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So, if rooting the g tablet is the way to go, it surely must stand up to a few simple speed checks. Has anyone posted various root's numbers or have some to post?
Stuff like, time to boot? Time to load common apps? Time to open the same web page? Frames on games? Time to download? Max browser pages open? Other relevant numbers welcome...
As far as I can tell, without any objective numbers comparing root performance, a lot of this rooting fad raves could just be subjective reported elation about being able to be different.
Granted, originally, the Gtab OS had some flaws. That's old news, get over it. How do the current roots compare with OTA version 3588? I'm somewhat shocked not one of the pack of geeks that have rooted their G tab hasn't backed up their raves with real numbers...
Granted, being rooted to the latest vegan might get access to the full Android market, and perhaps even future updates in Android... However, if I'm finding most of what I want at Amazon Android, is rooting worth the trouble until the roots and android versions stabilize? Show us the NUMBERS...!
I've been there done that with this subjective stuff long enough not to be swayed without real numbers...
Also, do any of these roots do OTA auto updates or do root updates require a download & re-root? Just asking...
Jesus christ if you can't do a simple search for benchmark tests then I highly suggest getting the ipad2. I hear that the ipad 2 reads your mind so out don't have to do any search. We've only had a kazillion threads on this.
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This is not to mention all the YouTube vids on this people have posted.
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Actually, here are a few.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1047098&highlight=benchmark+2011
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12984546&postcount=9
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12986416&postcount=10
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12986416&postcount=10
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I'm serious, I highly suggest the ipad 2 to everyone I talk to. Speaking as someone who repairs computers as a side job, I'm fully aware that most people want to be spoon fed everything, which is why the ipad 2 is the ideal device for most people. If people want to complain about nothing, let apple deal with them.
Thanks for the links.
However, as best as I can tell, they seem to verify that the OTA updated Gtablet is about the same speed as Vegan in the benchmarks when the CPU speeds are similar.
However, do the benchmarks used translate into much of relevance to speed of actually using the tablet to open programs, boot the tablet, download & open web pages. Stuff that people actually do with the tablet... Unless that's what the benchmarks are testing... But that info isn't provided in the links. Again -- weak...
The numbers and detail provided in these links deserve barely more than a C grade, if that... And what they provide seems to be at equal speeds, the current OTA updated gtab OS works fine... As long as you don't need the full Adroid market...
You Tube links? As best as I can tell, not one of them is an objective comparison with the OTA 3588 update gtab. They are just videos of vegan working... As far as real world numbers and comparisons -- Grade D-...
Where are the Grade A numbers? It's not that I don't believe the ROMs are not an improvement, it's just where are the numbers to support these raves?
What exactly are you looking for? There are no hard numbers when it comes to real world use, just your user experience versus mine.
You're not telling us what you want. You said you wanted numbers so I gave you a bunch. Then you say you don't want those numbers. So, I ask again. What do you want?
I'll be brutally honest on this one. Vegan isn't that fast. From all my tests, Calkulin+Clemsyn combo is by far the fastest custom rom+kernel for the gtab.
After trying out everything, I'm back to Calkulin+Clemsyn combo.
Would you like me to make a video of myself openning various programs and post it for you? What do you want?
I'm thinking you should drop that 'r' from your handle.
You also have a misconception of what rooting is/does.
To become root in Linux/Android is to gain administrative privileges. In windows root would be called Administrator. Gaining root privileges gives you the ability to change system files and settings, NOTHING MORE. By itself it does nothing.
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The fact is that if you need numbers, reports,testimonials or anything else to justify mucking around with the gtab thenyou probably should just get an iPad. Nothing to prove then -everyone "knows" its the best-no numbers needed! The gtab is for people that don't mind the hardware and software quirks as long as they have the freedom to mess around. Its not about the numbers -its about the experience.
[Q] Why should we ..?!
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I've been there done that with this subjective stuff long enough not to be swayed without real numbers...
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Well, I am not sure anyone here is trying to sway you in one direction or the others.
Here is how things go in community forums like this one:
- People search for what they got in mind first.
- If they didn't find its either undoable or not that interesting for the community that no one bothered doing it.
- In both case those people are expected to either drop whatever they are wishing for or pursuit it on there own and then share their findings with the community.
In other words, why the heck am I supposed to go beyond whatever benchmarks readily available on the market to show YOU how good/bad are custom firmwares compared to stock ones when :
- custom firmwares are volatile and each couple of days there is a new rom or rom add on or a kernel released (am I supposed to maintain the stats for every single update released ? else how meaningful would be my outdated stats to you? when it represents a ROM that is no longer a candidate)
- the whole flash back and forth and in between roms is a 10~20 minutes process of YOUR time which would suffice to answer all your questions.
