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I have a strong feeling that there are some Apple employees or contractors spreading negative info about the Prime here at XDA. Wouldn't be hard for them to do and nearly impossible for us to detect. Just saying.
I think if the few main points they are pointing out turn out to be minor or overly exaggerated, (ie. Sound sucking, battery dying fast, price to high for the market, etc.), then it will be an iPad killer or come very close.
Note: Hate to use the "iKiller" phrase because apple has a place and a market regardless, but I digress.
Then I guess they're doing a bad job 'cause I'm still buying one!
It's not Apple employees. It's just Apple fanbois and zealots. It's more religion than anything for some of this deranged folks who don't feel right until they have everyone "converted". Facts and rational arguments don't matter, because it's a sin to like Android. "Think Different" is really "Think Apple, Amen".
I have no problem with Apple, as Ghandi said, "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.".
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Then I guess they're doing a bad job 'cause I'm still buying one!
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That about says it all.
Up until the past few days everything put out about the Prime was PR from Asus. That and a few specific demos of games. As hands-on tests are released there's bound to be some negatives uncovered. It's not natural if there weren't. One could say that the fanboys aren't those seeking real-time feedback even if it's not positive but those that are blindly defending a product that's not even in the hands of conumers yet. And like someone said in another thread, there can be big differences from one review to another. The Galaxy Nexus was hailed as the second coming of Christ. Now that it's out it's clearly not perfect compared to the anticipation and PR. I for one want to get feedback from owners after they've used the Prime for a while. That's what XDA does best.
It was Steve Jobs himself .. He was here ... Look at your back ... There! There he is!
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It's not Apple employees. It's just Apple fanbois and zealots. It's more religion than anything for some of this deranged folks who don't feel right until they have everyone "converted". Facts and rational arguments don't matter, because it's a sin to like Android. "Think Different" is really "Think Apple, Amen".
I have no problem with Apple, as Ghandi said, "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.".
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Up until the past few days everything put out about the Prime was PR from Asus. That and a few specific demos of games. As hands-on tests are released there's bound to be some negatives uncovered. It's not natural if there weren't. One could say that the fanboys aren't those seeking real-time feedback even if it's not positive but those that are blindly defending a product that's not even in the hands of conumers yet. And like someone said in another thread, there can be big differences from one review to another. The Galaxy Nexus was hailed as the second coming of Christ. Now that it's out it's clearly not perfect compared to the anticipation and PR. I for one want to get feedback from owners after they've used the Prime for a while. That's what XDA does best.
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I couldn't agree more. I have been slightly disappointed to hear some of the negatives about the Prime; especially in the Anandtech review when compared to the ipad2. That doesn't mean that I'm not really excited about this product. I don't need it to be a Jesus-tablet. I would just like it to be a really nice high end Android device that i will enjoy using for a long time (relatively of course). So, I for one haven't cancelled my order. I also haven't seen any Apple fanboys on these threads yet. Of course, I did remove my tin foil helmet some time ago so that could have something to do with it too.
I'm no apple fanboy infact the opposite, I think most of the apple crowd are sheep.
I am thinking of getting a prime for my wife. However the point that I find off putting is that the prime can only barely beat the IPAD2 in most tests and in some tests it fails compared to the Ipad2.
The Ipad2 is about a year old and the latest device and chipset that Nvidia and Asus can muster can only equal or barely beat it?.
really with the 11 month lead time the Prime should be kicking the Ipads ass, but it isn't.
I can only therefore gather that the Ipad3 whenever it is released would make the prime look like yesterdays tech just like the prime should have done but failed to do to the Ipad2.
I would love to be told that I am wrong and that infact the prime does indeed stomp all over the Ipad2?
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I'm no apple fanboy infact the opposite, I think most of the apple crowd are sheep.
I am thinking of getting a prime for my wife. However the point that I find off putting is that the prime can only barely beat the IPAD2 in most tests and in some tests it fails compared to the Ipad2.
The Ipad2 is about a year old and the latest device and chipset that Nvidia and Asus can muster can only equal or barely beat it?.
really with the 11 month lead time the Prime should be kicking the Ipads ass, but it isn't.
I can only therefore gather that the Ipad3 whenever it is released would make the prime look like yesterdays tech just like the prime should have done but failed to do to the Ipad2.
I would love to be told that I am wrong and that infact the prime does indeed stomp all over the Ipad2?
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which tests are you talking about exactly?
i would say most issues aside from hardware design issues stem from honeycomb and how crappy that version of android is as far as optimization and design goes.
hopefully ICS will fix a lot of the really big issues that HC has yet to even address.
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I'm no apple fanboy infact the opposite, I think most of the apple crowd are sheep.
I am thinking of getting a prime for my wife. However the point that I find off putting is that the prime can only barely beat the IPAD2 in most tests and in some tests it fails compared to the Ipad2.
The Ipad2 is about a year old and the latest device and chipset that Nvidia and Asus can muster can only equal or barely beat it?.
really with the 11 month lead time the Prime should be kicking the Ipads ass, but it isn't.
I can only therefore gather that the Ipad3 whenever it is released would make the prime look like yesterdays tech just like the prime should have done but failed to do to the Ipad2.
I would love to be told that I am wrong and that infact the prime does indeed stomp all over the Ipad2?
