Multitouch Tester on Amazon Appstore has revealed the NT has only 2 points of touch. I dont really need the 10 or 11 points like the Samsung Galaxy 10.1 or the iPad 2 respectively but 2 points makes playing some games annoying.
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Is multitouch limited by hardware or software so that the 2 points can be made into 3+? If I can't change it then I will be very sad and grumpy.
I was playing fruit ninja. Did not work too well...
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I was attempting to throw grenades while running and gunning in Age of Zombies. Did not work too well for me either.
In all honesty though the only tablet that has the TI core that the NT is running right now and is not the Fire (Internal storage too small for plane trips) is uh...nothing. As such I am loathe to return this but if this is a hardware limitation then I will be as mentioned above.
some one else to confirm this the guy at barnes & noble don't have no idea is more than 2 points of touch on the NT ?
if you look at the ifixit breakdown you can see that the controller chip document states..... "True Multi-touch with up to 10 Points of Absolution X and
Y Coordinates"
Does that mean that its software limited and not hardware limited?
Alternate reading of that would be 10 decimal points of precision.
Given the way they spelled "Absolution" for Absolute (if that is theirs), I would not be surprised.
i noticed this limitation aswell. When you open up the keyboard you can only press 2 keys at once. I could of sworn that multiple keys lit up on my transformer keyboard when they were pressed with more than 2 fingers.
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Was on engadget today and saw that rockstar is going to release GTA 3 for the following devices.
Apple iOS Devices: iPad 1 & 2, iPhone 4 & 4S, iPod touch 4th Generation
Android Phones: HTC Rezound, LG Optimus 2x, Motorola Atrix 4G, Motorola Droid X2, Motorola Photon 4G, Samsung Galaxy R, T-Mobile G2x
Android Tablets: Acer Iconia, Asus Eee Pad Transformer, Dell Streak 7, LG Optimus Pad, Motorola Xoom, Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 and 10.1, Sony Tablet S, Toshiba Thrive
Think we have a shot or not enough power?
We definitely don't have enough power because we can barely run any of the higher end games (shadowgun) I'm sure that well be able to get it running, but probably terribly. Also this game doesn't even have that great of graphics... just bad optimization
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Shadowgun runs fine for me on one of the later nightlies overclocked to 1.2ghz. I also have GangStar running with no issues to.
motitas said:
We definitely don't have enough power because we can barely run any of the higher end games (shadowgun) I'm sure that well be able to get it running, but probably terribly. Also this game doesn't even have that great of graphics... just bad optimization
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GT racing, Asphalt 6, Modern Combat 2, Sacred Odyssey all run great for me. That being said with Gameloft already having Gangstar (which runs great BTW) there isn't much need for an actual GTA. GTA3 might be worth it if there was a way to put the Real GTA mod on it.
fine, fine maybe shadowgun was a bad example but what about 9mm, riptide, fast five, dungeon defenders, etc. those don't even force you to have a dual core device... remember we're pushing 1024x600(thats 614,400) pixels of 3D on old hardware... also I'm not so sure about the definition of "it runs fine" these days. Some people seem to convince themselves that things run great when they're not (myself included)
gallahad2000 said:
GT racing, Asphalt 6, Modern Combat 2, Sacred Odyssey all run great for me. That being said with Gameloft already having Gangstar (which runs great BTW) there isn't much need for an actual GTA. GTA3 might be worth it if there was a way to put the Real GTA mod on it.
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How did you get the crosshair in the middle, the damage indication, and the dragable looking area to fill the whole screen??? I've tried tons of different versions to no avail I've even looked at your thread and used the version listed to no avail. thanks in advance
yea gangstar makes gta3 look kind of dated.
I did notice a bunch of slowdowns trying high quality games on my Nook however a second later I noticed I was running on the conservative governor and facepalmed myself.
Switched to performance governor and everything was a breeze...
One way or another, we won't know until it's released, right?
