Bootloader confusion... ?? - Motorola Droid RAZR

So I'm getting the razr tomorrow from amazon.de and I'm a little confused about the bootloader.
Didn't Motorola say the bootloader would be locked/unlocked based on carrier? But now I'm reading they're all locked atm.
If Motorola told the truth I don't see why the razr from amazon should have a locked bootloader.
Can anybody clear this up?
Thanks
Bye bye

Apparently the bootloader will be unlocked when ice cream sandwich is released for the razr and when that happens your network provider will decide if they wish to allow that i suppose.
So if you have an unbranded phone (sim-free) you will get the unlocked bootloader but if it is branded to a network provider you will have to rely on them to allow it.

So Motorola did in fact lie, because they said it would be up to the carrier if the bootloader will be locked or not.
Like I said, I'm getting my razr from amazon so it'll be unbranded and should be unlocked.

Er, no they didn't. They said it would be unlocked when ICS was released for the Razr. It has not yet been released, so until that time they have not lied.
Should it be released and the bootloader is still locked, then they will have lied

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(Q) Motorola unlocking bootloader

When Motorola said they would unlock bootloader s in late 2011, depending on carrier.
If your carrier is not one that will allow it, could you flash another carrier sbf to acquire an unlockable bootloader?
Desire is the source of all suffering.
cant see why not, the french 2.1.1 is a retail sbf afaik so in theory that should get any updates almost straight away as opposed to the carrier specific sbfs, may be wrong though :S
ears1991 said:
cant see why not, the french 2.1.1 is a retail sbf afaik so in theory that should get any updates almost straight away as opposed to the carrier specific sbfs, may be wrong though :S
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Just was noticing how some sbf's are not compatible. And if it's an update that effects the bootloader then it maybe brand specific, unless it's upto the carrier to give you that update, so then they could with hold it, if it allows the bootloader to be unlocked.
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nitrox1 said:
When Motorola said they would unlock bootloader s in late 2011, depending on carrier.
If your carrier is not one that will allow it, could you flash another carrier sbf to acquire an unlockable bootloader?
Desire is the source of all suffering.
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whoa when did motorola say they were going to unlock bootloaders? do you have a link?
This is AT&T we are talking about here.
With their long history of screwing customers over, do you really thing this will happen?
(I'm not trying to be pessimistic, just more realistic)
Mgamerz said:
This is AN AMERICAN CARRIER we are talking about here.
With their long history of screwing customers over, do you really thing this will happen?
(I'm not trying to be pessimistic, just more realistic)
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There, I fixed that for you!
I would think that after they stop supporting the device they will open the bootloader but knowing Motorola they might just expect you to get a new phone that they will support for another few months. If we have to sign a contract with the carrier then the carrier should sign a contract with us agreeing to support the device, however I know realisticly AT&T would never go for that. What is sad is that my G1, the first android phone got Cyanogen support up to froyo. With motorola we will get Gingerbread at some point and maybe Ice Cream but who knows.
Sorry for ranting I just which Motorola was a more open company in respect to dealing with its customers. The more they disconnect from their customers the less they will have...
Tmo and sprint are doing pretty well. Verizon is alright (with the droid line). Most non droid motorola phones seem to suck and be crippled.
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neotekz said:
whoa when did motorola say they were going to unlock bootloaders? do you have a link?
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It's out there, think it's on their facebook, or google it.