If you still need some usability tests (you can use your own stop watch to time through the videos) you might want to check here.
Best of luck,
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I'm thinking you should drop that 'r' from your handle.
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I think this was the best answer.
The information you are demanding is indicating your ignorance. As was already stated rooting does nothing for performance. If you want numbers you can install each rom and test with each kernel setting whatever your heart desires. Its not likely anyone else even cares as most people only care about stability and a lack of lag
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So, if rooting the g tablet is the way to go, it surely must stand up to a few simple speed checks. Has anyone posted various root's numbers or have some to post?
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Rooting itself does nothing other than giving you root - the speed of your device before and after rooting is identical.
Now, if you want to talk about the speeds with or without an overclocked kernel, or with a custom Froyo vs custom Ginger vs stock rom, as others have said there are plenty of posts out there.
Mine lasted on the stock rom for exactly one boot after opening the box - so I could copy on the bits to begin the rooting/custom rom flashing goodness.
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What exactly are you looking for? There are no hard numbers when it comes to real world use, just your user experience versus mine.
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What I'm looking for is defined, at least in part, in the first post. Copy and pasted here for your convenience.
Stuff like, time to boot? Time to load common apps? Time to open the same web page? Frames on games? Time to download? Max browser pages open? Other relevant numbers welcome...
If I go to a notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphic-Cards, the various card performances in various games are reviewed. The reviews are very professionally and objectively done with detail. Clicking on any specific card opens a detailed review of that card. This allows users to make decisions based upon what sorts of (graphic game) uses they might actually have.
It seems a similar but much smaller objective set of benchmarks could be performed on the various g tablet roots using a set of common uses in part noted above. It doesn't need to be as elaborate or detailed as the video card review site noted above. Just objectively testing a few simple end user tasks would seem to be adequate to get beyond the subjective raves that one commonly sees about this or that OS change...
FYI, part of this is related to my background as a doctor (plus a computer background dating back beyond the Apple II to programming FORTRAN and COMPASS on mainframes in the 1960s). As doctors we are constantly bombarded with all sorts of anecdotal raves about this or that treatment all the time, only to find that they aren't supported by actual objective research -- some cause harm, not healing. Fortunately for those promoting software changes related to raves and fads don't have the potential to cause anyone significant harm... Excuse me if I'd like to see similar objective professional 'standards of care' when it comes to reviewing and analyzing software/hardware fads. I'm sure there are plenty of others in the audience who'd feel the same...
So is this a religious thread, I see Jesus was mentioned.
Actually sometimes you modders act like it.
I'll get the other times later. Here is the startup time.
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FYI, part of this is related to my background as a doctor (plus a computer background dating back beyond the Apple II to programming FORTRAN and COMPASS on mainframes in the 1960s). As doctors we are constantly bombarded with all sorts of anecdotal raves about this or that treatment all the time, only to find that they aren't supported by actual objective research -- some cause harm, not healing. Fortunately for those promoting software changes related to raves and fads don't have the potential to cause anyone significant harm... Excuse me if I'd like to see similar objective professional 'standards of care' when it comes to reviewing and analyzing software/hardware fads. I'm sure there are plenty of others in the audience who'd feel the same...
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Well, while I can see your point, I also have to point out the other side of the argument. I am an engineer. Last year, we got a college graduate who, from the outlook, had all the numbers and credentials. He graduated with almost a perfect gpa. Sounds nice, right? He had all the numbers. The problem was as soon as he began working with us we figured out very quickly that we had a book smart-absolutely no common sense person with us. I swear, he pulled me aside one time and asked me why they were "watering the concrete slabs" in the lab. It got worse from there. I had to explain to him very basic engineering concepts and applications like stirrups, slippage, etc.
This guy actually went through college getting the grades and everything without actually understanding any of it. He graduated with a structural engineering degree without knowing the very simple practical processes of curing concrete or reinforcing footings.
The point is numbers can be deceiving if you ignore annecdotal (aka common sense) evidence. You need both objective numbers and common sense to work in reality. Sure, I've heard plenty of annecdotal nonsense like creationist BS, religious miracles, and homeopathic crap. I'll give you that. But you seem to be on the other extreme side, which is to ignore all personal evidence and place all your bets on pure numbers.
I'm telling you now. We got both the numbers and personal evidence. I'll try to get them for you.
Doofus
I like the list of missing benchmarks you listed. Why don't you measure them and report back?
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What I'm looking for is defined, at least in part, in the first post. Copy and pasted here for your convenience.
Stuff like, time to boot? Time to load common apps? Time to open the same web page? Frames on games? Time to download? Max browser pages open? Other relevant numbers welcome...
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All those numbers are identical before and after rooting your device since nothing changes before and after root, other than you now have root access.
