Originally Posted on DroidRZR.com
We need to make Motorola realize that they cannot break promises and not expect major backlashings from their consumers. They promised to have unlocked bootloaders by the second half of 2011 if carriers let them, and guess what? Its December 31st, 2011. No unlocked bootloader. HTC has unlocked the bootloader for the Thunderbolt and other Verizon devices, so it IS NOT VERIZON. It is Motorola. Let your voice be heard: "Unlock the RAZR Bootloader!"
Motorola on Facebook
Motorola on Twitter
Quoting them will probably be the MOST effective. And mentioning HTC has unlocked their Verizon phones.
“In terms of your question – we completely understand the operator requirement for security to the end user, and as well, want to support the developer communities desire to use these products as a development platform. It is our intention to enable the unlockable/relockable bootloader currently found on Motorola XOOM across our portfolio of devices starting in late 2011, where carriers and operators will allow it.” -Motorola
Open Letter to Motorola - December 31st, 2011.
Similar thread on this forum already....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1419815
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opensourcefan said:
Similar thread on this forum already....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1419815
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Except, that thread includes 0 links, 0 references to Moto quotes and promises, etc.
Don't delete this thread!
People are lazy, we will never get the bootloader unlocked if no one does anything, and this thread provides links and references.
We need all the help we can get!
I second this. Motorola needs to take responsibility for its words and actions.
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I would second this but someone already did, I THIRD IT!
Sounds good I'm in
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The way information moves these days, I'm surprised that it hasn't been leaked out already. I wish someone at moto would go against the grain and do a solid for the community.
I fourth it! =D
I stand corrected, good thing the mods are smarter than me.
If anyone is interested I wrote up this complaint (http://db.tt/Z441y4yG) concerning Verizon's policy of locked bootloaders and how it violates the LTE license. I sent it to the FCC and NY senators, one of whom is looking into the matter. The complaint is written like a legal brief and has garnered the attention of at least senator. Feel free to use it and send it to FCC and your senators.
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opensourcefan said:
I stand corrected, good thing the mods are smarter than me.
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Agreed X 10.
mattlgroff said:
Agreed X 10.
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Wow, kinda mean.
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I just twittered demanding them to answer for their promise. Ignored as expected.
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Guys we did it!!!!!!!
VZW got our petition and my letter, as a result they allowed HTCdev.com to work to unlock our phones!
go to www.htcdev.com and follow the instructions.
good job to all who signed the petition, what an awesome victory!
here is the letter I sent:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20764858&postcount=107
Thank you to everyone who participated
Please read sign, and share the following petition.
http://www.groubal.com/verizon-wireless-allow-unlocking-of-htc-boot-loaders-on-your-network/
With enough signatures, this can work. This is the same method that was used with HTC and resulted in the acknowledgement by the CEO, and the promise of unlocked boot loaders for all phones from now on.
Verizon is trying to protect us from ourselves, they claim that allowing the phones to be unlocked would "hurt" us, as we would not be able to get "excellent customer service" should we ever need troubleshooting advice from them.
We all know that we understand the risk associated custom software and roms, as well as unlocking and changing critical software. We can choose to participate, or choose to leave our phones as Verizon shipped them.
We want the ability to CHOOSE what we do with our phones, not to have VZW protect us from ourselves. Giving us the option to unlock is not the same as shipping the phones in an unlocked state... We simply want the option.
Basically what Verizon is saying is that since it is so easy to root and un-root with virtually no trace they don't want this to be easy because they have replaced thousands of phones already that were "bricked" by the users.
I wouldn't mind a minor lockdown making it somewhat difficult to modify the phone, but this type of lockdown is a little out of hand.
xceebeex said:
Basically what Verizon is saying is that since it is so easy to root and un-root with virtually no trace they don't want this to be easy because they have replaced thousands of phones already that were "bricked" by the users.
I wouldn't mind a minor lockdown making it somewhat difficult to modify the phone, but this type of lockdown is a little out of hand.
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the current lock down in place can stay in place. We just want them to allow HTC to unlock our phones should we choose to use their unlock tool, created and supported by HTC, for HTC phones.
nothing has to change except that.
signed via tweet lol
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I'd rather petition HTC on providing unlock keys. Verizon already knows how to ignore us.
Serinety said:
the current lock down in place can stay in place. We just want them to allow HTC to unlock our phones should we choose to use their unlock tool, created and supported by HTC, for HTC phones.
nothing has to change except that.
