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Now that I have my view rooted I was hoping honeycomb could be a potential custom rom for it..has anyone any info on this
Well, porting is not that easy. The best place to start would be the Nook Color's Honeycomb port, the screens of the devices are same. Unfortunately, the Flyer is a brickable device, so you can't play around with it being careless. The Nook can boot an sd card, so the Nook is un-brickable. So I would wait. Wait for HTC to update it, Honeycomb is laggy anyways.
So if the flyer is brickable so is the view?....im just looking for an update for the view's current rom maybe a better bluetooth more compatable apps...
Yeah, they are brickable. I'm not a experienced dev like nickberli and i00, and have never cooked a ROM. So I'm afraid to try porting.
Well i hope someone tries ...waiting for sprint to do it would take ages
The code to Honeycomb is not open source, it will be very hard for someone to port it to the Flyer. Since the code to Honeycomb has not been released, it is not like other android releases where people can compile it for devices which the manufacturer has not bothered to make a release for. You will probably never see Honeycomb on the Flyer, IceCream is the Google intended release for devices like the Flyer.
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The code to Honeycomb is not open source, it will be very hard for someone to port it to the Flyer. Since the code to Honeycomb has not been released, it is not like other android releases where people can compile it for devices which the manufacturer has not bothered to make a release for. You will probably never see Honeycomb on the Flyer, IceCream is the Google intended release for devices like the Flyer.
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icecream? we will never see an official version of icecream on the flyer. We'd be lucky if HTC gives us the upgrade to gingerbread 3.0. They've already got out what, 3.2 on the xoom?
Everyone needs to find there share, HTC has to modify it for our device, then they flip it over to sprint and then they modify it add their tweaks in, then they do a testing phase, etc.
I'm starting to assume that HTC and/or sprint is just about to say screw it and not upgrade out device.
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icecream? we will never see an official version of icecream on the flyer. We'd be lucky if HTC gives us the upgrade to gingerbread 3.0. They've already got out what, 3.2 on the xoom?
Everyone needs to find there share, HTC has to modify it for our device, then they flip it over to sprint and then they modify it add their tweaks in, then they do a testing phase, etc.
I'm starting to assume that HTC and/or sprint is just about to say screw it and not upgrade out device.
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Gingerbread is NOT 3.0. The Flyer is too new to be EOLed before ICS.
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Gingerbread is NOT 3.0. The Flyer is too new to be EOLed before ICS.
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correct honeycomb is 3.x.x and gingerbread is 2.x.x
HTC flyer SDK supported both honeycomb and gingerbread. So...
Any idea on how to setup the HTC Flyer SDK on Mac? When I load up device "HTC Flyer" with HTC tab extension as the target, it boots into AOSP Froyo.
Which SDK? Link? Are you referring to the OpenSense SDK? I don't believe that is Flyer specific, so I would not base any conclusions on that.
Couldn't we just port the Puccini version of honeycomb? I realize its difficult to do bc the view is brickable. Just putting it out there.
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Couldn't we just port the Puccini version of honeycomb? I realize its difficult to do bc the view is brickable. Just putting it out there.
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The Puccini is 10" or something with a 1200 x 800 res if I recall. It would take a lot of resizing. Better wait for HTC to do it.
That's not an answer. Who here with some dev knowledge has some insight on this?
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That's not an answer. Who here with some dev knowledge has some insight on this?
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I've got a bad feeling we might never see honeycomb...its been months now and they've been silent about honeycomb...i really think (and hope not) that they've just given up on honeycomb and dedicated all there time to the puccino.
Has there been any leaked files of the puccino yet were we could start porting?
I think Honeycomb is to laggy and not worth putting on this device. Let's wait for ICS...
I'm pretty sure that we get a puccini port running on the flyer
Is there already a leaked version?
I am wondering given that this device just got honeycomb.. is there any chance of it getting ICS?
Part of the reason I'm wondering is because I am getting my flyer sometime between the 10th and the 17th coming up according to the "estimated delivery date" when I hit buy.
I have had ICS on my captivate before I ever even got to play with Honeycomb.. my mom got the transformer yesterday.. and there are a few minor quirks with honeycomb that I really don't like.. major example being if you pull up the task manager in ICS you can remove windows and close out the programs.. Honeycomb will pull up windows that aren't open.. and it gets cluttered fast if your done with something and seeing 5 or more windows you don't want open, but can't get rid of..
no sign of ICS anytime soon but maybe if kernel source is released and CM9 development someone will port it here. In regards to the task management, yes it can get cluttered but it is better than not having it at all like gingerbread
I'm hoping they'll have the decency to update us or at least release the source code required...