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While watching everyone bash eachother here has its entertainment i have some advice.
Droofus
1 i would recomend not comming into a community forum and bashing people who put a lot of effort into making the product you own better. These people don't get paid for the hours of work they put in.
2 if you don't like how thing are done around here take the time to be a good example and do it better. You clearly have an idea in your head on how to make a professional stastical representation of the roms so do it.
3 what some people are trying to tell you is that it is not all about the numbers. Some people want gingerbread features. Right now all of the gingerbread roms suck for video performance due to driver issues so i don't use them. I like the gingerbread features but i watch videos a lot so i use a froyo rom. Others really care about performance so they give up some stability and overlock.
4 people around here get upset when the same question gets asked over and over again. If you have done some reasearch reference other articles to show that.
5 this is a dual core tablet, what are you doing that you care that much about preformance.
This thing is faster than my netbook.
6 dropping your title on us just makes you sound pretentious. There are a lot of very intellgent successful people here who are not impressed by doctors or your past experience. If you have useful skills to the community don't brag just use them and people will be grateful.
7 people were a little rude about it but they are right. I tell people that if they want something that is easy go buy an ipad or a xoom. If you want something for under 300 then buy a g tab and understand that with some effort it can be great.
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1 relax... starting flame wars with someone who doesn't know their way around isn't going to help anyone.
I forgot to mention that traditionally us geeks are known for our lack of formal documentation.
P.s. while many of us proudly wear the badge of geek calling us a pack of geeks is a little adversarial.
First... let's start with a a few definitions.
com·put·er - n.
1. An electronic device for storing and processing data, typically in binary form, according to instructions given to it in a variable program.
2. Also called processor. an electronic device designed to accept data, perform prescribed mathematical and logical operations at high speed, and display the results of these operations.
3. A device that computes, especially a programmable electronic machine that performs high-speed mathematical or logical operations or that assembles, stores, correlates, or otherwise processes information.
tel·e·phone - n.
1. An instrument that converts voice and other sound signals into a form that can be transmitted to remote locations and that receives and reconverts waves into sound signals.
SO... I was browsing around XDA, and I couldn't help but notice all of talk we have accumulated over this whole HBoot 1.5 deal, not have the NAND unlocked, crummy source code releases from phone companies, sprint and many other phone companies monitoring every little thing we do, people's contracts being terminated for "accessing torents".... a whole laundry list of problems people are having with various aspects of owning their "phone" and not having freedom to truly do whatever they want with it.
I started pondering the idea that cell phones, tablets, the whole scene, are slowly starting to replace the use of a personal lap top or desk top. Many people, such as myself, use their "phone" as a very handy mobile business tool - much like you would a computer - checking/sending emails, downloading music, managing bank accounts, keeping up with the latest news on facebook, recording/sharing/editing high quality media, playing games, programming and testing software, composing and looking at word, excel, powerpoint, adobe... just to name a few... documents. Oh, and making phone calls.
Back to the "thought" that came to mind as I was contemplating this, it occurred to me that my phone, is becoming much less of a phone to me, and more like a computer, and just like my computer it is something I have paid and continually pay good money for...
My question, then, is would the free world (society) ever tolerate the limitations, and obnoxious "control" over their personal computers that we are all rolling over on our backs and accepting from phone companies? Could this idea that phones are becoming, and ARE, more a computer than a phone in the year 2012 and furthermore at what point will we stop accepting this type of tyranny from the dealers of these devices? Could this not be comparative to best buy selling you a laptop, then the cable company telling you exactly what you are and aren't allowed to do with said laptop, simply because they are providing you the PAID FOR service of their internet? Where and when are we going to draw the line with this type of double standard and make a valiant effort to bring this to the attention of people who are walking in blindness, with their little computers in their pockets, with their big phone company telling them exactly what they can and cannot do with their phone? If I want to buy a lap top, then turn around and rebuild it to my liking, knowing the warranty may be void if something goes wrong, and maybe over something as simple as not liking the color of the menu screen, do I not have that ability? Likewise, if I pay hundreds of dollars for a portable computer, which fits conveniently in my pocket, and I decide I want to tear apart the software simply to rebuild it or improve on things that do not fit to my needs EXACTLY, am I not allowed to do this simply because I am paying for internet and radio reception and the company selling me such service says "no, that is not allowed" because they say so? If this type of control or dictatorship was ever forced upon our personal computers, there would be riots on the doorsteps of the people selling us the computers and internet service. Why then do we tolerate this bull**** with something cell phone companies call a "phone" but something we all know is just as useful, and extremely more convenient than, a lap top.