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IMHO, the point of the Transformer Prime is all about the *convenience*. For example, no one buys a MBA for its speed; even a $600 laptop would be faster.
The Transformer doesn't have to be better than the iPad or an ultrabook/MBA. But when you're on the road or wherever, carrying the Transformer will be heckuva lot more convenient than carrying both the iPad and MBA.
The whole is more than the some of its part. That's why the original Transformer has won awards such as tablet of the year, laptop of the year and device of the year!
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I'm no apple fanboy infact the opposite, I think most of the apple crowd are sheep.
I am thinking of getting a prime for my wife. However the point that I find off putting is that the prime can only barely beat the IPAD2 in most tests and in some tests it fails compared to the Ipad2.
The Ipad2 is about a year old and the latest device and chipset that Nvidia and Asus can muster can only equal or barely beat it?.
really with the 11 month lead time the Prime should be kicking the Ipads ass, but it isn't.
I can only therefore gather that the Ipad3 whenever it is released would make the prime look like yesterdays tech just like the prime should have done but failed to do to the Ipad2.
I would love to be told that I am wrong and that infact the prime does indeed stomp all over the Ipad2?
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these are my thoughts as well, it makes me really uneasy about buying this thing.
which at first i thought blew ipad2 out of the water.
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these are my thoughts as well, it makes me really uneasy about buying this thing.
which at first i thought blew ipad2 out of the water.
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I'm usually first in line for new and shiny tech. For a second-gen tablet, I'm going to wait a bit. Here's my thinking: 1) I want to see what people's real experiences are with Teg 3, 2) I want to see what the performance difference is with ICS irrespective of h/w, and 3) Acer, Lenovo, and HTC have all announced quad-cores with more RAM (2GB) and higher res (1920 x 1152) displays which are probably going to become the new standard for high-end tablets. Qualcomm, TI, and Samsung are all working on next-gen chipsets too. For those with short memory, Nvidia was the worst of the dual-cores (except for gaming) and unless something's changed it probably pays to wait and see what the other chip makers come up with. Also getting a tablet launched with and optimized for ICS is preferable to a future update.
If you need a tablet right away, and don't currently have one, it makes sense to go with the Prime. If you have a first-gen tablet more choices are going to be available by Q1. And after reading the Amazon cancellation thread and some of the problems being reported by reviewers it seems that Asus is really rushing this puppy out in order to be first to market. Historically, that's never been good.
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I'm usually first in line for new and shiny tech. For a second-gen tablet, I'm going to wait a bit. Here's my thinking: 1) I want to see what people's real experiences are with Teg 3, 2) I want to see what the performance difference is with ICS irrespective of h/w, and 3) Acer, Lenovo, and HTC have all announced quad-cores with more RAM (2GB) and higher res (1920 x 1152) displays which are probably going to become the new standard for high-end tablets. Qualcomm, TI, and Samsung are all working on next-gen chipsets too. For those with short memory, Nvidia was the worst of the dual-cores (except for gaming) and unless something's changed it probably pays to wait and see what the other chip makers come up with. Also getting a tablet launched with and optimized for ICS is preferable to a future update.
If you need a tablet right away, and don't currently have one, it makes sense to go with the Prime. If you have a first-gen tablet more choices are going to be available by Q1. And after reading the Amazon cancellation thread and some of the problems being reported by reviewers it seems that Asus is really rushing this puppy out in order to be first to market. Historically, that's never been good.
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I think that is an astute observation. i don't have a tablet yet and now is the right time to buy for me. If I could find the original TF at a deeply discounted price I think I would probably go that route for now. As is, I guess I will stick with the prime. It is after-all a beautiful device with a lot of upsides at least.
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I think that is an astute observation. i don't have a tablet yet and now is the right time to buy for me. If I could find the original TF at a deeply discounted price I think I would probably go that route for now. As is, I guess I will stick with the prime. It is after-all a beautiful device with a lot of upsides at least.
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Watch this site: http://slickdeals.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=9
Transformers, Iconias, Thrives, and K1s have popped up for as low as $250 NIB for the holidays. If you get one, it would be a great transitional tablet until you have more choices for second-gen tablets available. You could probably turn around and sell it for close to what you paid via eBay or Craigslist after using it for a few months. But I totally agree that if you're paying retail the Prime is the best of what's out now.
So we read blogs/articles/magazines/web sites that absolutely rave about the Transformer Prime and have nothing negative to say then we get real world users that do nothing but complain about everything you could possibly think of so the question is.
A.) Did the company's that reviews these get a souped up turbo charged version of the Prime and everyone else got a dumbed down inferior version?
B.) Are the tech company's and magazine publishers lieing to us
C.) Are the real world forum reviews on XDA anal retentive and will complain about anything and everything regardless of what the product is.
Do we have a gray area here in between any of the above 3 scenarios? Something just does not make sense here.
I choose C
I take the the 50:50 joker!
Hm hard to answer, heavy question...maybe all of them?^^
A) That's ridiculous. Reviewers got units with bad WiFi. So they're certainly not better than what people are buying off the streets. Also, the media would go nuts if they ever found out manufacturers were sending them shill units just to get better results.
