Certain parties are making false claims, which are obvious to anyone with a detailed background. These claims extend far from just their "developments".
Picture of a hboot flashing an RUU is nothing special.
Picture of a hboot showing the CRC screen is nothing special.
These are things anyone can do, and mean squat.
Pulling a system/hboot off a s-off rezound will do nothing, all the ones that showed up had radio s-off already. The eng hboot I acquired as not signed, thus useless without radio. Same with custom patched hboots. Because without radio s-off the hboot gets signature checked, and unsigned/custom ones fail the check.
You can not flash recovery/kernel without s-off, as they will fail the secondary signature check by the hboot.
My advice is simply hold on to your money, DON'T give any donations until there is some actual work is released.
Protip: If a person spouts racial/homophobic slurs, they likely don't know squat about squat.
If you have any questions regarding any of this, or claims made by anyone just ask. (If I don't respond please give me a ping in PM, I often forget about forums).
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Certain parties are making false claims, which are obvious to anyone with a detailed background. These claims extend far from just their "developments".
Picture of a hboot flashing an RUU is nothing special.
Picture of a hboot showing the CRC screen is nothing special.
These are things anyone can do, and mean squat.
Pulling a system/hboot off a s-off rezound will do nothing, all the ones that showed up had radio s-off already. The eng hboot I acquired as not signed, thus useless without radio. Same with custom patched hboots. Because without radio s-off the hboot gets signature checked, and unsigned/custom ones fail the check.
You can not flash recovery/kernel without s-off, as they will fail the secondary signature check by the hboot.
My advice is simply hold on to your money, DON'T give any donations until there is some actual work is released.
Protip: If a person spouts racial/homophobic slurs, they likely don't know squat about squat.
If you have any questions regarding any of this, or claims made by anyone just ask. (If I don't respond please give me a ping in PM, I often forget about forums).
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I disagree with the majority of your post. I believe these developments are important and things are moving in the right direction. Slurs aren't a good thing, but that doesn't mean that the person saying them is ignorant. Yes, they might be ignorant in the way they present themselves, but not in other, unrelated ways. The things about stuff being signed is true, I agree with that though.
Protip???
What about the possibility that they are just a REALLY smart racist homophobe?
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I disagree with the majority of your post. I believe these developments are important and things are moving in the right direction. Slurs aren't a good thing, but that doesn't mean that the person saying them is ignorant. Yes, they might be ignorant in the way they present themselves, but not in other, unrelated ways. The things about stuff being signed is true, I agree with that though.
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The majority of my post is straight up fact, and not opinion.
Please tell me what you disagree about, and I will explain it in depth.
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What about the possibility that they are just a REALLY smart racist homophobe?
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That was taken into consideration, but after in depth conversations it was ruled out.
jcase said:
Certain parties are making false claims, which are obvious to anyone with a detailed background. These claims extend far from just their "developments".
Picture of a hboot flashing an RUU is nothing special.
Picture of a hboot showing the CRC screen is nothing special.
These are things anyone can do, and mean squat.
Pulling a system/hboot off a s-off rezound will do nothing, all the ones that showed up had radio s-off already. The eng hboot I acquired as not signed, thus useless without radio. Same with custom patched hboots. Because without radio s-off the hboot gets signature checked, and unsigned/custom ones fail the check.
You can not flash recovery/kernel without s-off, as they will fail the secondary signature check by the hboot.
My advice is simply hold on to your money, DON'T give any donations until there is some actual work is released.
Protip: If a person spouts racial/homophobic slurs, they likely don't know squat about squat.
If you have any questions regarding any of this, or claims made by anyone just ask. (If I don't respond please give me a ping in PM, I often forget about forums).
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+1 I totally agree with this post.
I really don't see how people are so quick to jump on the devils (dev) wagon. It is already quite apparent that the dev in question totally lied to everyone in this forum from day one. I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, it doesn't mean squat.
So you basically are saying that this individual is a load of crap and just trying to milk it? It's obvious of whom you are referring, but I won't go there because there are so many troll/hate threads already .
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So you basically are saying that this individual is a load of crap and just trying to milk it? It's obvious of whom you are referring, but I won't go there because there are so many troll/hate threads already .
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I didn't name anyone, and while my post was inspired by a couple people (no not just one, and not just on the Rezound), it applies across the board.
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I didn't name anyone, and while my post was inspired by a couple people (no not just one, and not just on the Rezound), it applies across the board.
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Ah alight, I just assumed since there has been too much of that lately here. In the end I just hope everyone gets S-Off with as little drama/troll as possible.
Jcase knows more about root,s-off,and h-boot than anyone else I've come across. I came from the Eris forum and have seen jcase and TeamAndIRC's work first had. Just look up some of the development stuff he has done across multiple forums. Then tell him you disagree with him(doesn't know what hes talking about)!
LOL, you all do realize who Jcase is right? You can tell him you disagree with his post, but that doesn't make him incorrect. He knows more about root than you all probably ever will. I'm hopeful for an exploit that will actually work and get it S-OFF as well, but damn if he isn't right.
Haha jcase schooled me on a friendly hacking bet on irc.
I think what jcase is saying is there is no credible evidence that the parties working on this are on to anything. I agree with him.
People have been doing this for a while now. They read a random tweet or a forum post and report here that soff will be achieved in a day or so and then massive disappointment follows. There is nothing wrong with being optimistic but i caution people starting threads announcing success with no evidence to back it up
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Everyone just needs to chill the fawk out. End of story. When we get s-off, we get s-off. Until then, just deal with it or move on.
So far all the "development" I've seen on an S-off method has been a bunch of kids combing through image dumps byte by byte in a hex editor. Anyone in the world who wants to can do this if they have time, and if they know how to extract the data from the raw partitions, as we have temp root.
It honestly doesn't impress me. It's the worst sort of brute force method, it's manual, it's time consuming, and it's frankly old fashioned. I was doing this 25 years ago to crack copy protection on C64 games.
Do we have any real development going on, or is this what we're relying on to reverse engineer the signature keys?
I am guessing this is in response to a certain someone saying that he unlocked the rezound last night.
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So he SAYS. Waiting for a picture that shows - unlocked, s-off, and clockwork recovery mod.
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Thanks for the info jcase. Threads like the one posted earlier get me irritated.
"Hey guys we could have S-OFF soon, but don't ask me any questions, don't ask when it's gonna be released, and don't ask any other information regarding who or how. Oh, BTW don't start flaming each other."
A certain someone had stated we would have S-OFF on or shortly after thanksgiving. I'm always skeptical of claims w/o evidence, but I did grant trust tentatively. This time, I'm not gonna believe it until I see it.
Everyone needs to just relax and enjoy the phone as is. If you can't live w/o a rooted phone, I suggest returning it and buying one that already has a root method available.
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Everyone needs to just relax and enjoy the phone as is. If you can't live w/o a rooted phone, I suggest returning it and buying one that already has a root method available.
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Indeed.
I bought it knowing what I was getting into. Brand new phone, S-Off weeks or months off. Since I'd been running Sense 3.5 on my Incredible I knew I could deal with it un-rooted for a while.
Memories
punman said:
So far all the "development" I've seen on an S-off method has been a bunch of kids combing through image dumps byte by byte in a hex editor. Anyone in the world who wants to can do this if they have time, and if they know how to extract the data from the raw partitions, as we have temp root.
It honestly doesn't impress me. It's the worst sort of brute force method, it's manual, it's time consuming, and it's frankly old fashioned. I was doing this 25 years ago to crack copy protection on C64 games.