Why is there no freedom to do whatever we please with our pocket sized computers? Why do cell carriers tell us what we can and cannot do with the devices they sell us, then make us pay for continually? The average person will spend approximately $1,800 dollars on "cell phone" services over the course of a contract. By the time that contract is up, their hardware is outdated, and needs replacing to keep up with the software and hardware advancement in the mobile electronic world. Does that wreak of computer or phone to you? My parents have had the same house phone in their living room for the past 10 years, and it does exactly what it was always designed to do, and does not need "upgrading". Why are "cell phones" being called cell phones by Sprint, Verizon, T Mobile, and many other companies that sell these devices by the millions when they are hardly phones at all? If my laptop has an application on it, which it does - skype, that is designed to simply make a phone call every now and then among the hundred of other things I use it for, does that mean I should call my lap top a cell phone? Simply because I can talk to cell phones from it? Or is it a computer, because it's primary function is to compute data that I store on it, and read that data back to me in millions of different ways and interact with me based on what data I decide to access/store in it? "Cell phones" are not cell phones, and why are we allowing people to tell us otherwise, simply so they can dictate to us what we do with them? I think it is time we start bringing this to people's attention. I think it is time to start raising this question to "cell phone" companies and manufacturers of these expensive devices, then turn around and tell us what we can and cannot do with our "cell phone." I say we start giving a big fat middle finger to this injustice and go on the offense here about this huge issue. I don't want your spyware bull **** on my computer, I don't want to be told what websites I am allowed to visit/not visit, I don't want you locking me out of my computer's OS, I don't want you collecting random statistical data about what apps I use, I don't want you invading my privacy. I just want to buy my damn computer, pay for your radio service like I do with my laptop and comcast, and not have any other relationship with you other than a monthly payment. I am one of those who enjoys freedom. And if I want to pick apart the software that you pre-loaded into my device, for learning experience, for ****s and giggles, for the pure sake of not being bored, give me the freedom to do it ENTIRELY... Not in some half ass way.
Our "phones" are not phones. Make this known the next time a "phone" company calls you with their ridiculous "rate your experience at our store" phone calls. In fact, request that they do call. Write a letter. Hell, copy and paste this entire rant and email it to [email protected]... whatever the hell you do, stop letting people walk all over you by feeding you lies about what that device in your hand truly is, which you are reading this post from.
Be vocal, and be defiant with this major invasion of privacy and freedom. It will turn heads and cause people to question the powers that be. Does ANYBODY have a right to tell me what I do with MY computer? Hell no they don't.
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You sir, a a born philosopher.
Nicely said.
Evo 3D taking it to Redline!
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Agreed in full.
PS. The first one to flame should get banned from XDA! and their phone removed by the FBI...
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Meh, its still just a phone, the "phone" has just evolved. All technology has a 2 year cycle. And as long as you have to go through a carrier, they will be able to tell you what you can and cannot do.
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Cool Story Bro. Now seriously, you may have a point there athough if this did happen we would probably end up laying full price for our phones. Where do you ever see a desktop with 250 instant savings if you setup Verizon home and phone service in your area. It's an iffy situation. Once we call these "phones" computers they will end up being treated as such. I can't imagine how much the cost of an app would go up just because my phone is no longer considered a mobile platform.
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The phone is simply no longer a phone. With the recent software that allows us to run x86 OS's in your hand with nothing more than a disk image and a text edit, the term "PC in your hand" is indeed a reality. As this wonderful visionary has so stated in so many words, where does the line that separates computer and phone begin and end. And the simple answer is, it doesn't begin or end because it doesn't exist.
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ha, if you think you aren't paying full price for your phone through the back door (your monthly bill) you are fooling yourself. they compensate themselves greatly with that little rebate you "save"
my point is simply that our "phones" are not phones anymore. they are computers. i have a phone, at my house, and it makes phone calls. what it doesn't do is keep me logged into skype, facebook, twitter, my email accounts, my netflix account, my pandora account, my bank account, or record pictures, videos, then allow me to do much of that stuff at the same time and in a timely manner.... much like my lap top does.
i was on a little bit of a stick it to the man kick last night i'll admit...lol... but really ask yourselves, "is he right here?" i think so. it would not be a stretch at all to say our personal mobile computers are being monopolized and freedoms are being infringed upon simply because we have been told to call these mobile computers "phones"...
have they evolved from what they were? certainly. i remember when my cell phone was simply a cell phone. the reality is that i use my phone for things i used to use my computer for.... as somebody said before, that line between phone and computer has been quickly fading and is nearly gone, so why treat our phones any different than we would a computer? and why shouldn't we expect nothing less than complete and utter personal privacy for these devices? and just as you buy a desktop or lap top and have entire administrative control over it, why is this not being allowed on these ones that are hand held? it is a sick double standard that is there to simply control what you do with the device. the fact is, people would be in an uproar if companies such as dell, or gateway, or apple, or comcast, etc treated you and your desk top the way you are being treated with your "cell phone"
Dude, you're absolutely right! If anyone disagrees, its because they have been brain washed for so long they don't know any better. Come to think of it, I hardly use my "phone" to make phone calls. The sad reality, though, is that I don't see change any time soon. We have given the carriers too much power and, just like government, they never give that power back.