B) Reviewers are people too and all have their own biases. There may be a positive or negative slant to a review based on those biases but I'd guess they're 80-90% objective. If they always bias their reviews, people would stop reading them.
C) There are three different types of XDA'rs. 1) Unilateral fanboys that can see no wrong even though it's clear something’s amiss. There were people denying the SGS1 had GPS issues when it was totally clear they all did. 2) Pessimists that always look for the negative and amplify it without basis. Some of them may not even own the device. 3) Normal people who just want to share info, have no motive in their comments, and don't need self-validation though forum exchanges. They are usually attacked by the fanboys and pessimists for not having a stronger position either way.
There's clearly some common issues with the early Prime's and the fanboys are out in force denying them while the pessimists are making them larger then they need to be. Look for posts from normal people and use your own judgement in forming an opinion on any particular issue.
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A) That's ridiculous. Reviewers got units with bad WiFi. So they're certainly not better than what people are buying off the streets. Also, the media would go nuts if they ever found out manufacturers were sending them shill units just to get better results.
B) Reviewers are people too and all have their own biases. There may be a positive or negative slant to a review based on those biases but I'd guess they're 80-90% objective. If they always bias their reviews, people would stop reading them.
C) There are three different types of XDA'rs. 1) Unilateral fanboys that can see no wrong even though it's clear something’s amiss. There were people denying the SGS1 had GPS issues when it was totally clear they all did. 2) Pessimists that always look for the negative and amplify it without basis. Some of them may not even own the device. 3) Normal people who just want to share info, have no motive in their comments, and don't need self-validation though forum exchanges. They are usually attacked by the fanboys and pessimists for not having a stronger position either way.
There's clearly some common issues with the early Prime's and the fanboys are out in force denying them while the pessimists are making them larger then they need to be. Look for posts from normal people and use your own judgement in forming an opinion on any particular issue.
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Lets just use one example the magazines and blogs that reviewed the prime said the speed and browsing was blazing fast everyone on here says its slow and choppy and not even on par with the iPad 2 so how did we get such a difference of opinion on this perticular topic?
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Lets just use one example the magazines and blogs that reviewed the prime said the speed and browsing was blazing fast everyone on here says its slow and choppy and not even on par with the iPad 2 so how did we get such a difference of opinion on this perticular topic?
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Some reviews are very thorough. AnandTech is one of those. Typically, a reviewer spends between a couple of days and a week with a device. Reviewers of the Prime actually commented on how little time they got to spend with it before writing their reviews.
Using a device casually with few apps on it is going to get a different result then loading it up with stuff that the reviewer uses on their own personal device and then using it as a daily driver. Out of the box, even Teg2 devices perform well. A lot of the reviewers really didn't put the Prime through its paces. Look for the reviewers that did, like AnandTech and GSMArena.
The SoC is just one part of the performance equation. For the Prime, the bottleneck looks to be s/w in some cases. I think that's what's happening in your example. And ICS is going to be a big improvement for GB users but it's foundation is actually HC. There are just some things we're going to have to live with in Android and some lag and hesitation in certain functions seems to be one of them. Maybe through s/w optimization and updates Asus (or any manufacturer) may make it better but it seems to be a fact of life. There was a great article from a Google engineer explaining the lag that I'll try to find. It helps understand the difference between iOS and Android.
you saw how anandtech got a hand picked unit to test. if i were a company id send out the best units to reviewers
what is this nonsense, i see a whole crap load of positive posts about the asus.
the negative ones are mostly people who have simple issues that most tablets come with.
I think as somebody has posted elsewhere - there are probably MANY people at home loving their primes and not bothering to mention it on here whilst people having issues will want to find others with those issues, generally ***** and moan, etc. It's a biased cohort on here for sure.
I tend to believe that a lot of the reviewers give positive raves because they get their crap for free! It's totally different for someone who pays $500.00 for it. Of course we expect more because we paid for top notch!
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I tend to believe that a lot of the reviewers give positive raves because they get their crap for free! It's totally different for someone who pays $500.00 for it. Of course we expect more because we paid for top notch!
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They don't keep em. They have to send it back.
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C. except maybe the gps, which isnt working for many (includingthe 3 I've tried personally).
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there are probably MANY people at home loving their primes
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the negative ones are mostly people who have simple issues that most tablets come with.
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There aren't that many Primes out there. The number of issues being reported from a small sample set and the commonality is something to watch. It's too early to say whether they're just early production teething issues, random QC issues, or a design/manufacturing issue. Not all the people reporting problems are alarmists and say positive things along with the negative.
I love this device and have had a few issues with it as well. It's worrisome that the GPS doesn't work and I have had some browser typing lag and a few other minor issues. The reason you hear so much about the negative stuff is that no one is gathering together to talk about what they should do about their tablet being so fast and smooth.
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Good thing they'll be only coming out in January in my country. They'll come with QWERTZ keyboard so its probably a different batch.
I think its pretty clear they rushed some things especially in the software department to get it out in time for USA launch. Seems to me like the software is just a port from the original transformer with some added tweaks. Every IT device i owned had some problems at first. If I compare the performance of my DesireHD with custom rom and everything to how it was when i first bought it a year ago... OMG about every aspect of the device is better now. And that only through software tweaks.
