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I have been to a couple forums trying to discuss this phone. and I always come across arguments over what version is better. seems like there is a lot of animosity on both sides. but mostly on the international side I was just wondering why. we are all in the note family .we should be united in our love for this great phone. either version so what I'm asking is cant we all get along lol
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I have been to a couple forums trying to discuss this phone. and I always come across arguments over what version is better. seems like there is a lot of animosity on both sides. but mostly on the international side I was just wondering why. we are all in the note family .we should be united in our love for this great phone. either version so what I'm asking is cant we all get along lol
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It's called post-purchase rationalization. When you buy something expensive, you'll naturally defend your reasoning.
Because they purchased their version, they have a case of cognitive dissonance because they won't purchase the AT&T version
A fox sees some high-hanging grapes and wishes to eat them. When the fox is unable to think of a way to reach them, he decides that the grapes are probably not worth eating, with the justification the grapes probably are not ripe or that they are sour (hence "sour grapes"). This example follows a pattern: one desires something, finds it unattainable, and reduces one's dissonance by criticizing it.
As we've seen from many, many benchmarks between the devices, the benchmarks are on par in most regards. The exynos has a slightly better GPU, but the CPU is not quite as power as ours for floating point operations and a few other things.
Oh, and ours is LTE
And I don't want to trash the international but when the international users trash AT&T version it's like really come on man just be happy with what you got or sell it and get the us version and the only really difference that matters the most is the LTE you even know how much faster this thing gonna be lol
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And I don't want to trash the international but when the international users trash AT&T version it's like really come on man just be happy with what you got or sell it and get the us version and the only really difference that matters the most is the LTE you even know how much faster this thing gonna be lol
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A majority of the AT&T users who bought the note, are the ones who are talking trash about our version.
Just ignore it though. We'll have mostly separate communities. Development will be separated too.
They can have their non-LTE phone and be happy. Most of them aren't from the U.S.
If this is causing you some distress, I suggest you wander over to a 'feel good' thread, like "Gorilla Glass" in the title (although these seemed to have died down a bit).
These threads are so harmonious , just being there makes me want to.......
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If this is causing you some distress, I suggest you wander over to a 'feel good' thread, like "Gorilla Glass" in the title (although these seemed to have died down a bit).
These threads are so harmonious , just being there makes me want to.......
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the benchmarks are on par in most regards.
Oh, and ours is LTE
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And NFC... (I think)
A couple of quadrant points is a huge deal, but a couple-dozen meg/sec download speed is insignificant... :what:
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If this is causing you some distress, I suggest you wander over to a 'feel good' thread, like "Gorilla Glass" in the title
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Oh yea, almost forgot to ask, does the Note have Gorilla Glass? :banghead:
Duck..!
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Why did I buy the international version?
Main reason is I got tired of at&t dragging its feet in releasing it
The processor didn't mean much to me, I don't play games...
LTE? Going to be at least a year til it gets to my market, if that soon.
Updates...I prefer manufacturer updates, over custom roms most of the
time. Manufacturer roms almost always hit WAY before a carrier releases one,
if at all.
Bloat...unless you root, getting rid of carrier installed bloat is next to
impossible LOL.
p51d007 said:
Why did I buy the international version?
Main reason is I got tired of at&t dragging its feet in releasing it
The processor didn't mean much to me, I don't play games...
LTE? Going to be at least a year til it gets to my market, if that soon.
Updates...I prefer manufacturer updates, over custom roms most of the
time. Manufacturer roms almost always hit WAY before a carrier releases one,
if at all.
Bloat...unless you root, getting rid of carrier installed bloat is next to
impossible LOL.
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Almost all of your reasons can be tweaked/altered in some way to match or exceed the international note. We are on a developers forum so I would assume most people are going to take control over their own devices and negate carrier updates and bloat. ATT can try and cripple the device all they want but Ill be flashing a rogers or telus rom as soon as theyre available. Did wonders for my skyrocket.