IANAL, but I believe HTC legally has to release the kernel source for anything it releases. If they never release ICS, we may never get a kernel for ICS.
Honeycomb kernel might work, but I'm not sure if HTC is legally required to release honeycomb kernel source.
As far as I am aware, they did/may have use some proprietary software which would screw up our porting efforts.
So it becomes an issue of "will they" and that is what I am wondering.
Personally I don't think we will ever see ICS on the Flyer. Here are my reasons:
1. Not a lot of Flyers were sold so there is not a large user base. Thus, there is not much developer interest.
2. Sense - From what I understand from what developers have said, the kernels that HTC makes are made to work with Sense and will not work with an AOSP build.
These two things combine to make bringing ICS to the Flyer difficult and there is no one around who appears willing to do it.
I really hope that I am wrong about this but I don't think that I am.
Someone want to educate a noob?
How is it that several other devices (including HTC ones, like the Sensation) are getting ICS ports, but the Flyer/View can't? I mean, it seems unlikely that HTC released AOSP kernel sources for other devices, and even if they did, they're certainly not ICS kernels. Why is it so important for us to have an AOSP kernel (and an ICS one, at that) from HTC in order to get CM on the Flyer/View?
Oh, and then there's devices that didn't even have Android like the TouchPad, and devices that don't have their source code released, like the Kindle Fire.
I'm definitely not a developer, so I'm sure there's something I'm missing...I'm just trying to figure out what it is.
I'm repeating what developers told me or wrote here. I don't know if it is right or wrong.
I think the bottom line is that it is easier to have an AOSP kernel.
I think you can build your own kernel but that is much more work and maybe a hard thing to do.
All of the custom ROMs that we have seen for the Flyer are just modified HTC ROMs that come with certain software preinstalled or other kinds of enhancements.
More popular devices have much more developer interest. I would imagine that some less popular device owners get lucky because some developer also owns the device and is willing to spend the time.
So far, one developer said he would try to bring ICS to Flyer. He tried but gave up because of kernel issues. I don't get the impression that he did too much but at least he gave it a go. No other developer has said anything one way or the other.
I'm not holding my breath..
but, I definitely won't give up hope just yet..
The most likely path would be a port of another HTC device that uses the same processor or very similar. SO when some of the other HTC devices are released with ICS around March or so, we might see some goodness, depends on how close the hardware is and if HTC releases some source code.
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The most likely path would be a port of another HTC device that uses the same processor or very similar. SO when some of the other HTC devices are released with ICS around March or so, we might see some goodness, depends on how close the hardware is and if HTC releases some source code.
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Makes sense to me.
Shame this device hasn't received more attention.
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The most likely path would be a port of another HTC device that uses the same processor or very similar. SO when some of the other HTC devices are released with ICS around March or so, we might see some goodness, depends on how close the hardware is and if HTC releases some source code.
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This is correct and likely the only way we see ICS in a timely manner.
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https://plus.google.com/105502178297258827378/posts/PxQ6cVjVdUd
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https://plus.google.com/105502178297258827378/posts/PxQ6cVjVdUd
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He's been debunked several times.
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So I guess the big question as far as an official update goes.. is how much effort would HTC have to put out in order to do the upgrade...
And will it be worth it for them to do so..
I guess the pen is the biggest issue prevent the ICS update
Since it only works in Sense ROM, so even we have a perfect CM9, the pen function is wasted
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I guess the pen is the biggest issue prevent the ICS update
Since it only works in Sense ROM, so even we have a perfect CM9, the pen function is wasted
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Would it be possible to take the pen code from honeycomb and implement it in CM9?
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I guess the pen is the biggest issue prevent the ICS update
Since it only works in Sense ROM, so even we have a perfect CM9, the pen function is wasted
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I'd be content with an AOSP rom now, with the pen worked in later.
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We will see... if any devs are willing, I am sure as heck willing to help and take a crack at it myself..
You can't do AOSP without HTC's help for the kernel and drivers and since HTC only does sense kernels I'm thinking that's not going to happen. I still think a port of an HTC ICS ROM from another device is the most likely path, unless HTC is feeling exceptionally benevolent toward the Flyer. Perhaps the Jetstream tablet will get ICS and that can be ported...
EDIT: information below is obsolete. Please check the last few pages of the topic for recent development progress.
What is known:
Jetstream uses MSM8x60 processor (is this same as msm8660?)
What we need to know:
What GPU.
Other similar HTC devices running on the MSM8x60.
Stable and most developed kernel compiled from source.
Stable HC Rom for donor Rom.
Bluetooth SoC
WiFi SoC
GPS SoC
HC kernel source base address (if I compile my own kernel from HC sources)
More useful info you guys can come up with.
