If anyone uses Ultimate Juice/Juice defender, can you kindly chime in and give me your personal views on your experience with it on the 3D. It seems like it drains my battery overnight while idle. I took my charger off the phone fully juiced. When I woke up this morning it was sitting at 82 percent. Now when i don't have juice defender installed my phone sleeps like a beast. I observed this when i wasn't rooted all the way till this day. When i checked the notification bar I saw that titanium backup ran one of the schedules I have set up so I thought that may be it. I just want to here you guys experiences so I could see if this app is still a keeper for my 3D.
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What ROM are you using? I don't have juice installed, but with senseless or viper installed, I wake up with what I had the night before. Possibly 1 percent dropped. Background notifications are off, Bluetooth off, WiFi or 3g on and Facebook friendstreak loaded if on viper. Others eat up battery power.
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What ROM are you using? I don't have juice installed, but with senseless or viper installed, I wake up with what I had the night before. Possibly 1 percent dropped. Background notifications are off, Bluetooth off, WiFi or 3g on and Facebook friendstreak loaded if on viper. Others eat up battery power.
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I'm on Showdowns ROM with his baked kernel. That's what I'm saying, if I don't have juice Defender installed I won't lose I sip of battery overnight. As soon as I installed it I notice I lost almost 20%. I observed this once before right when temp root came out so i uninstalled it. The crazy part about it to me is I can't find no bad reviews anywhere on the app. That's why I'm asking you guys for your opinions.
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Then that tells me get rid of it. Sometimes best intentions backfire. I know we really don't need items like juice or advanced task manager with our version of android, their times where of past versions. That is my view, they where needed on the og EVO, not now.
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Then that tells me get rid of it. Sometimes best intentions backfire. I know we really don't need items like juice or advanced task manager with our version of android, their times where of past versions. That is my view, they where needed on the og EVO, not now.
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That's what i figured. The only reason I wanted to give it another go was because people with the sgs2 was talking like it worked wonders. But I guess they are just noobs and don't know what they are talking about.
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I use it on my ROM.no issues at all.it works perfectly.
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kaos420 said:
I use it on my ROM.no issues at all.it works perfectly.
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So you mean to tell me you don't lose any battery at all using juice defender. Have you ever tried charging till you had a full battery then taking it off the charger and letting it sit idle overnight. Try that and chime back in with your results. If you don't come back with the same issue I had ill start using ultimate juice again. Only cuz your a Dev.
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I've been meaning to ask you about your Kaos logo. Isn't that the same logo from homefront, if so, nice.
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I have had nothing but good results from using it. And, I've recommended it to lots of people. The thing it does best is to keep the 3G radio off most of the time. That is what saves the most battery.
I like a lot of the other features, too, like the location one where it figures out where you connect to WiFi and turns it on in just those places. That feature isn't perfect, but it works fairly well.
I've forgotten to plug it in to charge overnight, before, and awakened to only a percentage or two drop. I've actually never tested it without Juice Defender, though, but I am quite happy with my battery life with it.
I had good results with Juice Defender but when I upgraded to Ultimate things went haywire. Ended up not being able to connect to any WiFi network, WiFi would show as ON but I would get "Unable to Search for Networks". Uninstalled and rebooted and back working. So now I just manage my radios manually; that bug gave me a scare as really didn't want to have to re-flash. Oh, EVO 3d GSM on Virtuous 1.02.
I've used Juice for a long time. First on my 4G and now on my 3D. Just the other night I was fully charged before I went to bed and left the phone unplugged overnight. Woke up with 98% while having wifi, gps and bluetooth still on.
I'm using the gbsense-e3d rom. I plugged it in last night and was at 8% battery after 21 hours & around 2 hours of on screen usage and display 53%.
I have Juice set to basic but I usually run it on advanced and use the location for managing my wireless. In the past I did set a bunch of options in advanced settings and got terrible battery so I started to only use the preset options.
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Install system tuner pro and see if it's that app causing you issues...
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hankbear said:
I have had nothing but good results from using it. And, I've recommended it to lots of people. The thing it does best is to keep the 3G radio off most of the time. That is what saves the most battery.
I like a lot of the other features, too, like the location one where it figures out where you connect to WiFi and turns it on in just those places. That feature isn't perfect, but it works fairly well.
I've forgotten to plug it in to charge overnight, before, and awakened to only a percentage or two drop. I've actually never tested it without Juice Defender, though, but I am quite happy with my battery life with it.