Do we have any real development going on, or is this what we're relying on to reverse engineer the signature keys?
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Off Topic, but I used to do the same thing with the protection of C64 games, so you brought back some memories .
Then I got a Commodore Plus 4, which used cartridges, and got my first taste of Infocom games. But those were my beginning days of hex editing Thanks for the throw back.
jcase said:
Certain parties are making false claims, which are obvious to anyone with a detailed background. These claims extend far from just their "developments".
Picture of a hboot flashing an RUU is nothing special.
Picture of a hboot showing the CRC screen is nothing special.
These are things anyone can do, and mean squat.
Pulling a system/hboot off a s-off rezound will do nothing, all the ones that showed up had radio s-off already. The eng hboot I acquired as not signed, thus useless without radio. Same with custom patched hboots. Because without radio s-off the hboot gets signature checked, and unsigned/custom ones fail the check.
You can not flash recovery/kernel without s-off, as they will fail the secondary signature check by the hboot.
My advice is simply hold on to your money, DON'T give any donations until there is some actual work is released.
Protip: If a person spouts racial/homophobic slurs, they likely don't know squat about squat.
If you have any questions regarding any of this, or claims made by anyone just ask. (If I don't respond please give me a ping in PM, I often forget about forums).
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While I can't speak to the technical aspects of your post, as I've told you before in IRC, etc., my thought is that if he does have S-Off/Root, he's 1) Not going to show/tell anyone how he did it until the Method is tested and released to the public so that no one else "steals the ball" and gets to it before him. Any Dev would not rush the release of this to the public because they don't want to be responsible for bricking 1,000's of phones
I wholeheartedly agree that no one should donate until the Root method is released and the Dev/Team responsible proves it.
Let's just let this all play out, and once S-Off is released to the public (no matter who does it), we can take assessment of the situation at that point if you want to, no need to jump the gun and assume that we have S-Off nor should we assume that certain Dev/Teams are full of bull poop.
Honestly, I probably won't give a rat's arse who's telling the truth or whatever... I will be too busy Flashing ROMs on my Rezound!
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Hi people,
I am posting this message on HTC FACEBOOK site, I ask you all to copy&paste same message and post at HTC FB page. (correct where necessary, for example the year when you first bought your HTC, how many HTC you have had, etc...)
I am thinking that if we all unite and post same message we can create a chain reaction and force HTC to officialy reply to our questions. Otherwise they will get hundreds of the same long message on their Facebook page which they might not like people always complaint.
HTC Facebook site : http://www.facebook.com/HTC
Here is the message copy & paste & correct where necessary and post on HTC Facebook site.
NOTE:
HTC Facebook site will NOT allow you to post a message more than 1000 characters, so goto the Photo section and add an ordinary photo or add below photo , then your message can be as long as you wish
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Dear Peter Chou and HTC Employees.
Hear us.
I bought my first HTC phone in 2008 and it was a HTC Touch Pro.
I am currently on my 11th HTC phone right now and since the date I met HTC , I personally did not change my HTC to any other brand.
We have been loyal HTC customers since many years and we expect HTC to treat us the same way, otherwise our HTC love will not last forever. You are where you are because of us loyal customers.
Recently about a month ago, HTC C.E.O Peter Chou announced that HTC will be no longer locking the bootloaders from now on. I think this was a necessary move anyway since all other competion like Samsung and Motorola already offer unlocked bootloaders.
After reading Peter's comments here on HTC Facebook Page, I have pre-ordered the HTC SENSATION and the HTC FLYER.
I have received my both devices about 2 weeks ago but unfortunately they came with Locked (signed) bootloaders.
Currently there are thousands of people per day asking HTC when and how the unlocked bootloader process will start. The only reply we get from HTC is , "we are working on it and you will hear from us soon"
Dear HTC, we need some SPECIFIC ANSWERS from you rather than a pre-studied "we're working on it"
Now everybody is talking something and all we hear is speculation.
Please answer these questions with specific answers:
1) When will you start ?
2) How will the unlocking process begin ?
3) Which devices will get the unsigned bootloaders?
4) What about the Branded Devices
5) Is the process software or hardware related ?
If you answer these 5 simple questions, for sure everybody will be relaxed and we will give you enough time to breath and do your job rather than posting alot of dissatisfaction messages on your Facebook page.
If you noticed lately , you only get dissatisfaction messages posted on your website due to not giving any detailed info about the unlocking of the bootloaders.......
We all expect an OFFICIAL REPLY from you
Best Regards
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How do I go about posting on HTC's wall? I feel like an idiot. Do I click the "like" button? Not a facebooker.
Nevermind, got it. Feel free to delete this post.
Just click the link and goto the wall and click on photo then paste the message and add a photo
Thats it
Or you could just read this official announcement
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-unlocking-bootloaders-across-the-board-official-26155031/
Just sayin'
I mean seriously, they are not going to respond to every inquiry. Filling up their facebook page with the same post over and over again just relegates facebook to what it really is, a vast wasteland of nothing worth noting.
HTC has a lot on their plate, yes I want the flyer unlocked, but I also want my Thunderbolt with Gingerbread.
Might be a good idea to fix some of the grammatical mistakes before starting this campaign.
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Posted the message on FB.....fingers crossed !!
wingdo said:
Or you could just read this official announcement
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-unlocking-bootloaders-across-the-board-official-26155031/
Just sayin'
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Or you can try reading it. HTC's statement is about future phones. They have not been clear about whether existing products will be updated to unlock the bootloader. Also, the Flyer is not a phone. HTC has not been clear, and the OP wants clarification.
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I mean seriously, they are not going to respond to every inquiry. Filling up their facebook page with the same post over and over again just relegates facebook to what it really is, a vast wasteland of nothing worth noting.
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They don't have to respond to every inquiry. That is not the intent. HTC stated that they are changing their policy due to overwhelming customer response. This is due to people like the OP raising their voice, not from people waiting around for things to happen. And this is just one way we can voice our opinion to HTC. Its not completely clear to me how much attention HTC pays to their Facebook page. But it may well be as valid a form of communicating with them as any other. Writing letter or messages to companies or government is how a lot of things have gotten done, don't underestimate it.
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Or you can try reading it. HTC's statement is about future phones. They have not been clear about whether existing products will be updated to unlock the bootloader. Also, the Flyer is not a phone. HTC has not been clear, and the OP wants clarification.
They don't have to respond to every inquiry. That is not the intent. HTC stated that they are changing their policy due to overwhelming customer response. This is due to people like the OP raising their voice, not from people waiting around for things to happen. And this is just one way we can voice our opinion to HTC. Its not completely clear to me how much attention HTC pays to their Facebook page. But it may well be as valid a form of communicating with them as any other. Writing letter or messages to companies or government is how a lot of things have gotten done, don't underestimate it.
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As a business person, I do not disagree with a letter / e-mail campaign, but I will say filling up a company's official FB page with complaints of which people should not even be complaining is not going to win any favors with HTC. You are correct, they are talking about FUTURE devices. Anyone who likes to root and flash 3rd party ROMs had to know the Flyer was locked down. It's been all over the intertubes. If you knowingly buy something which is locked, you should not expect a lot of sympathy over the fact it is locked. Do I want it unlocked? Yes, but not for any really good reason. I bought the Flyer specifically for the pen and "notes". Whatever ROM I may flash has to have sense and scribe built in. I cannot imagine why someone would fork out this kind of money to flash CM on it (and I sued CM the majority of my 18 months on the D1).