But I mean, this if what the man is good at, like for real. They sell us on an idea, put the product in our hand, say "do anything you can imagine with it" and out in the fine print "but only do what we allow you to imagine, nothing more!" For example, just because it plugs in, in a sense anyway. I have a NextBook Premium 7 tablet. I have also started developing roms. The problem my partners and I ran into was the limitation of space on the thing (210 mb after root, 160 mb before root), after converting the file system from the manufacturer version to a version that the typical phone runs (ext3) and editing the parameters, the thing has a gigabyte of free space. To plug this into the topic at hand, what the electronic market does by limiting the possibilities of what our devices can do is keep money in their pockets, because they (for example) release a 3vo with a 1 gHz processor, the release a sensation with a 1.2 GHz, putting emphasis on the ".2" for $100 more. Then come back and sound the release of a quad core 1.5 GHz phone, again putting emphasis on the ".5" and are going to throw ANOTHER $100 on to of the sensations price tag after rebate. When in fact, the 3vo can be over clocked to 1.5 and be stable, the sensation can hit that 1.8 with its eyes closed, and I'm quite sure a quad core can push 2.0 GHz plus on a bad day. The average consumer doesn't know this though, and the average consumer happens to be pretty much 95% of society with an Android phone smartphone, and unfortunately the consumer market plays on this lack of knowledge.
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This should at the very least concern some of you. The way the technological world is headed, lap top and desk top computers could very well be obsolete in a few years. Entirely obsolete. Your “phone” will do all of the things your computer does, and dell will be in the “phone” business, not the PC business. Who is going to be in control of your “phone service”….??
Sprint, Verizon, T mobile, etc… turning a blind eye to this unfolding before our very eyes is ignorant and foolish. They will have us all by the testicles.
so my car is also a computer? Its got multiple CPU's, a place to watch dvds, and a 7" monitor with android OS on it. I drive a computer! sweet!
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so my car is also a computer? Its got multiple CPU's, a place to watch dvds, and a 7" monitor with android OS on it. I drive a computer! sweet!
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well you are obviously out of your element here.
what is the MAIN function of your car? to drive. technically your brain is a computer. don't be a moron.
a hand held camera for example, has a speaker phone on it for recording sound with the video? correct? does it also have an image processor? yes it does. do we call it a voice recorder? no. we call it a camera.
my whole point is that our "phones" are far more similar to our "computers" and labelling them "phones" and treating them as such, by controlling them and monopolizing them and dictating what we are not allowed to do with them, is none of anybody's ****ing business but ours - much like what you do with your computer is nobody's business but yours. if i download torrents on my lap top, does dell and comcast walk in and remove the service i am paying for? no, they don't, because it is unlawful and not their element. furthermore, phone companies do not treat these devices with the respect they deserve, hence all the security flaws we uncover in the dev community. this needs to change.
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This should at the very least concern some of you. The way the technological world is headed, lap top and desk top computers could very well be obsolete in a few years. Entirely obsolete. Your “phone” will do all of the things your computer does, and dell will be in the “phone” business, not the PC business. Who is going to be in control of your “phone service”….??
Sprint, Verizon, T mobile, etc… turning a blind eye to this unfolding before our very eyes is ignorant and foolish. They will have us all by the testicles.
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The phone "will" do nothing, cause it already does.! And though I agree that the ideal "desktop or laptop" will fade, the touchscreen PC will shine through eventually just as the phone did, I doubt regular computers will fade away at anytime in the near future.
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1. The code for phones is written on supercomputers, so you'll likely not see the complete dismantling of them in general. Maybe a huge drop off of personal (at home) computers/laptops, but not full scale pc absence.
2. Its the desire of the users to have the latest and greatest things to play with that feeds cell phone companies and allows them to control the experience.
3. The only true way to revolt against the companies, is don't buy the latest and greatest, or don't buy at all. We're only subject to our own temptations. You have to eliminate your dependence on your smartphone, and retract back to "the old way" (only make phone calls, write letters, etc). Its because you (general you) have allowed yourself to be reliant on your phone for so many aspects of your life that phone companies (manufacturers and cell service providers alike) have you by the balls.
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The phone "will" do nothing, cause it already does.! And though I agree that the ideal "desktop or laptop" will fade, the touchscreen PC will shine through eventually just as the phone did, I doubt regular computers will fade away at anytime in the near future.