Maroon Mushroom said:
A majority of the AT&T users who bought the note, are the ones who are talking trash about our version.
Just ignore it though. We'll have mostly separate communities. Development will be separated too.
They can have their non-LTE phone and be happy. Most of them aren't from the U.S.
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I bit of overgeneralizing going on. I am on this board and android central and have not seen this although the mods are quick to look at this for "signs". The thread on throttling, which many of us commented on, is way more over the line than this thread has ever been. It is not hate to point out the differences in the phones. They are different and will perform differently. In a few weeks this board will be full of posts why the ATT folks are not happy with their purchase and problems with their GNote, just as on the other forums.
Having said that, the ones who bought the International version should either be happy with their purchase or sell the GNote and get the ATT version if they want that and not try to tear down the ATT model. We get it, it is not a exynos...so what. If you want LTE, which I do, you do not have any other options.
I will be getting the ATT version, provided the reviews are what I expect them to be. (and keeping my International GNote) So I will have both and go back and forth between the forums. There is a lot more similar between the phones (touchwiz) than is different. There is a lot that can be learned from folks who already have the phone, on tips and tricks for example.
The ones who are getting the ATT version should not dismiss the experiences of the International GNote owners and the International GNote owners should not try to put down the ATT version as any less capable a phone as the International. As to what happens on other boards, I do not know or do not care. THIS board has been very civil, so let's all work to keep it that way!
Peace everyone!
Maroon Mushroom said:
It's called post-purchase rationalization. When you buy something expensive, you'll naturally defend your reasoning.
Because they purchased their version, they have a case of cognitive dissonance because they won't purchase the AT&T version
A fox sees some high-hanging grapes and wishes to eat them. When the fox is unable to think of a way to reach them, he decides that the grapes are probably not worth eating, with the justification the grapes probably are not ripe or that they are sour (hence "sour grapes"). This example follows a pattern: one desires something, finds it unattainable, and reduces one's dissonance by criticizing it.
As we've seen from many, many benchmarks between the devices, the benchmarks are on par in most regards. The exynos has a slightly better GPU, but the CPU is not quite as power as ours for floating point operations and a few other things.
Oh, and ours is LTE
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Well said sir .
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Oh I get it now...kinda like all the hate from the ATT GNote buyers in the thread about the LG vu? lol!
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They can have their non-LTE phone and be happy. Most of them aren't from the U.S.
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So the international version cant reach at&t lte type speeds over seas on a different network?
SysAdmNj said:
So the international version cant reach at&t lte type speeds over seas on a different network?
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No. There is a Korean LTE version but the ATT and Canadian Models are the first with customized LTE radios to be launched outside of Korea I believe. The International GNote is HSPA+.
He's got a point. We will all be complaining about AT&T when they get an official ICS update and we dont!
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No. There is a Korean LTE version but the ATT and Canadian Models are the first with customized LTE radios to be launched outside of Korea I believe. The International GNote is HSPA+.
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Thanks for clearing that up.
planoman said:
Oh I get it now...kinda like all the hate from the ATT GNote buyers in the thread about the LG vu? lol!
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That's Not hate... The LG VI is ugly and were just shocked that LG would make something like that. It looks like a huge Nokia windows phone with LG's UI on it.
MMAHavok69 said:
That's Not hate... The LG VI is ugly and were just shocked that LG would make something like that. It looks like a huge Nokia windows phone with LG's UI on it.
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uhh...it was a joke...
I feel the Note community needs to come together so we can direct our attention against the Vu...
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slaydog said:
He's got a point. We will all be complaining about AT&T when they get an official ICS update and we dont!
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I did preorder the AT&T version so I'm gonna be right there with you. As others have said, the international version is likely to continue to have a bigger dev community and we don't have the option that I777 users have taken of porting ROMs easily because we won't be running the same hardware. Hopefully there will be enough similarity to other, popular Snapdragon devices that we can get CM9 going in a reasonable timeframe.