They said 'all their range', but also upto carrier, by end of 2011.
When I was flashing my desire, htc updates changed hboot, that's why I asked.
And if you have a at&t phone, would you be able to flash a tmo uk sbf, to get your bootloader unlocked, if at&t didn't provide? Was the real question, or vice versa.
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Dependant on carrier? I'm confused.....Does this mean that HTCs will still be locked on AT&T even though they said they won't?
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The carriers can, but the flipside is that its more work for the lazy bums at at&t. I doubt htc will lock the bootloader, but at&t does have the final word.
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I've pretty much accepted the fact that we'll never see an unlocked bootloader on this phone. Either officially, or through some dev work on xda. Atleast that way I can be surprised if it ever happens.
If AT&T really does have the final say, I dont see why we couldnt flash a bootloader update intended for, say, a Bell Atrix. Remember when people were flashing a radio intended for Tesla Atrix's that unlocked HSPA+ speeds before 1.83? We could probably just do the same here.
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If AT&T really does have the final say, I dont see why we couldnt flash a bootloader update intended for, say, a Bell Atrix. Remember when people were flashing a radio intended for Tesla Atrix's that unlocked HSPA+ speeds before 1.83? We could probably just do the same here.
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I'm no dev, but am pretty sure you can't just go about flashing a bootloader all willy nilly like. could be wrong though
holtenc said:
I'm no dev, but am pretty sure you can't just go about flashing a bootloader all willy nilly like. could be wrong though
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Well you are wrong. With the Dream you could flash the SPL off the google dev phone to it which was the source of all custom roms for a while. This in fact would be a closer match and would work with little/no modification.
chria01 said:
Well you are wrong. With the Dream you could flash the SPL off the google dev phone to it which was the source of all custom roms for a while. This in fact would be a closer match and would work with little/no modification.
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The Atrix isnt the Dream, so there's no way to know for sure. But until its proven that cant be done, I choose to remain optimistic.
The bootloader and kernel are signed.
If you flashed the bootloader, you'd need to also be able to decrypt the kernel otherwise flashing would be pretty useless. Unless you could redirect what kernel to load. (Lol defeated my own argument)
I don't believe it's the carrier's that carry all the weight. It seems more like the OEMs do.
HTC declared that all bootloaders would be unlocked. They just said so. They didn't say, with permission from the carrier.
That's only after people bombed their facebook and twitter after hearing about the Evo3D. We've been trying since the DX to get even a vague response on if Motorola will do it or not.
From my understanding, if Motorola provide an SBF or update.zip that can load a signed boot image that will then allow us to load unsigned packages then we should be able to get it retroactively.
I'm just not sure if any of the people on the TI OMAP cpu will be as lucky as those devices also had hardware mechanism in place to stop flashing.
I'm still trying guys!
I'm using HTC's announcement as steam and have a contact in Moto Australia trying to help me get the right people on the phone. No promises, just a reminder that I'm fighting this and will continue to until it's unlocked.
Cheers,
Irwin
I spoke with an upper level tech support rep from AT&T yesterday and I know it's not absolute but when I asked what AT&T's stance was on unlocked boot loaders, she said they were against it.
I know it's not an official answer, but they said flashing of any unauthorized ROMs is something they're against and therefore will not support unlocked boot loaders.
Just putting it out there. Let's hope our devs can bypass this =].

