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The thread in the dev section was shut down by the mods for having an external link. Ziggy does not want to maintain a thread of his own on xda since he already maintains his site. So if any of you want to find his kernels, you can google ziggy471.
I have found his kernels to be beasts both for the inc and for the bolt. And have helped him test those for both devices. If anybody wishes to ask questions, feel free to do so on his site. He is very responsive.
Finally, I'm not sure why xda cares so much about external links. Its not as though they share ad revenue with devs who actually drive business to the site with their work!
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I also agree, used Ziggy kernels on previous devices and they were great.
Thanks for the info, ill be trying his kernel for the tbolt now
Its dumb that they don't allow externel links...
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Hold on a second... A lot of devs link to their external sites... This is not unusual... Is this a new rule?
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I assume it's because his site contains a pseudo-blog. They don't allow that.
If the external site is purely downloads-only it's typically allowed. None of the mods ever had issue with devs hosting files on my site and linking to them.
Not sure why they are enforcing that now but the storm thread was also locked down for a short while.
And you are right, many of the threads have external links. I'm curiously watching which threads they go after and which ones are holy cows.
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Been running the 4-6 Kernel on the Virus ROM 3.1 and it rocks
Just to clarify, yes my thread was closed due to external links but that's not the whole story. From what I understood from the moderator all kernels posted on xda has to be complaint to the GPL. I can post links to his kernel only if ziggy provides a link to his source. Will contact ziggy later for this info if possible so I can get my thread open again.
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Just to clarify, yes my thread was closed due to external links but that's not the whole story. From what I understood from the moderator all kernels posted on xda has to be complaint to the GPL. I can post links to his kernel only if ziggy provides a link to his source. Will contact ziggy later for this info if possible so I can get my thread open again.
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That's my understanding too. XDA is really big on being compliant with GPL. When someone asks for a kernel source and there is no response, 99.9/100 XDA will close the thread.
But if Ziggy is well known then why would they assume he was doing something damaging with his kernels?
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Been running the 4-6 Kernel on the Virus ROM 3.1 and it rocks
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Doesn't it though?
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But if Ziggy is well known then why would they assume he was doing something damaging with his kernels?
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It has nothing to do with that. XDA adheres to the GPL, and so should he. He is breaking the license by not posting his source. By the way, check his github. He is not publishing it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=755389
Anyone remember the stink we had over HTC doing the same thing?
I have never fully understood the gpl thing. Can somebody explain what it means in non legal terms? Why isn't it a problem if google does not release their honeycomb source code? I'm confused. Also, does this apply only to kernels or to roms too? And finally are there any carve outs for developer's to create unique code for themselves? Or if I decide to modify something for myself, I have to share it, github etc.
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By the way, it was never a thread he started. It was posted by somebody else to start a discussion on xda about his kernels. Ziggy had never really cared to be on xda himself. He did not have a thread on the inc kernels either. And none of us cared, because all knew where to get them.
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Then get them there.
Posting them here requires adherence to the GPL.
As mentioned earlier, it was not his thread. We have always gotten them from his site. Somebody else started a discussion thread for the benefit of users. I was surprised on seeing the thread because he found maintaining a thread too much work and xda also is not the correct format.
If the gpl license terms have to be applied always, can we please also ban all miui threads too? Lets not be hypocritical. Miui has never released its source code either yet their threads thrive.
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As mentioned earlier, it was not his thread. We have always gotten them from his site. Somebody else started a discussion thread for the benefit of users. I was surprised on seeing the thread because he found maintaining a thread too much work and xda also is not the correct format.
If the gpl license terms have to be applied always, can we please also ban all miui threads too? Lets not be hypocritical. Miui has never released its source code either yet their threads thrive.
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Miui is not GPL. Hardly relevant.
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Ziggy's BFS kernel is amazing. Trying it out now and I still have 58% left after 7 hours. Wow...love this kernel! And that's with pretty heavy use. Its a keeper!
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Miui is not GPL. Hardly relevant.
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Why is that not gpl? Its an android rom. Why would they be exempted from what cyanogen follows?
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khanam said:
Why is that not gpl? Its an android rom. Why would they be exempted from what cyanogen follows?