The fact is that both devices have advantages and disadvantages, even if some are based more on personal preferences than objective criteria. Any time people feel strongly about their stuff, they will invite flame wars. My advice to rational people is not to take anything said on the internet to heart. Lots of people get heated about things and escalating any sort of conflict on a forum--especially on a forum that is meant to be devoted to development and sharing.
this is probably not the right place to post but i wanted to share this link
http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...sh-notice-samsung-didn-t-copy-ipad-judge-says
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...tice-samsung-didn-t-copy-ipad-judge-says.html
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mejori said:
this is probably not the right place to post but i wanted to share this link
http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...sh-notice-samsung-didn-t-copy-ipad-judge-says
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...tice-samsung-didn-t-copy-ipad-judge-says.html
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its the wrong place but i dont care since apple sucks
plus i mean tablets are rectangle, like kind of hard to come up a totally unique design thats not rectangluar in nature
you expect compaines to come up with a circular tablet?
lawsuits are perhaps the newest, and one of the most effective means of advertisement. simply because the suits likely cost less in the long run than the marketing dollars to get the same results. by that I mean that virtually everyone on the planet who cares about phones, has heard about apple and samsung in the last six months.
The only thing left to do now ?...decide which one you want to buy...
P.S. I think court expenses are tax deductible ?...LOL
Apple and Samsung arent stupid.....And they are both winning today....g
SayWhat10 said:
its the wrong place but i dont care since apple sucks
plus i mean tablets are rectangle, like kind of hard to come up a totally unique design thats not rectangluar in nature
you expect compaines to come up with a circular tablet?
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i guess deep down i knew it was wrong to post here..but like you said ..apple sucks
and apple probably invented the circle anyway !!:cyclops:
Thats London but here in America a judge seems to think Samsung did copy things from the ipad and stopped all sales of the first Galaxy Tab. The same judge also stopped sales of the Galaxy Nexus. http://blog.legalzoom.com/intellect...d-to-stop-selling-galaxy-tablet-galaxy-nexus/
Anyone want to bet that POS judge uses CRAPple products? Lol
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I saw it earlier but didn't want to post knowing how trigger happy some are on here. Things get locked quit.
THE BOSS AKA THE BEAST !
It appears Apple has won the case. The jury has said Samsung has infringed on the patents.
I put this here because I believe that it does relate to us as a community and the galaxy s2 but mods if you feel it isn't related to then close it.
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Yeah Sammy just got raped. There's a long appeal process ahead. But those fruit people potentially killed twiz
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joshyy_rey said:
Yeah Sammy just got raped. There's a long appeal process ahead. But those fruit people potentially killed twiz
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And hopefully brought a pure Android to Samsung future phones
If any of you guys follow Robert Scoble on G+, he just posted an interesting take on the outcome...
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dandrumheller said:
If any of you guys follow Robert Scoble on G+, he just posted an interesting take on the outcome...
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+1
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Fatal1ty_18_RUS said:
And hopefully brought a pure Android to Samsung future phones
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Yeah We on XDA love that, but in reality it hurts Android in the long run with the "main stream" customer. I know like 6 girls who fit the apple mold and were iphone users, that switched to SGS3 recently because of it's features it offered over apple. Let's face it ASOP is for hardcore android people. Stock android isnt pretty enough and offer enoigh features for the average person. Look at what a lot of people on here complain about, wishing they could bring twiz camera to cm10 etc, in reality Android has a few more steps to go to get where it needs to be to compete in the general consumer arena, it needs skins, imo.
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And hopefully brought a pure Android to Samsung future phones
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Nexus S got dinged for 2 million. So they won't go pure android. Windows phone 8 maybe if MS stop being dicks to one of their best OEMs.
Meh, Samsung deserved it. Pretty damning internal memos basically saying "copy Apple".