I think it's all about the big rush to get the review out ASAP. Like somebody else said, they don't put 100 apps on it and use it constantly to figure out that a little glitch that happened that time is actually a bug that happens consistently when you do certain things. Like the diff between motor trend doing initial impressions on a car review vs long term reviews a year later.
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Some reviews are very thorough. AnandTech is one of those. Typically, a reviewer spends between a couple of days and a week with a device. Reviewers of the Prime actually commented on how little time they got to spend with it before writing their reviews.
Using a device casually with few apps on it is going to get a different result then loading it up with stuff that the reviewer uses on their own personal device and then using it as a daily driver. Out of the box, even Teg2 devices perform well. A lot of the reviewers really didn't put the Prime through its paces. Look for the reviewers that did, like AnandTech and GSMArena.
The SoC is just one part of the performance equation. For the Prime, the bottleneck looks to be s/w in some cases. I think that's what's happening in your example. And ICS is going to be a big improvement for GB users but it's foundation is actually HC. There are just some things we're going to have to live with in Android and some lag and hesitation in certain functions seems to be one of them. Maybe through s/w optimization and updates Asus (or any manufacturer) may make it better but it seems to be a fact of life. There was a great article from a Google engineer explaining the lag that I'll try to find. It helps understand the difference between iOS and Android.
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Just throwing my two-cents out there but I thought ICS was based on the linux 3.x series kernel and HC was on a 2.6 derivative... That alone makes me feel like ICS is more groud-up built OS as opposed to an OS derived directly from HC. Think revolution, not evolution. Or am I wrong or just blowing this out of proportion?
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Just throwing my two-cents out there but I thought ICS was based on the linux 3.x series kernel and HC was on a 2.6 derivative... That alone makes me feel like ICS is more groud-up built OS as opposed to an OS derived directly from HC. Think revolution, not evolution. Or am I wrong or just blowing this out of proportion?
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Here's some links. There's a bunch of new APIs for developers to write against but, other than that, the only technical benefit to ICS is h/w acceleration. That already exists in HC. It seems that a lot of stuff the manufacturers added-on are now included natively in the OS. So it seems like a "revolution" for GB but "evolution" for HC. Any developers with more insight chime in.
ICS Features:
http://briefmobile.com/android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich-announced-feature-list
ICS Developers Discussion:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/search/label/Android 4.0
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http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/03/android-30-hardware-acceleration.html
Downloaded thumb keyboard. Seems like the best keyboard for tablets. No lag when typing.
I think the consumers will be harsh on the prime because we had to wait for it and there was much hype about the prime. The reviewers from websites didn't spent their hard earned dollars on this piece of equipment.
The way I see it, we have every right to be harsh on judging the prime. We expected something that works. If there were kinks in the software, fine. But seems like we have some real concerns about this device that aren't just kinks.
Hopefully ASUS actually reading these feedbacks and are going to address our concerns soon.
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I dont own a prime but this situation reminds me a lot of when the galaxy s first came out. The reviews were overwelmingly positive but once i got my device it turned out to be nothing like the reviews. It took months and an actual hardware revision before it worked ok.
Never trust early reviews and avoid being an early adopter. I want to see how it performs on ics before buying.
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Have read so many negative comments just want to know if this is the best out or what. It has better spec than any other tablet but all I'm reading are complaints. Mine won't arrive til Wednesday and I haven't planned on buying the dock just picked up that black sleeve that reminds me of origami.
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Have read so many negative comments just want to know if this is the best out or what. It has better spec than any other tablet but all I'm reading are complaints. Mine won't arrive til Wednesday and I haven't planned on buying the dock just picked up that black sleeve that reminds me of origami.
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Yes, it is the best 10.1" Wi-Fi Android tablet out there. The raging debate you're reading is about how long it will stay that way.
You will always hear negative things about any tablet when they first come out. That should be expected nowadays.
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**MODS please close this thread.
Sorry, but really? there are many MANY threads discussing the viability of this topic.
"Best" is a relative concept. seriously. why clutter up the already exploding forum with truly useless threads?
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Have read so many negative comments just want to know if this is the best out or what. It has better spec than any other tablet but all I'm reading are complaints. Mine won't arrive til Wednesday and I haven't planned on buying the dock just picked up that black sleeve that reminds me of origami.
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Yes this is the best out for Android right now and probably stay that way for at least next 4 months or so. The negative comments are just the more vocal ones. More are completely satisfied with device. Like me, and others with none or very minor issues. I'm very satisfied with My prime. Best tablet I ever had and I came from an iPad. Which I loved also but the prime just blows away the Competition at the moment. As with any device, there will be initial issues that are real and effect some users. You have to remember they are the minority. Check out the positive prime thread and you will see how easily this device lived up to the hype and more.
I haven't been able to set the prime down since I got it
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I haven't been able to set the prime down since I got it
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I'm hoping to have mine tomorrow, and I'll probably be the same way with my wife yelling at me to put it down lol.
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I'm hoping to have mine tomorrow, and I'll probably be the same way with my wife yelling at me to put it down lol.
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I know what you mean..lol at least I prepared my Ipad got my woman to use. Signing off Facebook apps n such and deactivating my email accounts on there so she can add her info. I'll always still have access to it and have certain places in there locked down. So she can't go snooping in places she shouldn't be at...lmfao I still have to transfer websites/bookmarks, resume, etc.. To my prime though. My jail broken iPad is a great device but I have moved on to bigger and better, The Prime.