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HTC only has to post there code for kernals not sense. Same with miui. Cyanogen is open source by choice, a community rom
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Why is that not gpl? Its an android rom. Why would they be exempted from what cyanogen follows?
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Kernel=GPL.
Rom= mix of proprietary and Apache licensed source.
Apache does NOT require you to release your source.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_mobile_uffda&num=1
Now I know you're going to call me paranoid....but I have been seeing a progressive shortening of battery life on my device as we progressively move into more advanced custom kernels created by our lovely devs
Anyone care to discuss?
** it has been pointed out to me we are still not this far along in kernels...still an interesting read
Should be in general not development
i only put it here because in "general" this would more directly impact "development", target audience and all.....i suppose they can move if they like, but just so you know, i did ponder that for a minute..
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i only put it here because in "general" this would more directly impact "development", target audience and all.....i suppose they can move if they like, but just so you know, i did ponder that for a minute..
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You know there's no "they". Only mod can move it.
You've just been Fascinated
they refers to the collective known as "the mods"
what the hell is going on around here anyways with the obsession with "posts being in the wrong place"....and by that i dont mean any disrespect, but thats why you have mods, to move to errant thread or two, why is it lately the only thing people want to respond with is, "you should have posted this in ______ section" instead of actually responding to the thread topic....????
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they refers to the collective known as "the mods"
what the hell is going on around here anyways with the obsession with "posts being in the wrong place"....and by that i dont mean any disrespect, but thats why you have mods, to move to errant thread or two, why is it lately the only thing people want to respond with is, "you should have posted this in ______ section" instead of actually responding to the thread topic....????
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honestly if its not a rom/mod release or a legitimate development discussion like "how to build kernels or roms" or something it doesnt belong here..that is all
this isnt to flame at all...and our mod said only the first person to post should say "wrong section" if someone had posted before me i wouldnt have posted it
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honestly if its not a rom/mod release or a legitimate development discussion like "how to build kernels or roms" or something it doesnt belong here..that is all
this isnt to flame at all...and our mod said only the first person to post should say "wrong section" if someone had posted before me i wouldnt have posted it
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I personally think if its a development related discussion it belongs here. Not to say this post has any direct relation to "current development" There doesn't have to be a zip or a side load or a script to be a development related post.
Maybe our development sections (for all devices) should have restricted access to post unless the mods deem the memeber a developer. Read/write and read only type scenario. :-/
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A lot of people seem to care because as we mostly come to this forum to check the latest in rom and kernel development. With so much happening right now with updates coming here is like reading the news headlines. This post where it is, is well more like spam. Also because the battery life issue has been discussed many many times across the board and solutions given have worked for most. also need [] containing the tag of the thread.
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I personally think if its a development related discussion it belongs here. Not to say this post has any direct relation to "current development" There doesn't have to be a zip or a side load or a script to be a development related post.
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fair enough...threads like this without specific aims toward developing/improving our phone just clutter this subforum that frankly the vast majority of poeple come to for roms/kernels/mods..
if this is a linux/android specific discussion then the general android development forum or something...because i dont think this relates to anything that will specifically do anything for our phones
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fair enough...threads like this without specific aims toward developing/improving our phone just clutter this subforum that frankly the vast majority of poeple come to for roms/kernels/mods..
if this is a linux/android specific discussion then the general android development forum or something...because i dont think this relates to anything that will specifically do anything for our phones
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True android general development would probably be more suited... but it is an interesting article and lends some evidence toward my 5 hour tbolt life lol.
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True android general development would probably be more suited... but it is an interesting article and lends some evidence toward my 5 hour tbolt life lol.
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I don't own a tbolt but seems to be a lot of talk on the 4g not playing to nice. Think it was acting like wifi when it couldn't get a good 4g connection, trying, failing, reverting to 3g, then repeating. Again don't have one so just repeating what others have said, i'm sure theres lots on the sit in the tbolt forum. Whatever the exact issue is, its most likely centered on the lte radio.
Nice article. Relates directly to the biggest issue of all android devices. Good performance = bad battery. This helps clarify that. KEEP IN ANDROID [email protected]!