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Well the percentage drop is noticeable to me because I have a 4000 mah extendo from seidio. I uninstalled ultimate juice last night before I took it off the charger to do another test. Just to see if ill get that same percentage drop without the app, & what do you know? I lost a total of three percent without it with all my radios on including 4G. So yeah, screw juice defender. Like I said, you'll have to fully charge to a hundred then take it off the charger and let it sit overnight to see what I really mean. I think when it gets in the 80 percentile, that's when it starts serving justice. IMO I don't think its really optimized for dual core phones.
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Install system tuner pro and see if it's that app causing you issues...
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I'm going to check that out to see what its about.
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r0cky0790 said:
So you mean to tell me you don't lose any battery at all using juice defender. Have you ever tried charging till you had a full battery then taking it off the charger and letting it sit idle overnight. Try that and chime back in with your results. If you don't come back with the same issue I had ill start using ultimate juice again. Only cuz your a Dev.
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I've been meaning to ask you about your Kaos logo. Isn't that the same logo from homefront, if so, nice.
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i have no issues with it. i leave my phone off all day and night at times. my wife forgets to charge hers alot. sometimes its off days. including nights. it never kills it fast. if anything it only dropped by a few % i guess depends on how you configure thew app. i just dont install it and let it run. i set it up to my liking.
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if anything it only dropped by a few % i guess depends on how you configure thew app. i just dont install it and let it run. i set it up to my liking.
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Well that's what I'm saying. I could leave my Evo sitting all day and it won't lose any battery if I won't touch it. If JD is designed to save juice while the screen is off, it defeats the purpose by draining battery in the background.
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And just to let you guys know, I just realized juice defender isn't really needed. Your 3G sleeps when the screen is off if you go into mobile network settings and uncheck Enable always-on mobile data.
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I'm experimenting with Juice Defender Ultimate as well. I'm using SteelROM and last night I had my phone on my battery for 12hrs. Watched a couple of Football games on my Sunday Ticket app, surfed the internet, checked email, and made a few phone calls. Without Juice Defender, I was getting about 9 to 10hrs (using SteelROM) a day with about the same amount of usage. So I guess I'm getting 2 more hours using it. But Steel's ROM is also a factor in me getting better battery life.
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I have a slight problem. I don't know if i have a bad battery or if roaming really does kill your battery that much. I have always used sense ROMs. I've used like 4 different ROMs so far such as Ava and Synergy. I'm now on the senseless ROM. I have my SetCPU set to screen off max 192 min 192. But when ever I'm at work, my battery completely dies without me even using it. A normal 8 hour day, the only time I use the phone is for 10 minutes on break to check email and Facebook, then for 30 minutes at lunch to text my girlfriend. The rest if the time the phone is in my pocket. But since I'm in a building the phone us always in roaming. It's fully charged at 630am when I leave and is between 20%-14% by 330pm when i get out. Does roaming the while time really drain the battery like that? Or do I maybe have a bad battery? No Rom has made a difference, even the senseless Rom.
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Roaming pwns the battery. I found that turning off mobile networks really helps when you are in these type of settings daily. Give it a shot.
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+1 Roaming kills the battery big time. I've learned that with every phone I have it seems.. First it was the Hero, sitting at the track in the middle of no where.. I sat down and the phone felt like it was on fire..looked at it.. from 100% an hour ago to almost 30%..roaming kill it. Like the other post, turn off the mobile network while leaving the phone in your pocket if your not using it.
Do this, turn your phone on airplane mode when not using...then be prepared to smile. Roaming sucks the phone dry on battery power.
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Roaming pwns the battery. I found that turning off mobile networks really helps when you are in these type of settings daily. Give it a shot.
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same here. however, i forward my sprint number to my sipgate number so it forwards to the phone while mobile networks are turned off as long as i have a wifi connection.
Thanks guys. My og EVO never had that problem which is what really confused me. I'll defiantly try turning off my mobile network and see how big of a difference it makes
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right now im running cm7. I undervolted my phone and I am currently underclocking it too. What else could I do besides the typical turn off your data, brightness, animatoins etc.?
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right now im running cm7. I undervolted my phone and I am currently underclocking it too. What else could I do besides the typical turn off your data, brightness, animatoins etc.?
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Switch to a Sense based Rom
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right now im running cm7. I undervolted my phone and I am currently underclocking it too. What else could I do besides the typical turn off your data, brightness, animatoins etc.?
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Right now I'm on an extended battery but before that, used all theory cm7 aosp based ROMs. His memory tweaks to the kernel are ridiculous. But one thing that helped a lot was using an app called automateit. Works like green power or tasked but better for me.
