I was wondering, if I do root, is there a guarantee that I will get the exclamation point? Or can I avoid it altogether if I root with an official kernel and still get superuser rights? I'd like this explained
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1286432
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or just buy a 3 dollar jig------search jig for samsung galaxy s2
zephus said:
I was wondering, if I do root, is there a guarantee that I will get the exclamation point? Or can I avoid it altogether if I root with an official kernel and still get superuser rights? I'd like this explained
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If you root with Entropy512's stock plus root package, as referenced above, you will completely avoid the yellow triangle and flash count. If you then want to install custom software, ROM and/or Kernel, without invoking the yellow triangle or flash count, you can then install a clockworkmod enabled kernel using either adb from your pc, or Android Terminal Emulator on your phone. You can flash anything from clockworkmod recovery without invoking the yellow triangle or incrementing the flash counter.
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If you root with Entropy512's stock plus root package, as referenced above, you will completely avoid the yellow triangle and flash count. If you then want to install custom software, ROM and/or Kernel, without invoking the yellow triangle or flash count, you can then install a clockworkmod enabled kernel using either adb from your pc, or Android Terminal Emulator on your phone. You can flash anything from clockworkmod recovery without invoking the yellow triangle or incrementing the flash counter.
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Good tip, thx. Question: will Entropy512's "stock plus root package" given permanant root (including /system)... or is SuperOneClick needed for the su files?
DoctorQMM said:
Good tip, thx. Question: will Entropy512's "stock plus root package" given permanant root (including /system)... or is SuperOneClick needed for the su files?
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Permanent root - really all superoneclick does on our devices is use ADB to push su and Superuser.apk to the right locations and then chmod them properly.
So the end result after it is the same thing as having them in the right places to begin with, which is what my prerooted system package does.
Sweet, love the response. Now, one last question to this: if I use entropy stock and rom package and avoid the exclamation mark fully, will I still be marked as a violator of the device warranty?
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zephus said:
Sweet, love the response. Now, one last question to this: if I use entropy stock and rom package and avoid the exclamation mark fully, will I still be marked as a violator of the device warranty?
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if you flash anything other than official samsung/att/kies updates...you have voided your warranty
Well, when I mean marked, I meant is it still possible to stealthily avoid violating it using this method.
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AT&T is EXTREMELY gullible when it comes to sob stories. My bro got new iphones after his got old by saying that it was messed up. I also jailbroke my iphone then broke it when it dropped and I got a new one free of harge
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Hm, then maybe I'll put off rooting for a month or so..
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Well, when I mean marked, I meant is it still possible to stealthily avoid violating it using this method.
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If you flash the unrooted stock image and then do a wipe from stock recovery, it SHOULD be undetectable.
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AT&T is EXTREMELY gullible when it comes to sob stories. My bro got new iphones after his got old by saying that it was messed up. I also jailbroke my iphone then broke it when it dropped and I got a new one free of harge
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Maybe so in the past. Thanks to the abuse from ppl like you, AT&T will now charge you for the full price if they later determined that your phone is not covered by warranty any more due to either abuse or false claims.
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In theory, can i flash clockwork to my.unrooted phone and then flash roms via the.sd card?
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Root isn't required for flashing custom recovery, since it is flashed either through Odin or ADB. I believe any ROM you flash short of the leak will come pre rooted. If you wanted to I guess you could uninstall busy box and super user, but I don't know what would happen
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You need root ability to use the functions within custom roms....I think if you did that,you would end up having a million errors...lol...are you just curious to see if its possible?...or actually wanting to try this?...I wouldn't recommend it...The process of rooting is very easy and unrooting is just as equal....
wish777 said:
You need root ability to use the functions within custom roms....I think if you did that,you would end up having a million errors...lol...are you just curious to see if its possible?...or actually wanting to try this?...I wouldn't recommend it...The process of rooting is very easy and unrooting is just as equal....