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A lot of people seem to care because as we mostly come to this forum to check the latest in rom and kernel development. With so much happening right now with updates coming here is like reading the news headlines. This post where it is, is well more like spam. Also because the battery life issue has been discussed many many times across the board and solutions given have worked for most. also need [] containing the tag of the thread.
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Maybe there needs to be a separate section for "Releases" then if this article honestly really ruined you visit like Spam. Where do people discuss development issues if not in the development section? This section like you pointed out is where everyone comes to get the latest rom or kernel. Seems to me that warrants its own Release section.....oh wait....that's why the mods asked those types of threads to be titled specifically in a format that makes that obvious. Then the discussion threads could co-exist in the same section without being considered "Spam"
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Another good thread ruined by backseat moderators.
Good article.
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Nice article. Relates directly to the biggest issue of all android devices. Good performance = bad battery. This helps clarify that. KEEP IN ANDROID [email protected]!
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I still fail to see where *anything* is being developed :/
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Another good thread ruined by backseat moderators.
Good article.
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Lol. I was just reading all the responses and thought...wow, they're really talking about the thread being moved for this long.
i dont need a signature
It is a good article and it is development related. Just because its not a rom, kernel zip, script, apk or system dump doesn't disqualify it from the development forum.
(Though android general may have been a better option as stated previously.)
Spend as much time policing your own actions as you do trolling threads like a lynch mob and maybe things will get to the way they used to be on this site.
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Maybe there needs to be a separate section for "Releases" then if this article honestly really ruined you visit like Spam. Where do people discuss development issues if not in the development section? This section like you pointed out is where everyone comes to get the latest rom or kernel. Seems to me that warrants its own Release section.....oh wait....that's why the mods asked those types of threads to be titled specifically in a format that makes that obvious. Then the discussion threads could co-exist in the same section without being considered "Spam"
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Lol I actually like the thought of kernels, roms, mods, odins, radios, and such having there own place. Like keeping up with the latest works here, for other news clips and links I look elsewhere.
Oh, I'm sorry if you think I implied this ruined the forum. Just felt it detracted from it
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It is a good article and it is development related. Just because its not a rom, kernel zip, script, apk or system dump doesn't disqualify it from the development forum.
(Though android general may have been a better option as stated previously.)
Spend as much time policing your own actions as you do trolling threads like a lynch mob and maybe things will get to the way they used to be on this site.
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yeah if there was a "development discussion" section that would be best....as if all the articles available out that could be posted like this to foster discussion ended up in here.......well it would really clutter stuff up
my own personal opinion (and its not worth anything) is that the development section is best served as a release...and discussion of said release...section...i mean thats what 95% of us treat it as...and have been accustomed to having it as such
It looked promising, and then the thread got closed. Honestly not trying to troll, just wondering what happened and if we'll see the kernel again.
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It looked promising, and then the thread got closed. Honestly not trying to troll, just wondering what happened and if we'll see the kernel again.
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I read somewhere Ziggy doesn't release his source so its not allowed on xda
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I read somewhere Ziggy doesn't release his source so its not allowed on xda
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Hmm, ok. I think his Evo kernels are up though, no?
The Ziggy kernel was pulled for no release of source and a lack of advanced permission before extraction and posting, per XDA policy. I'd like to point out the value of this policy. Developing Android constitutes an acceptance of the GPL covering Android. To develop and release Android without providing source code is a violation of the GPL. Big deal, right? It is. They are effectively stealing from the community. The GPL is what's allowed them the freedom to develop that code. It doesn't entitle them to own their work on it. Under GPL, it becomes community property. In not releasing source, they are stealing the opportunity from other to do what they have done and stealing the community-owned GPL work that is Android.
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The Ziggy kernel was pulled for no release of source and a lack of advanced permission before extraction and posting, per XDA policy. I'd like to point out the value of this policy. Developing Android constitutes an acceptance of the GPL covering Android. To develop and release Android without providing source code is a violation of the GPL. Big deal, right? It is. They are effectively stealing from the community. The GPL is what's allowed them the freedom to develop that code. It doesn't entitle them to own their work on it. Under GPL, it becomes community property. In not releasing source, they are stealing the opportunity from other to do what they have done and stealing the community-owned GPL work that is Android.
