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How high do you think we can clock the processors on the EVO 3D? I recall they are 1.5 ghz chips underclocked to conserve battery life. Think these can hit that magical 2.0? Or at least 1.8?
I could see maybe 1.6 but honestly nothing over 1.4ghz is worth it... (batter>speed)
And nothing currently requires anything over 1.2ghz or 1.5ghz for that matter, other than peoples e-penis.
Id like to see a 1.4ghz uv kernel over 1.8ghz 1 hour battery killer but I will use and test all of them
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nate420 said:
I could see maybe 1.6 but honestly nothing over 1.4ghz is worth it... (batter>speed)
And nothing currently requires anything over 1.2ghz or 1.5ghz for that matter, other than peoples e-penis.
Id like to see a 1.4ghz uv kernel over 1.8ghz 1 hour battery killer but I will use and test all of them
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Well that's your opinion. I highly doubt a overclocking the processor to 1.8 would bring the phone down to one hour of battery life. It's not like it would be constantly running at that speed. I would prefer speed over battery life as I charge my phone every night and have plenty left over even overclocked to almost 1.3 on my EVO.
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I could see maybe 1.6 but honestly nothing over 1.4ghz is worth it... (batter>speed)
And nothing currently requires anything over 1.2ghz or 1.5ghz for that matter, other than peoples e-penis.
Id like to see a 1.4ghz uv kernel over 1.8ghz 1 hour battery killer but I will use and test all of them
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I think this is less about practicality and more about pushing our phone to the limits. overclocking on an already fast enough processor on a device which runs for the most part on battery, is not needed. however it is fun and nice to see the benchmarks soar.
I say 1.8ghz-2ghz
If they're anything like the EVO 4G, then it wont be a very high overclock
But assuming all are capable of 1.5 GHz, then it would be at least a 400-450 MHz overclock!
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If they're anything like the EVO 4G, then it wont be a very high overclock
But assuming all are capable of 1.5 GHz, then it would be at least a 400-450 MHz overclock!
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My g2x was overclocked to 1.6ghz and its only a 1ghz dual core phone...
Id say we could see maybe 1.8ghz if this phone is really 1.5 dropped down to 1.2
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fmedina2 said:
Well that's your opinion. I highly doubt a overclocking the processor to 1.8 would bring the phone down to one hour of battery life. It's not like it would be constantly running at that speed. I would prefer speed over battery life as I charge my phone every night and have plenty left over even overclocked to almost 1.3 on my EVO.
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Again for e-penis and bragging rights on benchmarks nothing more...
As for saying 1.8 oc would kill it in a hour I was joking...
And I bet dollars to donuts you don't see a change in "speed" past 1.6ghz other than a hot battery.
Ginger bread can't fully optimize dual cores it does the job but untill a new os is out
no point ruining a battery for "speed" you won't see
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While performance is key, I'd say this phone is well above the bar of expectations for most Android Apps at the current time. I'm more interested in squeezing the most battery life I possibly can via Underclocking. It will be nice to see how far this can be pushed with Two Cores to spread the workload across.
nate420 said:
I could see maybe 1.6 but honestly nothing over 1.4ghz is worth it... (batter>speed)
And nothing currently requires anything over 1.2ghz or 1.5ghz for that matter, other than peoples e-penis.
Id like to see a 1.4ghz uv kernel over 1.8ghz 1 hour battery killer but I will use and test all of them
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btw the way i have the bigest e penis lol it is googolplex inchs
why are people saying such low numbers the second gen snapdragons can go to what 1.9? if ours is 1.5 stock dropped down to 1.2 then i think we can at least hit 2
I'd bet that the chips in these phones will be those that were unstable at 1.5 ghz. That's how chip makers do these things. They make them all the same, then those with unstable silicon are sold as a lower clock speed. Not sure I'd expect over 1.5 and that might require higher voltage. Hope I'm wrong. We'll see I guess.
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I'd bet that the chips in these phones will be those that were unstable at 1.5 ghz. That's how chip makers do these things. They make them all the same, then those with unstable silicon are sold as a lower clock speed. Not sure I'd expect over 1.5 and that might require higher voltage. Hope I'm wrong. We'll see I guess.
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Wrong, to lazy to explain for now.
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Wrong.....
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toxicfumes22 said:
Wrong, to lazy to explain for now.
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OK, a little less lazy right now. But simply the way that manufactures choose the speeds for processors is actually simple. In the case of the 3D it IS underclocked. The processor is an asynchronous dual core with clock speeds initially set at 1.5 by Qualcom and is used in Qualcom's phone they produce for developers. It is underclocked by HTC because of battery problems listed from the 4G and the unnecessary need of 1.5GHz in a F*ing phone. Manufactures for the most part do not underclock the CPU. The reason it is set at the level it is, is because it is most stable, efficient and meets the heat extraction needs (People forget CPUs are just circuits and produce heat with more voltage). OK lets back this up shall we. OK.