I also agree with another poster. *If* you are going to engage in a SPAM campaign to a company, please make sure it is spelling error free, grammatically correct and non nonsensical.
Again, I do not disagree with the intent or idea, strictly with the fact the idea is to SPAM HTC's official FB site with this.
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BTW, what happens if HTC picks a date for the unlocking of the Flyer and then misses it for some reason? Will everyone understand things go awry when making this happen OTA and they want to be sure it is safe, or will people start *****ing "hey it's 12:01 the next day and still no unlocked bootloader. ZOMFGWTFBBQ?????"
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As a business person, I do not disagree with a letter / e-mail campaign, but I will say filling up a company's official FB page with complaints of which people should not even be complaining is not going to win any favors with HTC. . . .
I also agree with another poster. *If* you are going to engage in a SPAM campaign to a company, please make sure it is spelling error free, grammatically correct and non nonsensical.
Again, I do not disagree with the intent or idea, strictly with the fact the idea is to SPAM HTC's official FB site with this.
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This isn't spam. You, like many others, need to learn the definition of what spam is, before flinging that term around willy-nilly. This is a viewpoint, opinion, request by the OP. A suggestion to HTC on how to make their product better. That seems exactly what the HTC Facebook page is for. That's not spam.
On the other hand, should people just cut and paste his letter verbatim? I agree the answer is 'no'. But use it as an example, customize it to fit your situation/opinion and engage in the campaign in a meaningful way.
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BTW, what happens if HTC picks a date for the unlocking of the Flyer and then misses it for some reason?
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You are right. For that reason HTC always answer to such request like: We don't know, don't ask but read our news channels.
My "translation": We are working on it (unlocked boot-loader for Sensation and Flyer) and when it's done then - and not before - we will inform you.
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This isn't spam. You, like many others, need to learn the definition of what spam is, before flinging that term around willy-nilly. This is a viewpoint, opinion, request by the OP. A suggestion to HTC on how to make their product better. That seems exactly what the HTC Facebook page is for. That's not spam.
On the other hand, should people just cut and paste his letter verbatim? I agree the answer is 'no'. But use it as an example, customize it to fit your situation/opinion and engage in the campaign in a meaningful way.
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So aside from loose use of the word SPAM, we are in agreement that people should not just cut and paste this into HTC's official FB site.
HTC is not going to give release dates which can and most certainly will be missed, especially for something like unlocking a bootloader. The TB missed it's initial release date and it seemed like everyone on earth was up in arms judging by the amount of traffic people saw.
I am not even sure the bootloader will be un-lockable (yay for non existent words) via OTA. The odds of bricking may be too high for HTC to want to deal with. Their official statement is that going forward HTC devices will not have a locked boot loader. People should take that for what it means. *If* HTC decides to go back and unlock already out there devices I think that would be a very difficult thing to do from a reliability and certainty standpoint.
The OP bought the Flyer knowing the boot loader was locked. The OP did not return their Flyer during the return period (BB is 14 days). The OP bought exactly what was advertised, and is not satisfied and suggests to post the same complaint over and over again on an official welcome to HTC page. The BEST way to get companies to understand that you will not buy something with a locked boot loader is to not buy it in the first place.
I am dropping my sub to this thread as the point is lost on some.
That's a heck of a lot of speculation on your part. And you may/may not be completely correct. But its really not too much to ask for HTC to clarify whether they intend to unlock the Flyer's bootloader or not.
The Flyer is a great device. Many on here, myself included, want an unlocked bootloader, root, S-Off; but don't feel its enough to be a deal breaker and not buy the device.
If everybody posted, at the same time , the same message (corrected the dates and phones according to him). Then for sure it would create an impact on HTC .
Since only a few acted, it's just another complaint message to the eyes of HTC.
Please HTC, build better phones!
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Please HTC, build better phones!
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about the question what spam is: here we have it or I didn't understand still these mass of posts here... ?!
So you're asking possibly hundreds of people to post a poorly constructed letter on the official HTC Facebook page.
I'll pass thanks
ieen said:
So you're asking possibly hundreds of people to post a poorly constructed letter on the official HTC Facebook page.
I'll pass thanks
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Than take the time to write a better one, or think of a better idea, instead of just complaining about somebody else's effort.
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Than take the time to write a better one, or think of a better idea, instead of just complaining about somebody else's effort.
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I was just going to write the same thing but you beat me to it , thanks
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I am not even sure the bootloader will be un-lockable (yay for non existent words) via OTA. The odds of bricking may be too high for HTC to want to deal with. Their official statement is that going forward HTC devices will not have a locked boot loader. People should take that for what it means. *If* HTC decides to go back and unlock already out there devices I think that would be a very difficult thing to do from a reliability and certainty standpoint.
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Well, the following news pretty much settles the question of whether a manufacturer can unlock the bootloader, if they really wanted to. Motorola's Gingerbread update for the Atrix comes with the ability to unlock the bootloader:
http://phandroid.com/2011/06/22/gingerbread-update-for-the-motorola-atrix-4g-brings-fully-unlockable-bootloader/
Also answers the question of how a manufacturer can offer an unlocked bootloader without the risk of bricking a bunch of the Flyer's out there (if that's even a real risk). In the case of the Atrix, it sounds like the user has to issue the command over ADB to unlock the bootloader, which also gives a warning that it may void your warranty. Seems like a pretty tidy way to do it. Anyone that really wants the bootloader unlocked is not going to have a problem with a simple ADB command. But those that don't care, don't have to mess with it.
I am beginning to think that HTC is really working on unlocking the bootloaders and we will get our S-OFF soon ........
Here is a thought. Is it possible that HTC is trying to engineer a solution that gives them the ultimate out? Is it possible that they will be engineering an unlock that sprint then has full control over? I.E. Sprint would then be able to go in and relock at will? This way HTC gets to say they are releasing their products unlocked but the carriers are controlling it?
I would imagine they would have just as many pissed off customers, but perhaps they are willing to take that risk? It is just a theory... so I don't even know if that is possible.
But I just can't think of why this could possibly take them this long. It would take half of a work day to prep the unlock and put it up on their website for download.
Anyone else have thoughts on that theory? Or perhaps you have other conspiracy theories to offer?
Possibly because it's not their number 1 priority? I'm sure they'll keep their promise, I just doubt it's at the very top of their list of things to do.
Jye75 said:
Possibly because it's not their number 1 priority? I'm sure they'll keep their promise, I just doubt it's at the very top of their list of things to do.
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Exactly. In less than a week 2 updates have been pushed OTA to fix various bugs. Their priorities are obviously making sure the phone is working properly before allowing users to unlock them and rightfully so. This has all been so dramatic and if you look at their FB page its quite ridiculous how people are responding. HTC will get this done but there are more important issues to address first.
Perhaps they are waiting to see if the angry masses are bluffing.
Mine was returned. Simple reason is this... Better devices are a few months away that wont have locked bootloaders.
So bye bye EVO3d, me and my money will go elsewhere (nexus prime)
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We all know that when unlocking and rooting there is a risk that you may get bricked, I'm pretty sure their biggest objective is to make sure anything they give us doesn't result in a bunch of paperweights that need to be replaced for free... That's not good business for them
Bussin Caps from my 3D shooter
Another thing, they are probably looking to find a universal way to unlock all of the phones that have just released too... Just a thought..prolly not the case though
Bussin Caps from my 3D shooter
I'd rather them fix the bugs first (like the new text message notification bug) and then unlock the device for us.