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I am from the HTC Flyer forums, and am interested in getting ICS onto the Jetstream, although I don't have the device myself. For now this thread will serve as a base for discussing about ICS, until the actual development can start.
This thread is NOT for saying thanks 'little guy', hopes, general ranting about HTC or flamefights.
I need some pieces of info now, so that we can start doing stuff. I need some good internet trawlers for this to work,so anyone who can help please do, as I have time constraints due to developing for the Flyer all while having to stay at the top of my class.
Options in getting ICS:
Porting (preffered for now)
Building from Source
I prefer porting for now as building from source will be difficult as a GB kernel source is not present unlike the Flyer.
What I know:
Jetstream uses MSM8x60 processor (is this same as msm8660?)
What I need to know:
What GPU.
Other similar HTC devices running on the MSM8x60.
Stable and most developed kernel compiled from source.
Stable HC Rom for donor Rom.
Bluetooth SoC
WiFi SoC
GPS SoC
HC kernel source base address (if I compile my own kernel from HC sources)
More useful info you guys can come up with.
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Hi,
Nice to see you get started. Well this is what I could gather.
1. Msm8x60 processor is a series of processors which has variants - Msm8260 and msm8660. Jetstream uses a variant called APQ8060. It's used by HTC Vivid, Samsung Galaxy Tab LTE, SGS II (SGH T989), HP Touchpad, Samsung Galaxy S Blaze 4G, LG Nitro HD, Le Pan II.
2. It's using an Adreno 220 GPU as far as I could gather
3. DoomKernel is the only kernel I gather out here. It works well but some users have faced glitches on it with the overclocking and voltage changing settings.
4. I feel galaxy task 650 v2 is the most stable rom-I did face problems with v3. Osimood also seems to work well but haven't had more than 3 days with it running so can't comment on stability.
5. The kernel source base addresses I think were posted elsewhere. Will check and get back.
6. I don't know how to check out the SoC things. If you can direct me what I must do to check them, I will and get back asap. Even the kernel source base address if any way I can check, do guide and it will be done.
If any of the above information is wrong, I am sorry and will try to correct it as soon as I learn of the mistake.
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The HTC Vivid, seems to have exactly all same internal component, expect the screen resolution and the stylus
And ICS is also available for it.
While doing some research about phones, came across an interesting fact. The HTC One S has very very similar specs as the Jetstream. It runs on a Qualcomm MSM8260A Snapdragon processor and runs GPU of 225 Adreno. I think only the GPU is different as Jetstream is on the Adreno 220 GPU. Could this be useful in helping us port ICS to the Jetstream? Of course, no pen and screen resolution vary - else they seem very similar.
OK, I've checked out the Vivid and know about the One S, but for now, I am going with a Vivid ROM. As I don't have a Jetstream, I'll be needing a someone's Ubuntu box (someone who has developed/cooked etc. before hopefully) with Remote Access and the Jetstream connected via usb.
I need the following specs on your computer(if anyone is willing):
Atleast Dual-Core CPU (Quad-Core preferred)
Atleast 2GB RAM
About 5 GB of free space
Ubuntu 64bit (12.04 preffered)
Cross-compile toolchain installed(but OK if you don't have it)
Minimum 1MB/s Internet speed
Unlimited Internet usage preferred, but 2GB usage reqd. minimum
Jetstream attached via USB
If you guys do have a computer matching these specs, PM me or write here. Hopefully we will be able to get something out of it.
I would definitely offer but I don't have a pc to match even the minimum config. You planning on getting a Jetstream by any chance?
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Sorry!
kailashpchhabria said:
I would definitely offer but I don't have a pc to match even the minimum config. You planning on getting a Jetstream by any chance?
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Thanks for your offer, what PC specs. do you have?
I don't want to get a Jetstream ATM, and the Jetstream doesn't seem to be a popular device (almost no replies on this thread, no bounty,etc) and I can only get a Jetstream if someone gifts/sends/etc. it to me.
mhkabir98 said:
Thanks for your offer, what PC specs. do you have?
I don't want to get a Jetstream ATM, and the Jetstream doesn't seem to be a popular device (almost no replies on this thread, no bounty,etc) and I can only get a Jetstream if someone gifts/sends/etc. it to me.
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Can't blame you for not wanting to get one, but there is a bounty out for ICS as is listed here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1656914.
mhkabir98 said:
Thanks for your offer, what PC specs. do you have?
I don't want to get a Jetstream ATM, and the Jetstream doesn't seem to be a popular device (almost no replies on this thread, no bounty,etc) and I can only get a Jetstream if someone gifts/sends/etc. it to me.