That is why I'm too lazy to post thing, I have to search up a link cause most of this is my general knowledge. Anyways, the QSD8650 found in the EVO 4G is clocked at 1GHz and has been posted to a stable 1.3GHz I believe by a recent post. Now the MSM8660 is posted to be a 1.5GHz CPU, so its overclocking potential is more near 2GHz but I would suspect it to get a little warm(sweaty palms anyone?) and I wouldn't know how stable it would be either (I don't know phones the best). Why is it underclocked? Because people kept *****ing at how much battery the EVO used and as technology improves so does the efficiency of CPUs so they go with the most recent and just underclock it. I've seen a comparison graph somewhere by Qualcom but I spent about 10minutes looking for it and couldn't find it but it was really nifty. If someone finds it plz post it, it shows the energy vs Clock speed and it is very cool.
Anyways, to respond to whoever said that the 1.5GHz is the max and that all manufacturers underclock the CPU based upon the silicon is WRONG, wrong WrOnG and Rong/wong (Im sorry I dont remember the exact response). Anyways, its the heat extraction and the silicon hurts it because it doesn't let all the heat through, which is one of the reason your PS3 may have yellow lighted on you(Yes its because of the CPU disconnecting from the Motherboard, but why do you think this extra heat was generated?).
Sorry this is so long and I got distracted a few times while writing it so it I messed up or something doesn't make sense I apologize but being lazy is really a pain in the ass.
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I'd bet that the chips in these phones will be those that were unstable at 1.5 ghz. That's how chip makers do these things. They make them all the same, then those with unstable silicon are sold as a lower clock speed. Not sure I'd expect over 1.5 and that might require higher voltage. Hope I'm wrong. We'll see I guess.
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That would be the case if this wasn't an MSM 8660. You're thinking like when AMD makes chips for the HD 6970 and some are found not to be stable at 880 mhz so they bin it to use in the HD 6950 which runs at 800 mhz. These are actually sold as two separate products. In the case of the processor in the Evo it's an MSM 8660 which is sold by qualcomm to be run at speeds as high as 1.5 ghz. If they wanted to sell chips binned for lower speeds they'd have to sell it as a different model since it wouldn't be capable of the 1.5hz.
jersey221 said:
why are people saying such low numbers the second gen snapdragons can go to what 1.9? if ours is 1.5 stock dropped down to 1.2 then i think we can at least hit 2
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1.9?
No sir it was 1.19stable...
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That would be the case if this wasn't an MSM 8660. You're thinking like when AMD makes chips for the HD 6970 and some are found not to be stable at 880 mhz so they bin it to use in the HD 6950 which runs at 800 mhz. These are actually sold as two separate products. In the case of the processor in the Evo it's an MSM 8660 which is sold by qualcomm to be run at speeds as high as 1.5 ghz. If they wanted to sell chips binned for lower speeds they'd have to sell it as a different model since it wouldn't be capable of the 1.5hz.
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Can you explain this to me please.
toxic and donatom,
Your explanations make perfect sense. So I hope to be wrong. Does qualcomm sell a processor with that same architecture and a lower clock advertised?
Just seems like they're not gonna throw them away if they are stable and 1.2 or 1.4 but less stable at 1.5+. The 3vo seems like a good way for them to unload those processors.
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toxic and donatom,
Your explanations make perfect sense. So I hope to be wrong. Does qualcomm sell a processor with that same architecture and a lower clock advertised?
Just seems like they're not gonna throw them away if they are stable and 1.2 or 1.4 but less stable at 1.5+. The 3vo seems like a good way for them to unload those processors.
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To my knowledge, if this happens it gets recycled. But.....if this happens a lot then they need to change their manufacturing process or that the technology isn't there yet. Like now we have the technology to do 64GB MicroSD, but why do it because most devices can only do 32GB. For the companies that do sell them, well....I don't have good words for them, I also don't know of this happening. I can understand that it could be useful for donations to universities or others that could use them for damn near free prices, but not resold even under a different name.
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Can you explain this to me please.
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Well in the case of AMD with many of their chip lines they produce a higher end chip. The ones that don't fully pass the tests at the higher speed get sold as a different model with a lower clock and voltage.
I have the most experience with the HD 6970 and 6950. They both use the same GPU, but the ones in the 6950 didn't pass AMD's tests at higher speeds so they are set at a lower clock and voltage than the 6970 (they also have some shaders disbaled). They are sold as two different models even though they were made the exact same way with the same silicone. This is not new chip manufacturers have been doing this for a while.
Think of it this way I make 100k chips out of those 100k I'm going to have a percentage that can't perform at their top performance, so instead of throwing them away I make a different model and underclock it and still make money on the chips that didn't pass at the higher speed. Now sometimes I will sell more of the lower end model so I actually have to take some chips that probably would have passed as the higher end model and sell them at the lower end. In this case the user gets lucky and can unlock their chip to the performance of the higher priced model.