I have it set for 3 seconds after the screen goes off, I kill all mobile data. Then when screen goes on, it turns mobile data back on. This does not effect txt messages and phone calls.
Reasoning this works is because I found the 2 main battery killers to be cell standby and screen brightness. Part of cell standby is when your phone is searching for a data connection consistently. For example when. I would go to the movies, my 4g/3g was horrible. I'd go in with 80% and by the time i left it would be at 20% or less. Same with wifi but much easier to turn that off. So during my work day I would keep the app on, keeping my screen/data off, but when I wanted to see my mail, I'd turn screen on and it would sync instantly. Obviously if u want to get your mail randomly even with your phone off, there are settings you can tweak.
Aside from the cell standby issue, it'll also prevent your phone from constantly syncing.
Its a little harder than green power to use but it works all the time.
Aside from this use, there's countless other ways it can automate your experience.
I chose Trigger: screen off, and subsequent Action: mobile data off. Then trigger: screen on, action: mobile data on. With timers for each.
Last is screen brightness. If you get good data and cell reception then screen brightness will be the #1 cause of battery drain. In most cases with the bolt, its #1 regardless.
I just put it to 30% or 40% with widget. Sucks because its a killer screen, but at 75-100% brightness, you'll expect massive battery drain.
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Switch to a Sense based Rom
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God... the world is upside down when THAT statement makes sense, but it actually does. I have to really flog the hell out of the Tbolt running Sense to kill it in 8 hours. My girlfriends dInc running CM7 pretty much never last as long as mine running LTE.
On my brother-in-law's Thunderbolt, I moved him to "CL3ANTH3ORY_V1.0" which is GB and started using SetCPU. We also upgraded to the 627 radio set (CDMA+LTE) and now he can get through a whole day without a charge. Previously, he was charging 2-3 times a day. He is a pretty heavy user though, but still a great improvement.
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God... the world is upside down when THAT statement makes sense, but it actually does. I have to really flog the hell out of the Tbolt running Sense to kill it in 8 hours. My girlfriends dInc running CM7 pretty much never last as long as mine running LTE.
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Mix Sense with an extended battery and you're smooth as butta.
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agreed that theory's aosp rom does incredible with battery, even vs his own sense rom.
I used Juice Defender for a long time and loved it so I bought Juice Defender Ultimate but it has been nothing but problems lately. It does save battery but every time I unlock my phone after it has been locked a while the phone lags while Juice Defender is re-enabling the radios and stuff.
Should I just not use Juice Defender anymore?
Without Juice defender the Evo 3D disables the 3g when the screen is off. All you have to do is disable always mobile data on.
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Haven't had any lag issues with Juice Defender Ultimate.
I fixed the lag...oddly enough it seems it was lagging because I had the notification view on graphical instead of text.
Im starting to wonder if I even need juice defender though.
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I fixed the lag...oddly enough it seems it was lagging because I had the notification view on graphical instead of text.
Im starting to wonder if I even need juice defender though.
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I took it off. If you're like me and turn off all radios when not using the phone = that's more effective than using Juice Defender.
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I took it off. If you're like me and turn off all radios when not using the phone = that's more effective than using Juice Defender.
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Ive been rooted since we got S-Off and have been considering installing a custom rom. I just would like to know if callibrating (fully charge, fully drain, etc) is really necessary.
Nope, but its recommended. You'll notice your battery would be constantly misread if you don't do it between flasing roms.
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Misread in what way?
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Misread in what way?
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He meant to say that your battery life would continuously improve as the rom discovered range limits of the battery voltage.
So can I fully charge it, and then drain it doing whatever necessary? Or do I use it normally to drain it? Also, is this done before the rom, or after?
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Misread in what way?
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This is just a personal theory. The operating system reads the battery percentage so say your at 60 percent and you flash a new ROM right. Which is basically taking the operating system off and replacing it again. Those battery states left from the old ROM would still be there if you don't wipe them. Mind you since your in recovery the operating system is not really running since you haven't booted up & while in recovery of course your draining battery (keep in mind, these phones were not made for use to be going in and out of recovery mode. Therefore if your phone is all stock, there would be know reason for the OS to misread your battery percentage.) So when you boot back up into the ROM the battery is looking at the older battery stats which could possibly cause the OS to misread the battery percentage. Like I sad its just a theory. Maybe someone with a little bit mire knowledge then me could chime in and better explain.
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Why not wiping battery stats in recovery?