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Ah, I didn't realize there was an HTC tool to do that. I am new to HTC phones, my previous two phones were Samsungs (Fascinate and Charge) and they were both ridiculously easy to unlock.
Will you be posting this on other websites? Rootz perhaps? Is there a rezound specific website to post it on? Come on people, only 7 of us want our phones unlocked? Sign, sign, sign.
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Spreading the word about getting HTC Rezound's Bootloader S-Off
Comicazy said:
Will you be posting this on other websites? Rootz perhaps? Is there a rezound specific website to post it on? Come on people, only 7 of us want our phones unlocked? Sign, sign, sign.
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I have posted my thread on several android forums (other than xda) a bit ago, which also included a link to Serinety's petition in it.
Hopefully we see more action on petition signing.
Signed
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I'll need someone else to post in rootz as I don't have link privledges yet.
I also posted this on xda general as well as tweeting it about 7 relevant hash tags
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Signed! 10char
Done, and done....
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Serinety said:
I'll need someone else to post in rootz as I don't have link privledges yet.
I also posted this on xda general as well as tweeting it about 7 relevant hash tags
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I posted on Rootz a bit ago
Signed, thanks for the heads up!
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+10 Char
Signed.
I like this one. hopefully Verizon has open ears like HTC.
it would make many people happy people.
Signed
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Well its been a year and our bootloaders are still locked. In 2011 moto promised to embrace the dev community and unlock all the bootloaders on their phones. HTC started offering unlocks but moto hasn't said a word. I personally think it has something to do with Google's purchased of Motorola mobility but I'm not sure. They haven't issued any type of statement regarding this issue. Lets take action! We need EVERY one in the photon forums to take 3 mins and fill this out. This petition is flying around teh interwebz extremely fast. Its definitely going around XDA as all moto owners are joining forces, let's get in on it! I hope moto responds I really like them as a company now...
728/1000 (1st goal) signatures so far.
The article:
http://phandroid.com/2012/01/04/mot...ers/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
Here's the link to the petition:
http://www.change.org/petitions/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2#
XDA thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1419815
Edit: I tried to sign from my device but it wasn't working correctly. Please take 3 mins and sign from computer unless it works for you on phone.
got mine filled out.
I filled it out BUT....
I Hope I don't get a bunch of obama spam.
Signed. Now where is their facebook page.....
Signed. Is this the official Motorola page? Time to spam with requests to unlock the bootloader or at least give an update on it?
Signed
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http://m.facebook.com/wall.php?id=121867580498&refid=0&_rdr
I think this is.
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I think ur right. I think one is Motorola and the other is mobility. I left comments on both pages.
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Same. Posted links on Reddit as well so hopefully that will stir some comments.
Signed it. Isn't anyone from motorola lurking here?
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From this site
It is our intention to offer an unlockable/relockable bootloader, currently found on MOTOROLA XOOM, in future software releases starting in late 2011 where operator and channel partners will allow it.
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Who are the operator and channel partners? Perhaps they are the ones hindering this?
I was #980.
kennypow3rs said:
I personally think it has something to do with Google's purchased of Motorola mobility but I'm not sure.
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The Google deal still is being held up and there is a chance that it may still get kiboshed. So I don't think it's that..
rbeavers said:
I filled it out BUT....
I Hope I don't get a bunch of obama spam.
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Here we go "Thanks for Joining" and an auto gen. password email.
rbeavers said:
Here we go "Thanks for Joining" and an auto gen. password email.
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Damn, I wish I would have read this thread before signing. I hate strings....especially political ones.
Moto is deleting posts from users on their Facebook.
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You're not going to get spammed. They sent me 1 email with my password and that's it. I honestly would NEVER do that to you guys. Its s legit petition to get their attention dudes.
Edit: OK wait I got one if those political emails WTF lol. Just hit unsubscribe at the bottom of email.
MedicStuder said:
Moto is deleting posts from users on their Facebook.
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Bastards. This is definitely getting their attention indeed.
MedicStuder said:
Moto is deleting posts from users on their Facebook.
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My two cents on FB.If you agree then "like" the hell out of it. Catch it before it disappears.... and gets reposted.
Lokifish Marz said:
My two cents on FB.If you agree then "like" the hell out of it. Catch it before it disappears.... and gets reposted.
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bahah i saw that post and was like "I swear that name is familiar"
This my be already posted but I haven't seen it on here yet. (this is my first post and I'm realllllly scared lol)
Motorola has released an updated list of their devices scheduled for Android 4.0! And finally, we have some confirmation that us X2 owners will get a taste of that delicious ICS. Moto hasn't really laid out the details yet, but atleast we know they're thinking about us! I found the article on Androidpolice.com. Since I'm a newbie, I can't post a link to it but just go to the website and search Motorola and it's second from the top!