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Perhaps they are waiting to see if the angry masses are bluffing.
Mine was returned. Simple reason is this... Better devices are a few months away that wont have locked bootloaders.
So bye bye EVO3d, me and my money will go elsewhere (nexus prime)
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Interesting that you even purchased the device in the first place... It was widely known that the bootloader was locked when the phone was released.
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Exactly. In less than a week 2 updates have been pushed OTA to fix various bugs. Their priorities are obviously making sure the phone is working properly before allowing users to unlock them and rightfully so. This has all been so dramatic and if you look at their FB page its quite ridiculous how people are responding. HTC will get this done but there are more important issues to address first.
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This makes no sense at all. They could easily kill two birds with one stone and unlock during one of the OTAs to fix a bug. We don't need bugs fixed before the unlock. The reality is that once it is unlocked, our devs will take care of bugs in much shorter order than they (HTC) will. And in reality, once rooted, I will probably eliminate half of the bloatware that contains the bugs. So there will be nothing for me (and many others) to fix at that point.
The reality is that this is a simple task. They merely need to hand over the key. They fact that they are stalling leads me to believe they have sinister plans.
I think they are waiting to release enough bug fixes to get a pulse on their new hardware. They don't want rooting to complicate the picture: they'll never know whether the problems are caused by rooting or legit bugs. So I think they'll do one of two things:
(1) Unlock the phone in the next OTA in the next few days. They may have the unlock ready but they are tidying up some final bug fixes in the SAME OTA.
(2) They want to release one more OTA before they unlock... so it may not be in the next one but will likely be in the following.
That's my guess.
Mike
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This makes no sense at all. They could easily kill two birds with one stone and unlock during one of the OTAs to fix a bug. We don't need bugs fixed before the unlock. The reality is that once it is unlocked, our devs will take care of bugs in much shorter order than they (HTC) will. And in reality, once rooted, I will probably eliminate half of the bloatware that contains the bugs. So there will be nothing for me (and many others) to fix at that point.
The reality is that this is a simple task. They merely need to hand over the key. They fact that they are stalling leads me to believe they have sinister plans.
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yes our devs could squash bugs quicker, but our devs also arent liable.. if HTC releases an update that unlocks all of our phones, and the next day they all brick, due to a rush, then we all get free phones.. our devs rush a release of something and it bricks, oops, your bad for flashing it.. so it makes sense that they would want this tested, as well as they should make sure the phone is working properly before they unlock it.. it will be unlocked, just give it time.. if they unlock it today, and something screws up, we will all jump on the "HTC sucks for screwing up my device train"..
I think people are just being way too paranoid. I mean, it's not even been a week since the phone's been released!
Sometimes, it's best to use separate stones to kill two birds. XDA developer bug fixes may not be in alignment with future HTC updates. Granted, you'd be rooted, but if it means having to completely redo bug fixes that should have been fixed already, when updating any new roms from HTC, you're doing twice the work.
edufur said:
This makes no sense at all. They could easily kill two birds with one stone and unlock during one of the OTAs to fix a bug. We don't need bugs fixed before the unlock. The reality is that once it is unlocked, our devs will take care of bugs in much shorter order than they (HTC) will. And in reality, once rooted, I will probably eliminate half of the bloatware that contains the bugs. So there will be nothing for me (and many others) to fix at that point.
The reality is that this is a simple task. They merely need to hand over the key. They fact that they are stalling leads me to believe they have sinister plans.
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Really? No sense, huh? This unlock is more than the snap of a finger, it takes time. That said, push bug fix updates AQAP and don't delay them by trying to bundle in the bootloader unlock. More people want a phone that works than the number that care about the bootloader. Of course they don't want to release their private key, they want to just release and OTA unlock that does not reveal their key at all. If this still doesn't make sense to you then I won't even bother responding to you next time because we obviously think in very different ways and there is no more I can say to try to explain this.
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Really? No sense, huh? This unlock is more than the snap of a finger, it takes time. That said, push bug fix updates AQAP and don't delay them by trying to bundle in the bootloader unlock. More people want a phone that works than the number that care about the bootloader. Of course they don't want to release their private key, they want to just release and OTA unlock that does not reveal their key at all. If this still doesn't make sense to you then I won't even bother responding to you next time because we obviously think in very different ways and there is no more I can say to try to explain this.
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Actually, if you think about it, what is the point of guarding the key? If it is going to be unlocked, it is unlocked. The key to lock it isn't important anymore. If they want to lock future devices (which they said they don't), they could just create a new key.
In fact, the least risky thing for them to do would be to publish the key and tell people they get no warranty if they unlock it themselves... and that it would only be warrantied if they had a sprint rep do it.
There are so many ways they could do it fast and do it right. There is no excuse for the delay.
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Actually, if you think about it, what is the point of guarding the key? If it is going to be unlocked, it is unlocked. The key to lock it isn't important anymore. If they want to lock future devices (which they said they don't), they could just create a new key.
In fact, the least risky thing for them to do would be to publish the key and tell people they get no warranty if they unlock it themselves... and that it would only be warrantied if they had a sprint rep do it.
There are so many ways they could do it fast and do it right. There is no excuse for the delay.
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100% Agreed.
Releasing 'just the key' would also keep the barrier to entry relatively high. There are now thousands (tens of thousands? hundreds of thousands?) of people who have learned about 'root and bootloader thing' who are going to want in, even though they will not understand it...too easy of a solution and there will be bricks left and right even though it is not just easy to avoid a brick it is damn hard to achieve one...don't flash the wrong phone's radio, gotcha....(why not crypto-sign those, but I digress)
Not to mention that every single day that ticks past that we do not have root we are losing developers. The evo4g had this utterly amazing community behind it because the phone had buzz, it was delivered on time, it has awesome hardware and IT WAS ROOTED A WEEK OR TWO BEFORE RELEASE....I rooted mine in the radio shack parking lot on release day at 5:30am....we had mods later that day, roms later that week....this smart-phone business is fast-paced...sure, a lot of people are saying 'Just be patient', but, our community (that is currently just a rampaging mob) hasn't even formed yet and the time is ticking, more compelling devices are weeks away--WITHOUT LOCKS....if we get unlocked in 2 months, well, it won't be anything like the evo4g scene.
I will return my phone on the 23rd of July....Why did I buy it knowing full well it would be locked? They said it would be unlocked, and if done in a reasonable amount of time (which I believe 29 days to be) it is a device I would want and that would be a community I would want to be a part of...but that window is closing, constantly. I love the phone, but, I'm following the developers...screw the companies. They are supposed to work towards OUR satisfaction.
I'd bet its delayed because they are building in some kind of mind control function.
yep, that's my guess HTC is trying to turn us into zombies.
that or maybe it just takes time for the EVO 3D time to code it and all the bug fixes as well.
but I'm pretty sure its the zombie thing.
Alanmw86 said:
I'd bet its delayed because they are building in some kind of mind control function.
yep, that's my guess HTC is trying to turn us into zombies.
that or maybe it just takes time for the EVO 3D time to code it and all the bug fixes as well.
but I'm pretty sure its the zombie thing.
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+1 zombies makes total sense
Now available in 3D
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that or maybe it just takes time for the EVO 3D time to code it and all the bug fixes as well.
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The only time it take to release the key is the time it takes for them to post it. 1 hour max. Well worth it to stop the bad PR spam they are getting on their FB wall.