Coz i just saw it in 3D with the Shooter!
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This is just a personal theory. The operating system reads the battery percentage so say your at 60 percent and you flash a new ROM right. Which is basically taking the operating system off and replacing it again. Those battery states left from the old ROM would still be there if you don't wipe them. Mind you since your in recovery the operating system is not really running since you haven't booted up & while in recovery of course your draining battery (keep in mind, these phones were not made for use to be going in and out of recovery mode. Therefore if your phone is all stock, there would be know reason for the OS to misread your battery percentage.) So when you boot back up into the ROM the battery is looking at the older battery stats which could possibly cause the OS to misread the battery percentage. Like I sad its just a theory. Maybe someone with a little bit mire knowledge then me could chime in and better explain.
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Phone doesn't read battery percentage, it reads voltage and then calculates the percentage based on the lowest and highest voltages recorded.
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So it seems like your battery isn’t lasting very long. You search the Forum at SDX Developers and hear about this thing called “Battery Re-Calibration” and how its supposed to be great for increasing your battery life. Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but the guides for “Battery Calibration” lead you through some steps that actually do more harm than good! And here’s the reason why: The batteries in your mobile forms are high-capacity lithium-ion batteries. This kind of battery technology cannot be simply reset and “re-calibrated.” When you follow the steps to recalibrate your battery and delete the batterystats.bin file from your phone, you are getting rid of more than what you think… Stored inside that batterystats.bin file, your phone keeps detailed logs of the capacity of your battery and uses it on how it can be utilized more efficiently. By deleting this file, it basically wipes the phone’s memory on what the battery can really do. This actually does damage to your battery by using up valuable charging cycles, all while giving a fraction of battery life and performance. Now, you might be saying uh-oh, I’ve already re-calibrated my battery! What do I do?! Well here’s your answer. Use your phone like normal. Yes, your battery and phone wont perform as good as it can for a while, but after a few days, you will notice that it starts doing better and better. Give it time, its trying to rebuild all those logs that you just deleted I hope this helps and clears up this argument once and for all! Posted in SDX | Tags: battery, Battery Re-calibration, re-calibration, recalibrati
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I'm talking ROMs, kernels, apps to help, ANYTHING. I'm almost literally sick by how awful this battery is. I made my EVO 4G last 2 days on heavy usage(how I always use my phone) with juicedefender running. Now juicedefender doesn't seem to help even a bit and my phone ends up dying in 6 hours TOPS so I need to start focusing more on ROMs geared towards battery life. Help?
Edit: before people assume I haven't researched this. I bought an Anker battery (still hasn't shipped), taken heed of everything in the battery life tips thread, AND reduced my auto brightness as suggested in that one thread. These fixes give me negligible amounts of power.
Edit 2: after turning off all user apps that start up with my phone my phone has a wake lock that I can't get past.
I personally think that the Virus 2.3.3 Nightly (gingerbread) ROM runs very well with the lowest amount of battery use. Some things you have to get used to, but overall I love using it. I'm on my second day of no charge (although I do have a 4500mah battery) - and still have 30% left. And I am on my phone for hours sometimes. So with a regular battery I would assume you could get a day or more. Use the stock Ziggy's Kernel that comes with it. Then, if you want even more battery out of it, use Virtuous OC to underclock the CPU to below stock settings and you should easily get more than a day out of it with pretty hefty usage.
A different ROM that wasn't my personal favorite but is definitely a good ROM for battery saving is Viper's. His is sense.
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I'm talking ROMs, kernels, apps to help, ANYTHING. I'm almost literally sick by how awful this battery is. I made my EVO 4G last 2 days on heavy usage(how I always use my phone) with juicedefender running. Now juicedefender doesn't seem to help even a bit and my phone ends up dying in 6 hours TOPS so I need to start focusing more on ROMs geared towards battery life. Help?
Edit: before people assume I haven't researched this. I bought an Anker battery (still hasn't shipped), taken heed of everything in the battery life tips thread, AND reduced my auto brightness as suggested in that one thread. These fixes give me negligible amounts of power.
Edit 2: after turning off all user apps that start up with my phone my phone has a wake lock that I can't get past.
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avoid juice defender and manage yourself with system panel
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1226479
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1224659
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avoid juice defender and manage yourself with system panel
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1226479
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1224659
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+1 for SteelROM! Best battery life I've seen on this phone.
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avoid juice defender and manage yourself with system panel
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Juice defender definitely drains battery by running in the background. The 3D is already capable of disabling 3G while screen is off.
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