Sidenote: Thank you all for sharing your knowledge! You guys make me feel like I actually know what I'm doing!
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Y'all already know I got a little excited when I first posted this... I am sorry for making it sound like "Hey we are definitely getting ICS!" I saw that the X2 was still in the "Evaluation and Planning" phase of development and truth is it could go either way! So thank you for not destroying this freshie and sharing your knowledge!
Droid X2 w/CM7 and lovin' it.
Would that include us Milestone owners? They're essentially the same device. If so.....YAY!
754boy said:
Would that include us Milestone owners? They're essentially the same device. If so.....YAY!
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As I understand it, the Milestone 3 is on the list!
I wouldn't put too much weight on the word of a company that said they'd give us unlocked bootloaders by the end of 11'.
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Bohnsta said:
This my be already posted but I haven't seen it on here yet. (this is my first post and I'm realllllly scared lol)
Motorola has released an updated list of their devices scheduled for Android 4.0! And finally, we have some confirmation that us X2 owners will get a taste of that delicious ICS. Moto hasn't really laid out the details yet, but atleast we know they're thinking about us! I found the article on Androidpolice.com. Since I'm a newbie, I can't post a link to it but just go to the website and search Motorola and it's second from the top!
Sidenote: Thank you all for sharing your knowledge! You guys make me feel like I actually know what I'm doing!
Droid X2 w/CM7 and lovin' it.
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ummm on the website it says in evaluation that means they are seeing if it works good this is NOT a certainty do NOT get your hopes up. Moto has effed us over before :/
Motorola can kiss my rump. I'm getting ready to order a Galaxy Nexus as my main phone. Droid x2 is a great phone but its just too locked down for me. I miss having a working rom manager. I'm a flash addict and miss being able to flash without being plugged into the charger.
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This is the part that scares me...
Theve lied to us before....
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My bet is that "under evaluation" is their way of saying no, while stringing us along..
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Like I said in the other topic they best keep updating us at least onto more 2.3.? . This thing is still full of problems especially audio.
Bohnsta said:
This my be already posted but I haven't seen it on here yet. (this is my first post and I'm realllllly scared lol)
Motorola has released an updated list of their devices scheduled for Android 4.0! And finally, we have some confirmation that us X2 owners will get a taste of that delicious ICS. Moto hasn't really laid out the details yet, but atleast we know they're thinking about us! I found the article on Androidpolice.com. Since I'm a newbie, I can't post a link to it but just go to the website and search Motorola and it's second from the top!
Sidenote: Thank you all for sharing your knowledge! You guys make me feel like I actually know what I'm doing!
Droid X2 w/CM7 and lovin' it.
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Thanks for the post, however, this does not guarantee that ics is coming to the Droid. Notice it is in the planning and evaluation mode. Note how other phones are listed at getting ics in the 3rd quarter of 2012.
I wouldn't hold your breath.
People, I understand how companies have to plan for releases. Believe me, I know as I am an architect and developer for a major utility company. What I expect from Motorola are constant updates, not some vague posting that sits there for months with NO updates what-so-ever. Kind of like how we were promised to have unlocked bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and it never happened. Motorola NEVER gave an update as to why this was nor if they were going to do it at a later date. Instead, dead silence and then the release of the Droid RAZR Developer Edition which costs $100 more than the MSP and no guarantee that it would be released by Verizon or other carriers. In fact, it's not schedule for release in the US for some time, which could turn out to be never.
So, don't take this update from Motorola sitting down. We MUST continue to hound them, tactfully, to release ICS for the X2 and other Motorola phones that are more than capable of running it. In addition, they MUST be made to come through on their promise to unlock the bootloader. Remember, do it with tact. As I've stated in another post, I've already filed my BBB complaint to Motorola which has been accepted by the BBB and forwarded on to Motorola, so the ball is in their court now. I suggest everyone else does the same. The more complaints, the more likely they respond, hopefully with a gesture that meets our wants and needs.
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jcbwaters3 said:
Motorola can kiss my rump. I'm getting ready to order a Galaxy Nexus as my main phone. Droid x2 is a great phone but its just too locked down for me. I miss having a working rom manager. I'm a flash addict and miss being able to flash without being plugged into the charger.
