop's internet connection through USB. I don't want to use WiFi.
I have an Ethernet to USB C dongle, which works fine, but it doesn't allow me to share files or charge my tablet. I'd like to be able to do all three at the same time.
In many of the "How To" articles out there where "Reverse Tethering" is described, they helpfully list the various buttons and widgets to click in order to enable this feature. However the authors always refer to menu items and buttons which don't appear under my tablet's settings. They're not just greyed out. They're simply absent. So that doesn't work.
Neither do any of the various apps on the Google Play Store and elsewhere which promise to provide reverse tethering. They just don't work.
SO...
Being new to the Android (and the smartphone) universe, I did a ton of homework and have so far figured out how to...
Root my tablet. (Done!)
Wade through the swamp of TWRP, ODIN, etc., while tripping spectacularly over the various speed bumps and permission walls provided by the likes of Samsung and Google's paranoid anti-theft (and it would seem from my use case, their anti-happiness) feature set.
Successfully install different flavors of Android.
Install both Magisk and Xposed and try their tethering unlockers with negative results.
After a week of little sleep, I've managed to get through all of this torturous nonsense and amaze myself by not having bricked or totally spoiled my tablet. It still functions! After all the warranty-voiding BS I've crammed through it, I'm feeling quite lucky.
However... I still don't have the ability to tether/reverse tether!
I've learned a lot, but I still feel mostly like a dazed and confused script kiddie (remember when 'script kiddie' was a term? Well for me, it still applies nicely.) I'm trying my level best, but various elements of this whole exercise remain opaque. This is my first post in any forum asking for advice because I finally hit the outer bounds of my DIY energies and pride.
So, if you will indulge my humble request, what I want to know is...
1. Is my tablet even capable on a hardware level of performing a reverse tether, or has the manufacturer locked that feature out so that even a ROM which promises to turn it on will fail to do so?
AND...
2. If it IS possible for a ROM to turn on the tether/reverse tether feature, which one is it and where can I find it?
2a. If there is another solution.., what is it?
I'm currently on...
Android Version 8.0.0
Samsung Experience version 9.0
Kernel Version 3.18.71-13482624
Build Number R16NW.T820XXU1BRE2
I bought this unit off Amazon; it was a refurb and I didn't get it through some cellular provider nor do I have a phone plan. I don't know where this tablet originally came from, but it was all new, sealed and shiny in the box when I got it.
Thanks!
I can appreciate losing a week of sleep. But I don't understand why you need to reverse tether. Enable WiFi and there you go. I think the last time I needed to tether a device through my laptop's internet connection would have been the 1990s.
FWIW the USB-C connector on the TAB S3 is different because if you want to drive an HDMI monitor you need a DisplayLink chip enabled dongle and DisplayLink Presenter app running on the Tab S3. Whereas on my TAB S4 I can just plug any regular old USB-C -> HDMI dongle and display on the monitor. So odds are trying to get reverse tethering working on the Tab S3 is going to be an exercise in futility.
Hi there, you still looking for reverse tethering for android? i found & use this for a while... you can check github link here : https://github.com/Genymobile/gnirehtet
working well on my S3.
Holy cow, it works!
mrvearn said:
Hi there, you still looking for reverse tethering for android? i found & use this for a while... you can check github link here : (link)
working well on my S3.
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What...? It worked?! Thank-you!
It's hard to believe how much effort and research I'd put into this, how many promising fixes I tried and which failed. In truth I'd given up weeks ago and found myself scornfully looking at the expensive tablet by my desk, wondering if I should hang on to it for its limited uses or sell it on eBay.
Thanks for posting! I can now do what I wanted with this machine.
For others, just follow the directions on the github link provided in the previous post.
I just scrolling around to find fixes for wifi issue - it connect & reconnect every times when on my office connection. Since me unable to use wifi, i try to find the work around using LAN connection. Then i found that.
Happy i can help others. Cheers mate.

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