EDIT: What HTC is doing here is buying a 1.5ghz chip but purposely underclocking it to save battery, since they figured most users wouldn't see the .3 ghz difference but would see the difference in battery life. Again in video cards you see this but usually the other way around. A manufacturer such as Asus, gigabyte, whomever takes the best of their chips they bought and overclocks them because again some were made even better than the standards set by AMD or Nvidia.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is that ALL these chips should do 1.5 ghz stable without question, unless there isn't enough space inside for the cooling requirements at 1.5ghz (which I doubt), and most should easily go above 1.6.
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To my knowledge, if this happens it gets recycled. But.....if this happens a lot then they need to change their manufacturing process or that the technology isn't there yet. Like now we have the technology to do 64GB MicroSD, but why do it because most devices can only do 32GB. For the companies that do sell them, well....I don't have good words for them, I also don't know of this happening. I can understand that it could be useful for donations to universities or others that could use them for damn near free prices, but not resold even under a different name.
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This is something that happens mostly in higher end processors because their tolerances at those speeds are less forgiving. No manufacturing process is perfect, you're going to have some that won't perform at those very high speeds, and recycling would cost more to the company and environment then simply selling them at lower speeds. These chips are not bad, and not defective, just found to not be stable at those highest speeds, but are perfectly fine at the speeds they are being sold at, so why throw them away. If they don't meet the standards at the lower speed then yes they would be recycled.
My phone is running on CM7 Beta 3 and I want to overclock it to 1.5 Ghz I followed the inscructions here http://bugbig.com/how-to-overclock-motorola-atrix-4g-to-1-5-ghz
and when I typed on the emulator : ''insmod olympus_overclock.ko'' it was written : insmod: init_module 'olympus_overclock.ko' failed (exec format error)
I'm running on Faux's kernel (faux123) so what can I do to overclock my phone to 1.5 Ghz ?
Thank you in advance
Why 1.5? What's magic about that number? Doubt we will ever see 1.5 on Atrix. Dual core already gets hot enough at 1.1 and there is no cooling available. Different to a single core OC.
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that guide is extremely outdated. the kernel module you're trying to use was released before the bootloader was unlocked, and as far as i've read from Faux123 there is something limiting our ability to overclock that we just haven't broken through yet.
belig1234 said:
My phone is running on CM7 Beta 3 and I want to overclock it to 1.5 Ghz I followed the inscructions here http://bugbig.com/how-to-overclock-motorola-atrix-4g-to-1-5-ghz
and when I typed on the emulator : ''insmod olympus_overclock.ko'' it was written : insmod: init_module 'olympus_overclock.ko' failed (exec format error)
I'm running on Faux's kernel (faux123) so what can I do to overclock my phone to 1.5 Ghz ?
Thank you in advance
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A few things to consider.
May be the kernel you are using is not meant to work with CM7 Beta.
May be you are following the steps but the guide itself is broken.
May be you are trying to OC your phone to 1.5 GHz but the script is broken.
You said you are running Faux's kernel, well that kernel is only taking your phone to 1.1 GHz, how and why do you expect your phone to magically OC itself to 1.5?
Just 2 cents : I agree with CaelanT, this phone is a Monster itself. When you OC your phone to 1.1, it just bloody flies... Whats the need to OC it all the way to 1.5? Also, while OC'd, it heats up like a *****... I have seen my phone temperature reaching > 45 degrees... Man, it feels like a burning charcoal... I am just wondering if one will actually end up blowing up his/her phone just cuz of OC'd phone.
I actually keep mine underclocked...
Cheers!!!
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A few things to consider.
May be the kernel you are using is not meant to work with CM7 Beta.
May be you are following the steps but the guide itself is broken.
May be you are trying to OC your phone to 1.5 GHz but the script is broken.
You said you are running Faux's kernel, well that kernel is only taking your phone to 1.1 GHz, how and why do you expect your phone to magically OC itself to 1.5?
Just 2 cents : I agree with CaelanT, this phone is a Monster itself. When you OC your phone to 1.1, it just bloody flies... Whats the need to OC it all the way to 1.5? Also, while OC'd, it heats up like a *****... I have seen my phone temperature reaching > 45 degrees... Man, it feels like a burning charcoal... I am just wondering if one will actually end up blowing up his/her phone just cuz of OC'd phone.
I actually keep mine underclocked...
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Hi,
If there is a limit on clock frequencies, in my experience that implies a multiplier register needs to be changed. But a 50% overclock is rather ambitious, 10% is probably the safest range.
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NFHimself said:
Hi,
If there is a limit on clock frequencies, in my experience that implies a multiplier register needs to be changed. But a 50% overclock is rather ambitious, 10% is probably the safest range.
