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So I have a completely original Neo, still on the on the original Gingerbread (2.3.3) it had and I don't quite know how to proceed.
The only thing I do know is that if at all possible I don't want to unlock the bootloader.
Ideally I want to back everything up before I do anything but from my understanding Titanium Backup needs root to back everything up so that creates a bit of a catch 22. Similarly installing CWM so that I can access recovery is risky and could break everything so I'd want a backup first but for that I need either root or recovery so another catch 22. So what would be the safest option?
Also I want to update to ICS, I figure it's about time I get my phone current, but I don't know in what order I should do that in either...
Should I gingerbreak my Gingerbread and then update to ICS?
Should I just update to ICS and then root?
Should I upgrade using generic firmware to a version supporting the zergRush root, then root and then continue updating to current ICS?
I'm fairly confident I can get everything right first time on any method (and I know what all the methods are/am to not to lazy to research the methods myself) but I just can't figure out the safest course of action here...other than staying on Gingerbread for the duration of my phone contract.
Any help you can give me is appreciated.
Start by reading the stickies in the development section, do some reading and you'll know
look at the stickies in neo v section too
Ok so you're saying I should follow the "noob's guide" exactly and try a zergRush Root first? (Skip unlocking the bootloader since it'm not interested in cutoms roms with custom kernels) and then install CWM and make a nandroid backup?
Ok....but that still doesn't tell me whether I should update first or root first?
Also I can't seem to tell from it's thread whether the zergRush root works on the latest ICS (I don't see mention of .431 in the thread with .62 apparently being the last version that worked so that would be a no then?)?
Also my case is different because I could actually even still root with Gingerbreak if that was best/safest unlike most people trying to root (I never downgraded either so I wouldn't be exposed to the 0% issue).
ZergRush method doesn't work on fw's after .42.
There is another method, which you can find in sticky thread in general section.
First update, then root, as root is gone after flas/update.
p.s. whatever you do, just don't flash android 2.3.2 on your phone after you flash 2.3.4, but there is no really point in going to that old fw, same as there is no point in still being on 2.3.3.
Root is only gone if I don't update OTA
SCHUMI_4EVER said:
Root is only gone if I don't update OTA
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Really? Thanks for telling me that..
I know that, I also know that you can't update from 2.3.3 to 4.0.4(which you said it's your initial goal, in your first post) via OTA. Or you can?
As far as I know I can but I admit I haven't checked yet. I don't see why once it's available for my region through the PC Suite it shouldn't also be available OTA.
Try and let us know.
It's not same if you're updating from x.x.x to x.x.y and from x.x.x to y.y.y, in first case OTA is possible, in second case I kinda doubt
I also didn't try, but if I remember correctly that's how it is.
Yeah but surely it should then just be 3 steps? So from x.x.x to x.x.y to y.y.y...that would would make sense to me anyways
Still reading up on a bit of other stuff then I'll check
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1973017
hope it helps..
Hi everyone. Im real good with tech but i cant find anyone having asked...
I want to go buy the S4 and I will definitely root it (following the posted instructions on here) but before i do, will i be able to instal OTA updates after and if not, is there another way id be able to install updates? I used Voodoo rootkeeper on my tablet after rooting and the 1st ota went fine and kept root, the 2nd ota killed the root even while using Voodoo...
Please, any any all responses asap appreciated. I want to get the phone asap as i am tired of my rooted Bionic.
Thank all.
bobstone said:
Hi everyone. Im real good with tech but i cant find anyone having asked...
I want to go buy the S4 and I will definitely root it (following the posted instructions on here) but before i do, will i be able to instal OTA updates after and if not, is there another way id be able to install updates? I used Voodoo rootkeeper on my tablet after rooting and the 1st ota went fine and kept root, the 2nd ota killed the root even while using Voodoo...
Please, any any all responses asap appreciated. I want to get the phone asap as i am tired of my rooted Bionic.
Thank all.