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ferrocene said:
Meh, Samsung deserved it. Pretty damning internal memos basically saying "copy Apple".
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I get that but I mean what else can they do?
So don't the new I phones have a pull down status bar like android? Am I wrong or is that a rip off of Googles work? I dunno. Whatever. Fricking Apple kills me.
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Color a dodge challenger or a mustang yellow with black stripes. Most of the tools in the world will think its bumblebee.
People are stupid and our patent system is ****ed.
Yes Sammy did "copy" apple, but thats what must be done to be in the mainstream. and has ALWAYS been done.
Our patent system caused this, samsung didnt do anything wrong. IMO
Also, other than the square icons, and the chrome bezel, I see nothing that resembles an iphone. If it was a blatant copy, people would have a hard time identifying it.
Phalanx7621 said:
So don't the new I phones have a pull down status bar like android? Am I wrong or is that a rip off of Googles work? I dunno. Whatever. Fricking Apple kills me.
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It is different because of the way it works. It is just that small section of screen not the whole screen like android which makes it different enough.
MotoMudder77 said:
Color a dodge challenger or a mustang yellow with black stripes. Most of the tools in the world will think its bumblebee.
People are stupid and our patent system is ****ed.
Yes Sammy did "copy" apple, but thats what must be done to be in the mainstream. and has ALWAYS been done.
Our patent system caused this, samsung didnt do anything wrong. IMO
Also, other than the square icons, and the chrome bezel, I see nothing that resembles an iphone. If it was a blatant copy, people would have a hard time identifying it.
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+1 to this. If the idiot judge hadn't granted Apple those patent rights (on stuff they didn't develop, and which should have never been patentable in the first place) this case would have never happened to begin with.
Thinking about this, maybe I could file for patent on any display device that is rectangle and has a bezel with square corners and sue all monitor/televison manufacturers? hmmm
Phalanx7621 said:
So don't the new I phones have a pull down status bar like android? Am I wrong or is that a rip off of Googles work? I dunno. Whatever. Fricking Apple kills me.
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Yes. But that's an issue that Android has to deal with, not Samsung (which they are) The OS infringing done by Samsung had to do with Touchwiz, not Android directly (even though the features are found in stock android). And then there's the 'edge to edge glass with a button' and 'rectangle with rounded corners' patents. Yes, Apple was actually allowed to patent a form factor and a shape..
Regardless, every single Apple patent that the jury claimed was valid was ridiculous.
Motorola (Google) has already started filing suit against Apple not too long before this decision.
just wait till Apple patents the circle, triangle and trapezoid, then we're really screwed.
anyways, doesn't every friggin phone out have a large touch screen , edge to edge glass blah blah.
perhaps when the iphone5 comes out with a 4" screen, samsung can sue back since the galaxy has had a 4" screen for years.
funny if this all works out (apple banning samsung phones, while google banning apple phones), we'll only have LG and HTC left LOL
jin5 said:
just wait till Apple patents the circle, triangle and trapezoid, then we're really screwed.
anyways, doesn't every friggin phone out have a large touch screen , edge to edge glass blah blah.
perhaps when the iphone5 comes out with a 4" screen, samsung can sue back since the galaxy has had a 4" screen for years.
funny if this all works out (apple banning samsung phones, while google banning apple phones), we'll only have LG and HTC left LOL
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Theres gonna be a huge market for banned black market devices. I can see the ebayers wheels turning already
In the case of other manufacturers infringing, Apple only needs to win one case like this for other manufacturers to line up to pay for Apples bogus IP and all the rest will just be short court battles that Apple can win just by referencing this case. I do however definitely seeing this as being appealed and Samsung will most likely not end up with this bad of a final verdict. Its just too ridiculous to stand. I mean, SKorea and UK threw the Apple patents out, deemed them invalid! Only here in the US could Apple pull this off..
jin5 said:
just wait till Apple patents the circle, triangle and trapezoid, then we're really screwed.
anyways, doesn't every friggin phone out have a large touch screen , edge to edge glass blah blah.
perhaps when the iphone5 comes out with a 4" screen, samsung can sue back since the galaxy has had a 4" screen for years.
funny if this all works out (apple banning samsung phones, while google banning apple phones), we'll only have LG and HTC left LOL
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Precisely. There isn't much wiggle room with which an all touch device can be designed lol.