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why would you want a touch screen PC when tablets and ipads and phones are already there? and what makes you think the technology will stay restricted to a display screen? virtual displays are already in the works and these will be implemented as soon as they can be. your "phone" could very likely one day fulfill every aspect of entertainment and communication that your standard home computer does. how do you not see this trend already taking a sharp rise over the last two years compared to the last 4 or 5? sprint and other carrier's line up of devices has taken a major overhaul over merely the last 5 years, and you think that trend is suddenly going to come to a screeching halt and dual core, 1 gig RAM, and 4 inch displays will be the standard for the next century or even 5 years? you are mistaken.
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Is it just me, or has there been a decline in the quality of android users since the original G1?
It seems that people are interested in having a custom rom, yet are not interested in doing any of the leg work involved, nor are they interested in understand what rooting, s-off, bootloaders are, etc..
Is this just a side effect of android being more mainstream? Is this what happens when Android starts stealing away Iphone users?
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Is it just me, or has there been a decline in the quality of android users since the original G1?
It seems that people are interested in having a custom rom, yet are not interested in doing any of the leg work involved, nor are they interested in understand what rooting, s-off, bootloaders are, etc..
Is this just a side effect of android being more mainstream? Is this what happens when Android starts stealing away Iphone users?
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I think it's because it's becoming more mainstream. You saw the same thing with Ubuntu taking more space for PC. Linux used to be relatively niche, people who had a certain amount of knowledge would use it, but most casual users would stay away.
It's a bit of a shame for the repetitive questions and having to lead people by the hand, but that also means programmers (apps, roms, kernels, etc etc) will get more interested in Android as it becomes more popular and thus lucrative.
They're just people. Just like you.
The term "quality android user" is a joke and would only come from a place of arrogance. I'm sure whenever any of you "quality android users" try to get service from someone in an area you're not knowledgeable in you're just as annoyingly dense.
"I used android before it was cool"
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That's what happens when things go mainstream & become popular. But you shouldn't say that people are of less quality. In the real world, people work jobs which take all of their time away from them, have to travel long distances & many hours just to get to & from work, have families to feed & take care of, etc... Many people just plain & simply don't have time in their lives to sit at a computer & spend hours of time trying to learn certain things, which is why they ask for help with things that they don't know. Please keep these things in mind. If you are more knowledgeable than someone, you really should try to politely help them, as opposed to just calling them stupid & of lower quality. We were all there once, & we all walk different paths in life. Life is rough. Be kind & help others, as you'd want them to do for you.
If people don't have time to learn what they are doing then they shouldn't be flashing roms.
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In my opinion people (Adverage Consumer) are getting these cheap android based Samsung/HTC/Motorola instead of higher quality phones that are actually close to the same price and being influenced by us (Devolper/Modder) and have basically made them able to do it easy.
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zelendel said:
If people don't have time to learn what they are doing then they shouldn't be flashing roms.
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Exactly. And when they brick their phone due to incorrectly doing it. They ask a question here. When I or others answer, Some of them reply "We don't have time for all this!, give us a quick-fix!!"
1. It's your problem not ours. We are not forced to help you.
2. If you want a quick fix, remove some money and send it to a repair shop if you can't follow simple instructions.
3. If you don't have the time and knowledge for all this why are you flashing custom kernels and roms?!?
4. We don't mind helping you out, But be humble
zeratos said:
"I used android before it was cool"
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Hipsters... Bah
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It is true that due to the android os being popular or based in everything it has caused the lazy noobs to increase(quick fixers,complainers,etc) and i guess that is the effect of ppl who just want to show off what they can do with their device other than to assist to build the community up.
I currently obtain and use an Inspire 4G for 2yrs now, but the desire is to contribute as much as i can when i purchase a new device(more mobile apps and even rom development / collabs).
In theory, the more people that join in, the more roms should be developed,tested,and released
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in light of this new information, if LG is doing this with their TV sets, I can only wonder how far they go with their phones ...making me rethink any LG mobile purchases.
http://arstechnica.com/security/201...extends-to-home-networks-second-blogger-says/
tmzbeme said:
in light of this new information, if LG is doing this with their TV sets, I can only wonder how far they go with their phones ...making me rethink any LG mobile purchases.
http://arstechnica.com/security/201...extends-to-home-networks-second-blogger-says/
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Yeah, same here. I'm running an AOSP based ROM now, so it's not going to send anything to LG. But I don't want to support a company with ethics like that.
I don't doubt for a second that LG do this on their phones, but I also don't doubt for a second that everyone else do too. These days tracking and spying seems like the norm.