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Just wait for a rooted stock ROM based on the OTA to be made by a dev. You never NEED to take an OTA.
Thanks but im not sure what you mean. I have no interest in loading custom roms nor over-screwing around with the phone. Do you mean wait for another root process or wait for a download for an ota update?
Thanks again
Im guessing you mean a rom will be released again after the ota is out with the ota integrated in it... That process makes me kind of nervous as i need my phone for work as well as personal and cant risk screwing up the phone or erasing data eta...
There is pretty much always someone that releases the stock ROM flashable in a custom recovery so you can have a rooted stock ROM. Look at the dev beanstownm106 ROM in the development section. It is basically the stock ROM rooted with some very minor tweaks, but flashable with a custom recovery like TWRP.
BUT...there is almost never anything you can't do with basically any ROM that you can do with the stock ROM. So you really don't need the stock ROM...some people just prefer it. For my old Thunderbolt, it was pretty well known that for a long time there was a custom ROM, very similar to the stock ROM, that was more stable than stock (SkyRaider Zeus).
Another BUT: if you need Good for work, prepare for a constant fight with root detection. And you will want to back up your data often. I have a BB for work that I leave untouched (its not mine).
One more thing...the Loki workaround has its advantages...the bootloader is still locked and untouched, so it would be pretty hard to brick the device because you can get back into download mode and use odin to flash back to factory.
Whats the loki workaround? Also, im dont want to be doing any kind of flashing... I just simply want to root the s4 (which i now have) and be able to run ota updates or if not, download the ota and install the update manually. And if i get an ota, if it will kill root, even if i run voodoo.
Please, if someone could, let us all know if ota wont run or will kill root on say the s3 or s4 and if downloadable updates are another option... without flashing anything or going to crazy.
Thanks again in advance.
Hi,
First of all I'm new here so please don't be too hard on my nooby actions from the past.
I have a rooted Galaxy S3 and 6 months ago I wanted to flash custom roms. I've read a lot about it and thought I couldn't do anything wrong anymore, so I made a nandroid backup (to switch roms when I wanted to).
Now here comes the noob part I didn't read about or I've looked over, my stock rom was android version 4.1.2, and the new rom was 4.2, when I wanted to go back to stock I softbricked my Galaxy s3, it was stuck in a bootloop.
I managed to get into Clockwerk Recovery and fix it, though I don't remember how I did it. I ended up with a factory resetted stock rom, but I was happy everything worked again!
So everything was okay and now that a new update will be available, I wanted to check if the update was available in my country yet, but my phone said that it wouldn't update because my phone is customized, so I checked in download mode and it says flash count 1, custom binary and custom system storage.
Is there a way I can get my updates again without factory resetting my phone again or without flashing the stock rom again?
I would like my phone how it is now with all its data, but just be able to get the official updates.
Oh and I freezed some system apps and bloatware with app quarantine, maybe that's important too.
thanks in advance for the help!
No, you can't get official ota updates unless your phone is unmodified, yours is very much modified.
If you want to go back to full stock, unroot and remove flash count then there are guides in general forum, stickies. You'll lose all your data in the process.
Instead just flash the 4.3 stock rom using odin, you might not even need to factory reset doing this. Follow the guides again, back up your efs first.
Vinceee said:
Hi,
First of all I'm new here so please don't be too hard on my nooby actions from the past.
I have a rooted Galaxy S3 and 6 months ago I wanted to flash custom roms. I've read a lot about it and thought I couldn't do anything wrong anymore, so I made a nandroid backup (to switch roms when I wanted to).
Now here comes the noob part I didn't read about or I've looked over, my stock rom was android version 4.1.2, and the new rom was 4.2, when I wanted to go back to stock I softbricked my Galaxy s3, it was stuck in a bootloop.
I managed to get into Clockwerk Recovery and fix it, though I don't remember how I did it. I ended up with a factory resetted stock rom, but I was happy everything worked again!