Cheers!
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Excessively overclocking mobile devices - is an incredibly stupid idea,... unless you have no problem getting a hardbrick one day.
Try overclocking your desktop PC up to 50% without additional cooling and let us know how it goes. Phones have NO cooling, they weren't meant to be overclocked that much.
Besides our current Tegra 2 setup has enough performance for everything available on Android at this moment.
If anything is lagging for you, that's because:
1. Motorola released crappy laggy motoblur
2. some app developer released crappy laggy app
Why does overclocking always turn into a penis measuring contest?
Focus on software optimisation, not on more raw performance to make up for crappy code.
ok thank you everyone I'll stick with kernel faux123
xploited said:
Excessively overclocking mobile devices - is an incredibly stupid idea,... unless you have no problem getting a hardbrick one day.
Try overclocking your desktop PC up to 50% without additional cooling and let us know how it goes. Phones have NO cooling, they weren't meant to be overclocked that much.
Besides our current Tegra 2 setup has enough performance for everything available on Android at this moment.
If anything is lagging for you, that's because:
1. Motorola released crappy laggy motoblur
2. some app developer released crappy laggy app
Why does overclocking always turn into a penis measuring contest?
Focus on software optimisation, not on more raw performance to make up for crappy code.
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Hi,
The internet has heard your complaint and will adjust itself accordingly. Lol
Cheers!
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Faux just tweeted ATRIX can be overclocked to 1.3 http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=1873
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I just overclocked my sgs 2 to 1.6ghz so I'm sure the Atrix will get there soon.
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I would like to see 1.5ghz too. hopefully our chipset can handle that
When I look in system info in quadrant after running full bench it only shows 1 core but when I reboot or end application and relaunch it recognizes both cores.
belig1234 said:
My phone is running on CM7 Beta 3 and I want to overclock it to 1.5 Ghz I followed the inscructions here http://bugbig.com/how-to-overclock-motorola-atrix-4g-to-1-5-ghz
and when I typed on the emulator : ''insmod olympus_overclock.ko'' it was written : insmod: init_module 'olympus_overclock.ko' failed (exec format error)
I'm running on Faux's kernel (faux123) so what can I do to overclock my phone to 1.5 Ghz ?
Thank you in advance
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That module doesnt work, please check 0.1.8 from faux, everybody is having bootloops, but im loving to have 1.3ghz OC ^^
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ChongoDroid said:
I just overclocked my sgs 2 to 1.6ghz so I'm sure the Atrix will get there soon.
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SGS2 starts out with dual core 1.2GHz, so technically you haven't reached a .5GHz OC there. Even if you did, comparing the SGS2 to the Atrix is apples to oranges.
The problem with the Atrix is not only whether the hardware will OC to 1.5GHz. Heat is the biggest problem, and with very high temps on a 1.1GHz OC under load I doubt as I mentioned before we will ever reach 1.5GHz.
I don't know what temps the SGS2 processor gets to, so I can't comment on that.
1.1/1.2 GHz is quite fast enough for me, and as someone else said, it just turns into an epeen war, with no actual rhyme or reason for wanting to OC so high other than to see if it is possible, which is all good and well.
I can OC my PC way higher than it currently is, but I choose a conservative approach because I do not want to fry any components, have graphical artifacts, etc. Same goes for my phone. I want stability and to not have to wave it around in the air to manually actively cool it!
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SGS2 starts out with dual core 1.2GHz, so technically you haven't reached a .5GHz OC there. Even if you did, comparing the SGS2 to the Atrix is apples to oranges.
The problem with the Atrix is not only whether the hardware will OC to 1.5GHz. Heat is the biggest problem, and with very high temps on a 1.1GHz OC under load I doubt as I mentioned before we will ever reach 1.5GHz.
I don't know what temps the SGS2 processor gets to, so I can't comment on that.
1.1/1.2 GHz is quite fast enough for me, and as someone else said, it just turns into an epeen war, with no actual rhyme or reason for wanting to OC so high other than to see if it is possible, which is all good and well.
I can OC my PC way higher than it currently is, but I choose a conservative approach because I do not want to fry any components, have graphical artifacts, etc. Same goes for my phone. I want stability and to not have to wave it around in the air to manually actively cool it!
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hahahaha well said! but how is comparing the 2 apples to oranges??? aren't they almost identical
Hi im thinking of doing a overclock to 1.5 ghz is it safe for the processor and the battery life witch already sucks. has anyone on here whos done it using setcpu and the rom had any problems after doing so ? and how much faster is 1.5 ghz compared to 1.2 ghz on the galaxy s2 ? and is it safe in general for the hardware of the phone will the phone get hotter or have over heating problems ? also what should my settings be for minimum maximum and the voltages ?
Of course oc is going to make ur battery life a lot worse.