Its not that did it on purpose, its more of a bug. And just becuase its happening to their smart tvs doesnt mean its happing to their phones, 2 different divisions of a company. Its not like the tv and mobile divisions have the same software engineers.
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What the Googs knows should worry you more...Think of all the programs they have going.
Keep your files clean in the future...
x714x said:
Its not that did it on purpose, its more of a bug. And just becuase its happening to their smart tvs doesnt mean its happing to their phones, 2 different divisions of a company. Its not like the tv and mobile divisions have the same software engineers.
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Nice bug. I would love to get away from such bug filled company
Don't matter what we do cause as long as were connected to the net, somebody is watching. U can run, but u can't hide! LOL
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x714x said:
Its not that did it on purpose, its more of a bug. And just becuase its happening to their smart tvs doesnt mean its happing to their phones, 2 different divisions of a company. Its not like the tv and mobile divisions have the same software engineers.
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Exactly. I really don't see what the huge problem is. They are basically putting cookies on your TV, but obviously, in this case, the information was being sent to LG's servers to be compiled. Everyone does it, hell XDA shows me ads for something on Amazon I just looked up minutes ago.
I understand, that snooping on your network is a bit much just to reccomend shows and choose advertisements, but it's not like you can't stop it. Simply put your TV on your guest network. Boom. Done. No more access to other devices on your network.
It's not like other manufacturers aren't doing similar. Samsung TVs mine a ton of data. In addition, the models with cameras, can actually watch you. In some instances, it will be used to make sure you don't have more than the allowed amount of people watching an on demand event or streaming rental, but it can also be used to count people in the room, whether they're male or female, and whether or not they are being engaged by what's on the screen be it ads or media. This hasn't stopped them from being the number 1 TV manufacturer.
As for phones, Apple and Samsung have both been caught logging locations and taking pictures of it's users and that hasn't stopped them from being the number 1 and 2 smartphone manufacturers. On top of that, they aren't the only one's digging through your phone for data.
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In some instances, it will be used to make sure you don't have more than the allowed amount of people watching an on demand event or streaming rental, but it can also be used to count people in the room, whether they're male or female, and whether or not they are being engaged by what's on the screen be it ads or media.
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That has not happened till now. Stop talkig out of your @ss.
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That has not happened till now. Stop talkig out of your @ss.
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Um, no. The ability has existed on the last 2 model runs, it just wasn't implemented, just tested. It was due to studios wanting to make sure that people weren't having a too many people watching at one time. It's a form of copyright protection. You can watch a movie at home with a bunch of friends no problem, but streaming a movie for say your church, is a big no-no. At that point they want you to pay them like a theater would. Using it for advertisements is fairly new and that didn't really ruffle too many feathers until Microsoft's kinect. The new kinect is making waves again because it can even measure your heartbeat. Businesses would love to find out what kind of ads get your heart racing.
It is not a bug. Have you guys read the article? LG even confirms that it did that intentionally to better viewing experiences and enhance advertisement viewing. The 2nd part about it trolling your network and pulling information from everything it finds, and sending it off to LG, was supposed to be from an unfinished feature that was never implemented. Funny how they made sure it grabbed your information and successfully transmitted it back to their servers.
They are going to get in a LOT of trouble for this. I can honestly see them getting heavily sued. Not only were they stealing personal information without consent but also using up your personal bandwidth and invading your private viewing habits.
My dad is one that I'm sure will be severely affected. He is getting older and growing intensely paranoid to do anything. He used to work for HP and now is petrified to go out doors half the time. He disables his WiFi just because he fears someone hacking his network. Unfortunately he just bought a new Smart LG TV like last year. Now he's going to be afraid to watch the damn TV.
Yea you can say, well just turn off the WiFi or unplug the Ethernet... but someone who is paranoid like him doesn't think like that. His response will be, well they'll just code it to automatically turn WiFi on in the middle of the night for 30 minutes or whatever, then turn it back off when its done scouring his files.
It seems trivial to most people but this seriously effects some. The fact that HP SPECIFICALLY coded these things to do these tasks is appalling. This is NOT a bug. When you enable the Privacy Settings, all it does it flag the information as "privacy enabled" yet still sends it.
Very scary stuff. LG stole your information and sold it to the highest bidder. This will and should be a lawsuit. Companies shouldn't be allowed to profit from unwilling customers, especially when they specifically opted out. The fact that it also scans your internal network is also a HUGE compromise, both security and privacy.
Horrible.
If you live in the states I do not understand why complain. Your government has been spying on you guys since day 1 you were born. There is no more privacy anywhere you go in the world now. Unless you live in one of those third world countries, but in that case you would not have smart tv because there would be no wifi and stuff.
The government has a track on everyone. The only way is to stop using phones, computers, tablets, anything that has access to location and internet. Anything that accesses an IP address...no way to hide from them. Like it or not, that's the world we live in.