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lmao.... Roms are prerooted, all of it is included in the zip. and if it ain't i wouldn't flash anything made by that "dev"
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Root isn't required for flashing custom recovery, since it is flashed either through Odin or ADB. I believe any ROM you flash short of the leak will come pre rooted. If you wanted to I guess you could uninstall busy box and super user, but I don't know what would happen
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You don't need root to flash cwm with Odin, you do however need root to push cwm with adb.
Once you have cwm, all you need to do is wipe and flash the ROM. Like i said above, the ROM is rooted, so when you boot up you'll have root.
The only reason to root before flashing is if you wanted to use titanium backup.
Didn't know that, I avoid ADB for fear of typos, good information to know though, thanks.
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Didn't know that, I avoid ADB for fear of typos, good information to know though, thanks.
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Typos dont work haven't you ever used a command line before?
Eric-1987 said:
Typos dont work haven't you ever used a command line before?
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Thanks but I have been an Linux admin for years.
You are correct. "Some" typos will simply provide an error output. But beware that not all of them do.
Everyone, please be careful what commands you put in.
Eric-1987 said:
Typos dont work haven't you ever used a command line before?
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DOS yes, ADB a while back, I'd just hate to kill my phone and have the wife say "see what happens"
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Eric-1987 said:
Typos dont work haven't you ever used a command line before?
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a nice dd with wrong parameters easily hard-bricks your phone... (ask dsmitty)
Thus, i can use heimdall and flash clockwork, wipe and install a rom? Noob here...just wanted to simplify...THANKS FOR THE HELP!
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would it possible to create an automated script that roots your existing rom like what this genetlemen sfhub has done over there in the ept4g forum...this avoids upping the counter and the birth of the yellow triangle..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342728
or a one click odin..im guessing he took a tar that is completely stock and just added root, everything is basically automated after opening the .exe ...you guys can check that out here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1694695
I brung this to attention so maybe someone could get idea to hopefully bypass upping the counter and the entrance of the yellow doom
Upping the counter isn't really an issue, we have a reset for it, and also a way of flashing CWM without upping it. And once you have CWM, you can flash ROMs without upping the counter. And the yellow triangle isn't doom, it's just a form of download mode where you can still flash back to stock using ODIN and give it another go. The process of rooting is already pretty simple, all it takes is flashing CWM through ODIN and then superuser through CWM. That process is good to learn if you're coming from stock anyways, as it gets you used to using ODIN and CWM. Also, unless you're on stock, the other ROMs are already pre-rooted when you flash them.
Sorry, not trying to rain on your parade, just saying it would be work for a developer that isn't really necessary. Who knows though, maybe if one of them wants it they will build it.
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Being in stock unrooted, coming from that community.. I have knowledge of Odin, but being this is a new device for me.. What would u suggest far as a way to root without raising the counter
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=23004630
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My question is basically what the title asks. Is there any way to reset the Odin counter yet? Apparently Triangle Away does not work yet for Sprint's S3 (but it does work for the international I believe). Does anyone know if chainfire is working on making the AT&T/T-Mobile/Sprint/Verizon versions compatible? Or does anyone know any other ways? I tried using the USB Jig I use for my Epic 4G Touch but it does not work.
And what makes the AT&T variant special that they can avoid tripping the counter?
What?
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that would be cool if they had a reset counter for tmobiles gs3.
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What?
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The AT&T variant has a method to flash a custom recovery without tripping the flash counter. I'm just wondering what's different about that phone that allows this.
wow 2 threads in a row I'm tired of seeing posted...
Here I think this could be of some help.. https://twitter.com/ChainfireXDA. And as he says a few posts back the hardware is completely different between these and the international version. As of now he doesn't know if and when triangle away will be available for us. With that link you'll be the first to know. I'm sure if the counter gets reset he'll be the 1 to do it. And all the methods that don't trip the counter involve installing a rooted system which in itself doesn't trip the counter and then manually flashing tha recovery via adb
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Here I think this could be of some help.. https://twitter.com/ChainfireXDA. And as he says a few posts back the hardware is completely different between these and the international version. As of now he doesn't know if and when triangle away will be available for us. With that link you'll be the first to know. I'm sure if the counter gets reset he'll be the 1 to do it. And all the methods that don't trip the counter involve installing a rooted system which in itself doesn't trip the counter and then manually flashing tha recovery via adb
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Just to clarify: all methods i have seen involve installing a "stock" roms, with root injected, via ODIN. The counter sees these types of roms as an official rom. Flashing anything goes else via ODIN trips the counter. However, once you have root you can use adb or dd in a terminal emulator to load a custom recovery or just load mobile ODIN. You can the use either of these to flash any custom rom without tripping the counter.