I wouldn't be surprised if it runs. The NC is a little gem. That said, how is it going to playable on a touchscreen? And... an honest question... is GTA III really that fun? I just picked it up in a steam pack and it didn't take too long for me to move onto Vice City (and then stop playing that a little while later). It'll probably be more impressive to run on a phone/tablet but it felt like an early tech demo compared to a lot of "modern" games.
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I wouldn't be surprised if it runs. The NC is a little gem. That said, how is it going to playable on a touchscreen? And... an honest question... is GTA III really that fun? I just picked it up in a steam pack and it didn't take too long for me to move onto Vice City (and then stop playing that a little while later). It'll probably be more impressive to run on a phone/tablet but it felt like an early tech demo compared to a lot of "modern" games.
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The entire screen is bound to controls, take a look at the picture of it on engadget... its a little overwhelming
Touchscreen controls urgh...
I still pair a PS3 Controller via Bluetooth every time I play PS1 / N64 games on my Nook... I really hope they add Bluetooth Controller support to the game.
Yeah, having real controller support would be nice. I did see the screenshots, and it's just really hard to play games with a virtual d-pad and even just *two* buttons (to me), let alone 6 or 8, especially when it includes what are supposed to be shoulder buttons.
On a side note, I mucked around a little with the onlive app, and that suffers from the same thing (the virtual controls). That said, OnLive does have newer, more compelling games, although it requires a constant, good data connection.
Nook Color seems to me to be able to push Dreamcast level graphics at 1024x600. Most games with that level of graphics seem to run at around 20-30fps at best.
The main reason GTA3 is so much more demanding than seems reasonable is that it's a sandbox game with a large, open world. It's not all that much different than say Elder Scrolls.
Game is out now and market says it should work on the NC. https://market.android.com/details?id=com.rockstar.gta3 Anyone got it to work?
It hangs Nook dead rght after intro movies. CM 7.1.0 Stable.
With chainfire nvidia plugin,screen stays black upon launching the app
soooo I take it as a no go. Darn. Well it works on my electrify but as stated earlier the controls take up way to much room. I'll try a wiimote I guess.
Anyone have any luck getting this to run? Would think it would be possible to and to control it with a PS3 controller connected via bluetooth.
Got it to work! Download GTA 3 version 1.1, use chainfire 3D and set default plugin to POWERVR, awful cellphone video below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKN9QRGq09E
EDIT: Will test more in the morning, jump to 1:00 to see 30 seconds of "gameplay" before I flip the car
why do we have to use the powervr plugin? nook color actually has a powervr gpu
I didnt need any plug in. I installed CM7 last night and gta was in "my apps" and it runs better than on my shift. Lol
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Here is a video showing that you can play Skyrim on the Transformer Prime using Splashtop THD and an XBOX remtote.
http://phandroid.com/2012/01/10/playing-skyrim-on-the-asus-transformer-prime-ces-2012/
"It only works when you combine an NVIDIA GeForce powered desktop computer with an NVIDIA Tegra 3 tablet, but the combination is impressive to say the least. Splashtop packetizes the video and delivers it via Wi-Fi to the Transformer Prime’s screen with minimal loss in video quality. With an XBOX remote connected directly to the Transformer Prime, we were playing Skyrim on our Android tablet as if it were no big deal."
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I know that must be cool. I just wish Bethesda would go on an create some games for tegra3 platform. I'd love to natively play Elderscrolls up here on the prime. Even if it was either of the older Xbox versions like Morrowind.
I admit that would be the best way. Maybe with the Android tablets getting more power for gaming, some of these game manufacturers might consider doing versions for tablets.
comatoast70 said:
I admit that would be the best way. Maybe with the Android tablets getting more power for gaming, some of these game manufacturers might consider doing versions for tablets.
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technically Tegra3 does have the power to do it, to some extent. Its just a matter of the developers hoping on board for Android/Tegra3 platform. If ipad1,with inferior specs, could have companies like epic use unreal engine and produce games like Infinity Blade or Rage HD, then it should be no Hassle at all to produce stuff for Tegra3.