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LG is not the government
Uh boys.
This started popping up on my phone. Look at the screenshot icon. Any idea what this icon is on my G2.
It pops up like ever 20 seconds and flashes.
I just noticed it. Anyone else see it? I have to take a screen recording video and snip pics to catch it.
It's the door with the eye thing.
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Maybe this?
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player911 said:
Uh boys.
This started popping up on my phone. Look at the screenshot icon. Any idea what this icon is on my G2.
It pops up like ever 20 seconds and flashes.
I just noticed it. Anyone else see it? I have to take a screen recording video and snip pics to catch it.
It's the door with the eye thing.
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It's a built in spy software!
Seriously though, it's a gesture feature that you selected in settings. It detects your eyes and prevents the screen from turning off just before your screen time out.
Yea that's what it is. On the Verizon model, we have the traditional vertical settings menu and it doesn't have pictures.
I was testing the settings apk from the LG Flex and must've turned it on accidentally.
It was really starting to freak me out. That option doesn't work So well. It still times out.
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Per phones, have a look at LG MLT. It isn't even new, been years in the making. Almost every manufacturer has this type of software, hell, even carriers in some instances... cough... carrier iq.
It would appear that Sammy is taking a turn for the iWorse. or at least playing with the idea.
if this becomes a common practice for Samsung, I will stop purchasing their products. this kind of behavior usually drives away the tech-set (read as: us). who in turn do not encourage others to use the product.I can think of several dozen folk who turn to me for tech advice, as I would hazard is true for many people here. And in turn, those people recommend things to their friends, etc. I won't be able to recommend a product with this stance on third party products.
http://www.sammobile.com/2014/01/22...-working-on-galaxy-note-3-post-kitkat-update/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...t-on-the-note-3-but-there-is-a-root-solution/
discuss?
(this is also being discussed here.)
Eh, doesn't matter to me. But if I were Samsung I probably wouldn't care about other manufacturers taking away from my profits either.
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It would appear that Sammy is taking a turn for the iWorse. or at least playing with the idea.
if this becomes a common practice for Samsung, I will stop purchasing their products. this kind of behavior usually drives away the tech-set (read as: us). who in turn do not encourage others to use the product.I can think of several dozen folk who turn to me for tech advice, as I would hazard is true for many people here. And in turn, those people recommend things to their friends, etc. I won't be able to recommend a product with this stance on third party products.
http://www.sammobile.com/2014/01/22...-working-on-galaxy-note-3-post-kitkat-update/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...t-on-the-note-3-but-there-is-a-root-solution/
discuss?
(this is also being discussed here.)
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Great read and thread, bro. At the moment this appears to be firmly ensconced in the realm of induction, which I like a lot. You could get excellent dialog or real crazy comments. I'm hoping we get a lot of both.
First, articles like these are fine examples of how some horrible and good ideas get vetted. Marketing folks love it, as it provides a crowdsourced focus group and costs nothing. You simply leak an idea through various channels, deny everything, and enjoy the harvest.
I personally like the idea of mobile accessories having to pass at least a minimal standard in order to get Sammy certified, but I loathe the idea of gimping it if it doesn't attain said standards. That retains the right of the consumer to purchase what he or she wants, and yet also gives (perhaps) some confidence to those wanting the certified accessory. If they go the certified and uncertified both work route, and it gins up sales for Sammy, good for them. There is plenty of precedent (those Intel Inside campaigns pretty much buried any real competition when they ran in the late 90s onward).
But I have to agree that, if this is true (it does have the appearance of plausibility), it royally sucks. Even if one 3rd-party charger or battery gets crippled, I have to say one must care, even if those same 3rd-party items aren't accessories you'd purchase, because there could be accessories in the pipeline that you would buy and also will get borked.
This most definitely is something that deserves watching. But it's still a tad early to be throwing them under the bus.
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I had an E4GT a few years ago, and loved it. When my contract was up I had a tough decision to make, Note 2 or iPhone 5. I went with the iPhone. Reason being, my computers are Mac, and I have an Apple Tv. The integration was flawless, it was so nice to have everything work together the way it should. Look where I am now. No more iPhone. No matter how perfect the symmetry, life is about choices. Take away my options and I will go elsewhere, not just because I like to tinker with things but, because if I am going to spend the money that I earn on a device then it should be up to me and me alone how I use that device. I don't know, maybe I'm still just a rebel at heart but, I don't want to be part of the Stepford clan.
Well at least now that it has come out that it was a bug/mistake, I know that I will sleep a bit better. I would have hated seeing Samsung going the Apple route...
It will only be Samsung and Apple that will run the "show" so they can do what ever they want and we cant do a damn thing about it..