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I haven' used Setcpu in a while but I believe it's got a feature to stress test the settings to see if it can handle it. Generally the worst that happens is it'll crash. So long as it doesn't get hot. Heat=death for electronics :')
I'm using tegrak (from market) to overclock to 1.4. I found 1.5 was too unstable. Noticeable difference between 1.2 & 1.4 is almost none. Also voltage increase of 50mv was needed to gain stability. There is not much point of overclocking the device IMO unless like me u just get some satisfaction out of knowing its running faster!
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I'm using tegrak (from market) to overclock to 1.4. I found 1.5 was too unstable. Noticeable difference between 1.2 & 1.4 is almost none. Also voltage increase of 50mv was needed to gain stability. There is not much point of overclocking the device IMO unless like me u just get some satisfaction out of knowing its running faster!
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This is true. I see no difference between 1.2 & 1.5ghz. But that doesn't keep me from running it at 1.5 when I'm playing a game anyway :'D
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Hi im thinking of doing a overclock to 1.5 ghz is it safe for the processor and the battery life witch already sucks. has anyone on here whos done it using setcpu and the rom had any problems after doing so ? and how much faster is 1.5 ghz compared to 1.2 ghz on the galaxy s2 ? and is it safe in general for the hardware of the phone will the phone get hotter or have over heating problems ? also what should my settings be for minimum maximum and the voltages ?
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Well it's not safe, that I can say. Nothing is safe when you don't know what other things are changing with the clock rate. But still you could do that. You just have to make sure that the temperature is within limit, it will be definitely high, but make sure it's not that high.
And upping the clock rate to 1.5 GHz won't drain any extra battery than 1.2 GHz.
Regards.
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Hi im thinking of doing a overclock to 1.5 ghz is it safe for the processor and the battery life witch already sucks. has anyone on here whos done it using setcpu and the rom had any problems after doing so ? and how much faster is 1.5 ghz compared to 1.2 ghz on the galaxy s2 ? and is it safe in general for the hardware of the phone will the phone get hotter or have over heating problems ? also what should my settings be for minimum maximum and the voltages ?
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I tried the overclocking and each phone is different, increase then test, there are many benchmarking apps out there, I was stable at 1.4, my kernel does not include 1.5 GHz, and irregardless of what people may say, running the phone at higher clock speeds consistently DOES drain the battery more than 1.2GHz, unless you have found a way to manipulate the laws of physics. I don't see how one can fathom the thought that you can get a faster CPU at absolutely no cost.
Many people think when the CPU running faster means you complete tasks faster, hence 1.5 would complete a task faster than 1.2 and hence save battery, but I believe we use this phone as more than a calculator, so when you are performing a task that causes the CPU to run at 1.5 for a period of time e.g playing a game, browsing or whatever you do with your phone, then the CPU has to draw more power to keep the frequency at 1.5 as compared to the CPU running at 1.2
All in all, I dialed back because I was doing fine without it and I did not need it, other people may need it, and I wasn't gaining anything. to answer your question directly, it all depends on what you do with your phone, I'm not a huge gamer or anything and the 1.2GHz has proven to be more than enough for me to have a very pleasant experience using this device
Using it occasionally is safe, unless you stress your mobile at 1.5+ ghz for more than an hour or so.
The cpu governor will only make use of higher frequencies when there is a need, so mostly you will see your mobile idling at 200 mhz.
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Of course oc is going to make ur battery life a lot worse.
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Not necessarily a lot worse. It depends on how you are using your phone, and what is causing it to run fast. If overclocking allows the phone to spend longer in deep sleep state, your battery will win. If its games, and by OC you achieve a higher frame rate, then the phone is doing more work, and this will be reflected in the battery life going down.
Most of the time, screen on is going to dominate. If you are a low screen-on user, I guess there is more chance for a higher max_cpu to be beneficial (it won't be used unless there is a task that requires it). More accurately, it helps some of the time, so the net result is not always obvious to predict.
How about undervolting?
Any danger in doing so- other than crashing when voltage is too low?
Before over clocking it might be worth downloading cpuspy from the market and seeing what time you spend in each speed.
Chances are most of the time you won't even hit 1.2 so might not have anything to gain by over clocking.
Then again I dont know how you use your device but I do know I was surprised when I found out.
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I've played with the SuperSonic version of this phone (which has a 1.5Ghz core) and the results from photos/video are much better, I'm pretty sure the cameras are exactly the same but the SuperSonic benefits from the higher CPU.
I think it would be cool if somebody could write an app that states
IF user opens Camera application voltage + clock speed is increased to allow stable 1.5GHz speed
WHEN user closes camera application overclock turns off.
Thoughts?
You have a smartphone! Not a pc!
I didnt see any advantage if you oc to 1.5
Btw In normal use your phone keep in 200mhz not 1.2.
I think i only hit 1.2 two or 3 times for 3 seconds in a full battery cycle.