Ok i am not trying to be ignorant but is it really that important to have root so fast? I always wanted to root my phone but never did because I was under the assumption that most roms did not fully work completely. Like some couldn't record video or the 4g wasn't working or some other key features didn't work. Like I said I am just assuming and could totally be wrong.
I am making a case for suspicious delay in S-OFF. We all know that they could do this right now. The package would be very small and would be low risk.
I am suspecting that the delay is giving them a chance to do the following:
1. Install a special HBOOT which CANNOT be downrev'd (we already know this is the case in old school EVOs that have S-OFF
2. Close current root exploits
3. Prevent, limit, or make difficult the ability to install a recovery ROM
and worse...
4. Give carriers the ability to later enforce S-ON and/or wipe recoveries.
Maybe not all of these will happen... but I am betting that at a minimum, accepting the HTC S-OFF is going to remove the ability to install an ENG bootloader, which would ultimately give us ALL the control.
I am open to being wrong... but please don't waste people's time with flames. If you disagree, then a simple -1 or an intellectual thought would suffice.
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All of this is being discussed in the 5 other threads regarding s-off
Thanks for putting it all in one place?
3D > iClone
My opinion is that they are taking their time in order to release their own "HTC Approved" S-off software, including rom flashing, etc etc. Chances are, they WONT just say, "Bam, S-Off", because they are a big company, and unlocking the bootloader publicly only invites the bottom 10% of stupid people to brick their phones because they don't know what they are doing.
"Well, HTC said it's ok... How was I supposed to know I could ruin my phone!?!?! Buy me a new one!"
They're going to go out of their way to make S-off and flashing new roms a mainstream, polished, clean thing, and not a "Do at your own risk, following some random dude on the internet's instructions" like it is right now.
That's my belief, anyway. I'm not sure what kind of securities and limitations HTC will put in place, but the top 1% of 1% of us will find a way to get past them anyway.
That would be awesome
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nate420 said:
All of this is being discussed in the 5 other threads regarding s-off
Thanks for putting it all in one place?
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Not really. People are complaining about how long it will take, and there may be an occasional opinion spattered here and there. But I articulated several scenarios which are quite plausible. And the discussion does deserve to be in one place.
So... you're welcome?
edufur said:
I am making a case for suspicious delay in S-OFF. We all know that they could do this right now. The package would be very small and would be low risk.
I am suspecting that the delay is giving them a chance to do the following:
1. Install a special HBOOT which CANNOT be downrev'd (we already know this is the case in old school EVOs that have S-OFF
2. Close current root exploits
3. Prevent, limit, or make difficult the ability to install a recovery ROM
and worse...
4. Give carriers the ability to later enforce S-ON and/or wipe recoveries.
Maybe not all of these will happen... but I am betting that at a minimum, accepting the HTC S-OFF is going to remove the ability to install an ENG bootloader, which would ultimately give us ALL the control.
I am open to being wrong... but please don't waste people's time with flames. If you disagree, then a simple -1 or an intellectual thought would suffice.
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-1. I don't think they will implement that much control. I'm thinking that it'll be more along the lines of them using a watermark, or something like that. That way, once you unlock it, the system is marked as being unlocked, thus voiding software warranty (I would hope that certain hardware things, such as faulty power button, volume buttons, camera button, 2d/3d switch etc etc would still be covered). Also, I'd bet that they've designed a new hboot all together, which can be unlocked via 'fastboot oem unlock'. As I said, I believe that unlocking it will either 'stain' the system, or perhaps even not be relockable. Maybe they've designed an hboot that once unlocked, it can't be relocked, thus never being able to fully unroot.
I don't think that Sprint really cares too much about it. People always say that tethering has a lot to do with why carriers might not want people to root, but there are plenty of tethering apps that don't require root. ****, we can tether already, even without having S-off.
It's already a given that HTC will eventually close the current root exploit. It is potentially dangerous. Teamwin thought it was potentially dangerous, to the point that they notified HTC about it. Obviously they did that hoping and knowing that HTC would close the exploit. We don't need or want to be susceptible to malware, should developers with malicious intentions decide to write some apps that steal all sorts of personal info. If we have S-off, even if they closed the current exploits, we could still flash a ROM that was already rooted. I really don't see them impeding us from using a custom recovery or anything like that. The backlash they would receive from all of us would be nuts. That would be total deception, if they gave us S-off, but then stopped us from being able to do any of the things that we are looking to do with S-off. They know why we want it. I truly think they are just trying to figure out a way to work out what may happen with the warranty issues, watermarking, or making it so that the bootloader isn't able to be set back to S-on once it's been set to S-off. They are trying to cover themselves somehow.
If they try to pull any shady stuff, and give us a half assed S-off, where we still didn't have full control of our phone, then I'm pretty sure there would be a massive uproar, and they know that. If they did something like that, I would imagine that at that point, a lot of people would really give up on HTC and move on to a manufacturer that isn't so deceptive.
nate420 said:
All of this is being discussed in the 5 other threads regarding s-off
Thanks for putting it all in one place?
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lol, you really just can't hit the 'back' button and ignore a thread if you don't agree with it, huh? I find it comical.
HERE WE GO AGAIN
I have never said a negative comment on a thread but c'mon already!! stop cluttering the forum please! Did you really need to start ANOTHER thread on something you could have commented on a thread that was already there?
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k2buckley said:
-1. I don't think they will implement that much control. I'm thinking that it'll be more along the lines of them using a watermark, or something like that. That way, once you unlock it, the system is marked as being unlocked, thus voiding software warranty (I would hope that certain hardware things, such as faulty power button, volume buttons, camera button, 2d/3d switch etc etc would still be covered). Also, I'd bet that they've designed a new hboot all together, which can be unlocked via 'fastboot oem unlock'. As I said, I believe that unlocking it will either 'stain' the system, or perhaps even not be relockable. Maybe they've designed an hboot that once unlocked, it can't be relocked, thus never being able to fully unroot.
I don't think that Sprint really cares too much about it. People always say that tethering has a lot to do with why carriers might not want people to root, but there are plenty of tethering apps that don't require root. ****, we can tether already, even without having S-off.
It's already a given that HTC will eventually close the current root exploit. It is potentially dangerous. Teamwin thought it was potentially dangerous, to the point that they notified HTC about it. Obviously they did that hoping and knowing that HTC would close the exploit. We don't need or want to be susceptible to malware, should developers with malicious intentions decide to write some apps that steal all sorts of personal info. If we have S-off, even if they closed the current exploits, we could still flash a ROM that was already rooted. I really don't see them impeding us from using a custom recovery or anything like that. The backlash they would receive from all of us would be nuts. That would be total deception, if they gave us S-off, but then stopped us from being able to do any of the things that we are looking to do with S-off. They know why we want it. I truly think they are just trying to figure out a way to work out what may happen with the warranty issues, watermarking, or making it so that the bootloader isn't able to be set back to S-on once it's been set to S-off. They are trying to cover themselves somehow.
If they try to pull any shady stuff, and give us a half assed S-off, where we still didn't have full control of our phone, then I'm pretty sure there would be a massive uproar, and they know that. If they did something like that, I would imagine that at that point, a lot of people would really give up on HTC and move on to a manufacturer that isn't so deceptive.
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+1 this makes more sense then them doing something shady. if they do their fb will blow up like none other i believe lol
@k2buckley
That was a well thought out response. thanks for the non-flame...