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SKorea and UK threw the Apple patents out, deemed them invalid! Only here in the US could Apple pull this off..
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The us had been behind in mobile technology for a long time. Now, if this verdict holds, the rest of the world will get the latest devices while we will all be stuck with either iPhones, phones that to avoid Apple's lawyers have to use technology that is five years old, or phones that cost much more than they do elsewhere because companies are paying to use Apple's "innovations".
The only thing this lawsuit does is to either take away excellent products away from US consumers or make them more expensive for us, while the rest of the world continues to enjoy superior product choices with better technology. The judge that granted these patents to Apple was incompetent.
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The us had been behind in mobile technology for a long time. Now, if this verdict holds, the rest of the world will get the latest devices while we will all be stuck with either iPhones, phones that to avoid Apple's lawyers have to use technology that is five years old, or phones that cost much more than they do elsewhere because companies are paying to use Apple's "innovations".
The only thing this lawsuit does is to either take away excellent products away from US consumers or make them more expensive for us, while the rest of the world continues to enjoy superior product choices with better technology. The judge that granted these patents to Apple was incompetent.
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Agreed but Apple just has to have their way. Reminds me of a spoiled brat tbh although I am not that educated on the issue
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I get that but I mean what else can they do?
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Develop an entirely new UI for their products, like HTC did with Sense even though I know that some or even many people dislike it for various reasons. But hey, let's face it: those Taiwainian guys brought something really new and pretty for Android users, even with all its minuses.
By now you guys may have heard of the latest news regarding Samsung's unwillingness to release documentation about their Exynos chip based devices. Codeworkx and Entropy have been trying for quite some time now but Samsung has responded in a somewhat optimistic fashion. The story is in the portal if you haven't seen it yet.
I'm posting this here so we can get as many people as possible to contact Samsung via all the social media avenues we have(twitter,Facebook,google+, etc). Lets tell them what we want and the possibility that we may go with another manufacturer for our next device(I.e LG Nexus device, hopefully open source).
I would implore users to follow @Entropy512 and @codeworkx on twitter to join the conversation
Portal link: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/samsung-aware-of-exynos-documentation-issue/#disqus_thread
Petition thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925709
Codeworkx comments: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32576852&postcount=17071
More: http://www.sammobile.com/2012/10/10...ver-missing-exynos-docs/#.UHVMN3qlP4Q.twitter
Spread the word to your friends in other device forums, etc to join the fight!
COME ON, SAMSUNG!!!!!
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By now you guys may have heard of the latest news regarding Samsung's unwillingness to release documentation about their Exynos chip based devices. Codeworkx and Entropy have been trying for quite some time now but Samsung has responded in a somewhat optimistic fashion. The story is in the portal if you haven't seen it yet.
I'm posting this here so we can get as many people as possible to contact Samsung via all the social media avenues we have(twitter,Facebook,google+, etc). Lets tell them what we want and the possibility that we may go with another manufacturer for our next device(I.e LG Nexus device, hopefully open source).
I would implore users to follow @Entropy512 and @codeworkx on twitter to join the conversation
Portal link: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/samsung-aware-of-exynos-documentation-issue/#disqus_thread
Petition thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1925709
Codeworkx comments: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32576852&postcount=17071
COME ON, SAMSUNG!!!!!