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oc dosnt make sense ,there no noticeable diff,an yes very few times i hit 1.2 mostly its on 800 or few times on 1000....using a device with 1.5ghz proccesor an oc a device to 1.5 ghz which has 1ghz processor is very diff in nature....
Fair enough.
Well I wouldn't mind an app that mazes out at 1.2GHz with camera app open, as it can lag when shooting HD.
oc upto 1.4 ghz is fair enough, anything more than that is a waste. though you cant find any visible difference between 1,1.2 and 1.4 it does helps in maintaining smoothness on some situations.
yes very true i had oc my sgs1 at 1.2ghz and sgs2 at 1.4ghz but frankly i dint see the diff so after few days use i turnd to orignal settings....but many use oc an phone works fine,but depends on personel use......an yes as bala_gammer says its fine on 1.4ghz......cheeeerz
is overclocking galaxy s2 to 1.3gh safe
HEY pople and friends i want to overclock my samsung galaxy s2 to 1.3gh soo is it safe ??????.
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HEY pople and friends i want to overclock my samsung galaxy s2 to 1.3gh soo is it safe ??????.
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hey mate
u really think 100mhz would make that much change? its safe btw... seen people running s2 at clock speed higher than 1.3ghz
Plz help @..Longtime hd gaming(gta sa,nfs mw , asphalt,modern combat...) using 1.4 ghz is safe?
I also noted that gameloft games are makes more over heat for phone..
Which is the best and safe voltage level for 1.4 ghz 1250mv or 1275mv or 1300mv
Iam using siyah v6.0b5 kernel with wizzedkat 3.1..
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Well u do not see much difference on daily usage due to oc..but it does give a smoother experience while playing high quality games
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Hi all,
I'm pretty new to this forum and since the time i joined I was addicted to tamper with my phone to tune it up to my likings. Now that im done rooting,unlocking and flashing I got my phone running at 1.6ghz on stock gingerbread 2.3.4 (I tried ICS but i liked GB better).
Now my question is: How safe am I when I leave my cpu speed at 1.6ghz for daily use? It gets a bit warmer than stock when playing games, but I don't know the max safe temp and I don't know how i can check the temps using software. I can only check the battery temp. I assume this can't be related to the cpu temp?
For information: It boots up just below 30°C (86°F) and I have never seen it go over 40°C (104°F) when using heavy apps.
I don't have a clue weather i'm pretty safe or if i'm starting to dig a grave for my neo V. Can someone assist me further?
Thanks on advantage
Michielwashier said:
Hi all,
I'm pretty new to this forum and since the time i joined I was addicted to tamper with my phone to tune it up to my likings. Now that im done rooting,unlocking and flashing I got my phone running at 1.6ghz on stock gingerbread 2.3.4 (I tried ICS but i liked GB better).
Now my question is: How safe am I when I leave my cpu speed at 1.6ghz for daily use? It gets a bit warmer than stock when playing games, but I don't know the max safe temp and I don't know how i can check the temps using software. I can only check the battery temp. I assume this can't be related to the cpu temp?
For information: It boots up just below 30°C (86°F) and I have never seen it go over 40°C (104°F) when using heavy apps.
I don't have a clue weather i'm pretty safe or if i'm starting to dig a grave for my neo V. Can someone assist me further?
Thanks on advantage
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its not safe to regularly overclock... the best way to monitor as you say is when the processor is in use... it becomes hot and because you OC - it becomes more hot...
use it like this if you want to cause some injury to your phone or someone or yourself
bombayboy said:
its not safe to regularly overclock... the best way to monitor as you say is when the processor is in use... it becomes hot and because you OC - it becomes more hot...
use it like this if you want to cause some injury to your phone or someone or yourself
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I know with overclocking is always a risk involved. But are u saying that 1.6ghz is way out of bound to be pretty safe for daily use? I also know that it's best to monitor when the cpu is fully utilised. But the thing is I don't know how to monitor the exact temps of my cpu and don't know how hot it is allowed to get without taking any damage.
Look, Xperia Arc S has exactly the same CPU like Xperia Neo (V) but is running @ 1,4 Ghz. In other words it's an oc by Sony!!
1,6 Ghz. Test it a while and report back.
I'm running my Neo V @ 1,4 Ghz when gaming and 0,8 Ghz for normal apps to save battery.
Good luck.
ps: on youtube u ll find videos running the neo v @ 1,9 Ghz working properly.
Michielwashier said:
Hi all,
I'm pretty new to this forum and since the time i joined I was addicted to tamper with my phone to tune it up to my likings. Now that im done rooting,unlocking and flashing I got my phone running at 1.6ghz on stock gingerbread 2.3.4 (I tried ICS but i liked GB better).
Now my question is: How safe am I when I leave my cpu speed at 1.6ghz for daily use? It gets a bit warmer than stock when playing games, but I don't know the max safe temp and I don't know how i can check the temps using software. I can only check the battery temp. I assume this can't be related to the cpu temp?