So everything was okay and now that a new update will be available, I wanted to check if the update was available in my country yet, but my phone said that it wouldn't update because my phone is customized, so I checked in download mode and it says flash count 1, custom binary and custom system storage.
Is there a way I can get my updates again without factory resetting my phone again or without flashing the stock rom again?
I would like my phone how it is now with all its data, but just be able to get the official updates.
Oh and I freezed some system apps and bloatware with app quarantine, maybe that's important too.
thanks in advance for the help!
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you must be rooted first and make the flash counter 0. use triangle away for that. would be better to follow some guides available here at xda..
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boomboomer said:
No, you can't get official ota updates unless your phone is unmodified, yours is very much modified.
If you want to go back to full stock, unroot and remove flash count then there are guides in general forum, stickies. You'll lose all your data in the process.
Instead just flash the 4.3 stock rom using odin, you might not even need to factory reset doing this. Follow the guides again, back up your efs first.
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just by flashing 4.3 stock firmware from odin wont work, he will need to factory reset, else he may be stuck in boot loop..
Okay so if I understand correctly: I can't get the official updates directly from samsung, unless I factory reset + flash stock rom again (because now I'm also on stock but download mode says custom) + triangle away + unroot?
Now all I want is the official stock rom 4.3 of the Galaxy S3 + root (doesn't matter if it's done via odin), without losing what I have now.
Is this possible to do in any way?
I would think of
1. making a full nandroid backup
2. titanium backup
3. flash 4.3 rom + root
4. restore via titanium backup
will this work for what I want as a result?
I will read some guides too if I know that this is the way to go, I just want to be sure of everything before I do anything, I don't want to screw things up like last time..
And can I choose what 4.3 I download? (European or even more specific like Belgium in my case?)
Thanks again everyone!
Basics read first.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2344125
Critical you read the first two posts .
JJEgan said:
Basics read first.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2344125
Critical you read the first two posts .
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okay so I've read this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2362743 and there was a lot I already know (I'm not that new to rooting and stuff like that) but I didn't know the radio part yet, this gives me even more questions.
If I flash stock 4.3, will I have to flash a radio of my region too or won't the radio be effected by the rom flash?
I'm just confused now.. can somebody just help me with my questions? I'm not new to the forums I just never made an account, I've read many threads on here, watched videos, ect.
Thanks again
I would also do some reading up on the new 4.3 update whether you would want to upgrade to it or not when you fix the update problem because at the moment there are a few issues with it! All though that will change when bug fixes are released in the future but at the moment it has problems.
If I flash stock 4.3, will I have to flash a radio of my region too or won't the radio be effected by the rom flash?
Depends upon what region modem is in the firmware .
personally i am not updating to 4.3 until we get a better release .
Okay thanks for the advice everyone!
I will wait until a more stable version is released
And when it comes out, will titanium backup fix all my apps and paid apps as if the update was done officially?
What would be the steps I have to do, and please don't say google it or read every thread there is about rooting I came here for your help and clear answers, I need help from people who know more about this stuff because I'm no IT pro
Hello all, just wondering if there is a root yet for zv6. Im still on a rooted zv6 and dont want to upgrade for loss of root.
cpusmc said:
Hello all, just wondering if there is a root yet for zv6. Im still on a rooted zv6 and dont want to upgrade for loss of root.
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Do you meant you're on a rooted ZV4?
There is no root for ZV6, but there are pre-rooted ZV6 ROMs available.
Stock ZV6: http://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-lg-g3/development/rom-stock-zv6-base-odex-deodex-t2949087
Debloated, tweaked and improved AV6: http://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-lg-g3/development/rom-barrin-odexed-deodexed-t2950747
So pre rooted zv6 is the same? Hiw do i go about installing
cpusmc said:
So pre rooted zv6 is the same? Hiw do i go about installing
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Instructions are in the OP of the thread I linked to.
meyerweb said:
Do you meant you're on a rooted ZV4?
There is no root for ZV6, but there are pre-rooted ZV6 ROMs available.