I would also think that the Tegra SoC's offer a GPU more familiar to PC game developers than something like the Adreno's and stuff commonly in phones. But face facts: the count of Tegra chips out there versus iPads = not worth the money unless you already can do it for low investment, or are already seriously invested in Android game development.
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technically Tegra3 does have the power to do it, to some extent. Its just a matter of the developers hoping on board for Android/Tegra3 platform. If ipad1,with inferior specs, could have companies like epic use unreal engine and produce games like Infinity Blade or Rage HD, then it should be no Hassle at all to produce stuff for Tegra3.
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The game The Dark Meadow will be released Q1 2012 and is based on the Unreal 3 engine. So it looks like there might be hope.
From NVIDIA TegraZone
The Dark Meadow
Description
By incorporating high resolution textures and atmospheric real-time lighting effects, The Dark Meadow offers a haunting experience for your NVIDIA® Tegra™ powered mobile device.
By maximizing the graphic and gameplay horsepower of the Unreal Engine 3, The Dark Meadow by Phosphor Games Studio delivers a stunning first-person, action/adventure game where players fight to escape a dark fairytale world filled with fantastical creatures bent on destroying them.
Features:
Console quality graphics: Built to take advantage of the Unreal Engine 3.
Tegra enhanced: Taps into the multi-core processing power of the NVIDIA Tegra family of processors.
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I tried playing swtor through splashtop and using a mouse to control the camera didn't work out so well.
hairdewx said:
I tried playing swtor through splashtop and using a mouse to control the camera didn't work out so well.
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This demo used a new version of Splashtop, Splashtop THD. It is specifically designed to run only with the Tegra processor. It only works when you combine an NVIDIA GeForce powered desktop computer with an NVIDIA Tegra 3 tablet.
Is your PC running an ATI or NVIDIA graphics card?
damn, i never saw that bit about "nvidia only" until now. very disappointing..
do you think this will work with a mac running an NVIDIA GPU
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This demo used a new version of Splashtop, Splashtop THD. It is specifically designed to run only with the Tegra processor. It only works when you combine an NVIDIA GeForce powered desktop computer with an NVIDIA Tegra 3 tablet.
Is your PC running an ATI or NVIDIA graphics card?
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My PC has an ATI card.
However, the issue is with how the mouse is controlled, not performance. Moving the mouse on the tablet does not move the mouse on the PC until after you either touch the screen or click the mouse. Holding down the mouse button to move created some weird effect which caused the camera to move erratically...
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My PC has an ATI card.
However, the issue is with how the mouse is controlled, not performance. Moving the mouse on the tablet does not move the mouse on the PC until after you either touch the screen or click the mouse. Holding down the mouse button to move created some weird effect which caused the camera to move erratically...
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I'm running a prime with an ATI powered PC as well, had success connecting and starting the game in windowed mode and moving about with the WASD controlls on the keyboard, but like you, I also had major issues with the camera trying to use a mouse. I couldn't get it to run smoothly as the camera swung around wildly.
Has anyone had success with this? And if so, what were the steps/setting used? This has been a major disappointment!
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I know that must be cool. I just wish Bethesda would go on an create some games for tegra3 platform. I'd love to natively play Elderscrolls up here on the prime. Even if it was either of the older Xbox versions like Morrowind.
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The TFP could easily run Morrowind or even Oblivion if Bethesda wanted to port them. They could actually make a lot of money if they did, but the chance is slim.
Oblivion runs on medium graphics very smoothly on my Windows 8 Acer W500. There's no doubt that the TFP could handle Oblivion.
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I'm running a prime with an ATI powered PC as well, had success connecting and starting the game in windowed mode and moving about with the WASD controlls on the keyboard, but like you, I also had major issues with the camera trying to use a mouse. I couldn't get it to run smoothly as the camera swung around wildly.
Has anyone had success with this? And if so, what were the steps/setting used? This has been a major disappointment!
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From what I could gather from the video was that it was run using a different version of Splashtop than the one installed on our Primes. It will be Splashtop THD and is not available as of yet. Maybe this new version will have better mouse/trackpad support. This demo was showing what is to come, not what is currently available.
xAnimal5 said:
The TFP could easily run Morrowind or even Oblivion if Bethesda wanted to port them. They could actually make a lot of money if they did, but the chance is slim.