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I got rid of my DX2 for an LTE GN and I haven't looked back since. The open world of bootloaders is amazing!
donlad said:
I got rid of my DX2 for an LTE GN and I haven't looked back since. The open world of bootloaders is amazing!
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I'm ordering my Galaxy Nexus today. Never again will I spend money on a Motorola device.
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Buying Moto was a big mistake. Yes. I think I will now admit it. Literally NO updates and they treat you like Sh*T. Good going Moto. Not to mention the fact that the devs give it a miss. I don't blame them at all. When other major corps (HTC at least) have listened to their customers and unlocked their boot loaders and released their source code, what makes Moto so special and not follow suit. A while back they were nearly non-existent. Until Google bought 'em.
I am growing impatient as I slowly see the world progress towards faster and newer OSes and inspite of paying a bomb and buying killer hardware, have to be stuck with MotoBla and am at the mercy of Motorola. Hmmm...*checks if the logo behind isn't a bitten apple*
As if this wasn't enough, add to it CDMA/GSM confusion. Some really awesome ROMs out there for CDMA and we, the GSM lot, just helplessly watch as a third world country. No doubt the devs are working day and night on patches and ROMs...but the progress is visibly slow (for GSM that is).
On the other hand whatever brighter side is left, yes, the hardware and looks are killer. But now I think it's pointless.
Never again Moto. YES sir.
Comments welcome, positive criticism welcome too.
But if you are gonna reply, "Oh one more thread about bla bla..." I suggest you simply hit the back button and go help some noob.
This is my perspective on being with a Moto phone for less than a year.
Buying Moto was a big mistake. Yes. I think I will now admit it.
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Wait... you bought Motorola? I thought Google did.
TIL
I am waiting for kexec to be ported to our device by hash. He is running custom kernel on the DROID 3 with ics atm
To be honest I am tired of waiting for kholk, hash managed to get both cores running
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Oh one more thread about bla bla...
eyriiii said:
I am waiting for kexec to be ported to our device by hash. He is running custom kernel on the DROID 3 with ics atm
To be honest I am tired of waiting for kholk, hash managed to get both cores running
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You paid to Moto not to the dev.. so stop complaining about them being slow.
be grateful because at least they're trying..
Android is fun because so many generous people working hard for it :good:
SoonerLater said:
Wait... you bought Motorola? I thought Google did.
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I wish...
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You mad bro?
just lou said:
You mad bro?
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And what exactly makes you say that? Tell me what have I said that u think is wrong...then let's see who is mad.
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And I think u either don't know English or can't comprehend sentences...the last line clearly reads, only if u have something positive and constructive to contribute, reply. Otherwise, politely, buzz off.
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Although all the repliers in this thread have valid points I have to agree with the op. I like the RAZR. Its got great build quality and features. The screen sucks balls and support from moto is disappointing. I am waiting until I can afford it and swapping to something else. Depending on what I can afford, anything from a nexus s to galaxy s3.
All this and I had a dell streak that I would happily have instead.
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That would be the last resort, selling it. Swapping it for another phone...hmmm.
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MarkyG82 said:
Although all the repliers in this thread have valid points I have to agree with the op. I like the RAZR. Its got great build quality and features. The screen sucks balls and support from moto is disappointing. I am waiting until I can afford it and swapping to something else. Depending on what I can afford, anything from a nexus s to galaxy s3.
All this and I had a dell streak that I would happily have instead.
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So " u mad bro" is a valid post? xD
Joke mode off
I can understand op point of view, while the rar is amazing from the hw point of view, the part of being motorola is the one that lower it's value.
Probably my next phone will be not a motorola, unless they change their behavior. Maybe losing in a quarter almost what they lost in a year can make change their idea a bit
We can only hope. My view is that they won't change. I was victim of their dext update fail and they say once bitten, twice shy. I'll change that to twice bitten, never buy.
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Edit. Yes I think 'you mad bro' is valid. This is an open forum about general RAZR related chat after all
MarkyG82 said:
We can only hope. My view is that they won't change. I was victim of their dext update fail and they say once bitten, twice shy. I'll change that to twice bitten, never buy.
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Edit. Yes I think 'you mad bro' is valid. This is an open forum about general RAZR related chat after all
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Nothing valid about "you mad bro". Its high time we have a serious conversation about these things don't ya think??
Now checking out LG OPTIMUS 4X...looks good. But don't want another Motorola episode rerun in my life.