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Just to clarify: all methods i have seen involve installing a "stock" roms, with root injected, via ODIN. The counter sees these types of roms as an official rom. Flashing anything goes else via ODIN trips the counter. However, once you have root you can use adb or dd in a terminal emulator to load a custom recovery or just load mobile ODIN. You can the use either of these to flash any custom rom without tripping the counter.
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Yes, this is true. But I guess we all add to our counter initially by flashing CWM through Odin when rooting, which our phone registers as an insecure kernel.
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So why is this not possible on the Sprint S3? Or is it possible now?
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Yes, this is true. But I guess we all add to our counter initially by flashing CWM through Odin when rooting, which our phone registers as an insecure kernel.
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FYI, I'm working on creating this file for T-Mobile GS3. If successful, I might try to create it for other carriers as well but will need help testing the files with the caveat that I might trigger your counter, I might brick your phone, and I might cause your phone to come alive and eat your dog.
I didn't find this forum and the method of rooting without tripping the counter until I had already loaded two roms. I can do an exchange at AT&T for a different color phone for $35 within the next 30 days. Should I get a new phone and start fresh or not worry about it and hope that Chainfire figures out a solution?
Chainfire will most likely find a way to reset it, but I don't think you'd be able to exchange with an activated counter. The counter really doesn't matter unless you want to get your phone replaced or something. Jigs used to help us reset the counter for the S2 even while the phone was off but now jigs don't work and the only way is Triangle Away for the S3
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Chainfire will most likely find a way to reset it, but I don't think you'd be able to exchange with an activated counter. The counter really doesn't matter unless you want to get your phone replaced or something. Jigs used to help us reset the counter for the S2 even while the phone was off but now jigs don't work and the only way is Triangle Away for the S3
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Chainfire said he's probably no longer updating the Triangle Away app any longer. Go see his blog/G+.
So we're sol?
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Does the counter matter if you return your phone to a best buy with their black tie protection?
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I heard BB employees can kill users who have Odin'd their phones. They are ordering special dumpsters to place to bodies of the violators. :angel::angel::angel:
Oh dear,I should've never exchanged my evo lte for this phone!
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Oh dear,I should've never exchanged my evo lte for this phone!
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unless you don't plan to return you phone you don't need to worry. I now I'm not!!!!
iniz94 said:
Yes, this is true. But I guess we all add to our counter initially by flashing CWM through Odin when rooting, which our phone registers as an insecure kernel.
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Hmm I though CWM was flashed through adb not odin? With CWM installed I get a black screen with a unlock symbol and the words "Custom" underneath the lock before the boot-up animation and under setup>phone info>status it has Device Status 'Modified' but nothing about an unsecure kernel.
caguas56 said:
unless you don't plan to return you phone you don't need to worry. I now I'm not!!!!
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I'm more worried about hardware failure like a mess up home button, or something of the sort.
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Hi
I have a SIII, international version. My touch screen is not responding (hardware problem), but is displaying everything. System is working, hard and soft buttons also.
I want to send it in service, BUT, I had it rooted. Found my stock rom from my region, flash it with Odin, got rid of the root but I can't reset the flash counter. I can't install triangle away without touch working.
I don't know either if after flash the usb debugging is on or not, for using ADB (if it works). I am guessing is not.
Any ideas ?
Your supposed to use triangle away before flashing firmware you need root
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Your supposed to use triangle away before flashing firmware you need root
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I know that now. But even if I can use odin + CF to root it again, I still can not use triangle away.
Question, how I get rid of root CW+root after reseting (asuming I'll find a way), flashing again will not increase the counter ?
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I know that now. But even if I can use odin + CF to root it again, I still can not use triangle away.