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Mine is a P4 3Ghz, 2GB RAM, WinXP. I guess Ubuntu will work but will have to get it. Hard disk and internet not a problem.
And the ICS bounty has reached a $350 mark. You get a refurbished Jestream for $299.99 at http://www.all4cellular.com/product/htc-jetstream-32gb-refurbished.html if you interested in taking up the bounty. They send it with a shiping charge of $41 off. In all comes to $341.54. So you interested? Also, only drawback from that site is no scribe pen-but as you have a Flyer, the same pen will work.
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Mine is a P4 3Ghz, 2GB RAM, WinXP. I guess Ubuntu will work but will have to get it. Hard disk and internet not a problem.
And the ICS bounty has reached a $350 mark. You get a refurbished Jestream for $299.99 at http://www.all4cellular.com/product/htc-jetstream-32gb-refurbished.html if you interested in taking up the bounty. They send it with a shiping charge of $41 off. In all comes to $341.54. So you interested? Also, only drawback from that site is no scribe pen-but as you have a Flyer, the same pen will work.
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Thanks for the advice. If you people want me to carry on the work, someone will need to collect the bounty, buy the Jetstream and ship it to my address as I am a tad inconvenienced without PayPal,etc. being 13 and all.
Also, I'll feel bad if I do get the Jetstream and can't manage to get ICS on it, as its a long and complex process, and end up disappointing you guys or something like Drew Garen in the Flyer forums who got a free Flyer and was in fact a scammer.
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Thanks for the advice. If you people want me to carry on the work, someone will need to collect the bounty, buy the Jetstream and ship it to my address as I am a tad inconvenienced without PayPal,etc. being 13 and all.
Also, I'll feel bad if I do get the Jetstream and can't manage to get ICS on it, as its a long and complex process, and end up disappointing you guys or something like Drew Garen in the Flyer forums who got a free Flyer and was in fact a scammer.
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Oh ok. I will do 1 thing. If you don't get someone by the 24th, I will try arranging for something for the system. I got an exam on 24th and after that I would be able to spare time and try getting something set up for you. Hope that would be acceptable. If someone else can do it before that well and good. Regarding bounty etc, if you get it working on the Jetstream, then perhaps someone would be able to do it for you. I just realised that there is post saying bouty would be given after ics is working.
Another question if you don't.mind. a user has a S-OFF device. I was wondering if we could use his device as a model and try getting s off for the others? Because in my understanding, having s off would be an advantage and it would surely speed things up for development. Would such a thing be possible.
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kailashpchhabria said:
Oh ok. I will do 1 thing. If you don't get someone by the 24th, I will try arranging for something for the system. I got an exam on 24th and after that I would be able to spare time and try getting something set up for you. Hope that would be acceptable. If someone else can do it before that well and good. Regarding bounty etc, if you get it working on the Jetstream, then perhaps someone would be able to do it for you. I just realised that there is post saying bouty would be given after ics is working.
Another question if you don't.mind. a user has a S-OFF device. I was wondering if we could use his device as a model and try getting s off for the others? Because in my understanding, having s off would be an advantage and it would surely speed things up for development. Would such a thing be possible.
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Thanks! Hopefully you can get me the Jetstream. I don't need the bounty/donation or anything, just the device.
About the S-OFF device, that guy doesn't have it anymore,though it would help for ICS . A ENG Hboot or factory S-OFF is not very useful for getting S-OFF on factory locked devices, except for perhaps hard flashing(JTAG) the hboots onto the target device.
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Not being over enthusiastic, but a SIM unlocked device would be preffered.
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mhkabir98 said:
Thanks! Hopefully you can get me the Jetstream. I don't need the bounty/donation or anything, just the device.
About the S-OFF device, that guy doesn't have it anymore,though it would help for ICS . A ENG Hboot or factory S-OFF is not very useful for getting S-OFF on factory locked devices, except for perhaps hard flashing(JTAG) the hboots onto the target device.
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I know he does have it. Had PMed him a while back and he did. Will confirm in any case still. Also, my Jetstream is sim unlocked. And I meant that I will be able to set up the system with the uplink and stuff after the 14th - just in case you misunderstood that i will be able to get you a device without the bounty-sorry. The bounty will cover a device for you if you manage to get ics running on the jetstream.
Will PM the guy with an S-OFF device and get back to you with that.
Development started!
So not to get your hopes up or anything but, development has started!
I provided mhkabir98 de needed Ubuntu box, and unlock jetstream.
We are currently trying to port a Vivid ICS rom to the Jetstream and get it booting using Doomlord's kernel.