I would still disagree a little though. I really don't think they would put something out and then say the warranty is void. I am pretty sure there are legal ramifications for that. If they wanted to do it that way, they would just leak the solution and let people toast it and have NO liability.
In addition, HTC has already stated that the solution they will be providing WILL grant S-ON and S-OFF toggling. This leads me to believe that they will release it, and it will shortly thereafter LOCK. They will then tell people to contact their carrier as they are the ones who re-locked it.
I personally think the only way to prevent this will be to NOT take updates and to wait for a hacked S-OFF along with an ENG bootloader... and then never taking an OTA.
edufur said:
Not really. People are complaining about how long it will take, and there may be an occasional opinion spattered here and there. But I articulated several scenarios which are quite plausible. And the discussion does deserve to be in one place.
So... you're welcome?
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No ALL of your theories are in the other threads along with a few other conspiracy theories including but not limited to:
The Russians are controlling the updates
Blame Canada?
The T1000 that was "killed" in terminator 2 came back and stole it
Ect. Ect.
k2buckley said:
lol, you really just can't hit the 'back' button and ignore a thread if you don't agree with it, huh? I find it comical.
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No I can't not when its the same info in 4 to 9 threads all with "catchy" topic titles
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Zoidpilot said:
HERE WE GO AGAIN
I have never said a negative comment on a thread but c'mon already!! stop cluttering the forum please! Did you really need to start ANOTHER thread on something you could have commented on a thread that was already there?
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It is actually YOUR post that is cluttering here. And the large PIC was even more clutter. There isn't a single post or reply that has made the case that I have made. This thread is about the case that I am making. Take your rant somewhere else please. Or go back and edit your post to just -1 (without the PIC clutter... seeing how you are against the clutter)
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No I can't not when its the same info in 4 to 9 threads all with "catchy" topic titles
3D > iClone
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You have yet to prove that. I am making a specific case. Link those posts here that make the same (thought out) case that I am making.
ckoadiyn said:
+1 this makes more sense then them doing something shady. if they do their fb will blow up like none other i believe lol
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People couldn't rightfully blow up the HTC wall if Sprint is responsible for a re-lock.
You have to remember... Sprint is more their customer than we are.
edufur said:
People couldn't rightfully blow up the HTC wall if Sprint is responsible for a re-lock.
You have to remember... Sprint is more their customer than we are.
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this is true but id think if sprint wanted it locked they would have told HTC no don't do that we don't want our customers to be able to unlock it. i mean all the OTA's to my understanding have to be approved by sprint and sprint has to check them first am i wrong here? that's what i understood was when we where all hitting up HTC about the gingerbread update for the
EVO.
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You have yet to prove that. I am making a specific case. Link those posts here that make the same (thought out) case that I am making.
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You have a lot of reading to do...
And "thought out". If you think this is thought out... Then only god know what other thoughts fall out of your brain...
All of your *key* ideas have already been brought up...
Like I said good job putting it all in one page... But a little late to the debate
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1163223
3D > iClone
And who ever said there was a "delay"
Maybe they haven't started it or are trying to deal with the other 40 devices they sell... And all of there problems and complaints
Let alone the bugs in our phones and sensations... Jesus Christ I mean you expect HTC to just whip up a "update" for the bootloader when they have phones that are spazzing out and melting them selfs...
3D > iClone
All this stuff and I point it out...I.recieve a 3 point infraction and the threads removed I call horse sh*t bro. Once again another thread about something written a million times
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And who ever said there was a "delay"
Maybe they haven't started it or are trying to deal with the other 40 devices they sell... And all of there problems and complaints
Let alone the bugs in our phones and sensations... Jesus Christ I mean you expect HTC to just whip up a "update" for the bootloader when they have phones that are spazzing out and melting them selfs...
3D > iClone
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nate420 said:
You have a lot of reading to do...
And "thought out". If you think this is thought out... Then only god know what other thoughts fall out of your brain...
All of your *key* ideas have already been brought up...
Like I said good job putting it all in one page... But a little late to the debate
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1163223
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OMG... You went from "4 to 9" threads to ONE... And it doesn't even come close to covering the case that I am making. Item 1 in my case is PROVABLE.
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nate420 said:
No I can't not when its the same info in 4 to 9 threads all with "catchy" topic titles
3D > iClone
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Yea, I hear you. But there's really no way to stop someone from posting what they want to post. There is always some duplicate threads, always. I decided to post in this one, instead of the others. Was I supposed to search all of them, and see which one was posted first, and then reply in the first one? Hell no. This was the first one I saw (although I know there are more, but why would I want to find out which one was posted first, when I could just as easily reply to this one).
So although I agree with you that it can sometimes be annoying to have multiple threads about the same topic, I have pretty much come to accept that that is how it will always be. You can't control what other people are going to post on the internet, no matter how many facepalm pics people post in their threads. I see plenty of threads where I think to myself, "damn, I just ready a 32 page thread about the same topic, do I really need to click on this other one?" nah, I'll just pass it. Surely there isn't any info in this one that I didn't already read in the others. So yea, its just how it is. Especially in this forum, where it seems to be more hectic, hostile, and redundant than any other forum I've frequented, lol.
I think once people can start flashing roms and kernels, things will settle down. It's like a bunch of junkies in here, waiting for their next fix. Everyone is down eachothers throats. Idunno, in other forums, if two or more threads are 'accidentally' created with the same topic, the mods will usually merge the two threads together into one, to keep things more organized. That doesn't happen here. I think instead of everyone flaming and facepalming one another, that everyone should just report to a mod and they should merge the thread, quietly. So people wouldn't even know what happened. But that has never happens here on xda, so everyone just goes crazy flaming a newbie for posting a duplicate thread. Again, I agree..that if people would read up a bit before posting, they'd see that there is already a thread of similar nature for them to post in...but that's expecting a lot Things will eventually settle down.
We bugged the heck out of HTC to get them to give us a bootloader unlock. Now, let's bug them to give us kernel source!
Steps:
1) Go to HTC's Facebook page. If this is your first time, click on Like to like HTC's Facebook page - this is needed so that you can post on HTC's wall.
2) Post something on their wall asking for kernel source for the EVO 3D, EVO 4G, EVO Shift, and Sensation. If you don't know what to type or just want it made easy, copy/paste the following:
Please release the kernel source for the EVO 3D, EVO 4G, EVO Shift, and Sensation. I love HTC devices, but I would like them even more if we could get kernel source in a timely manner.
3) Go to Twitter and Tweet something @HTC. For another copy/paste option, use this:
@HTC Please release kernel source for EVO 3D, EVO 4G, Shift, and Sensation. #gplviolation
5) Post in this thread to keep it bumped near the top - make this as visible as possible!
5) Repeat as often as possible, but please do this at least once per day! Thanks!
FAQ:
Why are we doing this? Several reasons - but most of all, all Linux-based kernels are governed by the GPL - this basically means that anyone that takes a Linux kernel and modifies it and releases that software publicly must include a copy of the source code released at the same time. HTC is, by law, required to release their kernel source. Unfortunately, HTC usually waits 2-4 months to release.
What is kernel source? It's the actual source code needed to compile a kernel for our phones.
What is a kernel? Think of it as the core of the operating system (or the core of Android, if you will). It's what makes everything work and makes it all work together.