HTCdev make me crazy

Hi
i just checked htcdev.com and found that they just unlock the boot-loader for Amaze 4G (T-Mobile)
and Amaze 4G (T-Mobile) has been released after our jetstream.
i don't know why htc delaying the unlock of jetstream
At&t has restriction htc to keep locking the boot-loader
So please any at&t members, contact them requesting to unlock the boot -loader
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At&t has restriction htc to keep locking the boot-loader
So please any at&t members, contact them requesting to unlock the boot -loader
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I did, both At&t and HTC. AT&T said bootloader will not be unlocked. HTC said bootloader is scheduled to be unlocked Q2 of 2012 or Q3 of 2012 latest.
well
That sucks.
i also noticed we got overtaken by other devices.
it pissed me off, but i think that deep inside - i already gave hope on the official unlock/updates.
I thinking to give my jetatsream to my wife and wait to release transformer prime 3G

Possible reason from for locked bootloader

So in reading the latest news, I came across this article where Samsung states that Verizon specifically asked for a locked and encrypted bootloader for the new SGIII. In fact, the article stated they are the only carrier to ask for it.
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/dr...ing-you-need-including-locked-bootloader.html
I know a lot of us feel like Motorola is not holding up their end of a promise, but perhaps it is a carrier-side issue. A little communication from Moto would help though.
I don't think it's any secret that it is the carriers that want locked boot loaders. Why would Motorola care one way or the other?
Wow, just wow. We got the only locked SG3.
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old news
thot this was old and not surprising news
verizon wants total control (monopoly and high prices)their excuse is people altering their phones can screw up their network....riiiight
i never blamed moto they only build what is ordered
And when I bought my phone unbranded and unlocked (international version) why is Motorola still locking my bootloader? I dont even live in the US.
Ya... no surprise vzw wants the bootloader locked! I think back to my evo on sprint... i had unlocked bootloader, and was able to use hotspot for free(sprint wants $30/mo) i was also able to flash full 3g verizon prl's.... what does that mean? I was able to use vzw towers 100% of the time roaming with full 3g data... that means sprint had to pay a lot of roaming fees, for me to try vzw's network b4 i actually made the plunge.... add that to the many other posibilities that an unlocked bootloader mames available, and i can see why they want a locked bootloader.
this razr maxx is my first verizon phone after coming from tmo... are all verizon android phones boot loader locked? is this the reason for such little development on this razr maxx? i didnt look into how healthy the dev for it was... and im going to miss swapping roms! i hate moto blur...
bigdookie said:
this razr maxx is my first verizon phone after coming from tmo... are all verizon android phones boot loader locked? is this the reason for such little development on this razr maxx? i didnt look into how healthy the dev for it was... and im going to miss swapping roms! i hate moto blur...
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No, all are not locked. The Samsung Galaxy Nexus and the HTC Rezound are both unlocked.
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No, all are not locked. The Samsung Galaxy Nexus and the HTC Rezound are both unlocked.
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thanks for the reply. but i am not just BLIND when I see there is very little development for the razr maxx?
bigdookie said:
this razr maxx is my first verizon phone after coming from tmo... are all verizon android phones boot loader locked? is this the reason for such little development on this razr maxx? i didnt look into how healthy the dev for it was... and im going to miss swapping roms! i hate moto blur...
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Verizon phones are a little weird. The OG Motorola Droid was bootloader unlocked, as is the Motorola Xoom. HTC devices are typically locked but the bootloader can be unlocked (or bypassed) soon after released. At the end of 2011, HTC decided to unlocked all of their current phones (Thunderbolt, Rezound, etc). ALL Nexus' (any carrier / any Nexus) are unlocked. Google wont allow a Nexus device to be locked. Unfortunately a lot of other Samsung devices are locked. Hope that helps.
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My backup device is wifi only for a reason. I do not need verizon but for now the 1 line I have is good enough for all my phone needs and 69 bucks a month is about as cheap as you can get for a web phone.
The locked loader on the razr is an issue but rooted and an app turns on wifi tethering and works flawlessly, foxfi
they have a right to restrict but I will look to unlocked in the future, I expect to keep my razr for the forcible future. the battery in the maxx is no joke , 2 days using gps,wifi and data

[Q] Noob unlocking question?