For information: It boots up just below 30°C (86°F) and I have never seen it go over 40°C (104°F) when using heavy apps.
I don't have a clue weather i'm pretty safe or if i'm starting to dig a grave for my neo V. Can someone assist me further?
Thanks on advantage
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Increasing a frequency of a processor based on it's hardware specs sheet by ARM whether it would be done by a user or the device manufacturer is still like digging a grave for you're device. It's just a matter of whether you're digging the grave with a shovel or with a teaspoon.
Overclocking above 25-30% of the stock clock speed will significantly reduce the processor's life...the safest value is 1200-1300mghz...and the fact that Xperia arcS shares exactly the same processor is not true...it is overclocked by OEM...they do this in a different way so as to be on the safer side...you can go up to 1.4ghz...but that too is not safe...and speeds above 1.6 are just for those who treat their device as a use and throw item.
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unisol107 said:
Overclocking above 25-30% of the stock clock speed will significantly reduce the processor's life...the safest value is 1200-1300mghz...and the fact that Xperia arcS shares exactly the same processor is not true...it is overclocked by OEM...they do this in a different way so as to be on the safer side...you can go up to 1.4ghz...but that too is not safe...and speeds above 1.6 are just for those who treat their device as a use and throw item.
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I oppose some of these. There's no other such thing as "it is overclocked by OEM"
1. ARM/Snapdragon doesn't quite give a full open source detail on their architecture to create different ways to mod their hardware.
2. Clocking part is handled by the kernel itself. By overclocking it you just add new and higher values and not actually modify the whole clock routine it does. I don't know the real reason why they clocked Arc S higher than other devices but only reason I could think of is "because it's flagship" I have already looked up the blueprint of our processors and well the default clock is actually 1.4ghz so 1.02ghz is still underclocked for us.
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http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a8255t&c=qualcomm_snapdragon_msm8255t
Clock Frequencies
Recommended Maximum Clock Frequency: 1500 MHz
Technology
Semiconductor Technology: CMOS
Minimum Feature Size: 45 nm
Contacts: 904 pins
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Looks like the Arc S and other 2011 Processors are different :/ noticed the letter T on the end of their names. The one without T is indeed only 1000ghz. And out has 1 version lower on the gps module too.
Riyal said:
I oppose some of these. There's no other such thing as "it is overclocked by OEM"
1. ARM/Snapdragon doesn't quite give a full open source detail on their architecture to create different ways to mod their hardware.
2. Clocking part is handled by the kernel itself. By overclocking it you just add new and higher values and not actually modify the whole clock routine it does. I don't know the real reason why they clocked Arc S higher than other devices but only reason I could think of is "because it's flagship" I have already looked up the blueprint of our processors and well the default clock is actually 1.4ghz so 1.02ghz is still underclocked for us.
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http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a8255t&c=qualcomm_snapdragon_msm8255t
Clock Frequencies
Recommended Maximum Clock Frequency: 1500 MHz
Technology
Semiconductor Technology: CMOS
Minimum Feature Size: 45 nm
Contacts: 904 pins
Another edit.
Looks like the Arc S and other 2011 Processors are different :/ noticed the letter T on the end of their names. The one without T is indeed only 1000ghz. And out has 1 version lower on the gps module too.
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well thanks for that useful info mate...i dont have that much knowledge about cpu architecture...my views are fundamental...and yess...i know about that "t" in arc s cpu spec...thats why said it is different...now wheather it is overclocked by sony or by qualcomm themselves is not clear to me...and also wheather it has the same architecture ...i am just saying overclocking above a certain permissible value is not good.
like you just said...the processor in neoV is just 1000mghz...so it wont do any good if it is pushed beyond the limits.
unisol107 said:
well thanks for that useful info mate...i dont have that much knowledge about cpu architecture...my views are fundamental...and yess...i know about that "t" in arc s cpu spec...thats why said it is different...now wheather it is overclocked by sony or by qualcomm themselves is not clear to me...and also wheather it has the same architecture ...i am just saying overclocking above a certain permissible value is not good.
like you just said...the processor in neoV is just 1000mghz...so it wont do any good if it is pushed beyond the limits.
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Yup and all is clear to me now Arc S and other 2011 devices have different types of CPU arch. Wonder how did this "all 2011 devices have the same CPU" gone wild.
I did some searching on this matter, nobody knows for sure weather the CPU of the arc S is exactly the same architecture but factory overclocked or if it's a different architecture and therby safe to use at 1.4ghz unlike the neo v cpu. I would really like to know an answer to this.
The Xperia Arc S is using the same processor as lower clocked devices, but it's a higher binned part. This means that I can reach higher clock speeds while consuming less power compared to a lower binned processors. The same thing happens with PC processors.