Oblivion runs on medium graphics very smoothly on my Windows 8 Acer W500. There's no doubt that the TFP could handle Oblivion.
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I have a feeling high quality gaming will take off very soon. Soon developers who makes games for apples will want the Android piece of pie also. More money to be made as more people own Android devices. Tegra3 optimized games or games geared towards high end tablets like this will pop up soon.
cordell507 said:
do you think this will work with a mac running an NVIDIA GPU
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I saw on a local news last night showing some of whats at the macworld. One of which is the company that created splashtop and they had a Macbook connected to another windows laptop. They werent showing games though but just the windows screen on the mac. I assume its the non THD version mac version. I heard the rep mention splashtop (they didnt say THD) is available for iphone, ipad, and android. but I assume splashtop THD can and will probably be used across all platforms eventually if it were to follow splashtops (non THD) footstep.
Using the pre-installed Splashtop Remote Desktop app, I was able to run and successfully play Civilization V in windowed mode at my native desktop resolution (1680x1050) and it worked perfectly. Again, I'm using a TF201 and a windows based PC and ATI card.
With Skyrim it is boiling down to simply not being able to control the camera using a USB mouse plugged into the keyboard dock. Games which do not require extensive camera movement (real time strategies, the Sims, etc) they work perfectly and actually transition well to a touch screen.
Hopefully future updates will help. Also I'm going to continue to tweak around with game settings. If anyone else is having success, let me know.
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Here is a video showing that you can play Skyrim on the Transformer Prime using Splashtop THD and an XBOX remtote.
http://phandroid.com/2012/01/10/playing-skyrim-on-the-asus-transformer-prime-ces-2012/
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I used to play skyrim on my prime but then I took an arrow to the knee.
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jdeoxys said:
I used to play skyrim on my prime but then I took an arrow to the knee.
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you had to go there Haha
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jdeoxys said:
I used to play skyrim on my prime but then I took an arrow to the knee.
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Why do some people randomly say that? Lol. Let me in on the joke..I don't get it lol
I'm loving my NT---and I'm sure I'll love it even more when we start getting custom roms that newbs like me can install hehe---but I noticed something while playing games.
Now, I got my NT spoofed for Nexus S, and I found that when playing Modern Combat 3, I can only use two points of contact at a time (ex. Joystick and firing). If I try to use three points of contact (ex. Joystick, aiming, and firing) something gets left out. This suggests to me that the NT is dual-touch, not multi-touch.
Is this a software thing or a hardware thing? And if a software thing, is there "an app for that"?
Thanks
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I'm loving my NT---and I'm sure I'll love it even more when we start getting custom roms that newbs like me can install hehe---but I noticed something while playing games.
Now, I got my NT spoofed for Nexus S, and I found that when playing Modern Combat 3, I can only use two points of contact at a time (ex. Joystick and firing). If I try to use three points of contact (ex. Joystick, aiming, and firing) something gets left out. This suggests to me that the NT is dual-touch, not multi-touch.
Is this a software thing or a hardware thing? And if a software thing, is there "an app for that"?
Thanks
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This is something I have definitely been wondering about. If/when we get ics up and running on this bad boy, is this dual touch going to still be a problem?
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We have a 16x28 point sensor grid. Its in the kernel configuration surely.
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We have a 16x28 point sensor grid. Its in the kernel configuration surely.
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That is good news for sure. I hope you're 100% correct.
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hrm.. actually, I'm sorry.. this is from my past experience with samsung multitouch devices and some research that I've been doing on our screen while trying to get ubuntu operational. Upon further investigation... apparently there is a special chip which contains firmware that talks between the kernel and the touchscreen. It is entirely possible that this chip is programmed to only handle 2 fingers.
So I had my appointment with nvidia today and they were showing off every tegra 3 game on a prime. They had about 4 on display and had two HTC one x phones there. It was nice to see.