All,
I have a T-mobile HTC One that is locked to T-mobile and was wondering if it would be worth my time and effort to get it Sim unlocked and stay with T-mobile for the purpose of maybe getting the Android 4.4 Kit-Kat update sooner? I read that HTC USA is bringing it out "within 90 days" for all HTC Ones, but the Google Play edition within two weeks and the "unlocked" and developer editions within 30 days. I know I'm being impatient but I am looking forward to the new functions and am hoping that it fixes the horrible battery drain that I have noticed since the 4.3 update.
The phone is paid for and I have already called and am eligible to get the unlock code....
One of my questions is how to unlock it without a "foreign" sim? Can I just by a net talk or other phone company sim and unlock it then just pop the T-mobile sim back in? And if so would that qualify the phone as "unlocked" to get the update that much sooner? Also, would that cause me any issues with T-mobile's network? I know I could use one of the many fine roms here but my hacking skills are nil and I would prefer the factory update, I would rather not put my non existent skills to the test.
Please any and all help would be greatly appreciated! :highfive:
Thanks for looking!
Getting your phone sim unlocked will not help you get the htc update faster,so if that's the only reason you need it unlocked do not waste your money on that.Probably will be a custom firmware available for your phone and can use that if can not wait for the official release from your carrier,but that may damage your waranty
So that wouldn't qualify it as an "unlocked version"?
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So that wouldn't qualify it as an "unlocked version"?
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even if you unlock it by an unlock code when updating using the built in update feature,will update to the tmobile rom,the "unlocked version" is the never locked version,that came unlocked with unbranded rom
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So that wouldn't qualify it as an "unlocked version"?
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not really bro, ur confusing what is the factory unlocked version international, to a sim unlocked tmo version, two diferent things lol hapened to me with the note2 i had, i recomnd being patient im sure our devs wont let us down:good:
Thanks to all!
That was exactly what I was wanting to know!
I really appreciate the info!
Love this site!

[Q] GPE vs Unlock bootloader guaranteed (factory UL?)

I'm looking to buy a Z Ultra in order to better support my FM apps on the Xperia Z* line of phones and tablets.
I understand GPE is guaranteed to be bootloader unlockable, and can be had at Expansys new for US $350 now.
But there are more ROMs and other development for the non-GPE models. Someone was working on a tool to convert non-GPE ROMs to GPE, but that doesn't seem too fruitful so far I guess. Maybe in future... ?
The problem with non-GPE Z Ultras is that many are bootloaded locked, and it seems very difficult to guarantee any Ultra bought is bootloader unlockable.
There are slightly used Z Ultras on EBay here in Canada for about $280 US. Good price, and the ads say "Unlocked" (Factory not specified, so I'd guess aftermarket SIM unlocked) but I understand Canadian Rogers phones are BL locked, and probably Canada Bell phones too.
I'd think that "Factory Unlocked" (for SIM of course) would imply BL unlockable, but I read posts here and there throwing doubt on that.
Anyone know that "Factory SIM Unlocked" from Hong Kong for example are guaranteed BL unlocked ?
Otherwise, I guess I'll just go the GPE route.
Thanks !
There are slightly used Z Ultras on EBay here in Canada for about $280 US. Good price, and the ads say "Unlocked" (Factory not specified, so I'd guess aftermarket SIM unlocked) but I understand Canadian Rogers phones are BL locked, and probably Canada Bell phones too.
I'd think that "Factory Unlocked" (for SIM of course) would imply BL unlockable, but I read posts here and there throwing doubt on that.
Anyone know that "Factory SIM Unlocked" from Hong Kong for example are guaranteed BL unlocked ?
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Bell and rodgers ZUs are both bootloader locked, and I think some un the UK (t-mobile?) were as well. I would think that any others should be bootloader unlockable. My two (one from SG and the other may be from HK?) both were unlockable.
Someone was working on a tool to convert non-GPE ROMs to GPE, but that doesn't seem too fruitful so far I guess
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I was working on a tool, but as I dont have a GPe it was difficult and I gave up. I think the only real bug left was baseband related, so no radio.
blueether said:
Bell and rodgers ZUs are both bootloader locked, and I think some un the UK (t-mobile?) were as well. I would think that any others should be bootloader unlockable. My two (one from SG and the other may be from HK?) both were unlockable.
I was working on a tool, but as I dont have a GPe it was difficult and I gave up. I think the only real bug left was baseband related, so no radio.
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Thanks.
I actually decided to go for a Z2 Tablet straight from Sony for now. Deal seemed good; equivalent of $440 US.
Should be BL unlockable buying direct.
Z Ultra may be in my future still.

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