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I understand the aggravation, but I don't understand why people find it necessary to post rants here. Xda is a development forum for developers, essentially your going to get a nod of agreement or flamed for littering the threads, why waste your energy? Why not voice your disappointment to the company that caused your grief. If Motorola and verizon's forums, Facebook, etc. we're filled with as many post with customer complaints as xda is they might do something about it just to shut us up.
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rigbyrobot said:
I understand the aggravation, but I don't understand why people find it necessary to post rants here. Xda is a development forum for developers, essentially your going to get a nod of agreement or flamed for littering the threads, why waste your energy? Why not voice your disappointment to the company that caused your grief. If Motorola and verizon's forums, Facebook, etc. we're filled with as many post with customer complaints as xda is they might do something about it just to shut us up.
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I agree. But again, I made sure I'm not posting in the dev section but in the general section. I just wanted to see how many people agree or am I just "mad".
Anyways...
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I'm with you 100% other phones get the good stuff even lower end ones and we got a good piece of hardware but can't exploit it the way it sould be.
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Moto dies make awesome phones.. But their updates leaves much to be desired.
If only they can apply their six sigma on customer satisfaction on updates..
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I'm seriously looking at other options as of now...LG OPTIMUS 4X looks good..Tegra 3, and other cool hardware..4cores that go silent when not needed and spring back to action when needed..or so the ad says...
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Have you guys had phones like the DROID charge where you are left in the dust with crickets and barren desert for a dev scene and no updates at all?
You don't know how good you have it with this phone.
The phone you want is not available and it is a RAZR HD Nexus model.
I am extremely content with this phone.
Used to flash anything that came out for my Samsung phones to try and eek out a little extra performance. This phone doesn't need that.
SHVR MAXX
I have Epsilon V4 running on my gsm Razr. I have friends who have Galaxy and Nexus devices, among other premium devices. They care little about benchmarks and ROMs. They (We) worry more about email, some photo apps, social networking, some games, and business related apps. Hell I had to talk them into rooting and such. One thing they do care about is the "feel" that my razor has; its uniqueness, they grab it, fondle it, leet it rest on their hands and stare at the kevlar.
That being said, I don't think I want to buy a plastic telephone that develops cracks for no apparent reason. Furthermore, if time and business allow I am considering learning the related stuff to Android development. Not just for the challenge and fun, but for the very principle "If you want something done your way, you get to it."
Nobody forced me, or any adult for that matter, to obtain and keep this phone. If anybody is that unhappy with their device, I'd say it will be quite simple to sell it and get something one wants.
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Where is the up the 4.2.2 update for the US? HTC needs to stop spending money on stupid marketing and develop the 4.2.2 update for ATT. Hurry this change! I think it is time to send a message to HTC on its Facebook page. Start posting and let them know your displeasure.
It's already out for the international one, if people want it so bad they can flash a custom Rom or even a full ruu
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Nick281051 said:
It's already out for the international one, if people want it so bad they can flash a custom Rom or even a full ruu
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Hell, go all out and flash the 4.3 Google Play Edition ROM.
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Hell, go all out and flash the 4.3 Google Play Edition ROM.
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Assuming they want stock android yeah
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Yeah some people just want stock AT&T Sense. Anyways, I believe it's AT&T fault for not rolling out the update. HTC leaves it up to the carrier to when they want to release the update. I could be wrong because Tmo and Sprint hasn't released 4.2.2 either. I have a feeling that The Verizon HTC one will be released before we see an update.
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I've been on 4.2.2 for a little over a month now. Everything just works, and no AT&T bloat. Also have the AT&T OTA radio flashed and the build.prop tweaks needed for the new channels.
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Assuming they want stock android yeah
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Very true, I hadn't considered that. I'm not sure HTC Sense will be "worth it" for me...
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monkeylarue1 said:
Where is the up the 4.2.2 update for the US? HTC needs to stop spending money on stupid marketing and develop the 4.2.2 update for ATT. Hurry this change! I think it is time to send a message to HTC on its Facebook page. Start posting and let them know your displeasure.
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Hahaha like it's all HTCs fault... International has it and there is basically no difference between international and AT&T software besides stupid bloat, so go complain to AT&T if you want. I'm sure they'll send the OTA to your phone right there on the spot. :thumbup:
Posts/threads like this are way to common and a waste of space, I just don't get it.
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FanDroid09 said:
Hahaha like it's all HTCs fault... International has it and there is basically no difference between international and AT&T software besides stupid bloat, so go complain to AT&T if you want. I'm sure they'll send the OTA to your phone right there on the spot. :thumbup:
Posts/threads like this are way to common and a waste of space, I just don't get it.