AS I said, don't get your hopes up this is VERY early stage..
But mhkabir98 seems capable enough with his Flyer ICS rom.
And the ubuntu box + jetstream are good enough
Great news! Just saw an ics asus today..got me jealous.
Just one request if I may, the doomlord kernel is known as problematic, for some of us it crashes the device. If its possible, I would ask to avoid using it, or trying to fix the known issues.
Hopefully this will go well. Goodluck, and thanks.
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So excited to see this! I hope this works out!!! I do agree on the Kernel. I'm currently running latest Task with stock kernel and works very well. Hope I can still use that kernel.
We are first trying to get it to boot,
After this we will focus on getting everything else to work,
When everything works we will try to get it as stable as possible
We are first trying the DooMLord kernel, and if that works we will ofcourse also try the Stock kernel.
We can't say for sure if everything will work out as we intend, but we will try our bests, it's my first time at rom building so pklease have patience.
Thanks for your co-operation!
If you can't get it done, I'll have a look at it after the holidays. I did bring ICS to the HTC Flyer as well (pure AOSP), I think this one should be easy to do
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If you can't get it done, I'll have a look at it after the holidays. I did bring ICS to the HTC Flyer as well (pure AOSP), I think this one should be easy to do
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That would be really really amazing. Any help always welcome/
And can't wait for your ICS Flyer ROM either.
Hello All,
As you all know I've been part of Xda and assiting in a positive resolution from HTC in requests from Bootloaders to source codes. Well seeing we have a great device that seemed to be given EOL to early in its game.. in my opinion due to lack of marketing skills. Well I will be posting in HTC FB to get our voice out to them for the Source Code release for our device.
Please comment "Like" and comment to request this so we can continue development for the Flyer.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151213297764443&set=o.165420456859572&type=1&ref=nf
And Here:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151213304969443&set=o.101063233083&type=1&relevant_count=1
Um, source code of what? They release sources of Honeycomb, and there are no sources of ICS or Jelly Bean, so what's the whole point?
Source code for drivers which can be ported to ICS and JB. Anyway it helps coders make their own drivers for Camera/Front camera and for video
kayoma said:
Source code for drivers which can be ported to ICS and JB. Anyway it helps coders make their own drivers for Camera/Front camera and for video
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Then we would need not just the drivers, but the whole 3.x kernel. I believe it's much harder to adapt ICS/JB drivers to GB/HC kernels
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Source code for drivers which can be ported to ICS and JB. Anyway it helps coders make their own drivers for Camera/Front camera and for video
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Then we're asking the wrong ppl, it's not HTC. to understand this first you need to understand what makes up a ROM.
There is the kernel which is low level device specific, the kernel is mostly based on open source linux code, htc adds some board and device specific configuration on top of that.
Then there is the aosp which is also open source, an operating system provided by google that makes up most part of any ROM.
Then you have your aosp derivative like CM or AOKP, which provides board specific fixes and some customization. HTC's ROM is also based on aosp, but they add their own sense look and feel to it.
And finally and most importantly you have your close source proprietary drivers provided by chip manufactures like Qualcomm and TI. They control cameras, wifi, BT...etc. So in reality there is very little HTC could do as they don't have the rights to release these code. And that's is where most ppl run into issues.
So to create a ROM is not hard at all, anybody can download the source code and compile it to generate a ROM as most of the source code are all open source. What will be helpful is if Qualcomm releases the source code for their drivers, which I doubt they will ever do, otherwise they wouldn't be close source in the first place. The only thing we could do is try to reverse engineer the device base on logs and understanding of how each component should work and make educated guesses.
Due to HTC lack of effort on this device (No ICS - HC was slow joke) I will never buy another HTC product again, same goes for sony, though they did eventually update xperia x10i it was only due to huge pressure not because they wanted to.
I want to buy an electronic product that potentially remains relevant at least a year later otherwise forget it.
so i sent this letter to HTC
after reading this page where HTC discusses 4.1 upgrades i decided to drop them a line "
DIRECTLY FROM YOUR WEBSITE:
When will additional devices receive Android 4.1?
In addition to the HTC One X and HTC One S, we are actively reviewing our product portfolio to identify candidates to receive Jelly Bean. Our goal is to prioritize review for devices launched in 2012 with our numerous carrier partners across multiple regions and then consider our ability to provide updates to products from 2011.
What devices will not get Android 4.1?
We work hard to ensure each of our products has the optimal user experience and therefore some products will remain at their current version of Android. In general, devices with 512MB RAM or less will not be upgraded to Android 4.1. At present, these devices include the HTC One V and the HTC Desire C. As we identify other devices that will not be upgraded, we'll provide updated information.