Why do we need kernel source? Kernel source is needed to make a solid kernel for AOSP ROMs like CyanogenMod and MIUI. It's also very useful for making all of the other custom kernels such as netarchy's kernels that were famous on the EVO 4G and for adding in extras like overclocking, undervolting, etc. Kernel source may also help us develop a method for obtaining our own S-OFF before HTC releases their unlocked bootloader.
What is the GPL? Click the link!
Please note that HTC is starting to play a little bit dirty by deleting some people's posts on Facebook. For the time being, please try to remain respectful when posting to give them less of a reason to delete. Thanks.
edited: a new canned response it looks like...
Thought this was funny from awhile back: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/03/21/htc-0-linux-core-dev-1-htcs-delays-of-mandatory-android-kernel-releases-come-back-to-bite-it-in-the-rear/
Has anyone suggested HTC register here? http://www.linuxfoundation.org/programs/legal/compliance
it might be September before we get the bootloader unlocked... and who knows what kinda tricks they may pull. Without that, I'm not concerned about kernel source.
Bump.... Will do
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Rippley05 said:
it might be September before we get the bootloader unlocked... and who knows what kinda tricks they may pull. Without that, I'm not concerned about kernel source.
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I suppose you're welcome to wait for HTC to release their unlock, but that doesn't mean that we still can't unlock it ourselves - which would be easier if we had kernel source. Further, there's nothing stopping kernel developers from working on kernels before we have achieved S-OFF on our devices so that the kernels are ready when the devices are.
They aren't really breaking any laws, the GPL has plenty of wiggle room and loop holes in it.
Tons of companies never release the source code, even though they are supposed to.
I don't see the point in bugging them about it. They said they are going to do it, they just need more time. Don't be a dbag and hassle them about it. I used to work at customer care and all it did was piss off the staff when someone did this and we had to answer calls all day about some stupid stuff that wasn't released on its "release date", though one had never been made official. We came up with a script and would just read it back word for word anytime they asked. If they still asked questions after that, we just re-read the script until all their questions were answered.
I think its rude, annoying, and being a bad consumer. They have clearly said they are going to do it. Patience is a virtue. I'm sure they have a reason, most companies that aren't Apple listen to their customers, and when they say, hey we hear you, and we will do it, they usually mean it. Especially when its posted so publicly on their Twitter and Facebook.
So just chill, wait a little, and it'll be here. Bugging them probably won't speed up the people doing the work (because those doing the work, and those responding to your questions are 2 different people)
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What's the point of having a kernel source with no s-off? Is rather have then unlock the bootloader first, by then they should be ready to release the source.
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fr0st420 said:
What's the point of having a kernel source with no s-off? Is rather have then unlock the bootloader first, by then they should be ready to release the source.
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fr0st420 said:
What's the point of having a kernel source with no s-off? Is rather have then unlock the bootloader first, by then they should be ready to release the source.
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See two posts above yours.
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You all know there is still a lot you can do without s-off... it'll help the cause either way.
They aren't really breaking any laws, the GPL has plenty of wiggle room and loop holes in it.
Tons of companies never release the source code, even though they are supposed to.
I don't see the point in bugging them about it. They said they are going to do it, they just need more time. Don't be a dbag and hassle them about it. I used to work at customer care and all it did was piss off the staff when someone did this and we had to answer calls all day about some stupid stuff that wasn't released on its "release date", though one had never been made official. We came up with a script and would just read it back word for word anytime they asked. If they still asked questions after that, we just re-read the script until all their questions were answered.
I think its rude, annoying, and being a bad consumer. They have clearly said they are going to do it. Patience is a virtue. I'm sure they have a reason, most companies that aren't Apple listen to their customers, and when they say, hey we hear you, and we will do it, they usually mean it. Especially when its posted so publicly on their Twitter and Facebook.
So just chill, wait a little, and it'll be here. Bugging them probably won't speed up the people doing the work (because those doing the work, and those responding to your questions are 2 different people)
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yeah, because that's exactly what HTC wants right now with Apple's lawsuit getting so much attention; the fact that they take advantage of the GNU and withhold the kernel source a good portion of a devices life cycle in order give themselves an unfair advantage. They may want to think about restaffing their legal team if that's the plan.
Keep the pressure on. If the S-OFF videos on YouTube for the Sensation are correct, then S-OFF will probably be released soon for our EVOs as well. We'll really want that kernel source ASAP!
Been pestering them for the source, they are being stubborn:
https://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150371265543084?notif_t=feed_comment
I've also tried support e-mails and posting on Twitter every day, so far nothing.
Whenever I see these threads I always wonder, what will you guys ask for next? lol
We can ask for whatever we want. With enough pressure, maybe we'll get it. We'll get kernel source eventually no matter what, but it'd be nice to get it sooner rather than later.
Arbron said:
I think its rude, annoying, and being a bad consumer.
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Are you serious? I mean are you serious? I live in a country that is run by faceless corporations and big business whose only reason for existence is to make sure they get every penny we make somehow. Wether it be 2gig caps or insurance hikes for no reason or a car that needs traded in because its falling apart at pay off. Or big business and churches donating politically to see that their best interests are met. And your gonna say be a good consumer. Go back to your phone and cubicle my friend. HTC along with every other company is making money hand over fist right now, based off of an open source product. They have the bootloader and kernel information in hand, there isnt anyone working on it, it exists already. Bad consumer
Up to the top. Please keep bugging HTC and keep bumping the thread so that it stays where people will see it!
Don't give up people... we really need kernel source to get the most out of our EVO 3Ds!!!
I agree, help out here guys. We won't get any decent vanilla roms or any good kernels without this, and s-off won't really matter.
I dont think a campaign, even in numbers, will achieve a faster delivery of bootloader or kernel source. HTC has a lot going on right now. Really.
With Apple's victory in the courtroom, I would imagine that the delay in the bootloader is re-writing some original source and incorporating the unlock as well... for numerous devices. They are likely working on source and unlock for other phones while conducting massive source re-write in order to keep HTC handsets coming to America.
Personally, I would rather see the delay of unlock longer than the death of HTC availability in the US...
Simply a statement. I would not undermine or put down anyone's attempts to acquire these things. I was just trying to facilitate a little understanding on HTC's behalf. And no, I do not work for them. ;-)
Hello,
I know many of us are quite disappointed with Apple's actions of late. It really seems since they went to Intel Chips on their Computers, they have sold their souls.
I think it would be more constructive to aim all of this energy at our displeasure with Apple as opposed to hammering HTC any further. The Bootloader will be Unlocked and with the capabilities of the Developers here, the full potential of these Phones will soon be unleashed.
Cheers,
JJ
Yeah, I'm not entering my name anywhere. Thanks anyway, HTC. Besides, AlphaRev and Unrevoked already did your job for you.
Since our last update, many of you have asked how the bootloader unlocking process will actually work, and in particular why HTC's most recently released devices still have a locked bootloader. Rest assured we're making progress toward our goal to roll out the first software updates in August to support unlocking for the global HTC Sensation, followed soon by the HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile and the HTC EVO 3D on Sprint. Because unlocking the bootloader provides extensive control over the device and modifications may cause operation, security and experience issues, new devices will continue to ship locked but will support user-initiated unlocking using a new Web-based tool.
So how will this work? The Web tool, which will launch this month, requires that you register an account with a valid e-mail address and accept legal disclaimers that unlocking may void all or parts of your warranty. Then plug in your phone to a computer with the Android SDK loaded to retrieve a device identifier token, which you can then enter into the Web tool to receive a unique unlock key via e-mail. Finally, apply the key to your device and unlocking will be initiated on your phone.