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Kernel is gpl. However everything else is apache and does not require source involuntary source disclose upon modification and release.
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Kernel is gpl. However everything else is apache and does not require source involuntary source disclose upon modification and release.
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Nonetheless, the kernel is GPLv2 and that does require source be freely available, as well as a copy of the licence. Incorporating that kernel in any ROM would render it an illegal work.
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Nonetheless, the kernel is GPLv2 and that does require source be freely available, as well as a copy of the licence. Incorporating that kernel in any ROM would render it an illegal work.
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Redundant post is redundant.
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Redundant post is redundant.
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The entire thread is, really. When entire threads just disappear, something was obviously very wrong with them. I mean, it's a Ziggy kernel! Who DOESN'T know they're not non-compliant??? I really shouldn't be the one to answer these questions. A moderator should, in my opinion.
Question answered in post 4, thread closed.
Did a bit of a search, couldn't find anything like this for the Samsung Galaxy S3... question is simple - what is your favourite ROM for the Galaxy S3, and why?
Until some of the recent Jelly Bean ROMs from Samsung have leaked, my favourite has been Cyanogenmod 10 nightlies. As much as I love the Google Experience with AOSP, I can't deny that Samsung have done a freaking good job on their Jelly Bean ROMs. I'm currently using the latest Omega v22 ROM and it's amazing. Some of the features in it are really breathtaking, and they have really make a good effort to make it easy to use for the end user, which doesn't help me, but it's a step in the right direction.
So what is your favorite ROM right now and why?
This kind of thread is not allowed on xda.
Best ROM is an personal thing.
Reported, so no need for anyone else to post here.
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This kind of thread is not allowed on xda.
Best ROM is an personal thing.
Reported, so no need for anyone else to post here.
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Sorry about that, didn't realise that it's against forum rules? Care to link where it says that? I've seen them in different device threads...
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Sorry about that, didn't realise that it's against forum rules? Care to link where it says that? I've seen them in different device threads...
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Look through the forum and see all the locked best ROM threads.
They bring out fanboys and can end up as flame wars.
I don't know where it says it in the rules, I just know that they aren't allowed here.
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All kinds of Best Rom/Kernel/etc threads are unwelcome, read, research and make your own mind up, as the question is very subjective
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1633868
Closed, try them for yourself and make up your own mind.
If you had searched you would have noticed many closed threads like this.
Hey all,
As some of you have probably noticed by now, we have a new Development section for original works. As explained in the portal article Introducing the Original Development Forums, these forums were found to be very useful in other sections and there has been a lot of requests to add them for more devices.
Please refer to the article for general guidelines on what is and isn't appropriate to post there, and if you have any questions feel free to ask in this thread or to PM any of the moderators about it.
Those using Tapatalk or the XDA app will probably need to refresh the forums list in order to see it. You can do this by going to the base forum view that list all of the different devices and refreshing or by unsubscribing and then resubscribing to this section.
Thank you for addressing our request
Who would I need to bring a list of those original development threads that still remain in the Android Development forum that need to transfer here?
-Neo
EDIT:
The following fall under the guidelines of First for the device/official/or heavily modified original kernel work:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1911297
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2074906
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1659210
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2071043
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2079282
It may take some time to sort through everything, but the best way to let us know is to PM one of us.
edit: Unless I'm missing something the MIUI and AOKP threads aren't even GPL compliant?
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It may take some time to sort through everything, but the best way to let us know is to PM one of us.
edit: Unless I'm missing something the MIUI and AOKP threads aren't even GPL compliant?
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lol
Busted!
Added to my signature thanks.
he didnt know where to put it. give him a break
I have moved a large amount of threads over to the Original Dev section. This mainly consisted of cm10/cm9/aokp/kernel threads that were source built. Please PM me or any other mod if you think your thread should be moved as well.
gotta say. you mods rock. thank you for everything you do.
I almost had a heart attack because I couldn't find my CyanogenMod mega threads!
Thought I was going to be banned or something.