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http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-hears-exynos-community-documentation-concerns
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Also https://twitter.com/SamsungExynos/status/255733883449004032
This thing is growing to a serious amount right now and I like it
There are a growing amount of threads about the source code issue:
Note N7000:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32622901#post32622901
Galaxy SII I9100:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929188
The only lesson I've taken away from owning a captivate and gs2 since day 1 of each release is that if you don't want to be disappointed, nexus line is the way to go.
I'll get the next nexus and wash my hands of this sordid galaxy business.
If it's LG, so be it. Samsung makes great hardware but I feel like they string us along on the support front.
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The only lesson I've taken away from owning a captivate and gs2 since day 1 of each release is that if you don't want to be disappointed, nexus line is the way to go.
I'll get the next nexus and wash my hands of this sordid galaxy business.
If it's LG, so be it. Samsung makes great hardware but I feel like they string us along on the support front.
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Even if it is lg Google should solve the horrid software updates
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Nope. I'll still buy Samsung devices. They have the best hardware and design IMO, and I actually like Touchwiz.
i'm pretty phone-agnostic. but i'll avoid HTC and Moto like the plague because of actual hardware
will give up all the exynos produce.... too buggy with developer support
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will give up all the exynos produce.... too buggy with developer support
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huh?
I voted for YES to add some pressure. Actually, im enjoying my phone, but the experience would be even better if we had proper Exynos Documentation.
djluis48 said:
I voted for YES to add some pressure. Actually, im enjoying my phone, but the experience would be even better if we had proper Exynos Documentation.
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As am I, but Samsung needs to start giving it up. And look at how much emphasis they've placed on the whole emmc brickbug issue. They have great design and hardware elements, but if there are less devs to support the continuity and customization of these Samsung devices, then it makes all the more sense for me to jump ship. I don't like the other manufacturers, but if they are more supportive of developers in terms of code release, etc. then that's where i'll be heading. Or I might just buy a Nexus device. Samsung needs to stop being so darn stingy.
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As am I, but Samsung needs to start giving it up.
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Samsung doesn't NEED to do anything... them providing anything more than the product itself (and warranty support) is going above and beyond.
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Samsung doesn't NEED to do anything... them providing anything more than the product itself (and warranty support) is going above and beyond.
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They need to do it if they want to keep sales where they're at now.
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They need to do it if they want to keep sales where they're at now.
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Agree with this. People are becoming more tech savvy each day, and even my dad wants ICS/JB on his phone. He is 50, but he readed on the net about the update, saw some videos and know he is looking to buy a new phone shipped with ICS that will receive the update to JB. I told him that he should buy a phone with good dev support in case he decides to root and flash rom (had to explain what that was, but he got it pretty fast). He agreed
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Agree with this. People are becoming more tech savvy each day, and even my dad wants ICS/JB on his phone. He is 50, but he readed on the net about the update, saw some videos and know he is looking to buy a new phone shipped with ICS that will receive the update to JB. I told him that he should buy a phone with good dev support in case he decides to root and flash rom (had to explain what that was, but he got it pretty fast). He agreed
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So true. One of my co-workers was a staunch Blackberry fan; when his phone tanked and he went back to our telecoms provider (the S3 had just been released), he convinced them to upgrade him to an S3 instead of replacing the dead BB with another one. Now he's complaining about the JB update taking so long, etc. , and he can't wait for his warranty to run out so he can root... lol
Even my friends who mostly go for iPhones where I am (so many of them it's ridiculous) are on average more tech savvy than I usually think, but the people with Android phones more often want to learn about rooting and roming and they come to me for that and I always lead them here. So it isn't just the tech geeks now.
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thats the thing... they don't NEED to do anything but provide the hardware and warranty. it doesn't matter to them, as a large corporation, if people mod the phones or not. people will still buy the hardware.
the relatively few of us that want the full support are nowhere near the amount of people that just don't care... which is exactly why (it makes me feel dirty saying it) apple can get away with phones that are nothing more than functioning paperweights compared to what we do with out phones. the masses dictate the sales, not us as a small group (in comparison).
samsung will just come out with a better version of TW to try and get people to not want full support, thats a better business model for them when you think about their users as a whole.
it's business 101, do whats best for the masses, not the few.