Stock ZV6: http://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-lg-g3/development/rom-stock-zv6-base-odex-deodex-t2949087
Debloated, tweaked and improved AV6: http://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-lg-g3/development/rom-barrin-odexed-deodexed-t2950747
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again, i stress for clarity on these sites discussing ROM's, root etc.... please know what you are talking about when you post here. having a rooted zv6 and wondering if there is a root for zv6 is just nonsense. its the same thing. the only way to get root if you have the update (zv6) is to roll back to zv4, root, add custom recovery, then flash zv6 rooted rom to it. not just that easy, but fairly easy on most other devices. here, for the stock zv6 to zv4, i can not find any clear answer on the commands and DOES IT WORK. no one has posted with any success in attempting it. i find it hard to believe i can flash, wihtout recovery, to a rooted zv4 from the stock bootloader. do you know if this is possible meyerweb?
thanks
sgtduckyboy said:
again, i stress for clarity on these sites discussing ROM's, root etc.... please know what you are talking about when you post here. having a rooted zv6 and wondering if there is a root for zv6 is just nonsense. its the same thing. the only way to get root if you have the update (zv6) is to roll back to zv4, root, add custom recovery, then flash zv6 rooted rom to it. not just that easy, but fairly easy on most other devices. here, for the stock zv6 to zv4, i can not find any clear answer on the commands and DOES IT WORK. no one has posted with any success in attempting it. i find it hard to believe i can flash, wihtout recovery, to a rooted zv4 from the stock bootloader. do you know if this is possible meyerweb?
thanks
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I'm not really sure what you're asking. Are you currently on ZV4 or ZV6? Are you rooted or not?
(1) If you're on ZV4, you can root with Stump, then flash the bumped TWRP which unlocks the bootloader. (There's a thread on how to do this Search for "Bump" and make sure you use the Sprint version.) Then you can flash a pre-rooted ZV6 ROM.
(2) If you're on the factory, non-rooted ZV6 ROM, there's no way to root it. You'll have to use LG's flashtool to revert to the stock ZV4, then follow the steps above.
(3) If you're on a rooted ZV6, then you must have done the steps in (1), above already.
If you're asking if reverting to ZV4, then doing (1) above works, then yes. People have done it successfully. But using flashtool will wipe your phone and all data on internal storage.
meyerweb said:
I'm not really sure what you're asking. Are you currently on ZV4 or ZV6? Are you rooted or not?
(1) If you're on ZV4, you can root with Stump, then flash the bumped TWRP which unlocks the bootloader. (There's a thread on how to do this Search for "Bump" and make sure you use the Sprint version.) Then you can flash a pre-rooted ZV6 ROM.
(2) If you're on the factory, non-rooted ZV6 ROM, there's no way to root it. You'll have to use LG's flashtool to revert to the stock ZV4, then follow the steps above.
(3) If you're on a rooted ZV6, then you must have done the steps in (1), above already.
If you're asking if reverting to ZV4, then doing (1) above works, then yes. People have done it successfully. But using flashtool will wipe your phone and all data on internal storage.
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for me specifically, i'm asking about 2. i am on zv6, the way i got the phone unfortunately. but noone is saying if they have had success flashtooling back to zv4. i'm an htc and galaxy experienced phone user. have done those roots, recoveries, etc... but they even say, rolling back from a stock rom, non-rooted, is usually impossible, without first acquring root in current stock rom. i know they are publishing 'how-to's' on how to roll back to zv4 stock from zv6 stock, but there hasnt been any confirmation yet on the thread that i could tell. i even posted, asking if anyone has had success, but i do not see it yet. so i'm asking you, do you know if anyone has succeeded at flashtool to zv4 from zv6? i'm taking it, when you roll back to zv4, its stock, un-rooted, correct? i downloaded all the tools, tot's and dll but over two sets of instructions on what dll to use and when. so i'm not risking bricking this because once again, the guru's do not clarify to us 'underlings' the exact process. I had the same experience with the htc and galaxy phones. its like they are talking to each other only and the process is implied because of the experience. well after hundreds of resets , rom switches, etc with my galaxy, i think i get what they mean in that system of phones. but this LG is totally new and uses different terms, tools and processes. if they worked in IT they'd know what technical writing is, so i'm assuming they might be non-it people and thus the confusion on how to explain , in simple concise steps, so that others may join in. If they did that, more would join in and enable the community to grow exponentially. i've heard many IT freinds say they wont try it because they were confused, or it didnt make sense, or they heard the horror stories. I have lived the horror stories, but there is usually a way out of the boot loop or bricked device situation. problem is, with so little about the LG out there, i dont want to be waiting for weeks/months to get it back to work.