Thread should be moved to questions or closed. Best or not is subjective and a waste of time especially when OP has stated it has the best specs.
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I haven't been able to set the prime down since I got it
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Glad to see I'm not the only one...I was beginning to wonder if this was normal.
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Glad to see I'm not the only one...I was beginning to wonder if this was normal.
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Yes, it is the best Android tablet out right now.
Naturally, the best products out there receive the most scrutiny, so that's why you're reading so many "negative" things about the Prime right now. That's a byproduct of being one of the best products out there.
And as said already, the comments aren't about if the Prime is the best but rather about how long it will be the best. My personal view is that the Prime is an in-between device that is between the 1st gen Android tabs and the wave of 2nd gen tabs coming out in 2012, but I invite you to do your own research on the Prime and on upcoming tablets and to make your own decision on where the Prime stands.
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Yes, it is the best Android tablet out right now.
Naturally, the best products out there receive the most scrutiny, so that's why you're reading so many "negative" things about the Prime right now. That's a byproduct of being one of the best products out there.
And as said already, the comments aren't about if the Prime is the best but rather about how long it will be the best. My personal view is that the Prime is an in-between device that is between the 1st gen Android tabs and the wave of 2nd gen tabs coming out in 2012, but I invite you to do your own research on the Prime and on upcoming tablets and to make your own decision on where the Prime stands.
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I ran out of thanks. Very well put.
If there's one thing I'm going to take with me when I die, it's that this world is composed of 99% whiners.
To this day, I still see people whine about the stupidest things about the TF101. Some examples are a few people whining about being able to see the capacitive sensor grid under certain lighting at a certain angle. I've seen some people whine about the TF101 not feeling like a laptop. In fact, I think that's the #1 complaint I've seen about the TF101. People bought it thinking they can use it like a laptop.
I've seen people whine about the background moving slightly when you scroll from screen to screen.
I have the acer iconia, and so I've seen people whine about ridiculous things about that as well. Everything from the metalic back is cold to the touch to the sensor grid being visible under certain light at certain angle to it doesn't feel like a laptop.
Why is it that the prevalent whine for any tablet is that it doesn't feel like a laptop? Why the hell do people buy the tablet with the intention to use it like a laptop? Is there some kind of mental block involved here?
This is not to say that I see every complaint as a whine. In fact, I think there are many legit complaints about design flaws, software bugs, etc. You just have to filter out all the whines to see the real legit and constructive criticisms.
The point is don't just blindly look at the negative reviews. Actually read those negative reviews and try to weed out all the whines.
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Here's an example.
http://www.amazon.com/Transformer-T...?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar
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Some examples are a few people whining about being able to see the capacitive sensor grid under certain lighting at a certain angle.
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I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I love that.... I can tilt it different ways and see cool different patterns. It's fun to look at...
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I'm not on anything, I swear!
The Prime is the best tablet with the best Tablet-OS right now.
This could or will change in a few months, but this is normal in these days.
Sorry to say but I am not impressed with this tablet. I want to be, but it is just not happening. I just posted an initial review where you can read the details but to summarize:
- Hard to hold, very slippery
- Horrible keyboards
- SLOW web browser
- Short Battery Life
- No real noticable difference performance improvemant compared to my Toshiba Thrive
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Sorry to say but I am not impressed with this tablet. I want to be, but it is just not happening. I just posted an initial review where you can read the details but to summarize:
- Hard to hold, very slippery
- Horrible keyboards...as compared to what? Not sure if you've heard about Andorid market, but the legends tells of many keyboard alternatives it posses.
- SLOW web browser...as compared to what? An iPad (yes it's not iOS)? or your Thrive? Again see above comment.
- Short Battery Life...you've had it for at best a week, the battery is nowhere near broken in.
- No real noticeable difference performance improvement compared to my Toshiba Thrive....Curious, what do you use your tablet for to measure this "performance"? Your email reading isn't going to get any faster with the T3...
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See the above edited quote. It seems you do not perceive the device to meet your expectations...easy solution, return the prime and keep using your Thrive as it is obviously a better solution for you.
My big issue with Prime is that it has gotten lukewarm reviews since release, especially by its users. While people were criticizing my fears and predictions a month ago, reality is that Prime is not as big a step forward as hoped, neither in software nor in hardware.
Hardware seems to be flawed with weak WiFi and the chance of getting a device with some sort of hardware flaw, including light bleeds, weak GPS, dead pixels, weak and unresponsive touch screen, screen that is dusty from behind the glass, or a device that just does not turn on, is higher than that of an average new product. Especially when compared to Apple's releases, which - while not flawless - hasn't made me fearful for the products quality that I am buying. I love Android so much more as a software, despite its weaknesses, simply because the ecosystem and much better openness compared to Apple are worth it for me. It pains me to see a device that has flawed and untested hardware.
Second issue is software. Quad-core does not improve anything much and ICS will not improve things other than (hopefully) the browser. Prime has very little RAM, which I think would be much better for an Android device than quad-core. Prime would be a better device with higher-clocked dual-core processor and 2GB of RAM. And you have to remember that the snappiness of software is highly dependent on hardware too, a recent Finnish review pointed out that the touchscreen is simply weak and not as responsive as it should be, making the software seem slow. This too won't be fixed by ICS.