I talked with a tech there who works on tegra 3. He says he has the prime as his main machine. And are quick to fix and problems that ate nvidia related. Other bugs are sent to google . And... Few stuff said off record... But nvidia loves the prime
Was also at a Hawken party and the game was being shown streaming on a prime via gaikai.
So plenty of love for the 201 here at e3
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I'd love to hear the "off the record" stuff... I suspect it would give us some insight as to what is going Prime-wise.
For a flagship tablet from a company with a "Happiness 2.0" slogan, there's definitely something we're not being told.
I have to wonder how many developer resources Asus has working on the Prime...
Based on how slow they're being to get the Prime running properly (fyi, I'm very pro-Asus, or used to be at least, but we're 6-months in, that's not a trivial amount of time), it seems like either the problems they're trying to overcome are chronic design flaws, or they've shifted all their developer resources to new product development and only have a skeleton support crew working on the Prime.
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So I had my appointment with nvidia today and they were showing off every tegra 3 game on a prime. They had about 4 on display and had two HTC one x phones there. It was nice to see.
I talked with a tech there who works on tegra 3. He says he has the prime as his main machine. And are quick to fix and problems that ate nvidia related. Other bugs are sent to google . And... Few stuff said off record... But nvidia loves the prime
Was also at a Hawken party and the game was being shown streaming on a prime via gaikai.
So plenty of love for the 201 here at e3
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Would like to say but he is a reader here.
He did say the 300 and 201 were pretty much the same internally so problems resolved on the 300 should be on the 201 once Asus releases the update which they can't control , minus the GPS and WiFi of course
And he never saw a GPS dongle til I showed it to him and was disappointed there was no power pass through . He was like eh. It's ok.
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Hmmm.... Maybe this mystery man was Demandarin
Did io performance come up?
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No but if I have time I will stop back and ask
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Every pad at the nyko booth was running a prime with the nyko Bluetooth controller that they are building in conjunction with NVIDIA
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Prime is a great device(when you have a good one). SO i can easily see why its Nvidia favorite tablet. ALthough there are several other tegra 3 tabs out now, most major tech sites still consider the Prime the best out of all of them, despite some known issues affecting some primes. The prime was the tablet who started this new wave of technology like being the first quad core(really 5 core, 4+1) tablet and being most powerful and having the best battery life of any android tablet(acer owns that battery title now but prime with dock has longer battery life than it)
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Hmmm.... Maybe this mystery man was Demandarin
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LOL we'll never know
ps hey demandarin - what's up?
/troll
I love my prime too and through all benchmarks scores online it still wins in all. But the truth be told is that I expected more in terms of normal use.
I am talking about browser issues, games that slow down or force close and Nvidia (who I love for my graphics) where are the custom Nvidia themes for Tegra devices. I would love my prime to start with a "The way its meant to be played"
All I am saying the prime has the potential and Nvidia has the driver so looking forward to seeing what happens!
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Dear guys
I just have bought a Transformer prime. I tried to test some games that use tilts and I had some problems. For example when I tried Heavy Gunner 1.0.7, axis of the sensor went wrong when x axis become Y and Y-axis become X but when I replaced it by the newer version 1.0.8, everything turned into normal. The same things happened to me when I tried different versions of Asphalt 6 when 1.0.8 version worked. Some other games always goes wrong with all the versions I tried such as GT racing. Additionally, I tried some accelerometer tester and most of them show that this function in my tablet work normal except the software called "android sensor box". So finally, in my own opinion, I conclude that this may be a software issues when some games are not compatible with the NVIDIA tegra 3 chip of the tablet as I heard from some reviews on other forums. But some people claimed that this is a hardware issues as the link below. This tablet is a 2nd ones and the former owner gives me 3 days to test. So if this is a hardware issue, I need to return it to him and take back my money. Does anybody experienced the same problems as me or does anyone can give me a reasonable explanation please answer me as soon as possible.
Thanks
http://www.transformerforums.com/forum/transformer-prime-help/19812-accelerometer-issues.html