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it's business 101, do whats best for the masses, not the few.
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I would say its "Marketing 101", and the term you might be looking for is Niche Market.
Wikipedia said:
A niche market is the subset of the market on which a specific product is focusing. So the market niche defines the specific product features aimed at satisfying specific market needs, as well as the price range, production quality and the demographics that is intended to impact.
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Doesn't matter which business model they follow, it isn't hard to publish documentation. We aren't asking them to dev for us, just release the damn information so our devs can do what they do easier and better!
Clay
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alright everybody, I just went to the store and played with the Galaxy Note 2. I have to say I am absolutely sold on this device now for sure 100 percent! Flash Player work on it, and everything else is just awesome! words can't even describe how fluid this device really is, anybody who was doubting might as well put that to rest! go to T Mobile or sprint and go play with yourself!
I did that too. But, coming from the GNote, it may or may not be worth the 300 right now. I guess for me, I can wait till it comes down in cost.
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Well, I'm getting one but only because I can get it for free. Otherwise, I'd maybe hold on since the GNote I will be getting most of the Note IIs software through updates and also, I may want to wait for the price to drop.
At any rate, I've held a Tmobile Note II but that was about it. The POS Tmobile stores over here do that dumb crap where the vast majority of phones are just on static display, so you can't play with a working model. I don't understand how that's legal. You want me to commit hundreds of dollars towards a device I can't play with so I can wisely make an informed decision??
I already purchased mine....Waiting on the shipment....Hope ya get it...Ill be seeing ya in the note 2 forums
I'm going to go ahead and say that I won't be "playing with myself" at the tmobile store, though the Note 2 will definitely tempt me....
truth77 said:
alright everybody, I just went to the store and played with the Galaxy Note 2. I have to say I am absolutely sold on this device now for sure 100 percent! Flash Player work on it, and everything else is just awesome! words can't even describe how fluid this device really is, anybody who was doubting might as well put that to rest! go to T Mobile or sprint and go play with yourself!
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wish777 said:
I already purchased mine....Waiting on the shipment....Hope ya get it...Ill be seeing ya in the note 2 forums
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I'll have mine the day its in stores
sethington3 said:
I'm going to go ahead and say that I won't be "playing with myself" at the tmobile store, though the Note 2 will definitely tempt me....
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Lmao
Dr. Evo said:
Well, I'm getting one but only because I can get it for free. Otherwise, I'd maybe hold on since the GNote I will be getting most of the Note IIs software through updates and also, I may want to wait for the price to drop.
At any rate, I've held a Tmobile Note II but that was about it. The POS Tmobile stores over here do that dumb crap where the vast majority of phones are just on static display, so you can't play with a working model. I don't understand how that's legal. You want me to commit hundreds of dollars towards a device I can't play with so I can wisely make an informed decision??
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I complained about this exactly. I said, how can I be sure I like the way it fits in my hand if it's got this big ass tether on it? No reply...
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dakleenupman said:
I complained about this exactly. I said, how can I be sure I like the way it fits in my hand if it's got this big ass tether on it? No reply...
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It's really asinine. And it's not just Tmobile... MOST stores in my area that do cellular phones sales, don't have working models, including Best Buy, Target, The Sprint Store, TMobile Store, and Radio Shack. They have static models tethered to a line that you can hold... that's it. What the hell kind of decision am I supposed to make based on that? And the three working phones that Tmo had, were older phones like the S III and some other crap that no one wanted. I was very upset.
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the GNote I will be getting most of the Note IIs software through updates
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How do you know this for sure?
My first note was never a disappointment for me...then came the successor Note 2...superbly fast,smooth..loving the multi-tasking features...and tons and tons of features...WOW.