And let's not forget the issue that I raised very early on about the Prime: battery life. Now that users actually have the device, it has become clear that battery life on Transformer Prime sucks. Everybody was up with pitchforks when I made those early predictions, but those were true predictions. Users report 6-7 hours of battery life in actual use, which is far from 10+ hours. Even with fresh battery this is very little. This means that I could not use Prime as the main device for lectures and web browsing while at University.
I will still be buying it and hoping that I won't get a flawed device, since I'm ordering it internationally and returns are a pain. At least it should be better than the original Transformer. But main reason for my purchase is the keyboard dock. If I did not want the keyboard dock, I would not purchase Transformer Prime.
That makes 3 of us. My wife has gotten mad at me a few times... Lol
I love it, but I am itching for some ICS.
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After being pissed at the delays of the Prime back in December (mostly with the retailer I purchased it from), I decided to cancel my Nov 22 pre-order. Reading some of the negative comments about the Prime from new owners here, I decided to pick up the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. However, even with the negativity being displayed at XDA I still longed to try out the TFP. What can I say, I'm a sucker for specs!
I love the SGT 10.1...even with the current stock ROM. Plan to change ROMs if I ultimately decide to keep it. I have a few days left to return for a full refund.
Just this morning, I found a Prime in stock in my city and will be picking it up later today. This will give me a chance to compare the two side by side and determine which one I will keep. If the Prime shows up with any defects at all (minus the GPS which is a known defect), that will make my decision fairly simple. I'm probably going to be overly picky while scrutinizing this device considering what I've read on this forum. If both feel just as good as one another, I will probably decide to keep the Prime.
My only gripe so far with the Galaxy Tab is that it's just not NEW technology. I wonder how much development can continue for that H/W. Whereas, the tegra3 development still needs to be born...but my assumption is that it will.
I will update with my thoughts.
As I'm sure the SG tab is a swell device, There is no comparison To The Prime.
That's like comparing a mustang to a Lamborghini Don't be fooled by some of the negative reviews. There were plenty like you who doubted. Then they took the plunge and never looked back since. They said they were glad they didn't let the negative comments from some persuade them. Plus only with the Prime will you get Free Ice Cream..lol Now what other tab is giving away free Ice Cream Sandwiches?
Instead, read the positive reviews, which FAR OUTWEIGH the negative ones.
Once you try the TFP with ICS I'm confident you will be returning the Gtab. TFP is by far the best tab experience I've had after trying most.
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As I'm sure the SG tab is a swell device, There is no comparison To The Prime.
That's like comparing a mustang to a Lamborghini Don't be fooled by some of the negative reviews. There were plenty like you who doubted. Then they took the plunge and never looked back since. They said they were glad they didn't let the negative comments from some persuade them. Plus only with the Prime will you get Free Ice Cream..lol Now what other tab is giving away free Ice Cream Sandwiches?
Instead, read the positive reviews, which FAR OUTWEIGH the negative ones.
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I know from many other forums that I frequent that negative comments (on just about any topic) are always SCREAMED much more loudly than anything positive. People rush to the internet to bring up the problems they are experiencing. Misery loves company???
The problem with reading the positive comments are the so-called fanboys that wear rose-coloured glasses. They will forgive just about any defect they see...or, they will not report on it and quietly seek to resolve their own issues while continuing to pump up the product.
Either way, it's really hard to determine from sites like this if problems really are rampant with a particular device (no doubt they do exist for some, though). A small vocal minority can make a huge difference in people's perception on how wide-spread these issues really are.
I am more than happy to have the opportunity to have both in hand and give them "my" real world test.
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I know from many other forums that I frequent that negative comments (on just about any topic) are always SCREAMED much more loudly than anything positive. People rush to the internet to bring up the problems they are experiencing. Misery loves company???
The problem with reading the positive comments are the so-called fanboys that wear rose-coloured glasses. They will forgive just about any defect they see...or, they will not report on it and quietly seek to resolve their own issues while continuing to pump up the product.
Either way, it's really hard to determine from sites like this if problems really are rampant with a particular device (no doubt they do exist for some, though). A small vocal minority can make a huge difference in people's perception on how wide-spread these issues really are.
I am more than happy to have the opportunity to have both in hand and give them "my" real world test.
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very good point and its Fair. The issues some people are having are very real. no denying that. I think the worst I've seen was people who experiencing screen banding issues. I saw some pics and it looks horrible. but as with any other issue, these are in very small numbers. Getting a prime now will more than likely be out of a new batch with the hardware updated that addresses BT/wifi issues n such. Still metal back though. Good Luck on your comparisons. I'm sure you will find the more stock Ice Cream Sandwich experience to be alot smoother n faster than the Galaxy with Touchwiz slapped over the OS. The Galaxy is a real nice device. But at the price point of Prime, the specs, and Performance, it can't be beat now. And the display is just lovely..lol. Report back on your findings.