Michielwashier said:
I did some searching on this matter, nobody knows for sure weather the CPU of the arc S is exactly the same architecture but factory overclocked or if it's a different architecture and therby safe to use at 1.4ghz unlike the neo v cpu. I would really like to know an answer to this.
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After some research, I did find the spec sheet sans MSM8255T (arc S) but can confirm that it is not over clocked. What's surprised me is the official CPU for MSM8255 (neo V) has a range of 1-1.4 GHz & camera upto 12 MP. So, it would be safe to OC upto 1.4 GHz
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bombayboy said:
After some research, I did find the spec sheet sans MSM8255T (arc S) but can confirm that it is not over clocked. What's surprised me is the official CPU for MSM8255 (neo V) has a range of 1-1.4 GHz & camera upto 12 MP. So, it would be safe to OC upto 1.4 GHz
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I trust you buddy but plz can you give the source?
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Qualcomm
unisol107 said:
I trust you buddy but plz can you give the source?
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Sure. The official site of Qualcomm. It's on my office desktop. Will share a link later. A pdf.
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there you go,
http://www.qualcomm.com/sites/default/files/common/snapdragon-specs-06.07.12.pdf
under S2 - MSM8255
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bombayboy said:
Sure. The official site of Qualcomm. It's on my office desktop. Will share a link later. A pdf.
Edit:
there you go,
http://www.qualcomm.com/sites/default/files/common/snapdragon-specs-06.07.12.pdf
under S2 - MSM8255
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This is very interesting information! Thank you
Michielwashier said:
This is very interesting information! Thank you
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You are welcome
Still it would be safe to stay @ our capped frequency. It is all synced with other parts on the board. Use it & then remember to slide it down to 1GHz
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Hey guys
I ran some benchmarks and it blew everything out of the water
So I decided to look into my phones specs and it says its running at 2150mhz not the 2260mhz I thought it was
Not a massive difference but that 110mhz extra could come in handy
J
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JackHanAnLG said:
Hey guys
I ran some benchmarks and it blew everything out of the water
So I decided to look into my phones specs and it says its running at 2150mhz not the 2260mhz I thought it was
Not a massive difference but that 110mhz extra could come in handy
J
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Sony advertises it as 2.2GHz, so they are rounding up from 2.15GHz. This is the lower bin of the Qualcomm 8274.
2260Mhz is the higher specced Snapdragon 800. The standard one is 2150 which ZU uses. But still it proves that Software optimization will bring the best from your CPU, unlike G2 which uses the 2.3Ghz one but still scores lower than should be.
hansip87 said:
2260Mhz is the higher specced Snapdragon 800. The standard one is 2150 which ZU uses. But still it proves that Software optimization will bring the best from your CPU, unlike G2 which uses the 2.3Ghz one but still scores lower than should be.
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REAVER117 said:
Sony advertises it as 2.2GHz, so they are rounding up from 2.15GHz. This is the lower bin of the Qualcomm 8274.
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I think we need to get some custom kernels and whack this baby up a bit
The cpu is good @ stock but i'd like to oc the GPU a bit since i'm using MSAA X4 in most of my games .
Imagine how cool it would've been if we had modular phones right now. "Meh, it can do better in Antutu, so i'll swap out the GPU this weekend". This is the dream, boys!
JackHanAnLG said:
Hey guys
I ran some benchmarks and it blew everything out of the water
So I decided to look into my phones specs and it says its running at 2150mhz not the 2260mhz I thought it was
Not a massive difference but that 110mhz extra could come in handy
J
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I guarantee you it doesn't matter, really. You literally wouldn't notice. There get to be limits. Like I suspect, now that Android is running on Intel that Android on a Core i3 wouldn't feel THAT much faster than a Snapdragon 800. Stuff like ART is going to make a bigger difference and the architecture of the platform going forward. Additionally, most stuff isn't terribly multithreaded (which kinda detracts from your point -- clock speed which is applicable in single-threaded tasks, but I digress)
They clock based on battery and thermal design limits. I guarantee you some people much smarter than you/me/us put a ton of time and effort into making sure everything works correctly. Sony did this for a reason and it wasn't to screw you.
Tie getting higher scores then me.
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brashmadcap said:
I guarantee you it doesn't matter, really. You literally wouldn't notice. There get to be limits. Like I suspect, now that Android is running on Intel that Android on a Core i3 wouldn't feel THAT much faster than a Snapdragon 800. Stuff like ART is going to make a bigger difference and the architecture of the platform going forward. Additionally, most stuff isn't terribly multithreaded (which kinda detracts from your point -- clock speed which is applicable in single-threaded tasks, but I digress)
They clock based on battery and thermal design limits. I guarantee you some people much smarter than you/me/us put a ton of time and effort into making sure everything works correctly. Sony did this for a reason and it wasn't to screw you.
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I agree, you dont need anymore then 1.5ghz as it is
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