What about a development version of Android 4.1?
For our developer community, we plan to make generic development ROMs of Jelly Bean available for both the HTC One X and HTC One S. As soon as the ROMs are ready, they will be posted to our HTCdev site (www.htcdev.com). We strongly recommend customers take the time to understand the limitations of the development software along with the terms and conditions on the site before downloading to their device.
REALLY!? have you listened to what your customers have asked/said about the HTC flyer at all?! where is OUR 4.1 DEVELOPMENT ROM! wtf! where are you for us!? I can tell you where... you are giving us 3.2 HC that takes away two very important features i bought the device for #1 GPS! completely broken by your newest update to HC. #2. Hardware Keys.... WHY?! i understand that HC introduced soft keys. so you say you "We work hard to ensure each of our products has the optimal user experience" BULL! you clearly weren't thinking about the end user when you pushed out that HC update for the flyer. Would have been smarter for you to leave us on working GB and go straight to ICS or JB when it was ready! this is lunacy! who ever is making decisions in your company needs fired. you are bleeding money from everywhere. why don't you bring it back to the old school HTC that CARED! ABOUT! IT'S CUSTOMERS! listen to what we are saying! hear our voice! we have signed petitions. we have pleaded on multiple forums. WE have poured over your FB and twitter pages asking for you to throw us a freaking bone here.... when is it gonna happen? ever?!
I still have my flyer and i love it dearly. but without updates it's falling behind the pack. I recently bought a 10.1 galaxy note. while i'm happy with it's speed and what not. it's not the form factor i want. which is what the flyer is for me. perfect. PLEASE DON'T GIVE UP ON US OR THIS DEVICE! PLEASE RELEASE A DEVELOPER ROM FOR OUR FLYER! "
this was their reply (you will want to read it for sure)
Dear Matt,
Thanks for contacting HTC!
We completely understand your concern and I thank you for your patience and am deeply sorry if this issue has caused you any dissatisfaction with HTC or its phones. I hope that it will not detract from your overall perspective of the device or the company. You are the most important part of the HTC Family.
We listen to our community and feedbacks like yours are the ones that make us revise our decisions, and try to find the correct balance between the device’s performance and usability. We cannot announce or say anything about the Flyer right now but what I can tell you is that we are, indeed, paying attention to the community´s feedback and opinions.
Should you require further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us through http://www.htc.com/us/support/email-support or call us at +1-866-449-8358 from 6AM to 1AM EST, 7 days a week.
Have a great day!
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Carlos
HTC
I appreciate the passion here, but HTC left this device for dead along with the Jetstream and View shortly after releasing it. We received what would amounted to a Beta of Honeycomb then they closed up shop. You live and learn, and although I still use my Flyer and enjoy it I will not buy another HTC device
I completely agree with you .. HTC should give us ICS or JB for our Flyer as a good faith. We must keep GB because honeycomb is a joke..
I use my Flyer and i try as much as possible with the optimized news on GB .. and share with you.
Hoping for a good action on their part for JB!!
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Then we would need not just the drivers, but the whole 3.x kernel. I believe it's much harder to adapt ICS/JB drivers to GB/HC kernels
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so the kernel source for HC 3.2 that's in HTCDev,,that is NOT the entire kernel sourcecode?
i know it's an old thread but i am wondering...
gersto said:
so the kernel source for HC 3.2 that's in HTCDev,,that is NOT the entire kernel sourcecode?
i know it's an old thread but i am wondering...
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that the honeycomb kernel .
doesn't do you much good for ICS or JB
yncconsulting said:
Then we're asking the wrong ppl, it's not HTC. to understand this first you need to understand what makes up a ROM.
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You didn't understand I think. The drivers are part of the kernel. May they be compiled into the kernel itself or in form of modules. Drivers can be binary objects to be linked (already compiled) or source code which will be compiled when the kernel is built.
If you have the drivers source code there is a fairly good chance to get them running in newer kernels with some minor changes.
So from my point of view you will have a good chance to even get 4.2 up and running as long as you have the drivers source code.
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ktp1976 said:
You didn't understand I think. The drivers are part of the kernel. May they be compiled into the kernel itself or in form of modules. Drivers can be binary objects to be linked (already compiled) or source code which will be compiled when the kernel is built.
If you have the drivers source code there is a fairly good chance to get them running in newer kernels with some minor changes.
So from my point of view you will have a good chance to even get 4.2 up and running as long as you have the drivers source code.