The Gtab is quite nice, my brother has one and brought it over. I was able to play with the Gtab and the Prime at the same time. To me, the differences were more in the look and feel (I much prefer the Prime, but they are pretty close in size), I didn't get a chance to run any games or anything. However, this was before the ics upgrade which is definitely a game changer. For the same, or similar price, to me it is Prime all the way. Have fun comparing!
I sold my Galaxy Tab to buy my TFP which comes today (i hope), I got almost enough $$ from it to buy the TFP which to me was a no brainer given the improvement in specs, seemed like a good time to upgrade before getting stuck with old technology when the quad cores start flooding the market.
DAMN!
My order was cancelled saying that there were now none in stock. Guess I was a little late in the queue of orders.
Then...I saw it available at another location and promptly ordered...same thing happened again.
Well...I will keep trying until my refund date arrives....if not, the Galaxy Tab is the one for me. I`m going to continue looking for one in the next few days....really hoping to try one, though.
The prime might have ICS, but the galaxy is supposed to get cm9 by the end of the month. I would rather have cm9 over stock ICS. That being said, I sold my galaxy tab for the prime.
My wife has Sgt 10.1. They're just different. We both agree the Touchwiz has got to go. Other than that, if you don't want quad core and prefer the rather delicate plastic back of the sgt, keep it. Ps tf dock > sgt dock.
My wife has a GT 10.1, and when I was using my original Transformer I admit to being a bit jealous. The GT 10.1 has a markedly better screen than the TF101, is much thinner and lighter, and had some simple things that Samsung added that made it a bit nicer, like search in the stock email app.
The Prime, however, killed my envy. It feels more solid than the GT 10.1, is just as thin/light, is of course faster, and the screens are pretty close in normal lighting. However, take the two outside and turn on the Super IPS+ mode on the Prime, and there's no contest. The GT 10.1 is pretty much unusable in direct sunlight (like pretty much all other tablets), while the Prime is perfectly usable, even comfortable. Also, ASUS added in some of those nice missing features, like search in the stock email app.
So, while I'd say the GT 10.1 is the best tablet other than the Prime, the Prime is the better device.
Note: One thing that's certainly heads and shoulders better on the GT 10.1 is GPS. It locks on instantly, and maintains a lock well. It can easily be used as a navigation device using an app with local maps. Huge win here.
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The prime might have ICS, but the galaxy is supposed to get cm9 by the end of the month. I would rather have cm9 over stock ICS. That being said, I sold my galaxy tab for the prime.
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Well once bootloader is unlocked I'm sure we will be seeing cm9 soon enough. We have great Devs and are very quick at turnaround time. I to had Galaxy tab 10.1 16gb version. Returned it for the Prime. It's a good tablet but doesn't compare to the Prime. My wife though has the GT 10.1 and she loves it.
"That's like comparing a mustang to a Lamborghini."
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Well once bootloader is unlocked I'm sure we will be seeing cm9 soon enough. We have great Devs and are very quick at turnaround time. I to had Galaxy tab 10.1 16gb version. Returned it for the Prime. It's a good tablet but doesn't compare to the Prime. My wife though has the GT 10.1 and she loves it.
"That's like comparing a mustang to a Lamborghini."
demandarin
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ah man, you have me laughing. I noticed you quoted what I said..lmfao its true though
I sold my GT 10.1 to get the Prime, which I have had for about 10 days now. The difference is like night and day. The GT 10.1 is so sluggish in comparison. The Prime is light, glam, the screen is amazing, ICS is brilliant, and the dock just adds a whole new dimension! Never looked back!
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-nexus-10-review
>Finally a good review
>http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-nexus-10-review
No way!! A flagship Android tablet getting a good review from an Android site?! SHOCK!
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>Finally a good review
>http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-nexus-10-review
No way!! A flagship Android tablet getting a good review from an Android site?! SHOCK!
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IT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT SAYS EVERYTHING WE WANT TO HEAR. :angel:
>IT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT SAYS EVERYTHING WE WANT TO HEAR.
Hahah yeah exactly. Just as Fox News is good for conservatives and MSNBC is good for liberals. Actually, I shouldn't laugh; selective input is the scourge of today's society.
BTW, I did skim over abovesaid review. Typical fanboy drivel.
"...everything about the Nexus 10 just screams bad-ass."
"Tis a good time to be an Android fan."
And what would you like? It is a good time to be an Android fan and Nexus 10 owner to support the tablet app ecosystem. It's hard to come across a review, which would be written by a person not using either Android or iOS in everyday life, so there is always going to be bias in som sense.
Anyways, Jerry from AndroidCentral is very good with reviews and I believe that if there was something fundementaly wrong with the tablet, he would mention it.
>And what would you like?
What I would like is not to have to take some dude's word (confession: my opinion of the typical blogger is not high.) I'm conversant enough with the tech to make my own assessment. What I would like are hard data (basically numbers and specs,) plus any insight from the reviewer's firsthand use. The reviewer's opinion matters as well, if I can accord it credibility. I don't need the "oh it's great you'll love it trust me" rah-rah crap.
Now, I understand that many people prefer the assurance of an "expert," which I suppose include your garden-variety blogger. Given my iconoclastic bent, I sadly must part with such security blankets.
>It is a good time to be an Android fan and Nexus 10 owner to support the tablet app ecosystem.