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Hey all,
As some of you have probably noticed by now, we have a new Development section for original works. As explained in the portal article Introducing the Original Development Forums, these forums were found to be very useful in other sections and there has been a lot of requests to add them for more devices.
Please refer to the article for general guidelines on what is and isn't appropriate to post there, and if you have any questions feel free to ask in this thread or to PM any of the moderators about it.
Those using Tapatalk or the XDA app will probably need to refresh the forums list in order to see it. You can do this by going to the base forum view that list all of the different devices and refreshing or by unsubscribing and then resubscribing to this section.
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Ok, this explains a lot. I thought I was going nuts for a sec.
i wish we had a poll asking if we wanted this, iv always been agianst separating dev section, for the same thing, this just alienated and confuses the users.
I tend to agree with siul.
Do you know how much extra work is to have three main folders to check under each device? General / Development (read ROMS that are cool but came from another device) / and Original Development (ROMS that are still based on others work but have been tweaked/setup somewhat uniquely.)
Honest to God, those were my reactions. So I know where siul is coming from...how is MIUI in a different thread than AOKP? If you add a few apps that look different and don't ship with AOKP, is that suddenly original?
Again, not trying to start drama but just my two cents.
EDIT: Just read the whole justification for this. I get it, but still think it's another layer of stuff to sort through.
Bad idea change thing back to the old ways Please
This is bad Mostly for the user who are new i seen the other forum that are like this, not a good i idea doing this plus the developer hate going to one forum to the other just to set thing straight
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This is bad Mostly for the user who are new i seen the other forum that are like this, not a good i idea doing this plus the developer hate going to one forum to the other just to set thing straight
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i am confused too. It may look more obvious and understandable for devs only...
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i am confused too. It may look more obvious and understandable for devs only...
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Not really. I am not sure how my CM threads fall into original development.
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Not really. I am not sure how my CM threads fall into original development.
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Because all are built from source by the person posting them and not a rom modified from someone else's. It falls under the original development guidelines that are posted in the op of this thread.
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Because all are built from source by the person posting them and not a rom modified from someone else's. It falls under the original development guidelines that are posted in the op of this thread.
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Oh. I see original as something new and completely different.
Whatever.
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Because all are built from source by the person posting them and not a rom modified from someone else's. It falls under the original development guidelines that are posted in the op of this thread.
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I don't see how this works then, because none of my roms are based on someone else's work. and if what you say was true, then all aosp roms compiled from chad's git should be placed on the general dev section instead of the "original dev section" since everyone's aosp rom is based on his work(compiling it docent make it your work). And please understand im just trying to make a point here, no trying to be an ass or anything. i just hate the idea of roms being divided by 2 different dev sections. its just prone to confusion.
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I don't see how this works then, because none of my roms are based on someone else's work. and if what you say was true, then all aosp roms compiled from chad's git should be placed on the general dev section instead of the "original dev section" since everyone's aosp rom is based on his work(compiling it docent make it your work). And please understand im just trying to make a point here, no trying to be an ass or anything. i just hate the idea of roms being divided by 2 different dev sections. its just prone to confusion.
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That's what I think. All of the AOSP ROMs built from Chad's git are not original unless chad himself released a ROM.
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I think this new thread splt is to confusing. Now I have to check two places. Please revert to back
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I don't see how this works then, because none of my roms are based on someone else's work. and if what you say was true, then all aosp roms compiled from chad's git should be placed on the general dev section instead of the "original dev section" since everyone's aosp rom is based on his work(compiling it docent make it your work). And please understand im just trying to make a point here, no trying to be an ass or anything. i just hate the idea of roms being divided by 2 different dev sections. its just prone to confusion.
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I don't take your response to that effect in any way and no intent to malice received.
"The following are most likely not “Original Development”, and should be posted in the “Android Development” subforum:
Your own “unofficial” stock build of your favourite original, source-built (or otherwise) ROM, particularly where an official or maintainer-endorsed thread exists already."
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This plainly states that the self compiled roms belong on the Android Development forum so I side with you in that aspect. However, there is no official or maintainer version of CyanogenMod roms or AOKP thread available so unless Chad uploads his build in this forum as he rightfully could, these builds (from what I understand) can and should be posted here.
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