Question, how I get rid of root CW+root after reseting (asuming I'll find a way), flashing again will not increase the counter ?
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Every flash of custom roms/kernels from your your pc to the phone will raise the flash counter. Only flashes done with/on the phone don`t raise the counter. Unroot it , send it in and cross your fingers. Try doing a factory reset after unrooting. I once sent in a rooted and bricked I9000 and it got repaired under warranty.
FLashing stock firmware will not increase your counter
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FLashing stock firmware will not increase your counter
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Flashing signed stock firmware will not increase your counter
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Flashing signed stock firmware will not increase your counter
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Ok, what about the original problem ? I can root the phone, np, but how to run triangle away on it, without touch working ?
Edit: any other way to enable usb debugging, like from recovery ?
Use a USB-OTG cable and attach a USB mouse to it. Very bad replacement for touchscreens but should get the stuff done
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Use a USB-OTG cable and attach a USB mouse to it. Very bad replacement for touchscreens but should get the stuff done
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Good idea. Thanks.
I just updated to 4.3 and also change my CSC from XEF (France) to SER (Russia) Now I use CF Autoroot to root my phone and then when I tried to check update status via OTA it says that I modified my device.Now after searching google on what to do I end up with Triangle Away I followed all the intructions and whenever I tap on Flash Counter the notification prompts then afterwards nothing happens.
I want to stay on a stock rooted firmware so I do not know what to do. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
STICKYS
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2344125
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2323847
Root equals not OTA as described many times. You need counter 0 and original state which you only get by unrooting as far as I know.
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chrismast said:
Root equals not OTA as described many times. You need counter 0 and original state which you only get by unrooting as far as I know.
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Completely agree with you. Root means it is not stock. The device is modified.
@phaw16 - Every time you will boot into custom recovery, your flash counter will go back to 1. So no point in having or using TriangleAway if you want to stay rooted.
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Root equals not OTA as described many times. You need counter 0 and original state which you only get by unrooting as far as I know.
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Hmm? The question is? How can you use triangle away of you are not rooted?
So you meant you can still use triangle away even if you are not rooted?
Well I dont really care about my warranty all I want is to recieve OTA updates even if my phone is rooted. Thats the main reason why I want my device status to be stock..
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phaw16 said:
Hmm? The question is? How can you use triangle away of you are not rooted?
So you meant you can still use triangle away even if you are not rooted?
Well I dont really care about my warranty all I want is to recieve OTA updates even if my phone is rooted. Thats the main reason why I want my device status to be stock..
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As far as i know if you're using Custom Recovery. Flash counter would always be 1. Try using Stock Recovery and reset it again.It would go to 0. As far as OTA im not sure i never use it before.
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As far as i know if you're using Custom Recovery. Flash counter would always be 1. Try using Stock Recovery and reset it again.It would go to 0. As far as OTA im not sure i never use it before.
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that depends on the bootloader version. If it is still an old on (I think JB) the counter will stay 0 even if rooted and rebooted. If its a newer version (ICS) and you use a custom recovery, it will be increased to 1 with each reboot.
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phaw16 said:
Hmm? The question is? How can you use triangle away of you are not rooted?
So you meant you can still use triangle away even if you are not rooted?
Well I dont really care about my warranty all I want is to recieve OTA updates even if my phone is rooted. Thats the main reason why I want my device status to be stock..
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as said, OTA & root is not possible. You can update a rooted device via Kies though (you will loose root when update is applied).
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As far as i know if you're using Custom Recovery. Flash counter would always be 1. Try using Stock Recovery and reset it again.It would go to 0. As far as OTA im not sure i never use it before.
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Sorry to disappoint you sir but I was able to flash stock firmware 4.3 then flash CF Autoroot while the phone is on official status. If you install busybox or other recovery and kernels thats the only time your phone will detect it as custom. I also downloaded root protection app for google play so that when I recieve ota update I wont lose root
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In triangle away there is an option under system to allow trackers to run.
This in some cases can get rid of the modified state in the about phone part.
I tried it and it worked for me while I was on samsung