thanks for your help.
LG has not implemented an anti-rollback feature in ZV6 (like Samsung did on their more recent ROMs). And using Flashtool completely replaces all the existing partitions on your phone, so it doesn't care what was there before (rooted, not-rooted, ZV4 or 6, or anything else).
I don't see anyone confirming they did it, but it's been suggested many times, and I haven't seen anyone say it didn't work, either.
Edit: Here's a post from someone who did this successfully. Post # 186: http://forum.xda-developers.com/spr...g-g3-ls990-t2852042/post57504184#post57504184
sgtduckyboy said:
for me specifically, i'm asking about 2. i am on zv6, the way i got the phone unfortunately. but noone is saying if they have had success flashtooling back to zv4. i'm an htc and galaxy experienced phone user. have done those roots, recoveries, etc... but they even say, rolling back from a stock rom, non-rooted, is usually impossible, without first acquring root in current stock rom. i know they are publishing 'how-to's' on how to roll back to zv4 stock from zv6 stock, but there hasnt been any confirmation yet on the thread that i could tell. i even posted, asking if anyone has had success, but i do not see it yet. so i'm asking you, do you know if anyone has succeeded at flashtool to zv4 from zv6? i'm taking it, when you roll back to zv4, its stock, un-rooted, correct? i downloaded all the tools, tot's and dll but over two sets of instructions on what dll to use and when. so i'm not risking bricking this because once again, the guru's do not clarify to us 'underlings' the exact process. I had the same experience with the htc and galaxy phones. its like they are talking to each other only and the process is implied because of the experience. well after hundreds of resets , rom switches, etc with my galaxy, i think i get what they mean in that system of phones. but this LG is totally new and uses different terms, tools and processes. if they worked in IT they'd know what technical writing is, so i'm assuming they might be non-it people and thus the confusion on how to explain , in simple concise steps, so that others may join in. If they did that, more would join in and enable the community to grow exponentially. i've heard many IT freinds say they wont try it because they were confused, or it didnt make sense, or they heard the horror stories. I have lived the horror stories, but there is usually a way out of the boot loop or bricked device situation. problem is, with so little about the LG out there, i dont want to be waiting for weeks/months to get it back to work.
thanks for your help.
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All you need to do is read. It's all right in this forum.
Read:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=57185864
And
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=55225699
I've just read them again and they answer every question you wanted to know.
And yes, you can roll back to zv4. It's in one or both of those threads I linked above.
Hi, ive had marshmellow on my rooted Oppo F1s for about a month now and find it to be a lot crappier than what lollipop was, the features and all that, a lot of customization apps just dont work at all and everything reverts back to default after a couple hours use, the list goes on, basically im just really unhappy with it.
So my question is, how can I downgrade back to lollipop, while still keeping my root privileges? Im currently downloading the latest stock lollipop firmware, and I still have the files on my sd card when i first rooted-
i used this guide https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/tutorial-root-oppo-f1s-flashtool-6-0-t3651220
if i follow those steps again but with the lollipop firmware here
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/development/oppo-f1s-lollipop-firmware-t3625510
will it work or do i need to take other steps? do i even need to re-do everything again, could i boot into recovery mode and just install the firmware from there, will that work? i know all my data will probably be lost again and thats fine, im just confused as to how i can downgrade the easiest way.