We're excited to bring bootloader unlocking to developers and enthusiasts, and we feel this new Web tool will meet your needs and continue to provide customers with the best experience. Thanks to the community for supporting these efforts!
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I figured they would want a way to know exactly which phones were unlocked. i'll stick with alpha revs method.
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blackroseMD1 said:
Yeah, I'm not entering my name anywhere. Thanks anyway, HTC. Besides, AlphaRev and Unrevoked already did your job for you.
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wow. some actual clarity on what they plan to do.
nice to see an update !
but for the evo3d is a bit late
Lmao,actually according to their explanation,their method sounds just like AlpharevX.It would be hilarious if alpharevX sold their method to HTC.
That blows. They couldn't just ship the damn thing unlocked.
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ktulu909 said:
Lmao,actually according to their explanation,their method sounds just like AlpharevX.It would be hilarious if alpharevX sold their method to HTC.
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Well, if he did I hope he didn't sell them the serial numbers of the ones already unlocked jk
I guess it all makes sense (har har).
If it makes the carriers happy, who cares if this is how they do it? I'm sure whenever they release a bootloader unlocker someone on XDA will take it and make it so you can do it without the email/key. We're gonna come out ahead either way.
Well i guess now they will know when we unlock our bootloader and warranty I don't care since I don't use the warranty anyways
If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d
I'd be curious to know from Google, Sprint and Samsung how many problems they have from the NexusS4G being very easily unlockable...I doubt it's very many...and HTC should suck on that.
I don't know if that's as much of a fair comparison - with the Nexus being near stock I wouldn't expect them to be flashed/bricked nearly as much as with the Evo4G.
The OG Evo gained so much from flashing - features, kernels, whole new versions of sense. And it had so many updates over the life of the phone, making for different rooting methods and having people flash their phones many many times, making it one of if not the most developed phone we have seen.
I'm quite certain the brick count on those were some of the highest anyone's ever seen as well. That's after all the returns from dead pixels, bad charging ports, and what have you. You can understand a carrier/manufacturer's wishing to prevent all that.
By the same token, it feels like HTC benefits greatly from the development community, perhaps using a lot of what they see here in their own updates (maybe even waiting for people to fix their bugs). They definitely see value in unlocking phones, which I guess we should be happy about.
As long as HTC keeps their unlocked policy I will remain a loyal customer.
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I don't know if that's as much of a fair comparison - with the Nexus being near stock I wouldn't expect them to be flashed/bricked nearly as much as with the Evo4G.
The OG Evo gained so much from flashing - features, kernels, whole new versions of sense. And it had so many updates over the life of the phone, making for different rooting methods and having people flash their phones many many times, making it one of if not the most developed phone we have seen.
I'm quite certain the brick count on those were some of the highest anyone's ever seen as well. That's after all the returns from dead pixels, bad charging ports, and what have you. You can understand a carrier/manufacturer's wishing to prevent all that.
By the same token, it feels like HTC benefits greatly from the development community, perhaps using a lot of what they see here in their own updates (maybe even waiting for people to fix their bugs). They definitely see value in unlocking phones, which I guess we should be happy about.
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Were there that many bricked E4G's? I don't recall hearing about that many of them in my tenure on the forum...admittedly I barely spent any time in General that year as Development was bustling from before day 1.
...but, per capita I doubt the brick-count was that far off the average for any other popular phone worth rooting. God knows I did horrible things to mine and never even had to fix it via adb/fastboot.... it was a very popular phone even among the average joe.
I know that HTC benefits greatly from the dev community. Where do you think they got the FPS-unlock from? Among other things. That's how open source works and is designed to work. That's also why myself and others were so shocked with the whole 'locking' fiasco.
...now, aside from our own speculation about how high the brick rate may or may not have been why not speculate about something more productive: How LOW the brick rate could be if they utilized eMMC's secure-write technology to make a 'mega-recovery' partition that would be locked and even WE wouldn't want to unlock it....that could be used in a worst case scenario to fully restore a phone to stock...to enable the unlocking that WE want and reduce the (understandable) liability of allowing full control that they want. We get unlock, they get insulation from liability of allowing such a feature (that most people STILL wouldn't know about or care about)....why don't they do that? eMMC makes that trivial to implement (as we found out the hard way)...neglecting the fact that they could have utilized any number of simpler technologies to accomplish the same thing even before eMMC...why not?
That's a topic for further speculation (get your tinfoil hats ready), but, why don't they do that? Play both sides of the field. No voided warranties, no brick returns, no pissed off modders....win win win, right? The carrier doesn't want that? Cool, let us know, we'll flock to the carrier that allows it...something tells me Sprint would be that underdog...
ktulu909 said:
Lmao,actually according to their explanation,their method sounds just like AlpharevX.It would be hilarious if alpharevX sold their method to HTC.
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Not at all like what AlphaRevX did. The only reason they had the serial number check was because it was in Beta so they could shut down their serial generator and stop people using their unlock if they found a problem with it.
This HTC method makes sense, and I think it's fair. Their tool only needs to hook up to your phone to get the device identifier token, the unlock actually happens on the phone itself. This way HTC gets a list of unlocked phones so when people go for support you can't lie to them that your phone was unlocked, but people can have day one unlocks on any phone from HTC going forward.
So now HTC wants to know who exactly is unlocking there phones??
Nice try you sneaky basterds
What's wrong with them knowing if you're unlocked? They have to do that... Otherwise insurance companies would get upset. This is legit and it if people screw their phones up due to user error while unlocked then they shouldn't be able to file a claim.
This also let's them see just how many people want to be unlocked so they don't try and take it away from us again
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Rippley05 said:
What's wrong with them knowing if you're unlocked? They have to do that... Otherwise insurance companies would get upset. This is legit and it if people screw their phones up due to user error while unlocked then they shouldn't be able to file a claim.
This also let's them see just how many people want to be unlocked so they don't try and take it away from us again
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yeah....I dunno. They could (relatively) easily make the phones nearly brick-proof (see my above post) yet they do not. Why? I'm almost irritated by all of the altruistic sentiment for 'doing the right thing'....not because of the altruism, I actually find that refreshing and endearing. It's more because they could take steps to nearly eliminate the potential for bricking (and in doing so insulate the insurance company from liability...making that a moot point), but that people are defending a position that needn't exist.
nhutpham said:
i guess it all makes sense (har har).
If it makes the carriers happy, who cares if this is how they do it? I'm sure whenever they release a bootloader unlocker someone on xda will take it and make it so you can do it without the email/key. We're gonna come out ahead either way.
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+1000000000
Haha, sounds exactly how alpharev did it...hmm, maybe they tore it out of alpharevs hands, i dont know, sounds fishy.
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yeah....I dunno. They could (relatively) easily make the phones nearly brick-proof (see my above post) yet they do not. Why? I'm almost irritated by all of the altruistic sentiment for 'doing the right thing'....not because of the altruism, I actually find that refreshing and endearing. It's more because they could take steps to nearly eliminate the potential for bricking (and in doing so insulate the insurance company from liability...making that a moot point), but that people are defending a position that needn't exist.
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You don't know why they're doing it. Maybe they wanna track the people that abuse the crap out of wireless tether... Maybe it's for other reasons. Who cares, they are unlocking it for us and that's all that matters. I have nothing to hide when I root so I care less. If you're upset about it then there are other options.
People are getting exactly what they wanted and they still find a reason to cry... Get over it already
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