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[QUOTE=Dr. Evo;33483160I'd maybe hold on since the GNote I will be getting most of the Note IIs software through updates
Not actually.....some of the software are optimize for the new stylus...and some need processing power...maybe some but not all....
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baudilus said:
How do you know this for sure?
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Nobody knows for sure.
Even though the hover feature does exist in the Note 1, I believe Samsung has said hover mode is an exclusive feature of the Note 2 because of hardware...so I got a feeling that Samsung won't put some of the Note 2 features in a future update, if there is one anyways.
As for the mini apps and multiview, I also don't see why not. Current apps like Overskreen, aircalc and the pop up video players work fine. I dont see any slowdown on my Note 1(not stock)
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It's really asinine. And it's not just Tmobile... MOST stores in my area that do cellular phones sales, don't have working models, including Best Buy, Target, The Sprint Store, TMobile Store, and Radio Shack. They have static models tethered to a line that you can hold... that's it. What the hell kind of decision am I supposed to make based on that? And the three working phones that Tmo had, were older phones like the S III and some other crap that no one wanted. I was very upset.
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every store I have ever been to, that has these static "show" models, will always let you actually try a working one, if you ask someone who works there..I totally understand why they dont have working models on display; people would just stand there endlessly playing with them if they had all working models out there, and, the people waiting behind you to look at the phone might have a long wait just to touch it while you are "checking it out" for 30 minutes....Like I said, just ask an employee to let you try a working one, and they will get one out of the box for you to try...
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every store I have ever been to, that has these static "show" models, will always let you actually try a working one, if you ask someone who works there..I totally understand why they dont have working models on display; people would just stand there endlessly playing with them if they had all working models out there, and, the people waiting behind you to look at the phone might have a long wait just to touch it while you are "checking it out" for 30 minutes....Like I said, just ask an employee to let you try a working one, and they will get one out of the box for you to try...
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Wow that sucks for you guys! here in Florida or in So.Fl at least, all the floor models are working. No dummies models here, and you can load up apps right in the store. I loaded the flash player I posted to make sure it worked cause someone in UK said I didn't in their stock browser and it worked on US note 2. Lucky us lol.
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Wow that sucks for you guys! here in Florida or in So.Fl at least, all the floor models are working. No dummies models here, and you can load up apps right in the store. I loaded the flash player I posted to make sure it worked cause someone in UK said I didn't in their stock browser and it worked on US note 2. Lucky us lol.
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+1 in Indy. Walked into a corporate store and was playing with a S3 even loaded quadrant and antutu on it and tested.
from a galaxy far far away....
wase4711 said:
every store I have ever been to, that has these static "show" models, will always let you actually try a working one, if you ask someone who works there..I totally understand why they dont have working models on display; people would just stand there endlessly playing with them if they had all working models out there, and, the people waiting behind you to look at the phone might have a long wait just to touch it while you are "checking it out" for 30 minutes....Like I said, just ask an employee to let you try a working one, and they will get one out of the box for you to try...
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The one I tried was working, fully. It's that Damn tether it was connected to. Couldn't get whole hand around it flush. That's my complaint.
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I have yet to get my hands on it but after watching numerous videos on YouTube about it, I'm still debating on getting my hands on one or not. I've only had my gnote for about 5 months now and I can't seem to get my mind set on buying one. I'm not good battery change lol
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Got mine ordered yesterday. got it for 444 and only had my note for like 5 or 6 months. I'll sell my note for 350 to 400 and ill only have invested about 50 to the new one. Not bad...
rayandreas said:
Got mine ordered yesterday. got it for 444 and only had my note for like 5 or 6 months. I'll sell my note for 350 to 400 and ill only have invested about 50 to the new one. Not bad...
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Similar story..
AT&T botched an upgrade of mine and they never updated my account that I had used the update.. got my note about 3 weeks ago.. deciding if I want to use the "free" update and pick up a Note 2 and sell this one.. will break even at worse case scenario..
Don't make me get the hose!