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yeah what's up with this? didn't XDA used to require like 50 posts before you could start a thread? this is why we have androidforums.com. regardless, HTC needs to spend more on marketing so that more people will buy their products and ATT will have to prioritize the updating. this delay is not on HTC...it's almost 100% on AT&T. ATT had the HOX JB update for like 3.5 months before they pushed it out to people, and their own customer service isn't even made privy to the status. this is what the purchase of subsidized phones and contracts gets us consumers. if it's REALLY a problem for you, then you're at XDA for the solution. this isn't a place to complain. if you want stock sense, that's fine, I can totally appreciate it, but you dont come to, and sign up for, a Dev website to ***** about the lack of a stock OTA from a carrier known to take (queue Sandlot) FOR-EV-ER to update it's phones.
Interesting. Thank you to everyone for your thoughtful comments. I have rooted a lot of phones and wanted to see why the update was not moving forward. The extra colorful comments are welcomed as well. The only issue with forums is I could be gaining advise from experts or middle school students.
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monkeylarue1 said:
Interesting. Thank you to everyone for your thoughtful comments. I have rooted a lot of phones and wanted to see why the update was not moving forward. The extra colorful comments are welcomed as well. The only issue with forums is I could be gaining advise from experts or middle school students.
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I think the snide replies are rooted in the fact that the basic sentiment of your original post has been stated an overwhelming amount of times on this website, especially with regards to AT&T and HTC issuing an OTA for major - and even minor - software updates. Many folks get tired of coming to this site to read the same thing, hence the increased likelihood of getting a snide reply.
Truthfully, the update probably is moving forward, it's just that AT&T is about as transparent as the Bush administration so we never have any clue where things stand with regards to actual delivery of the updates. Yes, forums is probably going to be hit or miss with regards to quality of advice. But the way you're delivering your comment here makes you seem like you should be in forums, and is probably going to get you some colorful responses from non-middle schoolers.
If you've rooted as much as you claim, you probably know that we almost never know why carrier updates are not moving forward....or if they're moving forward at all. Many come here to find technical solutions and workarounds to that exact ongoing problem, and often get annoyed seeing the same thing posted again and again in each subforum. I think the general assumption here is that many of us are, in fact, frequently posting complaints/concerns/comments on carrier and manufacturer websites, social media pages, forums, etc. We're all on the same boat, or at least many of us.
We welcome rallying for a cause here, but it's possible there's a better way to go about starting a rally for this issue. In the past, folks have posted the actual interactions they've received from customer support reps and techs, feedback responses, etc, and discussions have ensued as to the best ways to get in touch with the companies involved with regards to really displaying the distaste of both the developer and general enthusiast consumer. The AT&T/Rogers/Telus HTC One X forums is a great case study, in particular, the rally around getting the original JB update RUU, source, etc.
I've had a few interactions with HTC and ATT with regards to future updates, but have gotten absolutely zero information from them. Sadly, they mask their lack of sharing as ignorance all too well. Even more sad is that CSRs and technicians are probably not really lying at all when they claim to know nothing about the updates. Again, we're hooked into contract, not to mention that the vast majority of their consumers don't realize the potential benefits of upgrades, and in many cases aren't even aware of their potential existence. That's where we'll probably really see the change, in getting more people familiarized with the beast we are burdened to deal with; not here, but in the general public.
monkeylarue1 said:
Interesting. Thank you to everyone for your thoughtful comments. I have rooted a lot of phones and wanted to see why the update was not moving forward. The extra colorful comments are welcomed as well. The only issue with forums is I could be gaining advise from experts or middle school students.
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Oh haha you just wanted to see why it wasn't moving forward is all?
Strange, then why didn't you ask WHY it wasn't moving forward? Instead you complained that its taking to long and then blindly blamed HTCs new marketing campaign for the delay? Doesn't make any SENSE (pun intended).
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This information just came in today. Looks like HTC will jump to 4.3 for the Dev edition at least. Here's the full article: http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/08/18/htc-one-developer-edition-jumping-to-android-4-3/
JazzyCarr0t said:
This information just came in today. Looks like HTC will jump to 4.3 for the Dev edition at least. Here's the full article: http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/08/18/htc-one-developer-edition-jumping-to-android-4-3/
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Scrumtrillescent
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"adj: So great that any other word employed would be woefully insufficient, and would serve only to limit the sheer magnitude of the greatness intended as a descriptor."
For those who aren't familiar with the word.
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Cool.
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