It would be a good time for fans if N10 turns out to be successful and engenders a flood of tab apps. We are all hoping for that. But that has yet to happen, so please excuse while I go sit on the eggs.
I realize I'm fated to be the eternal pessimist, but selling N10 retail at $499 isn't the best formula for said success, IMO. That said, please don't let this Neg Nancy spoil your joy.
Really, I hope N10 does well. Rah rah.
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>And what would you like?
What I would like is not to have to take some dude's word (confession: my opinion of the typical blogger is not high.) I'm conversant enough with the tech to make my own assessment. What I would like are hard data (basically numbers and specs,) plus any insight from the reviewer's firsthand use. The reviewer's opinion matters as well, if I can accord it credibility. I don't need the "oh it's great you'll love it trust me" rah-rah crap.
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And what criteria was the AC review missing for you?
Specs: Check.
Personal observations: Check
Personal insight: Check
Specifications on the N10 have been out for weeks, not much more to cover there, but he did include them for the sake of article completeness.
He made fairly astute observations about how it felt in the hand, how it struck him aesthetically, how the device performed, etc.
So his "review crime" was prefacing the article with enthusiasm? He's discredited because he liked the device? That's pretty valuable information in the "insight" category as far as I'm concerned. Sure, it's subjective, but all reviews that are more than regurgitating specs are when you get right down to it.
Windows 8, for example, in purely objective review format, is superior to Windows 7 in every category. But actually using it on a non-touchscreen device will quickly bring to light its weaknesses. However, you really only get that sort of information from either hands-on use or (wait for it) subjective reviews.
I like benchmarks as much as the next guy, and really appreciate sites like Anandtech that have a good methodology for testing. But, I don't buy ANYTHING based on a cold hard Anandtech-style review. Case in point, I don't own any Apple products.
>And what criteria was the AC review missing for you?
Nothing. There were no new insights gleaned--other than that the reviewer is a rabid Android fanboy. Most N10 aspects have already been revealed. The only unknowns remaining are left to the final build, which reportedly are being pushed out OTA as we speak. Hopefully, we'll get info for 4.2's multi-user acct and (possible) Miracast support tomorrow from reviewers.
>Specs: Check.
>Personal observations: Check
If only it were as simple as filling out a checklist, yes?
>Windows 8, for example, in purely objective review format, is superior to Windows 7 in every category.
There's little I can say here to one who has no clue what the word "objective" means. Perhaps you know what "oxymoron" means.
BTW, if Win8 were so awesome, Sinofsky wouldn't be packing his bag right now.
>I like benchmarks as much as the next guy
I don't, as benchmarks rarely matter outside of geek circles. But it's a piece of hard data, assuming proper methodology--which all too often is faulty. Anyway, there are many other important aspects not covered in the typical blog "review" (quotes intentional.) One good case in point is the universally rosy blog reviews of the Asus TF Prime, which turned out to be quite the opposite in real-world use.
>I don't buy ANYTHING based on a cold hard Anandtech-style review.
Anandtech has its pitfalls. Its forte is CPU architectures and traditional x86 desktop testing. Mobile devices and testing are outside of its core competency, and it shows. To wit: The Asus TF Prime was given a similar thumbs-up along with the rest of the blogging circuit. I've noted other lapses. Regardless, its reviews are usually detailed enough, benchmarks aside, that one doesn't have to lean so heavily on the reviewer's judgment. Per the homily: Show me, don't tell me.
In case it's not clear by now, it's more important to review the reviewer than the object being reviewed, because once you know the first, you know the second.
So now we are cherry-picking reviews?! This reminds me of a certain presidential candidate who decided he wasn't really behind, the polls just needed unskewing
And Anandtech rocks! Always has always will
If most of the reviews say its a nice device with so so viewing angles and average battery life then I'm inclined to believe them. And nobody will argue with the fact that that Android tablet App selection needs work compared to iOS.
That said, Apple is an arrogant ****e company and their saint Steve was a prick who never cared about anyone but himself so for me its an easy choice.
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More Good Reviews
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/nexus-10-tablet-is-a-solid-house-built-on-shifting-sands/
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That said, Apple is an arrogant ****e company and their saint Steve was a prick who never cared about anyone but himself so for me its an easy choice.
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"These products are crap because I don't like the guy who made the company"
How about coming up with a sensible reason,
e.g. "I don't want an iPad because I find iOS to be a bit stale, and I like to be able to tinker with my devices.
Pretty sure how a dead guy acted/ how a company acted wouldn't usually affect your product choices, so stop being silly about apple being apple and instead point out the flaws in the tech rather than the company.
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"These products are crap because I don't like the guy who made the company"
How about coming up with a sensible reason,
e.g. "I don't want an iPad because I find iOS to be a bit stale, and I like to be able to tinker with my devices.
Pretty sure how a dead guy acted/ how a company acted wouldn't usually affect your product choices, so stop being silly about apple being apple and instead point out the flaws in the tech rather than the company.
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Unlike silly fanboys I look objectively at the pros and cons of a product. I stated that the iPad was still a bit better tablet than the nexus and clearly listed why. If a company's policies, leadership and general attitude bother me then I don't want to buy their products, so it most definitely affects my product choices. I don't need any other reason than that. I'm soooo sorry if that's not sensible enough for you
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