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yeah, so my point is HTC publishes kernel source code, not drivers, they don't even own some of the drivers .,so you will never get that. You get a HC kernel ,that works with a HC blob set and you cannot build a working 4.xx kernel because you don;t have a 4.xxx blob set and HTC won't give you one because they have never written one and never will
DigitalMD said:
that the honeycomb kernel .
doesn't do you much good for ICS or JB
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well they must be of some good since we have ICS/JB ROMs out there that are "mostly" complete, slick and usable, although slightly buggy, so obviously yeah i get that it doesn't solve all the issues we have, since some drivers are missing: as evident by the non-working FC, no hardware decoding for video, and semi-working BT
DigitalMD said:
yeah, so my point is HTC publishes kernel source code, not drivers, they don't even own some of the drivers .,so you will never get that. You get a HC kernel ,that works with a HC blob set and you cannot build a working 4.xx kernel because you don;t have a 4.xxx blob set and HTC won't give you one because they have never written one and never will
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Not exactly. The kernel is also part of AOSP. And even if HTC does not supply the driver sources there is a slight chance to use old driver binaries or to have them reverse engineered by some genius dev. Hope is the last to die
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ktp1976 said:
Not exactly. The kernel is also part of AOSP. And even if HTC does not supply the driver sources there is a slight chance to use old driver binaries or to have them reverse engineered by some genius dev. Hope is the last to die
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Keep dreaming. Some of the best around have tried that path.
No the device kernel is not in AOSP, the base linux (ANdorid) kernel source resides there, but if you look at the build, it calls in device , vendor, OS verson and board specific components to make a complete build. All that hooks into the blobs (drivers and libs) to make up the device specific environment that allows Android version X.XX to run
DigitalMD said:
Keep dreaming. Some of the best around have tried that path.
No the device kernel is not in AOSP, the base linux (ANdorid) kernel source resides there, but if you look at the build, it calls in device , vendor, OS verson and board specific components to make a complete build. All that hooks into the blobs (drivers and libs) to make up the device specific environment that allows Android version X.XX to run
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Thanks for clarification. So I was not wrong about the drivers, which are the device and vendor specific components. In other words if you can get the vendor to release their sources or make their chip/board manufacturers to release their sources is the only way to go. Seems a bit unrealistic though but who knows...
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All should email the HTCDev
Use this link http://www.htcdev.com/contact
They themselves posted on that link
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151213304969443&set=o.101063233083&type=1&relevant_count=1
Takes just f**kin 5 seconds
May be they will listen some day
freworld said:
All should email the HTCDev
Use this link http://www.htcdev.com/contact
They themselves posted on that link
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151213304969443&set=o.101063233083&type=1&relevant_count=1
Takes just f**kin 5 seconds
May be they will listen some day
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+1
Hello, first post
Now I have an HTC flyer and that means I am stuck with HC firmware or perhaps maybe GB.
There are a lot of fully functional customized HC ROMS out there, however when it comes to ICS or JB
most of them are buggy and never fully functional.
I am not a developer so I don't think that I have the right to criticize, however from what I see
many developer start an ICS or JB Flyer ROM and than just leave it.
It would be great if you people create some sort of a joint effort and make one stable and functional rom for the flyer.
Some would say just leave the flyer and buy yourself a Nexus or whatever but the thing is there are countries in this world where we can;t afford to just give up on a device and spend money on another one.
So what I would like to have is either an ICS or JB ROM where everything would be functional, however I could live without:
(and these are features that are already not working on the present ICS/JB roms)
-bluetooth
-front camera
-youtube HD (but only HD if regular youtube is missing is not OK)
-videorecorder (however this would be disappointing)
But It wold be awesome if Phone is implemented and Pen (Quill is acceptable also)
So far best ICS ROMS are Yetki (where only problem I had was that wi-fi was not functioning even with manual flashing of the boot.img)
Also another new ROM is this one NexusFlyer in this ROM everything works (except for the above features) but I am not sure if there's a Phone function and the screen rotating is buggy.
So what are you willing to donate towards the developers' efforts? The "you people" in question have lives and families and jobs that require their attention on a daily basis. These ROMs are hobbies for them.
Their works are just voluntaty works.
They don't have any obligation to make roms for us.
They've already done and are doing many things for us, more than HTC
I understand it's a voluntary work and a hobby for most of them, but since they are already doing it, how abot making something that truly benefits people.
HTC has done a horrible job when it comes to the flyer and now we're either stuck woth HC albeit slightly modified, or waiting for the developer community to make something usefull.
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Pick up a book and figure it out yourself
Flyer
mcord11758 said:
Pick up a book and figure it out yourself
Flyer
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Ha Ha Ha
I actually wouldn't mind learning how to create a JB or ICS, stable, ROM for the View and Flyer, since there really isn't any. At least for myself.
Where would one start reading?
lets hear from them
DatacomGuy said:
I actually wouldn't mind learning how to create a JB or ICS, stable, ROM for the View and Flyer, since there really isn't any. At least for myself.
Where would one start reading?
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Me also waiting for a useful reply, regarding that.
eastway11 said:
Their works are just voluntaty works.
They don't have any obligation to make roms for us.
They've already done and are doing many things for us, more than HTC
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agree, they do more than htc, it seems like htc forgot that they have made tablet quite disappointed since they have made great tablet realy
Hi I'm newbie posting in here.. Did you already try new ROM ICS that call Yetki..? I have issue for phone function after use this ROM, mic and speaker can't working. Maybe something missing, because I can't find any details whats function didn't work at this ROM.
Please help.. because I like this ROM, smooth, fast and nice to customs again.
Sorry I'm posting in this thread, because I can't posting at development sub-forum.
ADTist said:
Hi I'm newbie posting in here.. Did you already try new ROM ICS that call Yetki..? I have issue for phone function after use this ROM, mic and speaker can't working. Maybe something missing, because I can't find any details whats function didn't work at this ROM.
Please help.. because I like this ROM, smooth, fast and nice to customs again.
Sorry I'm posting in this thread, because I can't posting at development sub-forum.
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Honestly I don;t remember but I think that my phone worked OK, although I didn;t really tested all that well, because
WI-FI wasn' working on my tablet.
There will be an update to the Yetki tommorow (friday) or the next day. From what I saw on the thread
mic/sound issues will be addressed in the update.
silfiriel said:
I understand it's a voluntary work and a hobby for most of them,
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Just stop right there. If the devs want to stop developing a ROM, that's their choice. You think what they have done has not truly benefited the people?
It has benefited people no doubt aboit it. Just not in this case, when it comes to the flyer they did better than HTC but I don't see any benefit in using any ICS based Flyer rom, rather than a HC custom rom.
It's complicated simce the Flyer has the scribe technology built in, notes, the e-book reader where you can scribble just like on real paper, front camera, back camera, I understand that it's complicated and maybe it takes time maybe it can not be done.
I don't understand what's with all this negative interpretation of my post, it should be an incentive that we are here we use this device and we would like to see it better.
Also I am not asking the developers to waste time on something useless, I don't need yet another partialy functional ROM, just stop right there say 'we can't do it,it's impossible' and move on to something that will perhaps benefit someone else, some other device. They are developers, it's what they do.
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silfiriel said:
Honestly I don;t remember but I think that my phone worked OK, although I didn;t really tested all that well, because
WI-FI wasn' working on my tablet.
There will be an update to the Yetki tommorow (friday) or the next day. From what I saw on the thread
mic/sound issues will be addressed in the update.
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thx for u'r answer, that different with my tablet, Wi-fi and tethering working fine.
yups.. I be waiting for the update, hope today he update this ROM.
Hey, we are not their employer or their customer.
Whether they stop the development, move to other device or etc., it is just their choice.
If they think something is important, they try to do their best to make it work.(Actually, they do now.)
You don't see any benefit on their ICS rom? Just go back HC or give some useful feedback to them.
using :
HTC Flyer ICS yetki
HTC Desire MIUI ICS
It looks like Yetki is getting an update reały soon as in it only needs to be uploaded and shared, can't wait to test it! I loved it even the first time except wi-fi wasn't working, hoping theu will fix it in the update
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freworld said:
Me also waiting for a useful reply, regarding that.
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IF you really want to develop ICS /JB fully functional ROMs for the HTC Flyer , start by learning how to build the kernel. What we are missing right now is a JB kernel for the Flyer, once that is done, its possible to begin CM10 and other variants of JB. However, be aware that building the kernel and the libs (drivers) for HTC devices can be difficult because not everything is open source.
We can't all be developers, I don't think learning how to build ROMs is as easy as the last few comments made it look. I am assuming some programmers would have a hard time doing so if they haven't had any experience into it let alone ppl that don't code. :/
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silfiriel said:
It looks like Yetki is getting an update reały soon as in it only needs to be uploaded and shared, can't wait to test it! I loved it even the first time except wi-fi wasn't working, hoping theu will fix it in the update
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for active wi-fi connection try to rollback to HC ROM (I try use leedroid and fastboot flash boot boot.img event I'm not use s-off from htcdev) after running fine, back to recovery full wipe, and upgrade to Yetki ROM without fastboot *.img file again. test running and wi-fi can active again. for tethering just install easytether.
CMIIW
Thanks I will try that.
Does it have to be a HC ROM because right now I am on Dexter's JB port and If I don't have to I'd skip a flash
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